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Arabic T-shirt Causes Commotion @ JFK  
User currently offlineCefarix From Pakistan, joined May 2006, 33 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 4682 times:

Sorry if this has already been posted...I did a search and didn't find anything.

Quote:

An architect of Iraqi descent has said he was forced to remove a T-shirt that bore the words "We will not be silent" before boarding a flight at New York.

Raed Jarrar said security officials warned him his clothing was offensive after he checked in for a JetBlue flight to California on 12 August.

Mr Jarrar said he was shocked such an action could be taken in the US.

US transport officials are conducting an inquiry after a complaint from the US Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee.

JetBlue said it was also investigating the incident but a spokeswoman said: "We're not clear exactly what happened."

Original story by BBC here

That's unbelievable...will people be stopped from travelling on airplanes simply because their clothing has a foreign language on it?  Angry I wonder what complaint the passengers would have had had they been travelling on an airline like Emirates or Gulf Air...that the safety-cards are written in Arabic?  Yeah sure

I think it would have been better if JetBlue had simply told those passengers that they could leave off the flight if they were offended by a piece of Arabic writing.

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User currently offlineBill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8451 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (8 years 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 4663 times:

Yeah, every arab is a terrorist  Yeah sure give me a break.

User currently offlineDeaphen From India, joined Jul 2005, 1426 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (8 years 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 4641 times:

thats just pathetic. and a little extreme. hmmmmm not good


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User currently offlineItsjustme From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 2768 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (8 years 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 4620 times:

Quoting Cefarix (Thread starter):
I think it would have been better if JetBlue had simply told those passengers that they could leave off the flight if they were offended by a piece of Arabic writing.

Tough call on the part of JetBlue. Do you appease one passenger who, like it or not, probably used less than good judgement by wearing the t-shirt or, do you respect the wishes of "a number of passengers" and ask the man to remove the offending shirt?

Quoting Cefarix (Thread starter):
I wonder what complaint the passengers would have had had they been travelling on an airline like Emirates or Gulf Air...that the safety-cards are written in Arabic?

Apples and oranges. This was a flight in, not only an American city, but a city that is about to see the 5th anniversary of the darkest day it has ever experienced. Kudos to JetBlue.


User currently offlineSingapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13742 posts, RR: 19
Reply 4, posted (8 years 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 4602 times:

My normal response would be that the handful of passengers should get a slap.

Then...

Quoting Itsjustme (Reply 3):
Do you appease one passenger who, like it or not, probably used less than good judgement by wearing the t-shirt

Respect works two ways. This is not a case of pure racism which it suddenly is becoming the norm nowadays. He wore that t-shirt to draw attention to himself as he thought it was a good way of passive protesting. Common sense would care to disagree. He probably got high out of the commotion he caused and his subsequent media interviews.

Alas for this, I side with the authorities. Authorities are normally stupid. If you give them ammo, you're going to be scrounging for sympathy.

For shame.



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User currently offlineCodeshare From Poland, joined Sep 2002, 1854 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (8 years 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 4590 times:

I wonder what eould happen if somebody boarded the JetBlue a/c with a "I like Southwest Airlines' T-shirt...

KS/codeshare



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User currently offlineBaexecutive From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 744 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (8 years 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 4590 times:

Quoting Itsjustme (Reply 3):
Kudos to JetBlue.

I agree, good call Jetblue!


User currently offlineA3xx900 From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 335 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 4590 times:

Quoting Itsjustme (Reply 3):
This was a flight in, not only an American city, but a city that is about to see the 5th anniversary of the darkest day it has ever experienced. Kudos to JetBlue.

Are you serious? It was just a t-shirt!

Caution ok. But don't slip into paranoia.



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User currently offlineDeaphen From India, joined Jul 2005, 1426 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (8 years 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 4566 times:

Quoting Cefarix (Thread starter):
think it would have been better if JetBlue had simply told those passengers that they could leave off the flight if they were offended by a piece of Arabic writing.



Quoting Cefarix (Thread starter):
An architect of Iraqi descent has said he was forced to remove a T-shirt that bore the words "We will not be silent" before boarding a flight at New York.

HUH? it doesnt make sense... was the writing in arabic and meant "we will not be silent" or did it just say the words. In which case, how did they know it was arabic and if it was arabic.. how did they know what it meant?
Something doesnt quite add up.

regards
nitin



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User currently offlineFLYACYYZ From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 1914 posts, RR: 11
Reply 9, posted (8 years 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 4537 times:

North American kids (amongst others), wear tear shirts printed with explitives, and profanities, that are far more shocking than "We will not be silent". Give it a rest.


