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CO Teacher On Leave For Showing Foreign Flag  
User currently offlineMdsh00 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4124 posts, RR: 8
Posted (8 years 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2507 times:

And in another round of insecure xenophobes gone crazy, a Colorado geography teacher was ordered to remove flags of China and Mexico, which he said he planned to use for his lessons. The principal cited a state law which banned it, though it was never enforced before. And now the teacher is placed on leave.

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news...tail.html?subid=22100484&qs=1;bp=t

And people wonder why we Americans are so bad when it comes to geography.


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User currently offlineAloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8707 posts, RR: 42
Reply 1, posted (8 years 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2491 times:

 rotfl 

Only in Amurrahca! America however...  Wink



Walk together, talk together all ye peoples of the earth. Then, and only then, shall ye have peace.
User currently offlineAeroflot777 From Russia, joined Mar 2004, 3007 posts, RR: 27
Reply 2, posted (8 years 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2486 times:

Quoting Mdsh00 (Thread starter):
And people wonder why we Americans are so bad when it comes to geography.

I met 3 girls in England who asked me where I'm from. Upon telling them "Russia", they looked at me and asked "What's a Russia?"
That was enough for me.

Lack of geographical knowledge is a world-wide problem too. But removing flags from a geography class is truly irrational.

Aeroflot777


User currently offlineScorpio From Belgium, joined Oct 2001, 5032 posts, RR: 43
Reply 3, posted (8 years 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2478 times:

I truly don't know whether to laugh or cry with this one...

Quoting Aloges (Reply 1):
Only in Amurrahca!

Well, to be fair, the Americans don't hold the monopoly for this kind of stupidity. Remember the 'don't call kids smart' stunt?


User currently offlineAloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8707 posts, RR: 42
Reply 4, posted (8 years 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2469 times:

Quoting Scorpio (Reply 3):
Well, to be fair, the Americans don't hold the monopoly for this kind of stupidity.

Which is more or less my point - seeing how most Americans right in this forum can't believe these stories either.

Quoting Scorpio (Reply 3):
Remember the 'don't call kids smart' stunt?

No, fortunately I don't.  relieved 



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User currently offlineTbar220 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7013 posts, RR: 25
Reply 5, posted (8 years 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2426 times:

This is the stupidest thing I've heard in a while, I almost expect it to come from The Onion its so asinine.


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User currently offlineUsnseallt82 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 4891 posts, RR: 52
Reply 6, posted (8 years 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2418 times:

Quoting Mdsh00 (Thread starter):
CO Teacher On Leave For Showing Foreign Flag

Pathetic. Absolutely pathetic.

One is dismissed for burning a flag in the classroom...understandable. But this one is put on leave for showing another country's flag?

Pathetic.  no 



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User currently offlineCastleIsland From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (8 years 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2405 times:

Quoting Usnseallt82 (Reply 6):
One is dismissed for burning a flag in the classroom...understandable.

Sorry to weigh in here instead of the previous thread, but while what that teacher did was over the top, especially to 7th-graders, but as done, I think, for demonstrative purposes, it's not really offensive to me. When done in anger by far-away Islamic sympathisers (such as those in Indonesia after 9/11), it offends me enough to want to take no prisoners amongst their rank. Same goes for Americans here to make a political point at a rally or some such. That's either anger or supreme stupidity, or both. No sympathy here.

Quoting Usnseallt82 (Reply 6):
But this one is put on leave for showing another country's flag?

Pathetic.

 redflag 

Absolute bullshit. Why not just say it? You won't get banned for the truth in this matter.


User currently offlineUsnseallt82 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 4891 posts, RR: 52
Reply 8, posted (8 years 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2397 times:

Quoting CastleIsland (Reply 7):
it's not really offensive to me.

That's fine. Your opinion. But my point was that in that situation, the teacher's dismissal is more understandable than one who is just showing another nation's flag.

It just seems like another example of how someone's parents got their ever-so-hypersensitive-panties-in-a-fucking-wad. I wonder sometimes what the world is coming to.

Quoting CastleIsland (Reply 7):
Absolute bullshit. Why not just say it? You won't get banned for the truth in this matter.

