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Where Are The Two Israeli Soldiers?  
User currently offlineDL021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11447 posts, RR: 75
Posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 2793 times:

I've been trying to figure this out. Did they get forgotten in all of this?

Did the UN wish them away?

Are they back in Israel? Did they get taken to Iran or somewhere else?

Who has the answer?


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User currently offlineRichardPrice From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 2780 times:

Reading the UNSC Resolution 1701 (http://daccess-ods.un.org/TMP/5697202.html) the soldiers are only mentioned in brief:

Quote:

Emphasizing the need for an end of violence, but at the same time emphasizing the need to address urgently the causes that have given rise to the current crisis, including by the unconditional release of the abducted Israeli soldiers,

Mindful of the sensitivity of the issue of prisoners and encouraging the efforts
aimed at urgently settling the issue of the Lebanese prisoners detained in Israel,

As far as I know, Hezbollah still possess them as prisoners.

As a side note, is anyone else amused by the way UNSC resolutions are layed out?


User currently offlineDL021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11447 posts, RR: 75
Reply 2, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 2779 times:

Quoting RichardPrice (Reply 1):
As a side note, is anyone else amused by the way UNSC resolutions are layed out?

Bemused more like it.

I read that and wondered what is being done about this now. I think that the UN is wishing they'd go away, but I can say that Israel won't forget about these two soldiers.



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User currently offlineQR332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 2770 times:

And I think it has been proven that bombing the shit out of Lebanon isn't going to get the Israelis anywhere... as far as I know they're still Hezbollah prisoners, and Hezbollah has said that the only way they will be released is through indirect negotiations with Israel.

User currently offlineRichardPrice From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 2764 times:

Quoting DL021 (Reply 2):
I read that and wondered what is being done about this now. I think that the UN is wishing they'd go away, but I can say that Israel won't forget about these two soldiers.

By all intents and purposes, I think the UN isnt dealing with the issue of them because its an extremely complex one.

What Im wondering is whether the UN force will be used to protect the Golan Heights, which the UN considers Syrian territory under illegal Israeli occupation.


User currently offlineDL021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11447 posts, RR: 75
Reply 5, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 2758 times:

Israel was not forced to stop by Hizballah...they were persuaded by their allies and the UN and assured they would get their people back by the international community.

I'd bet that any smugness by any backer of hizballah would immediately be turned to indignation if the Israelis got pissed about not getting their people back. They're not going to negotiate for their release, and they're not going to give up Palestinian prisoners. And why did Hizballah snatch Israelis for Palestine if they're purely about keeping Israel out of Lebanon? Check your posts today and see if that's what you said their purpose is.



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User currently offlineRichardPrice From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 2752 times:

Quoting DL021 (Reply 5):
I'd bet that any smugness by any backer of hizballah would immediately be turned to indignation if the Israelis got pissed about not getting their people back. They're not going to negotiate for their release, and they're not going to give up Palestinian prisoners. And why did Hizballah snatch Israelis for Palestine if they're purely about keeping Israel out of Lebanon? Check your posts today and see if that's what you said their purpose is.

Well, note that the UNSC resolution also contains reference to Lebanese prisoners held by Israel.

As I said before, its a complex issue.


User currently offlineSoups From Ghana, joined Jun 2004, 3438 posts, RR: 14
Reply 7, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 2743 times:

Quoting DL021 (Thread starter):
Did they get forgotten in all of this?

This war IS has clearly got nothing to do about those 2 prisoners, it was just an excuse. what did Irael get out of the war? NOTHING!!

Quoting QR332 (Reply 3):
And I think it has been proven that bombing the shit out of Lebanon isn't going to get the Israelis anywhere

Very well said

Quoting QR332 (Reply 3):
as far as I know they're still Hezbollah prisoners, and Hezbollah has said that the only way they will be released is through indirect negotiations with Israel.

And i hope they remain there for a long time until prisoners on the other side are released



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User currently offlineQR332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 2743 times:

Quoting DL021 (Reply 5):
Israel was not forced to stop by Hizballah...they were persuaded by their allies and the UN and assured they would get their people back by the international community

I never said they were, but they cannot win against Hezbollah... after one month of bombing the hell out of Lebanon, the day before the ceasefire saw the second highest number of rockets fired at Israel since the start of the conflict. The Israeli soldiers, IMO, would not have been returned by force...

