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Black Hair Styles "extreme" In Corporate America?  
User currently offlineTsaord From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 6021 times:

A friend of mine told me he went to a job interview and he told me the "white" interviewer told him that his dreads are considered an Extreme Hairstyle. My question is why? Dreads, Braids, and Locks can be kept nice and neat for the work place and all African Americans don't go to work with bogus hair styles. I've seen some other hairstyles thats considered extreme! Like those punkers with blue, read, and pink hair! So why are Dreads, Locks, and Braids considered to some an extreme hairstyle when its apart of our culture?

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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20822 posts, RR: 62
Reply 1, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 6021 times:

Quoting Tsaord (Thread starter):
I've seen some other hairstyles thats considered extreme! Like those punkers with blue, read, and pink hair!

Were they working at the company where your friend applied?



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User currently offlineTsaord From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 5998 times:

No but I have seen them in other places or past jobs I have had. This isnt the first time I've heard of a black male/female being told their Locks/Braids/Dreads would to be changed to be considered for employment, or some asked to change their hair style. I could understand if their hair was down right BAD. But many people who have those type of hairstyles can keep them up, nice, neat, and well looking so why would some people's in some cases "natural hairstyle" be considered extreme?

User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20822 posts, RR: 62
Reply 3, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 5995 times:

Quoting Tsaord (Reply 2):
No but I have seen them in other places or past jobs I have had.

Then you're judging one company by the standards of another. Doesn't work that way.



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User currently offlineBill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8467 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 5983 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 3):
Then you're judging one company by the standards of another. Doesn't work that way.

It's probably the opinion of one person more then an entire company. I work in a pretty conservitive place and if someone had dredlocks, particularly if it was a cultural thing, wouldn't be considered extreme. Whilst being conservitive, diversity is encouraged.


User currently offlineFlyingTexan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 5949 times:

Black people are not accepted in many corporate American environments – contrary to the ‘we do not discriminate’ line of horseshit they feed you.

It’s a bigoted racial and cultural bias. Unfortunately. This is far more prominent in some regions of the US than others. And society can try and legislate it all they want, but you can’t legislate the stupidly out of some people.


User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 5935 times:

Quoting Tsaord (Thread starter):
A friend of mine told me he went to a job interview and he told me the "white" interviewer told him that his dreads are considered an Extreme Hairstyle. My question is why?

Because they are ugly, and some customers are likely not to appreciate being served by someone with hair that looks filthy.

Quoting Tsaord (Thread starter):
I've seen some other hairstyles thats considered extreme! Like those punkers with blue, read, and pink hair! So why are Dreads, Locks, and Braids considered to some an extreme hairstyle when its apart of our culture?

I wouldn't hire them either.

Quoting FlyingTexan (Reply 5):
Black people are not accepted in many corporate American environments – contrary to the ‘we do not discriminate’ line of horseshit they feed you.

Why are you bringing race into this? Are you a hatemonger?


User currently offlineJetsGo From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 3086 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 5926 times:

Quoting FlyingTexan (Reply 5):
Black people are not accepted in many corporate American environments – contrary to the ‘we do not discriminate’ line of horseshit they feed you.

BS. It's people like you who continue to set us back with statements like that. Many companies would love none other than to employ a high ranking African American to use as positive PR.


Chris

[Edited 2006-08-21 04:32:58]


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User currently offline767Lover From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 5919 times:

Quoting Tsaord (Thread starter):
A friend of mine told me he went to a job interview and he told me the "white" interviewer told him that his dreads are considered an Extreme Hairstyle.

No offense, but I highly doubt this happened. There are so many "rules" about what can and cannot be said or asked during interviews that it is highly unlikely any legitimate interviewer said any such thing.


User currently offlineFlyingTexan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 5915 times:

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 6):
Why are you bringing race into this?

Replying to the topic – a topic which has to do with race.

Quoting Tsaord (Thread starter):
Black Hair Styles "extreme" In Corporate America?



Quoting Tsaord (Thread starter):
the "white" interviewer



Quoting Tsaord (Thread starter):
African Americans

See - the three mentions of race; one in the thread topic and two in the thread starter.

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 6):
Are you a hatemonger?

No, however -

Quoting FlyingTexan (Reply 5):
Unfortunately.



Quoting FlyingTexan (Reply 5):
many corporate American environments

Are.