I did say it. Its pathetic.



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User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (8 years 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2396 times:

I'm sure we'll find someone on here who will defend this completely un-American idiocy.

Welcome to the post-9/11, current anti-foreigner mindset of some Americans.


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31684 posts, RR: 56
Reply 10, posted (8 years 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2344 times:

Amazing.Out here the classes use Flags of other nationalities with no problem for Education Purposes.
regds
MEL



Think of the brighter side!
User currently offlineDeltaGator From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 6341 posts, RR: 13
Reply 11, posted (8 years 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2296 times:

I'm here in Boulder and this guy is right down the road in Denver/Jefferson County. The news this morning said he has been reinstated and will be allowed to display foreign flags on a temporary basis for his class.

I was kind of sleepy when they were talking about it on the news but IIRC they said the law had been put in place last year thatno foreign flags could be permanently displayed next to the US flag. Whether this "law" was a local JeffCo thing or all of Colorado I have no idea. What cracks me up is the zero-tolerance crap in schools. More like zero though instead for the administrators.

While I think that the whole incident is completely retarded it is also not the norm though the xenophobia in the US does seem to be more active these days.



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User currently offlineDoona From Sweden, joined Feb 2005, 3770 posts, RR: 13
Reply 12, posted (8 years 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2286 times:

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 11):
they said the law had been put in place last year thatno foreign flags could be permanently displayed next to the US flag.

But if the teacher used the flags for a class, it's not permanent, right?

Cheers
Mats



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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31684 posts, RR: 56
Reply 13, posted (8 years 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2267 times:

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 11):
they said the law had been put in place last year thatno foreign flags could be permanently displayed next to the US flag

Why was this.Is there a doubt of Patriotism.
regds
MEL



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User currently offlineDeltaGator From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 6341 posts, RR: 13
Reply 14, posted (8 years 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2257 times:

Quoting Doona (Reply 12):
But if the teacher used the flags for a class, it's not permanent, right?

That is what I would believe but the intelligence level of government school administrators leave something to be desired. Zero tolerance = zero thought needed.

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 13):
Why was this.Is there a doubt of Patriotism.

Heck if I know. Like I said I don't know if it was a JeffCo thing or for the whole state of Colorado. Most likely some kneejerk reaction by some peckerwood all about loving America and not wanting the Stars and Stripes to have to share airtime with some other country. BTW the two flags were Mexico and Communist China though I doubt the original ruling against the guy would have changed even if the flags were Andorra and Australia (trying to find 2 countries that are pretty neutral in the thoughts of Americans.)

At the end of the day the guy is a damn geography teacher and showing students the flag is no big deal to me. I have no problems with other country's flags and think kids need to know what they are. If this was done in the name of Patriotism then I say poo poo to the guv'mint dweeb who came up with the law/rule. Xenophobia is one thing but fear of a foreign country's flag?...come on Colorado, get with the program.



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User currently offlineDoona From Sweden, joined Feb 2005, 3770 posts, RR: 13
Reply 15, posted (8 years 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2228 times:

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 14):
Zero tolerance = zero thought needed

Indeed, sir.

Cheers
Mats



Sure, we're concerned for our lives. Just not as concerned as saving 9 bucks on a roundtrip to Ft. Myers.
User currently offlineTbar220 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7013 posts, RR: 25
Reply 16, posted (8 years 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2194 times:

I had a thought about this story today. We have in this country an alarming rise in high school dropouts and youth illiteracy, our students are becoming the laughingstock of the world, and these schools throw a fit because of a foreign flag?

Priorities, priorities, priorities...



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User currently offlineAloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8707 posts, RR: 42
Reply 17, posted (8 years 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2193 times:

Quoting Tbar220 (Reply 16):
Priorities, priorities, priorities...

It happens all too often - keep people busy bitching about little things, then they won't notice your big mistakes.

[Edited 2006-08-25 21:32:55]


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User currently offlineSearpqx From Netherlands, joined Jun 2000, 4344 posts, RR: 10
Reply 18, posted (8 years 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2182 times:

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 11):
The news this morning said he has been reinstated and will be allowed to display foreign flags on a temporary basis for his class.