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User currently offlineItsjustme From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 2768 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (8 years 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 4537 times:

Quoting Deaphen (Reply 8):

HUH? it doesnt make sense... was the writing in arabic and meant "we will not be silent" or did it just say the words. In which case, how did they know it was arabic and if it was arabic.. how did they know what it meant?

Mr Jarrar's black cotton T-shirt bore the slogan in both Arabic and English.

[Edited 2006-08-30 14:24:10]

User currently offlineAkjetBlue From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 790 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (8 years 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 4504 times:

Quoting Deaphen (Reply 8):
HUH? it doesnt make sense... was the writing in arabic and meant "we will not be silent" or did it just say the words. In which case, how did they know it was arabic and if it was arabic.. how did they know what it meant?
Something doesnt quite add up.

regards
nitin

IIRC it was written in both Arabic and English.

Either way it's my opinion that it violates freedom of speech and freedom of expression. It's not what this country stands for and shows that no matter what even in NY there are still narrow minded people.

Sad really, to ask someone to change what they're wearing because "they" don't feel its appropriate. If it said something disrespectful or showed harmful intent then I could see this but from what's been said in the articles it doesn't seem this should have been warnted.

just my .02



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User currently offlineSingapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13742 posts, RR: 19
Reply 12, posted (8 years 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 4472 times:

Open the news article people.



Caption (BBC): A demonstrator wears a similar T-shirt at a New York protest in July



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User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (8 years 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 4453 times:

Hmmm, seems to me JetBlue did just fine.

As ItsJustMe wrote here:

Quoting Itsjustme (Reply 3):
Tough call on the part of JetBlue. Do you appease one passenger who, like it or not, probably used less than good judgement by wearing the t-shirt or, do you respect the wishes of "a number of passengers" and ask the man to remove the offending shirt?

And they might have saved the passenger with the offending T-Shirt some further heartache in the form of an asswhipping by a (or some) disgruntled passenger(s) . . . who may or may not have lost someone or knew someone lost on 9/11. Since the flight originated at JFK, it's a fair bet a good portion of those boarding passengers were at least in the NYC area on 9/11. It's also a good bet their animosity and sensitivity towards issues relating to 9/11 are still piqued.

Quoting AkjetBlue (Reply 11):
. It's not what this country stands for and shows that no matter what even in NY there are still narrow minded people.

We don't stand for flying airplanes into buildings either, now do we?

Quoting AkjetBlue (Reply 11):
showed harmful intent then

Hmmm, I believe it showed intent. It stated a purpose. I know that's a stretch . . . but there are those that will look at it that way.

Tell me, what's the difference between this man's T-Shirt and the Fuck Bush (or whatever the hell it was T-Shirt) the teenage bimbo had to turn inside out on a WN flight several months ago? Both offensive in one degree or another and yet both supposedly "Free Speech" violations.

Whats the difference?

Not to mention - airlines - like restaurants - like railroads - have to right to refuse service for whatever reason . . .


Good call JetBlue.


User currently offlineCX flyboy From Hong Kong, joined Dec 1999, 6603 posts, RR: 55
Reply 14, posted (8 years 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 4453 times:

What happened to free speech in the great land of the free? You can speak what you like as long as you say what we want you to say and say it when we tell you it is ok to say it.

User currently offlineCedars747 From Norway, joined Dec 2005, 2721 posts, RR: 19
Reply 15, posted (8 years 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 4432 times:

Quoting Itsjustme (Reply 3):
Apples and oranges. This was a flight in, not only an American city, but a city that is about to see the 5th anniversary of the darkest day it has ever experienced. Kudos to JetBlue

And your country is promoting democracy in the Arab world  liar 
Alex!!!



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User currently offlineItsjustme From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 2768 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (8 years 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 4395 times:

Quoting Cedars747 (Reply 15):
And your country is promoting democracy in the Arab world

Alex, if you would like to discuss what my country is promoting in the Arab world, may I suggest you start a thread in the non-av forum?


User currently offlineMDorBust From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (8 years 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 4395 times:

Quoting CX flyboy (Reply 14):
What happened to free speech in the great land of the free? You can speak what you like as long as you say what we want you to say and say it when we tell you it is ok to say it.

What happened to people who understand what the right to free speech really means?

