As a California Democrat, as concerned about the GOP abandoning the Senatorial candidacy of Rep. Harris as so many of our right-wing friends were about the Dems not backing Joe Lieberman, I'll once again issue the call: here's a woman who has done SO MUCH for her party in the past (as Florida Secretary of State, and in the US House), who clearly espouses views shared by large numbers of Republicans, and yet--her party ignores her. Please, Reeps, help Kitty! Don't exhibit the shameful, shocking cut-and-run behavior that really makes me weep the exact same tears that so many wept for Joe Lieberman. Point of clarification: are they still "crocodile tears" in Florida, or are the "alligator tears" down there?
Maury From United States of America, joined May 2005, 532 posts, RR: 2 Reply 2, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 856 times:
Oh heck...can't resist, here's just one sample sound-bite from the woman who is so shamelfully backed-away-from by the party that she so loyally supports:
"If you are not electing Christians, tried and true, under public scrutiny and pressure, if you're not electing Christians, then in essence you are going to legislate sin," she told interviewers, citing abortion and gay marriage as two examples of that sin.
Doing so, she said, "will take western civilization, indeed other nations because people look to our country as one nation as under God and whenever we legislate sin and we say abortion is permissible and we say gay unions are permissible, then average citizens who are not Christians, because they don't know better, we are leading them astray and it's wrong..."
Would any average citizens, who are not Xian because they don't know better, care to respond? Or some who are because they do? PS: the photo that accompanies the Sun-Sentinel article doesn't really do Rep. Harris the equine justice she deserves.
AeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 16409 posts, RR: 63 Reply 3, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 838 times:
Didn't Rep. Harris learn anything watching the Anita Bryant saga?
Maury From United States of America, joined May 2005, 532 posts, RR: 2 Reply 4, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 832 times:
if she learned anything at all from that tale, it better be: "duck, there's a pie coming your way!"
I was going to add something about how the Reeps must be through gnashing their teeth over the Nutmeg State's daring to run another Dem in their primary, but I thought better of using "teeth-gnashing" in a thread about Rep. Harris. That's just a horse of a different color. Oh, dammit.
Doona From Sweden, joined Feb 2005, 3640 posts, RR: 11 Reply 5, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 828 times:
Quoting Maury (Thread starter): That wacky Kitty Harris has announced that if you don't elect Christians to office, you're voting for sin. Read all about it, there are too many delicious quotes to list:
Well, if you believe that it is a sin not to be a Christian, she's right.
Cheers
Mats
Sure, we're concerned for our lives. Just not as concerned as saving 9 bucks on a roundtrip to Ft. Myers.
AndesSMF From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 6, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 812 times:
Quoting Maury (Reply 2): Oh heck...can't resist, here's just one sample sound-bite from the woman who is so shamelfully backed-away-from by the party that she so loyally supports:
Well, with that kind of thinking, I am not surprised that the GOP doesnt support her.
DL021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11347 posts, RR: 89 Reply 7, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 805 times:
Quoting Maury (Reply 2): Oh heck...can't resist, here's just one sample sound-bite from the woman who is so shamelfully backed-away-from by the party that she so loyally supports:
She's not being booted out of office that she's held for 18 years. You're looking to compare apples to bananas.
Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 6): Well, with that kind of thinking, I am not surprised that the GOP doesnt support her.
Anyone that announces that the entire GOP is far right wing christian probably thinks that all democrats are hard line socialists.
AndesSMF From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 8, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 803 times:
Quoting DL021 (Reply 7): Anyone that announces that the entire GOP is far right wing christian probably thinks that all democrats are hard line socialists.
Now if I had been able to come up with that response, I would have been happy. But aren't Democrats all socialists and marxists??
AeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 16409 posts, RR: 63 Reply 9, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 795 times:
Quoting DL021 (Reply 7): She's not being booted out of office that she's held for 18 years. You're looking to compare apples to bananas.
I'm afraid I'm not up to speed on Florida politics. Who is being booted out of office?
Jaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 10, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 785 times:
Quoting DL021 (Reply 7): Anyone that announces that the entire GOP is far right wing christian probably thinks that all democrats are hard line socialists.
True.
But I think we can all agree that Katherine Harris is a bonafide idiot.
Someone should tell her that she was the GOP's one night stand back in 2000. And that she got paid (with a Congressional seat) for putting out.