Glad to hear that some sanity has prevailed. From a contract enforcement/arbitration stand point, the administration would have had a hard time making the suspension stick.

So, I'm assuming that the French/German/Spanish classes don't display the respective flags? What about those big wall maps that have all the flags around the borders, I'm assuming they've scoured the schools looking for those as well haven't they?  sarcastic 

Quoting Aloges (Reply 17):
It happens all too often - keep people busy bitching about little things, then they won't notice your big mistakes.

 checkmark 



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User currently offlineAsstChiefMark From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (8 years 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2177 times:

My sixth grade classroom teacher always had her classroom filled with the flags of the world's nations. There must have been a hundred of them. No one ever complained.

Why would Colorado have such an idiotic a state law?

Mark


User currently offlineGkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24936 posts, RR: 56
Reply 20, posted (8 years 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2167 times:

Quoting Scorpio (Reply 3):
Well, to be fair, the Americans don't hold the monopoly for this kind of stupidity. Remember the 'don't call kids smart' stunt?

Wasn't that passed by the EU?  stirthepot 



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User currently offlineCapital146 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2003, 2125 posts, RR: 43
Reply 21, posted (8 years 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2155 times:

Quoting Aeroflot777 (Reply 2):
met 3 girls in England who asked me where I'm from. Upon telling them "Russia", they looked at me and asked "What's a Russia?"
That was enough for me.

Good grief, that is appalling! I think just about everyone in England has at least HEARD of Russia, even if some don't have the knowledge to be able to point it out on a map (though I suspect most would still be able to do that, or at the very least get the correct region).

After all, 90% of all students have gained A or A* results in their exam results here, so they must be smart, not the exams getting easier.  Yeah sure



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User currently offlineSlamClick From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 10062 posts, RR: 68
Reply 22, posted (8 years 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2155 times:

For those of you above who either did not read the attached article, or those of you with sub-grade level reading skills he was not punished for "showing" a foreign flag.

The school had pre-existing rules prohibiting "permanent" display of non-US flags. The principal visited the classroom, saw these flags displayed, enquired about upcoming curriculum, found there was no specific reason to be displaying them and asked that the be removed. Display not tied to a specific timeframe such as a syllabus segment, begins to look pretty "permanent" to the principal. The teacher refused. That was and is considered "insubordination" which is a punishable offense almost everywhere in the world.

Hint to teachers: When your BOSS asks you to remove something from the classroom and cites a specific written rule as justification, it is probably best to comply. Refusal to do so, especially if the students have become aware of the issue is not a good idea. Comply, and take the issue up with the boss in private.

It probably applies where YOU work too.

It has nothing to do with

Quoting Aloges (Reply 1):
Amurrahca!

being a bunch of ignorant hillbillies. A moment's thought (omitted by so many here) can provide justification for such a rule. Teacher puts flags of Mexico and China on apparently permanent display, students from Guatemala and Laos feel their cultures have been slighted. Cost of defending against lawsuit are not proportional to their merit and contribute nothing to education.

This "news story" would hot have gained our attention if it were not for insinuation, half-truths, wrong assumptions and sensationalism.

Non-event.
Next!



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User currently offlineAGM100 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 5407 posts, RR: 16
Reply 23, posted (8 years 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2155 times:

He was not dismissed for hanging the flags , he was dismissed for breaking the rules. According the article the rules are that you do not fly foreign flags unless it is directly tied to the curriculum. The school reviewed the cirricilum and deemed the flags not relevant.

Now adays , if teachers were allowed to fly any flag , you know what we would have . Everything but the US flag ...



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User currently offlineSearpqx From Netherlands, joined Jun 2000, 4344 posts, RR: 10
Reply 24, posted (8 years 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2136 times:

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 22):
For those of you above who either did not read the attached article, or those of you with sub-grade level reading skills he was not punished for "showing" a foreign flag.