His shirt is fine, in most places. However, in an airport setting at this particular point in history, it's not very appropriate.

Consider that the vast majority of the people in the airport couldn't read the shirt, but probably could recognize arab script. It's highly plausible that some people may creativly mis-interpret the writing for very inappropriate words, followed by the english "we will not be silent".


User currently offlineDkny From Ethiopia, joined Mar 2004, 714 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (8 years 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 4356 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 13):
And they might have saved the passenger with the offending T-Shirt some further heartache in the form of an asswhipping by a (or some) disgruntled passenger(s) . . . who may or may not have lost someone or knew someone lost on 9/11. Since the flight originated at JFK, it's a fair bet a good portion of those boarding passengers were at least in the NYC area on 9/11. It's also a good bet their animosity and sensitivity towards issues relating to 9/11 are still piqued.

Well look at it from the other side then. How do you know the Iraqi person wearing that T-Shirt did not loose a family member or most likely several family members in the war in Iraq. America went there and thousands of people have died because if the war that started.

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 13):
We don't stand for flying airplanes into buildings either, now do we?

But the US doesn't stand for having thousands of cicilians killed in order to remove on leader. Or deos it.

In my opinion just because the guy wears a t-shirt that says we won't remain silent doesn't mean he supports terrorism. But he is against the unfair profiling and the pre judgment that is clearly visible towards arabs and muslims.


User currently offlineCedars747 From Norway, joined Dec 2005, 2721 posts, RR: 19
Reply 19, posted (8 years 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 4344 times:

Quoting Itsjustme (Reply 16):
Alex, if you would like to discuss what my country is promoting in the Arab world, may I suggest you start a thread in the non-av forum?

No ,thanks.Anyway my favourite LC airline is Jetblue
Alex!!!



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User currently offlineItsjustme From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 2768 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (8 years 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 4295 times:

Quoting Cedars747 (Reply 19):
No ,thanks.Anyway my favourite LC airline is Jetblue

Mine, too. Now, if they'd only start service from LGB to DTW....


User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (8 years 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 4239 times:

Quoting Dkny (Reply 18):
Well look at it from the other side then. How do you know the Iraqi person wearing that T-Shirt did not loose a family member or most likely several family members in the war in Iraq. America went there and thousands of people have died because if the war that started.

I quite agree.

To that end you certainly wouldn't see me wearing a "Nuke Iraq" T-Shirt in downtown Baghdad (or anywhere else for that matter). It's in poor taste, makes no common sense and invites trouble - it's a reflection on one's intelligence.

Quoting Dkny (Reply 18):
Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 13):
We don't stand for flying airplanes into buildings either, now do we?

But the US doesn't stand for having thousands of cicilians killed in order to remove on leader. Or deos it.

We can throw this into Civ-Av if you'd like . . . and belabor it for a couple hundred posts . . . .


User currently offlineThorben From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (8 years 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 4198 times:

This is about the 100th thread I see on this page that describes US paranoia and the mess it has made out of flying.

What's really the problem with this t-shirt? If it had said "I'm Al-Qeada" or "I'm flying ot paradise" or

"We fly
we die
me paradise
you otherwise"

then I would consider it problematic. America is so nuts, this is not helping anyone (except the terrorists).

Quoting Dkny (Reply 18):
But the US doesn't stand for having thousands of cicilians killed in order to remove on leader. Or deos it.

It has. That is the reason why people are flying airplanes into buildings in the US. Or rather the time they killed hundreds of thousands without removing that particular leader.


User currently offlineNaritaflyer From Japan, joined Apr 2006, 549 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (8 years 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 4125 times:

This is usual American crap. JetBlue screwed up and it shows how blatantly racism is accpeted in the US under cover of National security. Get over it folks. Free speech only applies to other countries. democracy only to other countries. Free markets only to others. American are great at lecturing other people on how to behave but they are the biggest biggots, racists, protectionsists and hypocrits. Try buying an American port, or try buying an American oil company. Or more simple than that, try importing sugar in the US, or rice, or corn. Good luck, you can't because the market is protected.

Kudos to Jetblue my ass. Racists bunch.


User currently offlineSingapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13742 posts, RR: 19
Reply 24, posted (8 years 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 4112 times:

While I may agree with some points posted by some people, the point is that the man wanted some attention and he got some attention, probably just what he wanted.

Tough.



