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User currently offlineGSOShutout55 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 126 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 1499 times:

Let me start this off by saying that I'm not looking to get out of my ticket-which I deserve- in any way; I'm merely looking for a way to minimize the impact on my insurance.

I'm a 17 year old driver, been driving for 2 years, accident and ticket free. I ran a red light two days ago, and was pulled for that. I don't know that it will make my insurance skyrocket, but I have a good idea that it will. I'll be contacting a traffic lawyer monday to get his opinion.

What are my options? I know people have gotten out of 40+ speeding tickets, but I'm not really trying to get out of mine, just figure out a way so I get charged for something that doesn't make my insurance rates skyrocket. Any ideas or people that have been in similiar situations?


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User currently offlineBaylorairbear From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 2913 posts, RR: 50
Reply 1, posted (8 years 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 1497 times:

You can always ask to speak to the judge, and simply explain your situation to him. They are usually willing to help.

Also, take defensive driving. In most states, if you take defensive driving within a certain amount of time, then show proof of completing the class, they will dismiss your ticket. I think you can only do this once every three years.

Good luck,

BAB  wave 



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User currently offlineAirCop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (8 years 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 1493 times:

Many states offer a traffic school option. Go to school and the ticket is dismissed. What a lovely way to spend a day. Then again in some states since you're 17 you still have to see the judge with your parents.

[Edited 2006-08-26 16:43:27]

User currently offlineCadet57 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 9085 posts, RR: 30
Reply 3, posted (8 years 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 1476 times:

Wait. Did you get a ticket? Or not? Either way, a red light isnt bad per insurance. Considering the fine is only about 100 bucks. Here in Ma, it'd only jump about a couple hundred bucks.

Quoting GSOShutout55 (Thread starter):
Let me start this off by saying that I'm not looking to get out of my ticket-which I deserve- in any way



Quoting GSOShutout55 (Thread starter):
I'm merely looking for a way to minimize the impact on my insurance.

Well, as others said to me when I got a speeding ticket. Just pay it, take your licks and be done with it. Its easier that way. Cout will cost somethin like 60 bucks, you miss a day of school or work, meaning missed class or pay. Then theres still no guarntee of you winning. Its a red light... Just pay it, it'll be easier in the long run.



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User currently offlineGo3Team From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3267 posts, RR: 16
Reply 4, posted (8 years 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 1476 times:

Is the court date in Greensboro? I once got a speeding ticket (in a construction area as well) and had to go to Greensboro to fight it. When I showed up, it was basically a date just to plead guilty or not guilty. If you pleaded not guilty, they gave you another date to come down and fight it. When I showed up on the 2nd date, they had over 600 people scheduled that day. Most of the morning, the courthouse staff spent wheeling and dealing with the defendants. I was finally called, and was asked if I wanted to plea down to defective equipment on the condition of traffic school. I already had the certificate from a traffic school for another ticket, showed it to the lady, and she accepted it. I paid the fine + $100 court costs (wtf is up with that NC?) and went home. Paying that was a lot better than the $350 it would have cost, which was why I was fighting it in the first place.


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User currently offlineSlamClick From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 10062 posts, RR: 68
Reply 5, posted (8 years 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 1471 times:

Quoting GSOShutout55 (Thread starter):
I know people have gotten out of 40+ speeding tickets, but

You may know people who claim to have done this, but the odds are if a person gets spotted that many times for a ticketable offense such a person would have crashed out of the game a long time ago. People will tell you all kinds of things. A one-armed wino once told me he was the national rodeo champion. I suspect it isn't true.

First off, is a red light a 'moving violation' in your state. It can be out here. That can be worse.

If driving school is an option this might be a good use of it. And be careful until you are twenty five. Your insurance is going to cost a young fortune anyway.

Good luck



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User currently offlineGSOShutout55 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 126 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (8 years 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 1466 times:

Yes, it is in Greensboro. It's only a $50 ticket but a $110 court fee? WTF. Thanks for the advice though, I'm going to look in to a driving safety school. I know some friends that have been through those.


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User currently offlineGo3Team From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3267 posts, RR: 16
Reply 7, posted (8 years 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 1459 times:

Quoting GSOShutout55 (Reply 6):
I'm going to look in to a driving safety school.

It would most likely only help if directed by the court. Show up to court and ask for it. You will still have to pay the fines, etc. NC must be raking in a fortune with their costs of court. If its now $110, they seem to enjoy raising it every few years as well.



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User currently offlineUsnseallt82 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 4891 posts, RR: 52
Reply 8, posted (8 years 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 1452 times:

Quoting GSOShutout55 (Thread starter):
What are my options?

Go take a driving school. You can even do one online, like http://www.idrivesafely.com .

I know for a fact that Greensboro offers it.  Big grin



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User currently offlineKevinL1011 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 2964 posts, RR: 48
Reply 9, posted (8 years 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 1448 times:

Ever heard of "Trial by Declaration"?
Read the back side of the citation in faint grey print so you can hardly read it.