Quoting DL021 (Reply 5):
I'd bet that any smugness by any backer of hizballah would immediately be turned to indignation if the Israelis got pissed about not getting their people back. They're not going to negotiate for their release, and they're not going to give up Palestinian prisoners. And why did Hizballah snatch Israelis for Palestine if they're purely about keeping Israel out of Lebanon? Check your posts today and see if that's what you said their purpose is.

Palestinian prisoners? They kidnapped the soldiers to negotiate the release of Lebanese POWs, although they would have probably tried to negotiate the release of Palestinian ones too. But, this was primarily done for Lebanese POWs being held without trial, which Israel is not negotiating about.


User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29805 posts, RR: 58
Reply 9, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 2676 times:

Quoting QR332 (Reply 8):
kidnapped the soldiers to negotiate the release of Lebanese POWs,

Negotiate? That is funny...

I hate to say if but those two are probably in a shallow grave somewhere in Lebanon or Syria.



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User currently offlineDL021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11447 posts, RR: 75
Reply 10, posted (8 years 2 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2622 times:

Quoting QR332 (Reply 8):
They kidnapped the soldiers to negotiate the release of Lebanese POWs,

Their idea of how to negotiate is rather non-conducive to positive peace talks or negotiating in good faith. It's terrorism and it should not me rewarded with any measure of success or it will never end.

Quoting RichardPrice (Reply 6):
As I said before, its a complex issue.

Yes...but then again, no. The matter at hand here is the kidnapping of two soldiers. If Hizballah and the Lebanese wish to call this a war then they need to stop whining when Israel prosecutes a war. If it's a criminal action then the Lebanese needs to apply whatever pressure is necessary to gain the release of the two Israelis.

Quoting QR332 (Reply 8):
although they would have probably tried to negotiate the release of Palestinian ones too. But, this was primarily done for Lebanese POWs being held without trial, which Israel is not negotiating about.

So, you acknowledge...and this is a question...that they would have spread out their demands and played the Israelis for things that had nothing to do with Lebanon?



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User currently offlineSlamClick From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 10062 posts, RR: 68
Reply 11, posted (8 years 2 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2615 times:

I assume they are the reason Jesse Jackson is going to the middle east.

Surprised there is not a big thread about that on here.



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User currently offlineLY744 From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 5536 posts, RR: 10
Reply 12, posted (8 years 2 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2596 times:

Quoting RichardPrice (Reply 4):
What Im wondering is whether the UN force will be used to protect the Golan Heights, which the UN considers Syrian territory under illegal Israeli occupation.

The U.N. has kind of been in the Golah Heights for about 32 years now. As their SOP goes, they are essentially playing for the Syrian team.

Quoting Soups (Reply 7):
And i hope they remain there for a long time

Good to know where you stand.

Quoting DL021 (Reply 5):
And why did Hizballah snatch Israelis for Palestine if they're purely about keeping Israel out of Lebanon?

Well their stated goal is the elimination of Israel.

Speaking of which, it's nice to see the global outpouring of Lebanese pride, but one has to wonder where all this sentiment was before. You know, when a powerful militant organization was holding rallies in that nations capital, swearing their allegiance to the spiritiaul leader of a whole other nation...


LY744.



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User currently offlineDL021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11447 posts, RR: 75
Reply 13, posted (8 years 2 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2592 times:

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 11):
I assume they are the reason Jesse Jackson is going to the middle east.

I sort of figured that he's going out there to burnish his public image. I'll admit that he has gotten servicemen and women released under similar circumstances before and I hope he succeeds.

Quoting LY744 (Reply 12):
Speaking of which, it's nice to see the global outpouring of Lebanese pride, but one has to wonder where all this sentiment was before. You know, when a powerful militant organization was holding rallies in that nations capital, swearing their allegiance to the spiritiaul leader of a whole other nation...

We're not insinuating crocodile tears are we?

Quoting Soups (Reply 7):
Quoting QR332 (Reply 3):
as far as I know they're still Hezbollah prisoners, and Hezbollah has said that the only way they will be released is through indirect negotiations with Israel.

And i hope they remain there for a long time until prisoners on the other side are released

So you are ok with terrorist tactics? Or do you think that this IS a war and Israel should prosecute it as such? Can't have it both ways, can you?



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User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 14, posted (8 years 2 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2589 times:

after reading through all the posts, it simply is pure speculation. Israel for days concentrated on attacking and terrorizing Beirut, so that Hizbullah had sufficient time to transfer the kidnapped Israel to whatever destination.