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25 MDorBust : Racism? I wasn't aware that language was race specific. Funny... Someone in Japan calling an American a racist bigot... then again we're just all Gai
26 Singapore_Air : I think he was referring to DP World's difficult acquisition of Peninsular and Oriental's U.S. assets.
27 MDorBust : Probably was. What occurred was an absolute travesty. Our leadership failed us in that case, mostly because of stupid political wrangling. However, I
28 AirRyan : If they are going to do that than I want a bash-Islam line at the airport where you can get through security quicker IF you recite a few negative word
29 Post contains images Solnabo : I´ve never have to take off my T-shirt when boarding saying: Ät mera gröt* Micke//SWE *Eat more porrige
30 BoeingBus : Either way you dice and slice this... paranoia is here to stay... until the Muslim community reigns in on that 1% of 'bad boys' this will exist now an
31 LTBEWR : An additional reason for why the paranoia here could be that as the flight was originating at JFK, there would have been a larger percentage than aver
32 Supa7E7 : No. Even if some ethnic group kills your brother, it is not OK (nor legal) to beat up, say, every Jew you see, or any other group. If you do, you wil
33 Bennett123 : What about Oklahoma City, why not deport all White Men with Short haircuts.
34 Naritaflyer : We don't go around the world lecturing other people or preaching virtues to others. By the way, "gaijin" merely means a "foreign person" ("gai = outs
35 MDorBust : Why would you need to change the constitution? Airlines have the right to set conditions for passage on their aircraft as long as those conditions do
36 Mandala499 : I wonder what would happen if I want to fly in and out of JFK/EWR/LGA with a T-Shirt in Arabic and English that says... 1. "Islam against terrorism" o
37 Singapore_Air : Probably the same thing that hapenned to this guy.
38 Homesick : Why exactly should all arabs be kicked out of the US? Fastenseatbelt is right. Grow up! I spent 4 years living in the US and I used to be treated like
39 Post contains images A3xx900 : Jeez the US is sooo effed up...
40 Slider : No. But when Muslim males have a short that is needlessly provocative, I believe discretion is necessary and in this case, was employed. Freedom of s
41 MDorBust : Something I wish some Americans would stop doing. Please, I spend enough time in Japan to know that there is Japanese... and then there is everything
42 Gooner : if the americans really want to deport people why dont they deport the IRA terrorists theyve allowed to walk freely around the streets of the USA for
43 Djw030468 : HMMM, I WONDER IF I WEAR MY T-SHIRT I STILL HAVE WITH ME IN IRAQ IN ENGLISH AND ARABIC THAT SAYS…. “CAUTION, STAY 100METERS BACK, OR YOU WILL BE
44 Post contains images Itsjustme : And let's not forget that, in this case, the airline was actually acting on behalf of "a number of passengers" who had complained about the t-shirt.
45 Supa7E7 : MD my friend, I totally mis-read your post. Edited it before you replied. My apologies. Apparently US DOT and TSA are investigating this matter. Good
46 ATCGOD : I see both sides of the argument here. But I think for all you people from other countries, muslim or not, until you go through what this country went
47 Airbazar : If true, it's another shameful episode from our authorities but I'm confused as to what B6 has to do with this. The article says security officials ha
48 Supa7E7 : Very true. Japan's culture won't change anytime soon though. Maybe Japan doesnt have the challenges of mixing cultures. Then again, they have seen ha
49 Post contains images Jacobin777 : what if it was a Jew who lost friends/family during the holocaust and wore the same shirt (i.e.-we will never let this happen again to us) with engli
50 Scorpio : Um.. no. It's someone expressing his anger about the way he and his people have been treated since 9/11. I've got a news bulletin for you there buddy
51 Cefarix : You do realize that someone is not a Muslims could have an Arabic T-shirt? Or that the majority of Muslims aren't even Arabs? Or that the majority of
52 CX747 : Freedom of speech is a fundamental US right. Whether or not an individual wisely uses that right is another issue. The fact of the matter is the US is
53 ATCGOD : I agree that it's tragic that all people of middle eastern descent all get treated like terrorists in this country...absolutely tragic. 3,000 people.
54 Aussieindc : Sadly in these days and times, all too many people are concerned as to who is traveling on their flight etc. A lot of people still live in fear that t
55 MDorBust : Fine, I'll spell it all out in properly... no punches pulled. Some knuckleheads have in recent years become racist towards Arabs. But, they are a vas