Basically, you write a statement to the judge telling your side and the Policeman must do likewise. Wait until the deadline to better the chance that the patrolman may have forgotten some details or discards his notes.

My son Patrick got written for 105 mph on the 210 freeway by a CHP Motor Officer and got out of it this way. And then he got nailed again 3 weeks later in Upland by ANOTHER Motor Officer and dodged that one too.

I'm not saying Patrick was right...but he knows how to work the system.



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User currently offlineAirCop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (8 years 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 1429 times:

Quoting KevinL1011 (Reply 9):
My son Patrick got written for 105 mph on the 210 freeway by a CHP Motor Officer and got out of it this way. And then he got nailed again 3 weeks later in Upland by ANOTHER Motor Officer and dodged that one too.

At least we're doing our job..

Quoting KevinL1011 (Reply 9):
Ever heard of "Trial by Declaration"?
Read the back side of the citation in faint grey print so you can hardly read it.

Basically, you write a statement to the judge telling your side and the Policeman must do likewise. Wait until the deadline to better the chance that the patrolman may have forgotten some details or discards his notes.

Hated those things, half the time the court forgot to send them to the officers. (Some counties only allowed out of area drivers to do that) When I worked in Los Angeles, the traffic court judges wanted a certain pct. found non-gulity, what better to do this than trial by declaration, the officer will never know. Besides we got a min. of four hours overtime for a court case.

[Edited 2006-08-26 21:21:51]

User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26444 posts, RR: 75
Reply 11, posted (8 years 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 1421 times:

Quoting Baylorairbear (Reply 1):
I think you can only do this once every three years.

In California, it is once every 18 months and the loophole is that it is per type of infraction. Hence, you can do it for a speeding ticket and a red light within that same 18 months

Quoting KevinL1011 (Reply 9):
Ever heard of "Trial by Declaration"?

Yeah, I actually did that for a bullpuckey ticket for window tint and front license plate and lost. I should have actually taken it to court.



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User currently offlineCoal From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 2020 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (8 years 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 1412 times:

1st Ticket: 85mph on a 55mph. $180 + points or traffic school = Paid lawyer $50 and took care of it
2nd Ticket: 84mph on a 55mph (same area, same cop!). $180 + points or traffic school = Paid lawyer $50 and took care of it
3rd Ticket: 107mph on a 70mph. $320 + points or traffic school = Paid lawyer $50 plus $35 for traffic school and 4hrs of my life

I also once got a "warning" for doing 71mph on a 35mph. I couldn't frigging believe it. I was ready to be handcuffed!

Moral of the story: Do get yourself a good lawyer!

Coal



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User currently offlineFlyVirgin744 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 1313 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (8 years 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 1407 times:

You could technically fight the ticket. Request the traffic signal's timesheet and read what the yellow time is for the movement you ran. The yellow time might be to short. However if you say you blatently ran the light then nevermind. I'm not sure what the law is in your state, but in Florida if the first molecule of your car is over the leading stopbar when the signal turns red, you are safe, because then there is an all red time before the next conflicting movement gets the green signal.

This is not meant to be a "how do I get out of this" beat the system answer. Yellow times are calculated on a per intersection per movement basis. There are several factors that go into the yellow time calculation. If the intersection has not been retimed in a while, the yellow times might be out of date. This only applies if you ran the light no more than 1 second after it turned red.



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User currently offline57AZ From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 2550 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (8 years 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1354 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 11):
Quoting Baylorairbear (Reply 1):
I think you can only do this once every three years.

In California, it is once every 18 months and the loophole is that it is per type of infraction. Hence, you can do it for a speeding ticket and a red light within that same 18 months

Here in Arizona, it's every twenty four months from the date of the last previous infraction for Traffic Survival School and the diversion program. However, the catch is that if you have a Commercial Driver's License, the court can order you to Traffic Survival School but you cannot take the diversion. In otherwords, they can make TSS attendance mandatory as a condition for retaining your license but state law requires that the conviction go on your record and you pay the citation because of your status as a professional driver. Bottom line-since I hold a Commercial Driver's License if I am cited for a traffic infraction while driving my personal vehicle, I cannot use TSS as a diversion.

[Edited 2006-08-27 12:35:59]


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User currently offlineLOT767-300ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (8 years 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1344 times:

Quoting Baylorairbear (Reply 1):
Also, take defensive driving. In most states, if you take defensive driving within a certain amount of time, then show proof of completing the class, they will dismiss your ticket. I think you can only do this once every three years.

This is 2x every 12 months in the state of Illinois.

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 5):
You may know people who claim to have done this, but the odds are if a person gets spotted that many times for a ticketable offense such a person would have crashed out of the game a long time ago. People will tell you all kinds of things. A one-armed wino once told me he was the national rodeo champion. I suspect it isn't true.

My friend has gotten out of tickets this way with a traffic lawyer in Cook County...I know, I went to court with him several times. Dude drives a VW GTI VR6 like there is no yesterday.