User currently offlineMIAMIx707 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (8 years 2 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2574 times:

Quoting QR332 (Reply 3):
And I think it has been proven that bombing the shit out of Lebanon isn't going to get the Israelis anywhere...

While I feel bad for the ppl of Lebanon, you have to be crazy to say Israel didn't get anywhere, especially when there is an international force in place to guard against the Hezbollah "party of God" lunatics from provoking anything. So Israel didn't get the two soldiers but will have an intl force checking up on Hezbollah. I doubt the Lebanese is gonna let Hezbollah foolishly fire rockets into Israel again, because they know whats coming.

Quoting QR332 (Reply 8):
I never said they were, but they cannot win against Hezbollah...

wow.. that sounds like someone who admires these lunatics

Quoting Soups (Reply 7):
And i hope they remain there for a long time until prisoners on the other side are released

Are you serious man? Good thing you don't call the shots in your country! That sounds like something only some bonehead dictator would say. Yeah so Israel has ot release all these terrorist, terrorist suppoters and lunatics so they can get 3 soldiers that were abducted in Israeli territory no less.. Love your logic. Good thing you'r not part of Ghana's govt. I hope not.


User currently offlineTu204 From Russia, joined Mar 2006, 1249 posts, RR: 18
Reply 16, posted (8 years 2 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2524 times:

Well, as I said a month ago, either these soldiers do not exist or the IDF does not care about their men that have been taken hostage and used them as pawns. However I am almost willing to renounce my theory that they did not exist because this war was almost like a gift for Hezbollah (it benefited them way too much for this to have been started by Israel).


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User currently offlineSoups From Ghana, joined Jun 2004, 3438 posts, RR: 14
Reply 17, posted (8 years 2 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2500 times:

Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 15):
Are you serious man?

This comes from someone who bought his 1st apartment 3 month ago and now it has vanished



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User currently offlineL410Turbolet From Czech Republic, joined May 2004, 5729 posts, RR: 19
Reply 18, posted (8 years 2 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2492 times:

Quoting Tu204 (Reply 16):
or the IDF does not care about their men

The IDF is not the Russian Army.


User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 19, posted (8 years 2 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2487 times:

Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 15):
when there is an international force in place to guard against the Hezbollah "party of God" lunatics from provoking anything. So Israel didn't get the two soldiers but will have an intl force checking up on Hezbollah. I doubt the Lebanese is gonna let Hezbollah foolishly fire rockets into Israel again, because they know whats coming.

the international force has TWO things to do. ONE is to stop Hizbullah from attacking Israel, the OTHER one is to, in conjunction with the Lebanese army, prevent Israel from attacking Lebanon again. And whenever I agree to some extent with your judgment about Hizbullah, you should stop your "lunatics" thing, as this is beside the point.

Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 15):
Israel has ot release all these terrorist, terrorist suppoters and lunatics

Here you go again. What is demanded is not the release of terrorists, but of people who were captured by the IDF. This may possibly include some terrorists, but this is unproven. And you might specify what exactly you regard as a "terrorist-supporter". And finally, "lunatics" again ! Apparently a kind of obsession of yours ?


User currently offlineTu204 From Russia, joined Mar 2006, 1249 posts, RR: 18
Reply 20, posted (8 years 2 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2460 times:

Quoting L410Turbolet (Reply 18):
The IDF is not the Russian Army.

Really? Well, they may not have as many nuclear warheads, but they still do a good job of screwing up, handing over victory to Hezbollah and didn't get their men back...if that was ever their intention  Smile



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User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 21, posted (8 years 2 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2457 times:

Quoting Tu204 (Reply 20):
didn't get their men back..

they WILL get them back, in the framework of a negotiated prisoners exchange. I have just opened a new topic, as the question no longer is where they are


User currently offlineDL021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11447 posts, RR: 75
Reply 22, posted (8 years 2 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2427 times:

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 21):
they WILL get them back, in the framework of a negotiated prisoners exchange

I will castigate the Israelis to the ends of the earth if they negotiate and give anything for the release of those soldiers. If they cave to this they'll never see the end of terrorist activity.



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User currently offlineJFK69 From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 1419 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (8 years 2 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 2416 times:

Quoting Tu204 (Reply 16):
he IDF does not care about their men that have been



Quoting L410Turbolet (Reply 18):
The IDF is not the Russian Army.