56 CX747 : Then maybe he shouldn't allow his people to fly airplanes into buildings, or maybe he shouldn't allow his people to have terrorist training cells in
57 TRVYYZ : An airplane is not the place to show protest or talk about freedom of expression. People should learn to exercise their freedom with more common sense
58 Slider : :rotfl: Yeah, we all know that the media is really hostile to Muslims!! Whatever! They've been wholly sympathetic which is why we have so many namby-
59 Post contains images ATCGOD :
60 Post contains images Scorpio : Oh, so now it only counts if 3,000 get killed? Fantastic And which countries ARE appeasing terrorists then, and why? Oh, and one more I forgot in my
61 N844AA : You know, the British have a thirty-year record that suggests otherwise. I hereby nominate this for the most relevant, incisive post in this thread.
62 JetBluefan1 : I agree that the t-shirt was in bad character. Definitely not a good decision, especially after the 8/11 terror threat and all. While it wasn't politi
63 N844AA : Hate to break it to you, but there's one party in charge these days, and Nancy Pelosi ain't in it. So if you have a grievance, you guys should probab
64 Post contains images Jacobin777 : thanks for the lengthy explanation, but I think you missed my point...my point was that even though people are meaning to say "prejudices" and "intol
65 Scorpio : BS reasoning if I've ever seen any. For the same reason, let's target all caucasian Americans, shall we? After all, YOU did NOT stop Timothy McVeigh
66 RJpieces : If I was waiting to board a plane and saw somebody wearing that shirt, I would probably complain about it as well. They can get the heck out of the co
67 Post contains images ATCGOD : I didn't say one thing about this T-shirt in any of my previous posts, did I? But I don't think an airport is the place to make a public statement li
68 Post contains images FLYACYYZ : Ever seen the array of T-Shirts on your typical Southwest Flight???
69 Scorpio : Look up 'CCC'
70 Khobar : I wonder if people would be as quick to jump up and down about free speech and the like had the fellow been wearing a t-shirt supporting Bin Laden or,
71 Airfoilsguy : [quote=Naritaflyer,reply=23] Free speech only applies to other countries. democracy only to other countries. Free markets only to others. American are
72 Post contains images CX747 : Off the top of my head, while I sit here at work. Iran, Syria, Lebanon, the Palestinians (If they had a country) and seeing that Chavez loves to get
73 Post contains links ATCGOD : http://www.tkb.org/Group.jsp?groupID=299 "While the group was based in Belgium, their goals and targets were predominately international." So I ask a
74 Scorpio : Wow, selective quoting, how lovely. Let's see, from YOUR source: "The group was active for less than two years in the mid-1980s, primarily engaged in
75 Slider : It has nothing to do with arrogance. It has to do with calling it like it is. We're going to be defeated by our own tolerance and they won't have to
76 N844AA : I don't know if this is the last one, but from that page: So it's not like it has never happened there. I guess I would point out at this point that
77 Dk001 : a T-shirt that bore the words "We will not be silent" He seems to have got his point across quite well considering all the replies & media bluster ove
78 Falstaff : If you think that racism is only in the US, you think wrong. People hate each other all over the world. When I was at university I lived in a buildin
79 CX747 : I don't think it could have been said any clearer.
80 CO767FA : This is public transportation; how would this have been handled on a public bus, subway or train. While we may not condone the message, it shouldn't
81 ATCGOD : LOL. No need to get defensive here Scorpio, just opinions free flowing. It's quite a contradictory statement, but you're right it's in there. But her
82 Deaphen : i second that. so totally.
83 Jacobin777 : same excuse as GWB gives.."seeing it like it is"..... and my previous comment wasn't addressed...i.e.-if there was a Jew wearing the same kind of shi
84 Scorpio : No it's not. It simply states that they mainly targeted international institutions within Belgium.
85 Gigneil : This is both sad, and pathetic, and further evidence to me that every single day America becomes less and less what it stands for and more like what w
86 CX747 : We still remember Pearl Harbor and thats over 50 years ago. In 1946 do you think people were "Over" Pearl Harbor? Better yet, in 1946 what was the nat
87 ATCGOD : Ok, this is a little before my time but anyways I'll concede that Belgium has been terrorized to some extent. I could go on and on but let's just let
88 Airbazar : Very ture. Unfortunatelly it's obvious from this thread that there are a bunch of knuckleheads including our president, that seem to think otherwise,
89 VEEREF : Actually Islam isn't a race. What exactly does "We will not be silent" mean? Does it mean "Death to America"? Does it mean "Our voices will finally b