And I'm against that.


User currently offlineBaylorAirBear From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 2913 posts, RR: 49
Reply 10, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 5915 times:

In my opinion, dreadlocks and braids are a hygiene issue because they can not be thoroughly washed regularly. Cleaning them does not go beyond a rinse. Then, the wearer gets dandruff and odor.

BAB  yuck 



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User currently offlineFlyingTexan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 5904 times:

Quoting JetsGo (Reply 7):
BS. It's people like you who continue to set us back with statements like that.

No.  redflag 

Its companies who discriminate that set anyone back.


User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 5898 times:

Quoting FlyingTexan (Reply 9):
Quoting Tsaord (Thread starter):
Black Hair Styles "extreme" In Corporate America?



Quoting Tsaord (Thread starter):
the "white" interviewer



Quoting Tsaord (Thread starter):
African Americans

Sounds like Tsaord is injecting Race into the issue where it has no business. Like BaylorAirBear said:

Quoting BaylorAirBear (Reply 10):
In my opinion, dreadlocks and braids are a hygiene issue because they can not be thoroughly washed regularly. Cleaning them does not go beyond a rinse. Then, the wearer gets dandruff and odor.

Race has nothing to do with it. It has to do with customers and collegues having to deal with a guy who looks like he treats his hair with earwax and never properly washes it.

Quoting FlyingTexan (Reply 9):
Are.

And I'm against that.

Support that statement. I'm not saying you are wrong, but it is a cheapshot to throw such an accusation out their without support.


User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 5894 times:

Quoting 767Lover (Reply 8):
No offense, but I highly doubt this happened. There are so many "rules" about what can and cannot be said or asked during interviews that it is highly unlikely any legitimate interviewer said any such thing.

Pardon me, but it's quite believeable. And it is something that occurs quite often. In fact, it occurs in my Department. In the APD. In the AST.

In fact, the dress standards for my Department specifically forbid dreadlocks beyond a certain length; hair of an unnatural color - be that orange, pink, blue, whatever; tatoos that are off color, etc.; fingernails that are too long and might interfere with the operation of a weapon (and have similar color as the unauthorized hair).

It's not discrimination - rather a standard of appearance an employer wants for his/her company. If the standard applies all around - no problem.

You wanna work for them, here's the standards for appearance. It's your call.

It's about presenting a professional image.

As for the dreadlocks - that isn't strictly an African American issue . . . how many non-African Americans have you seen with them? Plenty.


User currently offlineHalls120 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 5892 times:

Quoting 767Lover (Reply 8):
Quoting Tsaord (Thread starter):A friend of mine told me he went to a job interview and he told me the "white" interviewer told him that his dreads are considered an Extreme Hairstyle.
No offense, but I highly doubt this happened. There are so many "rules" about what can and cannot be said or asked during interviews that it is highly unlikely any legitimate interviewer said any such thing.

I suspect someone is embellishing a story they've heard to provoke discussion. In the federal government, those of us that hire are are routinely provided training on what you can and can't say at a job interview.

Quoting BaylorAirBear (Reply 10):
In my opinion, dreadlocks and braids are a hygiene issue because they can not be thoroughly washed regularly. Cleaning them does not go beyond a rinse. Then, the wearer gets dandruff and odor.

Any hairstyle that is "different" or "unique" is going to create controversy, regardless of the race of the wearer. As CFalk notes, someone wearing dreads are going to have problems getting hired, just like someone with a "punk" or "goth" hairstyle. Like it or not, there is a "uniform" one wears to a job interview, and it includes grooming standards.


User currently offlineTsaord From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 5840 times:

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 6):
Because they are ugly, and some customers are likely not to appreciate being served by someone with hair that looks filthy.

Well thank you for your honest opinion. Like I stated above. There are a lot of African Americans who can keep their hair style neat and not FILTHY as you put it. I wonder how they get along in Jamaica.

As time passes things stay the same.

[Edited 2006-08-21 07:07:33]

User currently offlineTsaord From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 5834 times:

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 6):
Why are you bringing race into this? Are you a hatemonger?

#1 Race matters in the U.S. So much that if you are Biracial you can only represent one of your "self" on an application for almost anything.

#2 Race matters because how many Caucasions wear that hair style?


