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US Citizens Would U Like Your State 2 Be A Country  
User currently offlineF.pier From Italy, joined Aug 2000, 1523 posts, RR: 9
Posted (7 years 12 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2220 times:

Do you feel more "American" or more "Citizen of your state"? Would you prefer to be independent or this situation is better?

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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29795 posts, RR: 58
Reply 1, posted (7 years 12 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2211 times:

Yes.

I vote Alaska Independence Party for that reason.

HTTP://www.akip.org



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User currently offlineSearpqx From Netherlands, joined Jun 2000, 4344 posts, RR: 10
Reply 2, posted (7 years 12 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2205 times:

No, I'm very happy to be a resident of the State of Washington and a citizen of the United States. While much of what happens in DC makes me shake my head, I think I, and most other people (as well as the individual states) are much better off as part of the whole.

Edited to add: I'll predict that L-188 is in the minority on this one. Other than Hawaii, I've never heard any significant discussion on the topic, even in Alaska.

[Edited 2006-08-26 09:09:20]


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User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (7 years 12 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2205 times:

I'm quite happy with Alaska as a part of the United States. The benefits far outweigh the negatives. While things that occur in Washington DC these days has to make one wonder if we've not been invaded by E.T. and company - the benefits related to being a part of the Union are unquestionable.

User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29795 posts, RR: 58
Reply 4, posted (7 years 12 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2186 times:

Quoting L-188 (Reply 1):
Edited to add: I'll predict that L-188 is in the minority on this one.

The AIP has some 13,000 registered voters in Alaska.

But I will agree the Hawaiian Monarchy probably has a stronger case at the moment.

One weakness is the AIP's reference back to UN mandates that where not followed by the US in the years leading up to the statehood vote.

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 3):
The benefits far outweigh the negatives. While things that occur in Washington DC these days has to make one wonder if we've not been invaded by E.T. and company - the benefits related to being a part of the Union are unquestionable

Well for the record, I would prefer to part on friendly terms.



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User currently offlineMdsh00 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4124 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (7 years 12 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2178 times:

I'm perfectly fine with California being a part of the US. Though I still think it would be pretty interesting if it were a country. Of course, being the 7th largest economy in the world if it were its own country.


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User currently offlineKevinL1011 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 2964 posts, RR: 48
Reply 6, posted (7 years 12 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2178 times:

Lessee.... scratchchin 

President Schwarzenegger ? Too scary.

Premier Schwarzenegger ? Sounds like a Bratwurst manufacturer.

Emperor Schwarzenegger ? Too difficult for the media to pronounce.

Prime Minister Schwarzenegger ? Awwww, forget it!

....and the candidates for our next election are even worse!

Even though California's economy is supposed to be in the worlds top 10, this place is more of a state of mind than a state of the union.  crazy 



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User currently offlineScintx From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 270 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (7 years 12 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2114 times:

My state use to be an independent nation from 1836-1845. It was called the Republic of Texas. I'm not sure if I would like to be a separate nation. I'm tired of the crap out of DC, but being independent also has it's issues.


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User currently offlineSlamClick From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 10062 posts, RR: 68
Reply 8, posted (7 years 12 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2111 times:

Yeah, I'd like Nevada to be an independant nation for just a month or two. Just long enough to kick California's butt in a war, re-draw the state lines giving them Las Vegas and us the north coast. Then we rejoin the USA.


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User currently offlineKevinL1011 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 2964 posts, RR: 48
Reply 9, posted (7 years 12 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2107 times:

Quoting Scintx (Reply 7):
Just long enough to kick California's butt in a war,

Dude!
You can HAVE it!



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User currently offlineDL021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11447 posts, RR: 75
Reply 10, posted (7 years 12 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2094 times:
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No....our nation is stronger together. Independently we'd be worse than Europe since they've moved towards amalgamation.

Quoting L-188 (Reply 1):
Yes.

I vote Alaska Independence Party for that reason.

You and 12 other people.......

Quoting L-188 (Reply 4):
The AIP has some 13,000 registered voters in Alaska.

OK...but how many of them really believe that Alaska could take care of itself? It'll never happen, and to spend time or money on it borders on sedition.