90 Khobar : Will you be buying any poppies this year?
91 CX747 : I think that it is sad, pathetic and disgraceful that you hold these opinions. Take off your pink jaded sunglasses, come down from the high and might
92 Gigneil : It doesn't matter what it means. This is the United States, and you can say whatever you want. N
93 Slider : Yup- let's just forget 9/11 and pretend it didn't happen and ignore that there are people intent on destroying us. Whatever. Yes, your over the top r
94 CX747 : This is the United States and no you can't say whatever you want. This idea that Free Speech means you can say or do whatever your want is not correct
95 MotorHussy : I do think America would have far better international standing currently if Al Gore were president. It's weird that the U.S. is the protector of free
96 Post contains images TWFirst : If the passenger looked like the guy in the above picture, maybe the jetBlue agent just wanted the guy to take his shirt off to get a better view of
97 Falcon84 : What an idiotic over-reaction. Maybe his shirt was meant to convey the meaning that he's AGAINST terrorism? Paranoia run amok again.
98 MDorBust : Really? Can I walk into a bank and demand they give me all the money? Can I send someone threatening letters in the mail? Can I go on a national TV p
99 ME AVN FAN : THIS city also has flights of Arab airlines with Arabic titles on the fuselage. And more than other US cities "offending" ? hardly. ok, when on holid
100 Post contains images AA777 : This is ridiculous. Yet, sadly, I am completely not surprised. I have several T-shirts with arabic writing on them. But I would NEVER wear them, becau
101 ME AVN FAN : the USA is at war to some extent in Iraq, and I wonder whether they ever will have "the job done". This however has nothing to do with 11Sep01 .
102 Post contains images Thepilot : Against the entire Arabic world?! Against anyone who has an arabic shirt on. And if you are so patriotic, you should be against having the freedoms t
103 TWFirst : Are you equating a shirt that says "We won't be silent" with 1) robbing a bank, 2) threatening to personally harm someone, or 3) slander? Want to ret
104 Post contains links Soyuzavia : http://www.parkerstudio.com/AAW/JFK_story.html So not only did they make him change his shirt, but they also moved him from his assigned seat to one n
105 CPH-R : I'm more surprised that the passengers were ok with him being on the plane as long as he changed the t-shirt.. Or did I miss something about t-shirts
106 Post contains images FOMEA : Even if the Shirt Had Hebrew writing on it? would you still want them to get the Heck out? Can you at least tell the difference? Not that they are si
107 Lehpron : I don't get it, besides the shirt, can someone tell me how, "we will not be silent" is considered offensive? What about the opposite, that they could
108 Searpqx : My two cents, evne though it will get lost in the shouting on both sides. The guy was asking for trouble, and at the very least showed poor judgement.
109 Sspontak : Understandable, but it is a little tough to just move on when the threat is still there and real.
110 Soyuzavia : It could say "I am a Muslim and I love my Jewish brothers" in Hebrew, and he would still be the same. That's just RJpieces, the "Jewish" version of E
111 Jalto27R : The shirt was/could easily have been offensive to a larger percentage of passengers then the Iraqi himself. It had nothing to do with democracy, freed
112 CX747 : Thats the day that the war started for most Americans. Muslim extremists had been attacking us for 20+ years but the attacks were always far away and
113 AGM100 : Well thats why they call it Terrorism... Perfect now we are getting blamed for being scared... anything else you guys want us to do. Just kidding , i
114 Migfan : Very true, but everyone has theright to sue. It died in airports long ago. The airlines are just hurting themselves. JetBlue made a bad call. Here's
115 RJpieces : The Hebrews don't have a history of hijacking airplanes, and an even more recent history of blowing them up....But people speaking Arabic sure as hel
116 MDorBust : No, I'm countering a statement by a poster that you can say anything you want to. I need not refute in context, merely prove that one can't say anyth
117 AA777 : I didnt say that at all. I do think its ridiculous that someone cant wear a T-shirt with arabic writing on it. When an incident like this happens, pe
118 Solarix : It's called bad taste. Wearing a shirt that says "We will not be silent" written in Arabic isn't the brightest thing to do in the age of Islamic terro
119 QR332 : Excuse me?! Who the hell are you to tell us to keep our mouth shut? If your so shaken up about 3,000 dead civilians on 9/11, why aren't you shaken up