User currently offlineAlberchico From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 2960 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 5827 times:

Quoting Tsaord (Thread starter):
A friend of mine told me he went to a job interview and he told me the "white" interviewer told him that his dreads are considered an Extreme Hairstyle.

You just realized that now??? Even in high schools some principals are picky about those kinds of hairstyles..



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User currently offlineTsaord From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 5813 times:

I knew some people were weary of those types of hair styles for whatever dumb reasons. But I don't understand how can you say thats its an extreme hair style particularly when a certain race/group of people wear them and some for Religious reasons who keep them nice and neat? I can see if the person just has them all over their head. But just like a person with a brushed fade can look nice and neat, it can look "extreme" if he walks out the house and not brush his hair.

There is nothing "filthy" about this womans hair


Compared to this guys hair


[Edited 2006-08-21 07:26:07]

User currently offlineSoku39 From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 1797 posts, RR: 9
Reply 19, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 5805 times:

CFalk you've lost some respect from after saying all that. Dreads can be kept neat and clean smelling quite easily (I know, my brother has them)

I'm in full agreement with FlyingTexan's view of "keeping us back", there is no reason for any of us blacks to be keeping the wool over our eyes regarding hiring practice in corporate america and everywhere else, to do so is a mistake.

Quoting JetsGo (Reply 7):
BS. It's people like you who continue to set us back with statements like that. Many companies would love none other than to employ a high ranking African American to use as positive PR.

To me that simply black people to you are simply puppets for good PR, that they might not be getting hired because of their skills, but for PR. I hope you might see my problem with your thinking there.

Quoting 767Lover (Reply 8):
No offense, but I highly doubt this happened. There are so many "rules" about what can and cannot be said or asked during interviews that it is highly unlikely any legitimate interviewer said any such thing.

Pal, you better believe they can (and do). Also I'd like to point out as the story was quoted, he was told, not asked.

Quoting BaylorAirBear (Reply 10):
In my opinion, dreadlocks and braids are a hygiene issue because they can not be thoroughly washed regularly. Cleaning them does not go beyond a rinse. Then, the wearer gets dandruff and odor.

Absolutely untrue, my brother simply washes them after every soccer practice. He twists up the loose ends after he gets out of the shower, and yes he does this every day, black people do shower every day believe it or not... (I know I'm takin' it to an extreme, but c'mon what a lame argument ya had there).

[Edited 2006-08-21 07:37:16]

[Edited 2006-08-21 07:38:55]


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User currently offlineBaylorAirBear From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 2913 posts, RR: 49
Reply 20, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 5789 times:

Quoting Soku39 (Reply 19):

Absolutely untrue, my brother simply washes them after every soccer practice. He twists up the loose ends after he gets out of the shower, and yes he does this every day, black people do shower every day believe it or not... (I know I'm takin' it to an extreme, but c'mon what a lame argument ya had there).

That's good that your brother takes pride in his appearance. While I stand by my original statement, I will say that it applies more to braids, also known as corn rows. The only way to properly wash braided hair is to remove said braids. Every person that I have ever asked, and I have asked, say they simply rinse the surface of their hair to avoid the time prohibitive process of rebraiding their hair after every shower, which can take hours and usually requires a hairdresser. That goes for whites, blacks, hispanics, and smurfs.

BAB



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User currently offlineDeltaGator From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 6341 posts, RR: 13
Reply 21, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 5749 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 13):
As for the dreadlocks - that isn't strictly an African American issue . . . how many non-African Americans have you seen with them? Plenty.

Those would be the TrustFundarians and on white folks dreadlocks just looks ridiculous.



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User currently offline767Lover From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 5715 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 13):
Pardon me, but it's quite believeable. And it is something that occurs quite often. In fact, it occurs in my Department. In the APD.

Your Department is not the same as Corporate America.

__________________

http://www.eeoc.gov/policy/docs/race-color.html#VA1

See section on Racial Disparate Impact.

[Edited 2006-08-21 13:13:51]

User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 5699 times:

Quoting Tsaord (Reply 15):
Well thank you for your honest opinion. Like I stated above. There are a lot of African Americans who can keep their hair style neat and not FILTHY as you put it.

I absolutely agree. But not in dreadlocks or braids, without completely combing them out. You might get the surface clean, but the oils building up inside those dreads are probably enough to lube your car.

Quoting Tsaord (Reply 16):
#2 Race matters because how many Caucasions wear that hair style?

