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England Vs Pakistan (Forfeiture)  
User currently offlineAg92 From India, joined Jul 2006, 1317 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 8 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 1506 times:

So what are your opinions on this forfeiture.

In my personal opinion if ICC are unable to prove that Pakistan did tamper the ball, then Pakistan are the correct ones.

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User currently offlineAirbusA346 From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2004, 7437 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (7 years 8 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 1498 times:

Well Sky Sports has 20 odd cameras around the ground and they could find any footage that suggests that Pakistan tampered with the ball.

Tom.



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User currently offlineScbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12040 posts, RR: 47
Reply 2, posted (7 years 8 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 1494 times:
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User currently offlineZarniwoop From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 265 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 8 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 1494 times:

5 runs are not that much and are probably very unlikely to affect the outcome of the match. The more significant effect is the change of the ball. If there is any question of the ball having been tampered then it is fair enough to get the ball changed (as long as it is of a simliar state (age & shine) as the current one). If they continue to play with a damaged ball with england subsequently loosing lots of wickets and the ball tampering is then proven to be proved the wickets cannot be taken back! If the ball tampering is proven to be untrue the 5 runs can be removed from the total again. I hope this makes sense!
Pakistan are incorrect to refuse to take to the pitch again. The umpires followed the rules. They should have followed the standard procedure by playing on and lodging an offical protest after the days play finish. Pakistan could have dealt with it a lot better.
What is it was dickie bird that had made the desicion? Would Pakistan have taken the same action if it was not Daryl Hare? What if the series was 1-1 and Pakistan had a chance of winning? I think they would have gone back on the pitch.
The biggest loosers are the fans as always when these things happen at cricket matches.


User currently offlineRichardPrice From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (7 years 8 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 1480 times:

Quoting AirbusA346 (Reply 1):
Well Sky Sports has 20 odd cameras around the ground and they could find any footage that suggests that Pakistan tampered with the ball.

Can those cameras concievably catch every movement of a bowler or fielders fingers while holding the ball, considering its very easy to pick the seam with very little movement of the fingers?

It would be trivial to hide such an action.

The Umpires decision is final on the pitch, Pakistan should not have done what they did.


User currently offlineJamieD From UK - England, joined Apr 2002, 613 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (7 years 8 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 1456 times:

Quoting RichardPrice (Reply 4):
Can those cameras concievably catch every movement of a bowler or fielders fingers while holding the ball, considering its very easy to pick the seam with very little movement of the fingers?

It takes some effort to unstitch or otherwise tamper with/damage a cricket ball, if anything significant had been done to the ball my guess is that it would have been captured by one of the many cameras.


User currently offlineRichardPrice From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (7 years 8 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 1442 times:

Quoting JamieD (Reply 5):

It takes some effort to unstitch or otherwise tamper with/damage a cricket ball, if anything significant had been done to the ball my guess is that it would have been captured by one of the many cameras.

I used to bowl for my Sixth Form team (pretty good as well actually) and believe me, its not that hard to alter the balls properties with very little effort, definitely something that can be done seruptitiously in the hand.


User currently offlineVHVXB From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 5520 posts, RR: 19
Reply 7, posted (7 years 8 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 1440 times:

Quoting RichardPrice (Reply 6):
its not that hard to alter the balls properties with very little effort, definitely something that can be done seruptitiously in the hand.

thats correct. Its not that hard to raise the seam of the ball or to apply a bit of sunscreen to it.


User currently offlineSayem55 From Pakistan, joined Jul 2001, 324 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 8 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 1406 times:

"thats correct. Its not that hard to raise the seam of the ball or to apply a bit of sunscreen to it."
It takes good 30 secs to apply even a simple scratch on the ball, let alone the ones we saw on the ball when the two umpires were holding it. And if it is nearly impossible for 26 comers to catch the ball-tempering, how can the two umpires catch it and on what grounds did they penalize Pakistan??
Umpire Hair was wrong when he accused Pakistan of ball-tempering without any warning and proof.



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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31573 posts, RR: 57
Reply 9, posted (7 years 8 months 2 days ago) and read 1384 times:

Any Pics of the Tampered ball.
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MEL



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