120 QR332 : It is not in any way bad taste. First of all, they told him to take it off simply because they are Arabic. Second of all, we will not be silent does
121 Post contains images Sabena332 : The story is so ridiculous, I can't believe that I wasted ~6 minutes of my lifetime to read this thread. Patrick
122 ZOTAN : Well the guy showed lack of judgement in wearing that shirt. He shouldn't have worn it with the ammount of paranoia in this country right now. That is
123 RJpieces : Give us a break. The same generation that interned Japanese-Americans, and killed countless Japanese and German civilians....Not that either of those
124 Singaporegirl : i agree. this is easier said than done by the way. but we do have to move on. i i am sure that there are african american people today that still bri
125 MDorBust : Seriously, what the hell is it with this misquote?
126 Post contains images AsstChiefMark : I wonder what would happen if I wore my coroner shirt on an airplane.
127 Falstaff : Muslim extremists blew up the front end of a TWA 707-331B (N28714), at Damascus, in 1969. In my mind that was the first act of Islamofacist terror ag
128 Post contains images ANCFlyer : It's labelled Racism because no one has any other argument . . . it's the typical "Race Card up the Sleeve - quick toss it on the Table" tactic so pr
129 Itsjustme : He wasn't denied boarding once he removed the article of clothing that "a number of passengers (also known as customers)" found to be upsetting. Taki
130 Falstaff : Try it out and see. Bring another shirt just to be safe. Might be the start of another great thread! I have Ozark Airlines luggage tags on my bags an
131 AA777 : hmmmmm. So lets say there have been 50, no 100(!) arab terrorists involved in Air travel hijackings...over the past 30 years. Does that mean all 325
132 Post contains images QR332 : Glad to see you support the killing of those different from you so much... And you make it sound like Arbs are prejudiced towards Ameircans out of th
133 ME AVN FAN : Whatever the "judgment", he was NOT asking for trouble, and most possibly did NOT even do much consideration beforehand, as Arabic letters to him are
134 ANCFlyer : Nooooo, and I didn't say that. You missed something didn't you . . . what was written under the Arabic? Something in English perhaps. Shouldn't you g
135 Itsjustme : I'm guessing he'll do much consideration (sic) the next time he plans on boarding a US airliner. Piss poor judgement on his part. And, as I said prev
136 QR332 : Sorry, I did miss the part about the same being written in English, but it doesn't change anything - when I was flying in the US many people were wea
137 Post contains images ANCFlyer : OK, good enough - you didn't read it - honest mistake - been there done that myself - too many times to admit It does matter however . . . It's not t
138 RJpieces : I do wonder how many passengers actually complained. And I bet there were even more who noticed the shirt, thought about it in their head (i.e. wonder
139 ME AVN FAN : -- " we will not be silent" is hardly negative in any way. no he does not ! why ? because the airline can easily say that the other people around had
140 ANCFlyer : You miss the point entirely ME AVN FAN . . . entirely. I'm not going to rehash it again.
141 TNNH : its confontational and its in Arabic and its in an airport, and its in a city thats been hit by Arab terrorists using planes. This is just absolutely
142 AA777 : WRONG. Not all terrorists are muslim. Were the members of ETA muslim? How about the IRA? How about Timothy McVeigh? How about the members of the IDF
143 ME AVN FAN : A) confrontational ? hardly, but of course subject to opinion B) in an airport ? yes, political statements at airports are off-season in these times
144 YOWza : Wow, all I can say is what the fuck.... totally lost for words after that. Your random number generator seems to be going a little high, try again :-
145 Post contains images ME AVN FAN : well, the texts look nice, but the black colour IS bad taste. He anyway should have chosen it in green or blue ! THAT would have been nice and would
146 Post contains images QR332 : We all have been there No, I can't blame them, I blame the media for portraying our whole culture in that light... ANC, I understand why they are par
147 RJpieces : The Arabs haven't won a war in.......what, centuries? My point was that United States-Muslim relations were not always warm and fuzzy and that terror
148 ANCFlyer : Completely agree . . . People have the right to burn my US flag (so some say) - but that doesn't make it right does it. I'm off to the airport - must
149 Post contains images QR332 : What is this, a my penis is larger than your contest now? But, like I said, you can go ahead and be quiet if any suicide bombings occur in Israel fro
150 MartinairYYZ : I should wear a T-Shirt saying "Bomb ANCFlyer until he looks like Swiss Cheese and perishes" ........ That is among the most disrespectful things I'v