Yeah....if the Kursk was a Israeli Submarine, I think the sailors may have been saved...........


User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 24, posted (8 years 2 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 2410 times:

Quoting DL021 (Reply 22):
hey WILL get them back, in the framework of a negotiated prisoners exchange

I will castigate the Israelis to the ends of the earth if they negotiate and give anything for the release of those soldiers. If they cave to this they'll never see the end of terrorist activity.

they quite obviously already HAVE negotiated, through German mediation, with Hizbullah, and the deal appears to be almost fixed and done. It looks as if they went into negotiations as soon as realising that they could NOT locate them. And it anyway is NOT the first such deal of them. This time, most of those Lebanese kidnapped by the IDF at earlier occasions will get freed. And the exchange will be conducted under German supervision.


25 EWRCabincrew : Well the US never got Osama either. Look where we are now. Best of luck to get them back.
26 Tu204 : I am impressed at the ignorance of some of you. THE ENTIRE SUBMARINE FLOODED WITHIN 7 HOURS. It would have been PHYSICALLY IMPOSSIBLE to deliver a re
27 EK156 : The problem with Israel is that it believes everything is solved by terror and force. If someone tickles an Israeli Soldier, they bomb the shit out of
28 ME AVN FAN : well, they have become used to enjoying the total strategic superiority, in the words of successive US leaderships the "balance of power in the Middl
29 DL021 : "tickles" a soldier? You have a way of diminishing the truth here. Who's arrogance and ignorance? The terrorists or the nation that was being attacke
30 ME AVN FAN : "his peers" ? that was Iran, and Iran had nothing to suffer, nothing at all. The Republic of Lebanon was NOT "his peers". "central instigator" is an
31 EK156 : Sovereign state???? More like a forced state and an occupier!!! You talk like Israel is innocent here!!! It is an OCCUPIER and an OPRESSOR.... Occupa
32 ME AVN FAN : in the West, Israel is regarded as THE innocent country, just threatened by evil people. THEIR wellbeing has top priority all the time ...........
33 LY744 : ...especially jews in the middle east. LY744.
34 Post contains images Cedars747 : Somewhere between Lebanon and Iran Alex!!!
35 Tu204 : Alot of countries, including the Russian Federation do not consider Hezbollah to be a terrorist organisation.
36 TNNH : Nobody believes that bullshit anymore. Sorry.
37 L410Turbolet : And this should surprise who?
38 Tu204 : Ummm, lets see, if was formed to fight the illegal occupation of Lebanon by Israeli forces in the 80's. So tell me why Hezbollah should be considered
39 Post contains images MIAMIx707 : I understand your point. Now lets see, if you stick your hand through a fence and you know there's a dog on the other side that can bite you, (and it
40 Aviationwiz : The same reason the US Army shouldn't be considered a terrorist organization. It is the military arm of a legitimate country, as opposed to an illega
41 Tu204 : Once can argue about how legitimate of a country Israel is...
42 Post contains images MIAMIx707 : lol good answer I would not have any respect for my government if they didn't consider terrorists a group whose idea is to destroy a neighboring coun
43 Tu204 : Hezobollah was formed to fight off an illegal Israeli occupation of Lebanon. They were defending their own country against an agressor. Their only ac
44 Post contains images QR332 : I disagree... Hezbollah is still strong, the soldiers aren't back, the Lebanese Shi'aa still support Hezbollah, and none of the stated goals were ach
45 MIAMIx707 : Not among the Western powers that usually are the ones that have to go try to clean up the mess diplomatically as usual after the kids start doing st
46 Tu204 : You are saying that the Russian government is stupid. Let me remind you, we do not make knee-jerk reactions that end up destroying entires countries
47 Post contains images Cedars747 : Oh no ! Chuck Norris can do this mission Alex!!!
48 Post contains images KevinL1011 : Chuck Norris? He's such a kaker! Here's 'da man fo da job! There's no need to fear...SuperJew is here!
49 Post contains images ME AVN FAN : - I do NOT support Hizbullah or Hamas, and not even President Ahmedinejad, so that I feel totally innocent of that
50 Post contains images L410Turbolet : *cough* Chechnya *cough*... plus you don't want to get into discussion abou the "blessings" the Evil Empire aka USSR caused around the world by expor
51 Post contains images QR332 : I'm going to ask you a question you've never answered so far... if they are really criminals, why not put them on trial? I mean, its been a long time