Quoting Coal (Reply 12):
1st Ticket: 85mph on a 55mph. $180 + points or traffic school = Paid lawyer $50 and took care of it
2nd Ticket: 84mph on a 55mph (same area, same cop!). $180 + points or traffic school = Paid lawyer $50 and took care of it
3rd Ticket: 107mph on a 70mph. $320 + points or traffic school = Paid lawyer $50 plus $35 for traffic school and 4hrs of my life

Rape. Tickets in IL are only either $75 or $95.

Quoting Coal (Reply 12):
I also once got a "warning" for doing 71mph on a 35mph. I couldn't frigging believe it. I was ready to be handcuffed!

Why would you be handcuffed...only +36mph over the limit not +40mph and over.


User currently offlineCPDC10-30 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2000, 4781 posts, RR: 23
Reply 16, posted (8 years 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1333 times:

Quoting Coal (Reply 12):
Moral of the story: Do get yourself a good lawyer!

Moral of the story: slow down!


User currently offlineBHXFAOTIPYYC From Portugal, joined Jun 2005, 1644 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (8 years 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1333 times:

Quoting GSOShutout55 (Thread starter):
Let me start this off by saying that I'm not looking to get out of my ticket-which I deserve

Why? Was the it an orange went red situation, or did you blaze through a red light? The first everyone has done, the second is highly dangerous.

At least you have some options in the US. Here, get a ticket and on it is always a minimum/maximum amount to pay, say Eur 150-600. The mimimum is the voluntary amount. Go to court and loose, and you pay the maximum, the option to pay the minimum is long gone. Technicalities don't work well here either. My boss at the time got a time for driving in a bus lane she hadn't noticed in Lisbon (we don't have any down here on the coast), but they'd written the wrong date down. When she called them about it, the answer was "so what you still have to pay!" The law is on the side of the State always.



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User currently offlineLOT767-300ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (8 years 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 1322 times:

Quoting BHXFAOTIPYYC (Reply 17):
When she called them about it, the answer was "so what you still have to pay!" The law is on the side of the State always.

Thank god thats not the case in Cook County, IL  Wink


User currently offlineDc10s4ever From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (8 years 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 1310 times:

Since you are only 17, I would personally ignor it. It will not follow you once you are past 18. A traffic ticket is nothing but a bunch of crap, and the cops that issue them are nothing but over paid arrogant revenue collectors. Trash the ticket.

User currently offlineBigOrange From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 2364 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (8 years 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1275 times:

Quoting Go3Team (Reply 4):
she accepted it. I paid the fine + $100 court costs (wtf is up with that NC?) and went home.

Just goes to prove, that you weren't ticketed for driving dangerously, by going through a red light, but they were happy to accept the lower revenue, without doing any work!!

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 5):
You may know people who claim to have done this, but the odds are if a person gets spotted that many times for a ticketable offense such a person would have crashed out of the game a long time ago

I think he meant tickets for going 40 over the limit, not 40 tickets!

Quoting Coal (Reply 12):
Moral of the story: Do get yourself a good lawyer

Or become friends with a cop who's willing to plead your case with the cop that ticketed you. My brother-in-law got a ticket for doing 92 in a 35. He called his friend who is a cop, who called the other cop and got it reduced to a parking ticket! This was between 2 jurisdictions in totally different states.

Oh and don't bother with the lawyer, it's not worth $300. Just plea bargain it directly at the court!


User currently offlineItsjustme From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 2768 posts, RR: 9
Reply 21, posted (8 years 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1254 times:

Quoting Dc10s4ever (Reply 19):
Since you are only 17, I would personally ignor it. It will not follow you once you are past 18. A traffic ticket is nothing but a bunch of crap, and the cops that issue them are nothing but over paid arrogant revenue collectors. Trash the ticket.

Yes, by all means, take this fine advice!

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User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (8 years 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1252 times:

Quoting Dc10s4ever (Reply 19):
Since you are only 17, I would personally ignor it. It will not follow you once you are past 18. A traffic ticket is nothing but a bunch of crap, and the cops that issue them are nothing but over paid arrogant revenue collectors. Trash the ticket.

Ahhh, the voice of stupidity . . . .

At least it's consistent.

Yeah, go ahead and ignore the ticket . . . . I'm sure you'll ignore the Bench Warrant too . . . .


User currently offlineCFCUQ From Canada, joined Sep 2005, 712 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (8 years 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1247 times:

Quoting CPDC10-30 (Reply 16):
Moral of the story: slow down!



Quoting GSOShutout55 (Thread starter):
Let me start this off by saying that I'm not looking to get out of my ticket

Know what? You got lucky. You didn't injure yourself, or anyone else. If the defensive driving/traffic school is an option to reduce your penalty, take it.
I admire your acceptance of responsibility, please get further training, you were perhaps not ready to solo, and its not a unique thing. I look forward to you coming at me in an intersection with full training and confidence.


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