151 Post contains images ANCFlyer : Hey Hero? Did you read the entire para, or just decide to pick this portion out of it to post your inane, out of context, half-witted remarks? Pretty
152 Post contains links ME AVN FAN : this is from www.raedinthemiddle.blogspot.com -- practically the original story which explains a lot. Raed Jarrar and his mother and his two brothers
153 Post contains images Cedars747 : OMG,this is really scary ! America ,the land of freedom and democracy Thanks ME AVN FAN for your post ,people need to know the truth and the real fac
154 QANTAS077 : that's not the scariest part...the fact that they do it with force is even more frightening! i'd have no hesitation wearing the t-shirt and i'm a "ch
155 L410Turbolet : which was perpetrated by LEBANESE Christians.... you probably "forgot" to add that, did you!?!? If you're desperate... blame the media for the percep
156 Post contains images MDorBust : He really just doesn't get it about the constitution and the law. The constitution doesn't apply to private entities and there doesn't need to be a l
157 ME AVN FAN : which hardly contains a part prohibiting Arabic language on clothing or baggage, and "terms of the contract of carriage" have law-status in all membe
158 QANTASforever : You're comparing the wearing of a fairly benign t-shirt with the September 11 attacks? Sheesh, get some perspective. QFF
159 Itsjustme : Wrong response. Shows this individual was confrontational. Correct and typical response would have been, "Oh, OK". Again with the attitude. He's alre
160 MDorBust : It need not contain any specific prohibition. Contracts are not law. They can be enforced by law, but are not law themselves. They are merely an agre
161 Slider : Another shmuck ranting about his rights, out of context at that, with no declaration of his responsibilities nor a lick of common sense. Yeah, really
162 ME AVN FAN : NOT many-many. Maybe some. 11Sep01 is not above average in historic comparison. Would Arabs and Europeans go like that, they all from Muscat to Reykj
163 QR332 : Don't you dare compare us to Nazis, this coming from an ignorant who doesn't even know shit about the Middle East. It just shows how these people are
164 Slider : Yeah well, in case Raed didn't notice, all the whiteys have to deal with "gruffness" at the airport these days too. Waaaahhh.... While I didn't make
165 MDorBust : December 17, 1973 29 people are killed on an AA 707 during an attack in Rome September 8 1974, TWA flight 841 is destroyed by a bomb. August 11, 1982
166 Post contains images ME AVN FAN : > careful ! he is a policeman ! oh really ?? and even EASILY ??? well, just these days heard that they may have problems --- NOT about Arabs with Ara
167 L410Turbolet : I am afraid QR you are the ignorant here, who never heard of parallel and most of struggles with reading comprehension. My example with Nazis was tha
168 Slider : What hostility? I concur totally- I was simply drawing a rough correlation, not getting into the degree of shading among those which you mentioned. I
169 ME AVN FAN : - Islam is NOT "automatically associated" with terrorism, and most of all, terrorism is in no way "its trademark". - AND, the problem of Nazism was N
170 MDorBust : Some people may care to differ give the trend of the last three decades.
171 RJpieces : Excellent point! This is a very valid point IMO.
172 ME AVN FAN : - what you describe a bit generalisingly as "trend of the last three decades" can in the mind of some people lead to an "association" of Islam with t
173 MDorBust : You're preaching to the choir with me. I have a great many Muslim friends here in Dallas and deeply respect what I think is a truly wonderful religio
174 ME AVN FAN : Sounds quite nice so far, but clearly is the result of some anti-Arab phobia and some hysteria in evidence.
175 Itsjustme : Give it a rest. Mr. T-Shirt used poor judgment and was called on it. End of story.
176 ME AVN FAN : why not, except that I do NOT agree
177 Post contains images MartinairYYZ : I reckon its alright, swiss cheese has a lot of bullet holes, and people wearing 3X shirts are in abundance in USA, take a look in the country, you'l
178 AA777 : All the nations that were attacked were allies of the U.S. And supported its war in Iraq etc. There's your explanation. And you call yourself liberal
179 RJpieces : And the Lebanese man who almost blew up a train in Germany two weeks ago? Or the multiple attacks that have been thwarted in France over the years? M
180 ME AVN FAN : well, already in 1997, the police-chief of Shreveport-Airport/LA when asked why his force opposed to aircraft-photography from outside the fence wher
181 FDXMECH : Absolutedly right. An airliner is not a miniature, mobile democracy. Why do bigots like to characterize others as bigots? Is it their way of deflecti
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