Quoting L-188 (Reply 4):
But I will agree the Hawaiian Monarchy probably has a stronger case at the moment.

I'll agree with that except that the citizens of Hawaii, if polled, would never leave the Union.

Quoting KevinL1011 (Reply 6):
Emperor Schwarzenegger ? Too difficult for the media to pronounce.

Sounds like a decent beer, though.....



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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26426 posts, RR: 76
Reply 11, posted (7 years 12 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2063 times:

Quoting L-188 (Reply 1):
I vote Alaska Independence Party for that reason.

The quote on the top of their homepage is one of a terrorist. That gives them plenty of cred  sarcastic 

Quoting Mdsh00 (Reply 5):
Of course, being the 7th largest economy in the world if it were its own country.

Not to mention a larger population than Canada

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 8):
Just long enough to kick California's butt in a war, re-draw the state lines giving them Las Vegas and us the north coast.

Yeah, as if that would happen. Would you throw sand and gambling chips at us?



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User currently offlineUsnseallt82 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 4891 posts, RR: 52
Reply 12, posted (7 years 12 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2061 times:

Quoting F.pier (Thread starter):
US Citizens Would U Like Your State 2 Be A Country

Well hell yes.

Signed,
Texas  bigthumbsup 



Crye me a river
User currently offlineSearpqx From Netherlands, joined Jun 2000, 4344 posts, RR: 10
Reply 13, posted (7 years 12 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2048 times:

Quoting DL021 (Reply 10):
I'll agree with that except that the citizens of Hawaii, if polled, would never leave the Union.

Last polls I saw, that even if restricted to those with Hawaiian ancestry, the vote wouldn't be to leave. Throw in all of the transplants from everywhere else, and its never going to happen. They have some legitimate gripes, that need to be addressed, but secession is never going to be an option.



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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29795 posts, RR: 58
Reply 14, posted (7 years 12 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2039 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 11):
The quote on the top of their homepage is one of a terrorist. That gives them plenty of cred

Ohhh they changed their homepage since the last time I looked at it. I now have to register to get on to the forums there.

But back to your comment, I don't think we can call Jefferson Davis a terrorist in today's sense.

But I would agree they need to change that....Something by Thomas Jefferson would be much more appropriate for the cause.



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User currently offlineSlamClick From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 10062 posts, RR: 68
Reply 15, posted (7 years 12 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2038 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 11):
Yeah, as if that would happen. Would you throw sand and gambling chips at us?

"Us" I thought you were French or Iranian or something.

No, we would throw the California National Guard at you. They hate your liberal ass! They would side with us against Sacramento and Marin County and Barbara Streisand in a heartbeat. Especially when they see how we'd re-draw the map.

Maybe the guys who gassed the hippies at UC Berkeley would come out of retirement. They were very proud of that moment.



Happiness is not seeing another trite Ste. Maarten photo all week long.
User currently offlineATCT From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 2285 posts, RR: 38
Reply 16, posted (7 years 12 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2025 times:

Quoting Usnseallt82 (Reply 12):
Well hell yes.

Signed,
Texas

Dont mess with texas!

-ATCT (Soon to be Texas Citizen)



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User currently offlineAirCop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (7 years 12 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1999 times:

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 8):
Just long enough to kick California's butt in a war, re-draw the state lines giving them Las Vegas and us the north coast.

You want the north coast of California for what? Pot? Strange dudes living up there. Alot on the public dole. (Lived seven years in Crescent City)

Now living in Arizona. Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't I in Mexico now???


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26426 posts, RR: 76
Reply 18, posted (7 years 12 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1990 times:

Quoting AirCop (Reply 17):
Now living in Arizona. Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't I in Mexico now???

Do you still work for the CHP?

Quoting L-188 (Reply 14):
But back to your comment, I don't think we can call Jefferson Davis a terrorist in today's sense.

Strikes me as a bit like ETA really.



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User currently offlineDL021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11447 posts, RR: 75
Reply 19, posted (7 years 12 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 1981 times:
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Quoting N1120A (Reply 11):

Yeah, as if that would happen. Would you throw sand and gambling chips at us?

Hey, that irradiated sand is plenty dangerous.....ask John Wayne...oh wait...the cancer got him! (Well, he was 76 or something and he lived the last 20 with only one lung)....