Ah - didn't take long for someone to not only defend the law (note I said law and not suspension), but be insulting to everyone else about it as well! Good job!  sarcastic 

By the way I read most of the posts, including my own, most of the comments were commenting on the stupidity of the law, and only tangently for the enforcement of it. And from how quickly it appears the school has reinstated him, it appears that the school also had second thoughts.



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25 SlamClick : Another interpretation of what you read in my post is this: That is not an argument in favor of the law, but a justification for it. It is at least a
26 Scorpio : Any chance of you dropping the high and mighty condescending tone there buddy?
27 Mdsh00 : If you also read a majority of these posts you'd see that people are criticizing the stupidity of the law and the principle behind it. As well as the
28 Searpqx : Actually, your full statement: sounds decidedly like a rationale for the existence of the law. So I'll change defend to rationalize and accept that yo
29 Trekster : Should my school teacher of been banned. We had loads of foreign flags up in school. Lots. America is just getting stupid. BANNING a Sunday school tea
30 Post contains images Searpqx : At the risk of sounding like SlamClick - read the post before making sweeping statements - America neither banned the flags nor the sunday school tea
31 Trekster : A state law that said they can not permantly be up. But they were being used for lessons. And the sunday school teacher. Well, being sacked because sh
32 Falcon84 : So, I guess, SC, Rosa Parks should have been a good little colored, and just shut up and sat in the back of the bus, till some white fool changed the
33 Bill142 : Marge Simpson: "It took the children 45 minute to find Canada on the map" Homer: "Oh anyone can miss Canada, all tucked away down there"
34 SlamClick : I'm sorry. They are geniuses for getting it so wrong.
35 Airbus3801 : That is confusing to me. They are demonstrating and you said you don't have a problem with it for demonstrative purposes, yet they are doing it for d
36 SlamClick : No, your teacher should be reprimanded for not teaching you the difference between "of" and "have" as seen here Which makes your ...ironic and funny.
37 Coyoteguy : Heard on Jeopardy (college week!) two nights ago: Alex (paraphrased): "Do you know the way to this two word capital of Costa Rica?" Genius contestant
38 SlamClick : Huge leap there and really dishonest to bring the emotionally charged race issue in here as if it had anything to do with this. Besides, that kind of
39 AGM100 : I guess so, the class room especially a geography class is not the place for politics. But lets say the teacher decided to put up a Israeli flag besi
40 DavestanKSAN : I agree with teachers following the rules, but there comes a time when breaking them is necessary. It's getting to the point where teachers are expect
41 BAxMAN : This teacher's disrespect to an absurd law is an effective way of getting this specific law repealed. Whilst I have no doubt that the teacher did not
42 DETA737 : Wow how bizarre. I grew up in Connecticut and I remember my highschool auditorium had the flags of around 10 different foreign countries hanging. My F
43 Mdsh00 : Of course not. But who said he was putting it up there for political reasons? I bet you he didn't even know about the rule since it never came up in
44 AGM100 : It is quite possible that he did not know the rule , If he did not then consideration should have been taken. IMO suspending the teacher is drastic ,
45 Post contains images Halls120 : When you walk into the main lobby in the State Department in DC, there is a flag flying for every nation in the world we recognize. Maybe someone sho
46 Searpqx : Probably pretty close. I still think there's something, some motivation, on one side or the other, that we haven't heard about. I don't know the cont
47 Post contains links PerthGloryFan : Easter 2002, my wife is visiting friends in Lake City, Florida. Friend's 6 yo grandson takes Mrs PGF along to his nursery school as his "show and tell
48 SlamClick : So here is the latest word to me on this subject: History for SlamClick trekster 2006-08-26 09:54:47 Um getting sacked and being told never to work as
49 Post contains images Halls120 : At least you got your "marching orders" as an IM. On another thread, I was summarily told "shut up, slave" by a frequent Anet poster. It is always am
50 Post contains images SlamClick : I saw that! So I'm not the only one who thought it might have been just a bit out of line?
51 Post contains images Usnseallt82 : You go first...
52 Post contains images DeltaGator : Dayum! She's built like a brick shithouse. Forget being Commissioner of the NFL...she should be a starting linebacker.
53 Slider : I was thinking that too!!
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