I've seen a lot of high school and college-age white kids with them. Looks even more dumb.

Quoting Soku39 (Reply 19):
CFalk you've lost some respect from after saying all that. Dreads can be kept neat and clean smelling quite easily (I know, my brother has them)

Perhaps you are right, but I just don't see how it is physically possible.

And remember folks, it's all about impressions. If an employer needs to hire someone who has to deal with clients, he has the right and the obligation to hire only people whose appearance and presentation will offend the least number of people.

Plain, simple fact: If you want a good job, get a haircut, dress conservatively, and speak properly with correct grammer.

If you want to work in a place where they don't mind Jamaican clothing and hairstyles? I suggest moving to Jamaica.


User currently offlineHalls120 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (8 years 4 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 5690 times:

Quoting Soku39 (Reply 19):
Dreads can be kept neat and clean smelling quite easily (I know, my brother has them)

Yes, they can. But one of the attributes of dreads is their low maintenance. One of the paralegals that work in my office told me that one of the reasons she switched to dreads is that she got tired of getting up every morning and having to "fix" her hair.


25 Post contains images Migfan : Have any idea what it takes to get your hair looking like that? My college roommate had them, and they stunk! It wasn't just him, it was the dreads.
26 Post contains images Cfalk : You got me!
27 Jaysit : At my very blue chip law firm, we have some African American attorneys and secretaries sporting braids, and we even have one partner sporting dreads.
28 Post contains images Migfan : No offense intended.
29 Post contains links FLY777UAL : I clicked on this just to see what it was about. Unfortunately, I don't know how to do a screen capture and post what I am seeing because it was quite
30 N1120A : Your mind is narrower than a lane on the 110 There is a reason those oils are called "essential oils". In fact, I worked with a guy who had long hair
31 SlamClick : Assuming you mean "a part" (two words) meaning a component of, and not "apart" meaning separate from... Whose culture do you claim dreadlocks to be p
32 Daedaeg : CFalk, I find it interesting that whenever there is a discussion about black folk, your name shows up. Based on your comments in this discussion and p
33 DeltaDC9 : Here is the thing, I have worked at or for dozens of Fortune 500 companies, and I have found that when you interview, they expect you to commit compl
34 QR332 : Personally, I think that dreadlocks can look professional if they are worn the right way, but at the same time, I don't see it as discrimination again
35 SlamClick : I helped work the booth for a friend's company at a FAPA job fair once. There were airline booths there and two majors were actively recruiting pilot
36 Post contains images Cfalk : Well, I'd tell him to take his "essential oils" and get outta here. And how about sweat, dirt, polution and everything else that gets in your hair on
37 N1120A : The whole point is that the oils natually "wash" his hair. Afterall, the whole point of shampoo is to mimic the oils in your hair as closely as possi
38 Cfalk : Bull. I bet you you will have a veritable biological and chemical laboratory on your head if you wear your head in dreads for a few weeks. It's just
39 N1120A : You really need to take some blood pressure medication or something.
40 MD-90 : That sounds disgusting. Shampoo isn't soap, it's detergeant.
41 JCS17 : Can we get some context here? I mean, was he trying to get a job in sales or a warehouse?
42 Captaink : Although rastafarianism is big in Jamaica, you are going to see alot more people without dreadlocks than people with. I dunno what to say to this. My
43 Soku39 : Well I do and it looks horrible if I don't brush it a couple times a day. To get it lookin like Denzels (waves) you're going to need to brush it ALOT
44 Post contains links and images Baylorairbear : I thought this was funny. I was reading this thread while logged out earlier, and couldn't help but notice the irony. I assume adds are placed based o
45 Cfalk : OK, I didn't know that. I always thought you woke up like that, maintainance-free. Sorry. Would be nice.
46 DeltaDC9 : Thats the thing, at that point all you are doing is trying to get past the first cut. What that recruiter thinks is all that matters.
47 Post contains images DavestanKSAN : So you could be wrong about dreads or braids as well? Just sayin....... Dave
48 IAirAllie : I like the short little twisty dreds, the ones less than an inch or so. I think that done right they look clean and well styled. The long nasty ones a
49 DeltaDC9 : Dude, thats basically maintenance free compared to my hair.
50 Dougloid : They look stupid and dirty. How can you take a guy seriously who looks like he slept in a dumpster and decorated his head with goose turds? It just ai
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