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User currently offlineCaptaink From Mexico, joined May 2001, 5109 posts, RR: 12
Reply 20, posted (7 years 12 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 1978 times:

Hmm NY could be an independant country. Pretty much is already when you really think of it Big grin.

But it was, as Cali would be the the 7th largest economy in the world, what would NY be? Is it up there too?



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User currently offlineAirCop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (7 years 12 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 1978 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 18):
Do you still work for the CHP?

Retired, last duty station was Crescent City; loggers v. tree huggers, pot growers v. DEA. fisherman v. indians; then the state constructed a super max prison, which results unemployed locals v. inmate families..Well rounded expercience, now again SlamClick why would Nevada want the North Coast.


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26426 posts, RR: 76
Reply 22, posted (7 years 12 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 1973 times:

Quoting Captaink (Reply 20):
But it was, as Cali would be the the 7th largest economy in the world, what would NY be? Is it up there too?

New York is just over half the size of California. That alone makes its economy significantly smaller.



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User currently offlineSlamClick From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 10062 posts, RR: 68
Reply 23, posted (7 years 12 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 1964 times:

Quoting AirCop (Reply 21):
now again SlamClick why would Nevada want the North Coast.

I want to run everyone out of the counties who has lived there for less than two generations. Call in an airstrike on every Lincoln Navigator seen carrying a thousand feet of PVC pipe in the back (you know who I mean) Run the multinational conglomerates out of the timber business and go back to selective logging. Most of all, I want a delicious meal of spotted owl on a bed of fresh redwood shoots.

Since the new nation of Nevada will not have welfare the hippies will move out of their yurts and VW buses and go back to new California. Nevada will need a seaport. Eureka will do fine or maybe we move the Oakland container port up to San Pablo Bay.



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User currently offlineAirCop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (7 years 12 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 1954 times:

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 23):
Call in an airstrike on every Lincoln Navigator seen carrying a thousand feet of PVC pipe in the back (you know who I mean) Run the multinational conglomerates out of the timber business and go back to selective logging. Most of all, I want a delicious meal of spotted owl on a bed of fresh redwood shoots.

 bouncy  Works for me...


25 Post contains images LH423 : With the way this country is going lately, I'd be perfectly happy if the New England states separated from the US or became part of Canada LH423
26 SCCutler : Well yes, and I imagine the rest of us would not much miss you, either. Au Revoir.
27 Post contains images FlyingTexan : Hell ya! I may soon return to my Home State of Texas. I was born here, bred here, and when I die, I’ll be Texas dead. Turning in my Texas Driver's L
28 Post contains images Texan : Texas born, Texas bred, and when I die I'll be Texas dead But no, Texas should not be an independent country. If you think the national budget is mis
29 Post contains images Usnseallt82 : Well, you could just look at how many times the Texas constitution has been rewritten. But that's not the point. Texas should be its own country for
30 PSA53 : I'm a nationalist Californian, and If any state would be successful after secession,it would be California.But secession itself,would not be graceful
31 Post contains images DeltaGator : While I'll always be a native Floridian Cracker and an honorary Georgia Cracker and proud of both of my states (other than those Yankee tools in South
32 Post contains images MigFan : I just wish the state of mind would stay in CA and not infect the rest of the country. My state is already like it's own country. Florida too... /M
33 Falstaff : I like being part of the big picture. I don't think Michigan could stand on its own these days.
34 DL021 : The oath I swore was to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States of America. United we Stand...Divided we Fall. I guess that says it a
35 Captaink : I didn't want to assume that.
36 Gunsontheroof : There are some small Cascadian independence movements that I sympathize with that are pushing for an autonomous state composed of Western Washington a
37 TNNH : American first, Floridian second.
38 AirCop : In December 1941, the Northern California counties of Del Norte, Siskiyou, and the Southern Oregon counties of Curry, Jackson and Josephine were plan
39 Post contains images Falcon84 : I feel more an American than an Ohioan. But if Ohio left the Union, the way it's been run into the ground the last decade and a half, I'd defect to P
40 Cadet57 : I shudder to think how we Massholes could surrvive on our own... Hell we cant build a tunnel without something going wrong...
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