But every 'ho's days are numbered. She's gone from being a high class political hooker to a down and dirty streetwalker trolling for votes among the far right Christian wing of the GOP. Everyone knows that this woman has never herself been a rabid religious nut and that she's spouting this @#$#$% just to ensure that she gets the fundie votes in the primary. And you know, she may just be doing the right thing. It's those people who pack the voting booths in the primaries.
Maury From United States of America, joined May 2005, 532 posts, RR: 2 Reply 11, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 784 times:
Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 6): Well, with that kind of thinking, I am not surprised that the GOP doesnt support her.
Really...you'd think a tent big enough to include the forward-thinking Rev. Jerry Falwell -- once a candidate for the GOP Presidential nomination -- would also include Rep. Harris. I'm sure they have many opinions in common, especially in regard to what sort of people ought to lead our nation.
If she's too out-there for y'all, try Connie Burns...or that nice Mr. Warner from Virginia. It's an awfully big tent, after all!
Searpqx From Netherlands, joined Jun 2000, 4342 posts, RR: 23 Reply 12, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 780 times:
Quoting DL021 (Reply 7): She's not being booted out of office that she's held for 18 years. You're looking to compare apples to bananas.
No, but she's held State Office for a significant period and played an important role in the 2000 elections. The point is the Republican Party had a field day with Lieberman's defeat, but have been amazingly silent about Harris and Murkowski. Bottom line, in all cases, the voters, who actually are the only ones that matter, have made it clear they don't want 'em, and anything posted by the opposing parties is/was just political grandstanding.
"The two most common elements in the universe are Hydrogen and stupidity"
Dvk From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1058 posts, RR: 2 Reply 13, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 769 times:
She sounds like Judge Roy Moore! The only reason the Florida GOP organization hasn't supported her is because they don't believe she can beat Bill Nelson. That's why they tried to draft "Scarborough's Country"'s Joe Scarborough, a hard right-wing former Pensacola congressman, to run for the senate. Joe unexpectedly resigned several years ago, just after reelection, claiming the usual desire for greater family time. Of course, he had just been through a nasty divorce, and a young female aide had mysteriously died in his congressional office with barely a notice from the media. While Joe has never been linked with the aide's death, there has never been a satisfactory explanation for the apparent attempt to keep the incident quiet. He was smart to decline entering the senate race. Why do I mention Joe? In view of his baggage, real or otherwise, the attempt to draft him into the race shows how desperate the Florida GOP was to find a more viable alternative to Katty Harris.
[Edited 2006-08-25 21:03:29]
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Falcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 14, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 769 times:
Kathrine ought to remember, what any good Christian should, what Christ said when he was asked if the people should pay taxes: "Give unto Caesar what is Caesar's; give unto God what is God's."
In other words, he was saying, I think, that His Father wasn't, in the long run, concerned with worldy matters, such as politics and money, but in the salvation of the person.
And this, Katie, is NOT a Christian nation. Not everyone believes what you do; not everyone shares your view within the Christian community of Church and State; and it can and should not be run by Christians, only for the sake of Christians.
Take a hike, lady, and may God Bless everyone, not just Christians.
AndesSMF From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 15, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 758 times:
Quoting Maury (Reply 11): Rev. Jerry Falwell -- once a candidate for the GOP Presidential nomination
And where is he now???
Quoting Maury (Reply 11): If she's too out-there for y'all, try Connie Burns...or that nice Mr. Warner from Virginia. It's an awfully big tent, after all!
Well, at least we dont have Howard Dean or Ted Kennedy or Schumer or Clinton...etc. Looks like you also have some loons out there on your side.
Jaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 16, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 750 times:
Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 15): Quoting Maury (Reply 11):
Rev. Jerry Falwell -- once a candidate for the GOP Presidential nomination
And where is he now???
Telling his flock to vote for the GOP, pulling strings in the GOP machine and licking his chops having turned the GOP of old into the Ye Olde Flat Earth Society.
Tbar220 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7011 posts, RR: 35 Reply 17, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 742 times:
We should start placing guesses on what percentage of the vote she will get in the election come November. I'll start, and go with 26%
Srbmod From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 16029 posts, RR: 57 Reply 18, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 736 times:
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Quoting Maury (Reply 11):
Really...you'd think a tent big enough to include the forward-thinking Rev. Jerry Falwell -- once a candidate for the GOP Presidential nomination -- would also include Rep. Harris. I'm sure they have many opinions in common, especially in regard to what sort of people ought to lead our nation.
You have Falwell confused with fellow televangelist/nutjob Pat Robertson, who ran in 1988.