52 Post contains images Cedars747 : Hehe What about this one Fear Fear Fear....HIZBALLA is here ! Alex!!!
53 Falcon84 : Does Afghanistan ring a bell?
54 ME AVN FAN : do you now just speak about the government of the Russian Federation from 1991 onwards ? and NOT about the "Russian-dominated" one of the USSR ?
55 Post contains images LY744 : That's right, the trick is to keep pretending that those countries are part of Russia. Because what happens in Russia, stays in Russia. What a gem. T
56 Falcon84 : They didn't lose, QR, that's the point. They did considerable damage to Hezbollah, it's command and control, it's arms network. Did they wipe them ou
57 Post contains images Tu204 : Well, considering that you are a Czhech nationalist, I think we can all disregard this "evil empire" talk from you. You mean that place that you supp
58 LY744 : How many times have you been to Chechnya? How many Chechens did you survey? Just remember to mention this whenever you post in an Arab-Israel thread.
59 Post contains images MIAMIx707 : Not sure if your taking into account Russia (USSR days) or Russia right now? If you include the track record of the USSR days, you are either somehow
60 Tu204 : Once. My neighbours from the apartment above me are Chechens from Chechnya, very good people I might add. All they want is peace and for their rights
61 QR332 : Even the Israelis themselves think they lost! What did they gain, Falcon? They have never, I repeat, never been hit at home like they were during thi
62 LY744 : I think that Israel ain't going nowhere. I also don't remember any Lebanese militias firing rockets on Syria, even though the Syrian military was in
63 DL021 : except that France and Russia were not occupied for allowing people on their side of the border to attack Germany. They were occupied because Germany
64 Tu204 : Maybe there is more to the Lebanon issue than just a simple Israeli occupation, but Palestine was occupied for absolutely no reason...just that the U
65 LY744 : OK, so tell me QR, in 1948, how did this handful of Jews from all over the world manage to take over all that wonderful land from the Palestinians, w
66 QR332 : Whats your point here? The Jewish forces had much better strategies than the Arab ones and were much more determined and organised. I think the Jewis
67 Tu204 : So what? Lets say we relocate a handfull of jews and create a second Israel in southern ontario (that is the most populated and "best" spot in Canada
68 Post contains images L410Turbolet : Never heard of spellcheck, huh?   Besides, you fit the definition of a nationalist better than I could ever do and it's not my problem you were taug
69 Clipperhawaii : It seems that these soldiers (dead soldiers) are just like the question of this thread, they have become insignificant.
70 EK156 : If you go back to the history books, you will see clearly that the movement to kick out the Palestinians and form a Jewish State was started by the Z
71 ME AVN FAN : it is a bit deplorable that you two bash each other, while your countries BOTH rather have been victims of the same system for a long time. That "his
72 ME AVN FAN : There apparently are quite good hopes that they still are ALIVE and well, and that they have become "insignificant" is rather good for them. As long
73 L410Turbolet : Overdone? That's your opinion. In my opinion if anythings overdone then it's EU's "foreign policy" (god knows who they represent since member countri
74 ME AVN FAN : the EU foreign policy is quite well even-handed in regard to Palestine/Israel and to be praised for that. It is the compromise of the "heavy-weights"
75 Post contains images Tu204 : Well, I am not the idiot that bashes every single Aeroflot thread
76 Post contains images ME AVN FAN : be careful !
77 L410Turbolet : Running out of arguments so you have to call other people names, Tu? What's next? Are you gonna e-mail me obscenities like Pulokovokiwi? Or send thre
78 Post contains images ME AVN FAN : please abstain from suggesting deletion of his last post ! even if you are entitled to do so ! thanks - while the one of Pulkovokiwi sounds like a ra
79 Post contains images Tu204 : Just stating the obvious. No, I have plenty more, but it seems that they go right by your ears (or eyes). I don't need to send any threats to you bec
80 Post contains images Skyway1 : Same can be said with suicide bombings and kidnappings of Israeli soliers....
81 Post contains images MIAMIx707 : Are you serious man? Pretty sad there are human beings on a.net that think this way. Unbelievable. So with that same logic we shoudln't care if most
82 ME AVN FAN : President Abbas was and is exactly this, he from the beginning renounced terror and embraced progress and reconciliation. And so did the prime-minist
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