A lot of these Christian Conservatives are going to be in for a rude awakening within the next few years. I think that by the time the 2008 elections roll around, anyone even remotely associated with Bush is going to have a hell of a time getting elected or re-elected. As it has already somewhat played out in the primaries not only for US House and Senate seat, but for statewide offices in some states (Case in point, the defeat of former Abramoff associate Ralph Reed here in Georgia in the GOP Lt. Governor primary). The Abramoff Factor will play a role in the next few elections as well, because what's happened so far is more than likely the tip of the iceberg.
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DL021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11347 posts, RR: 89 Reply 19, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 722 times:
I lost the quote but to a degree I go along with that thinking. The outrage over Lieberman losing his seat was fair in that he was being persecuted in an organized and nationwide campaign by the left side of the democrat party who was very mad at him for one thing, and they entered the state race with the intent of displaying their will at hammering any democrat that doesn't toe the line in this issue. Lots of democrats displayed real non-class in this effort. The issue with Harris is that she's not going to get elected, and will definitely be a lightning rod for the left and would lose the seat. Lieberman would not have lost the democrat seat, nor would he have turned republican.
I don't think that she's the right candidate, but the primaries will always sort that out. The republicans nationally supported someone else in order to defuse a potential attention getting fire where one was not really needed. The democrats started a fire and that was a large part of the reason they worked so hard against Lieberman.
Quoting Jaysit (Reply 10): But I think we can all agree that Katherine Harris is a bonafide idiot.
I don't like using exaggerated expressions of intelligence or stupidity since they're invariably unprovable and lower the level of conversation. Calling President Clinton a lying perjuring womanizer is stating fact that you can back up with proof. You can't prove Katherine Harris is anything other than a potential harridan for the right who is a less well-off version of Pelosi.....with an equal apparent amount of plastic surgery.
Quoting Jaysit (Reply 10): Someone should tell her that she was the GOP's one night stand back in 2000. And that she got paid (with a Congressional seat) for putting out.
There you go again.......(imagine Reagans voice with that quote...I know...I'm no Reagan )
Quoting Jaysit (Reply 10): But every 'ho's days are numbered. She's gone from being a high class political hooker to a down and dirty streetwalker trolling for votes among the far right Christian wing of the GOP.
See, now that turns the conversation to an argument about bullshit. She's not a whore, she's perhaps overimbued with confidence and conviction in her own popularity, but other than that she's done nothing wrong....unless you're a democrat looking for someone besides Gore to blame for 2000.
Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 9): Quoting DL021 (Reply 7):
She's not being booted out of office that she's held for 18 years. You're looking to compare apples to bananas.
I'm afraid I'm not up to speed on Florida politics. Who is being booted out of office?
Lieberman is the victim of a modern day electoral lynching.....(I've been waiting to use that one).... No one in Florida is being booted....there's a fight about who's going to run for senate there. The democrats are trying to say that the situation is the same as with Lieberman, but on the other foot and claim it's hypocrisy. They're reaching pretty far for that analogy.
Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 8): Quoting DL021 (Reply 7):
Anyone that announces that the entire GOP is far right wing christian probably thinks that all democrats are hard line socialists.
Now if I had been able to come up with that response, I would have been happy. But aren't Democrats all socialists and marxists??
SHHHH!!!!....I just lectured my friend Jaysit on that issue! Stop that now (imagine Arnie at his victory speech....I'm sort of on a roll here...at least I'm amusing myself)..... ok...the democrats are certainly to the left, and many of their core ideas such as nationalized health care, higher taxation and more regulation of the economy and the national industries certainly do approach socialism more closely, they aren't really socialists...for the most part. Much....
Quoting Dvk (Reply 13): The only reason the Florida GOP organization hasn't supported her is because they don't believe she can beat Bill Nelson.
That is the bottom line. If they thought she'd win they'd back her.
Quoting Dvk (Reply 13): reason the Florida GOP organization hasn't supported her is because they don't believe she can beat Bill Nelson. That's why they tried to draft "Scarborough's Country"'s Joe Scarborough, a hard right-wing former Pensacola congressman, to run for the senate.
I don't know that he's available for that. Someone else mentioned his baggage, and he's not been looking like he's interested in electioneering for anything lately.
Maury From United States of America, joined May 2005, 532 posts, RR: 2 Reply 20, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 718 times:
Quoting Srbmod (Reply 18): You have Falwell confused with fellow televangelist/nutjob Pat Robertson, who ran in 1988.
AeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 16409 posts, RR: 63 Reply 21, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 713 times:
Quoting DL021 (Reply 19): Lieberman is the victim of a modern day electoral lynching.....(I've been waiting to use that one).... No one in Florida is being booted.
Ah thanks. I didn't connect the dots to Lieberman in your post since he merely lost his primary but is still running.
Dvk From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1058 posts, RR: 2 Reply 22, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 693 times:
Quoting DL021 (Reply 19): Lieberman is the victim of a modern day electoral lynching
No, he lost an election. The other guy got the most votes. Between Iraq and Terri Schiavo, a lot of people in Connecticut are unhappy with Joe. That's their prerogative, and they showed it at the polls. I personally think Joe should have withdrawn gracefully after the primary loss. He can claim to be a scapegoat, but his downfall was because of his support for "staying the course" in Iraq and voting for congress to interfere in the Schiavo case. If I lived in CT, I would have voted against him for the same reasons.
The Florida GOP didn't just fail to support Katbox Harris; they tried to pressure her to withdraw from the race. The real comparison here is with the Ohio veteran (whose name I've forgotten) who was pressured by the Democratic hierarchy to withdraw from the senate race because they felt he was less likely to succeed in unseating the Republican (?DeWine). The Republicans had a lot to say about how dirty it was for the Dems to pressure this guy out of the race, yet the Florida Republicans have done the same thing with Kat. This is where the real comparison lies, and where claims of hypocrisy on the part of the Republicans can be made.
I'm not dumb. I just have a command of thoroughly useless information.
TedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 23, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 693 times:
Quoting Maury (Thread starter): Point of clarification: are they still "crocodile tears" in Florida, or are the "alligator tears" down there?
Considering she's a tamponian, it's likely a crockodile. Mostly saltwalter there which is what North American Crocs like. While there might be crocs in the bay, the only population of Crocodiles that I know for an absolute FACT exist in Florida are near the cooling ponds of Turkey point in Miami. That being said.. once you move inland to fresh water it's all aligators and TONS of them.
I'll address the political side of this when I get home...something about working for conservatives...
Maury From United States of America, joined May 2005, 532 posts, RR: 2 Reply 24, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 693 times:
Quoting DL021 (Reply 19): No one in Florida is being booted....there's a fight about who's going to run for senate there.
I could have sworn that Lieberman-Lamont was a primary race, to determine who'd run for Senate on the Democratic party ticket. A fight, so to speak, about who's going to run for Senate.
Rep. Harris is running against other candidates in the Republican Senate primary in Florida. Golly...that seems almost...similar!
So DL021...which is it, crocodile tears or alligator? If you're still selling wolf tickets over the "genuine sense of concern over the fate of Joe Lieberman," it's probably a tough sell. But the "it's a shame about Kitty" bandwagon is still accepting riders!
PS: the correct term is "shod." No one in Florida is being booted...it's "shod."
25 Mir: Starring in his own real-life version of "Accepted" -Mir
26 DL021: As you should well know due to the political makeup of that state and the incumbency of the senator in place, the democrats are a shoo-in for that se
27 Maury: Funny, like a clown? Let's not get self-righteous here...it smacks of...well, it is what it is. Now, Jaysit (who we last saw being 'lectured' by DL02
28 DL021: Being polite and realistic if boring to you? Interesting. Self-righteous? Here? Stop it. She's posturing.....just like most of them, and most of the
30 Texdravid: Katherine Harris is a complete idiot and an embarassment to the Republican party. While she may not be a "Cruella de Vil" as described by Democrats, s
31 TedTAce: Only on days she's not supposed to eat fish KH is a joke even to herself. She's a caricature of right wing politics gone WAY wrong. The only people w
32 Ctbarnes: Stirring things in Leesburg, VA No, she's probably a genuine Christian nutjob. But then... But it's also the type of rhetoric that turns off mainstre
33 DL021: To be fair I do believe that Falcon considers McKinney to be an incompetent nutjob, the same as most Americans of any political stripe. He may correc
34 Scamp: Now tell that to (and convince) the gazillion voters that have put so many of these clowns into public office by believing that only the right-wing h
35 Maury: By the by...in Florida, do you imagine there's a Republican running against Ktty in the primary that has a good chance of winning it, and then defeat
36 Falcon84: McKinny had that same thing Delay had-the hubris of power. She thought that it was all about here, not about who she was serving. Unfortunately, the
37 DL021: well, you are a devilishly handsome and wellspoken man, sailor.....
38 Maury: Update! Or: the confused clear things up for the confused's benefit, from the Sun-Sentinel again: "Asked whether the U.S. should be a secular country,
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