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'We Will Not Be Silent' T-shirt, JetBlue Saga II  
User currently offlineBravo45 From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 2165 posts, RR: 11
Posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 2975 times:

Here are some more details (a real player video):
http://play.rbn.com/?url=demnow/demn...20060901a.rm&proto=rtsp&start=8:56

I was blown away by its origins. Will it get bigger? Will we see more and more of it? Will it help or complicate problems? So Arabic is the problem? Or Arabs? Or just all Muslims?
Now I am really confused. I think the majority of American a.netters voiced their support for JetBlue's actions. Any change of opinion?

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User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 1, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 2931 times:

Quoting Bravo45 (Thread starter):
So Arabic is the problem? Or Arabs?

Looks as if for many US-Americans, Arabs are the problem, particularily if wearing clothing with Arabic script on it or carrying Arabic-language papers or magazines.


User currently offlineBHXFAOTIPYYC From Portugal, joined Jun 2005, 1644 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 2900 times:

Why is the Arabic script much larger than the English beneath it? I don't think Americans are obsessed with Arabs in airports or Arabs on aircraft. The average person probably can't tell that it's Arabic, Hindi, Thai, or Hebrew anyway, although they'd guess it isn't Chinese. An Arab on his own isn't provocative, or white person wearing this may not be seen as provocative, but put the t-shirt on an Arab, and it becomes provocative. I'm not saying it's right, but it's the way it is right now. In this day and age, airports are not the places to be making statements. This guy was trying to get noticed and was. This probably turned out exactly as he hoped it would. Perhaps he thinks he'll make a few $$$ out it - the fast way to riches in America - sue someone! Do alien residents have the same constitutional rights as citizens? I'm also not sure where in the US constitution is specifically states someone is allowed to wear a t-shirt with Arabic script on it as he stated in the interview. I can't imagine many people realise the origins of this statement go back to Nazi Germany; maybe if he'd been wearing one saying "I Have A Dream" people might have been OK about it.

He knew what was going to happen when he got dressed that day, and JetBlue/TSA should've just ignored him.



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User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 3, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2876 times:

Quoting BHXFAOTIPYYC (Reply 2):
or white person wearing this may not be seen as provocative, but put the t-shirt on an Arab, and it becomes provocative.

does not apply. if you look up in his blogspots you will see that Raed is a "white" in the international sense. So it quite clearly MUST have been the script. But yes, unfortunately, in the present climate in the USA, Arabic script is not in particularily high demand.


User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20732 posts, RR: 62
Reply 4, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2870 times:

Quoting Bravo45 (Thread starter):
I was blown away by its origins

I don't want to have to install RealPlayer just to watch this clip. Can you briefly summarize what it says? Thanks.



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User currently offlineBHXFAOTIPYYC From Portugal, joined Jun 2005, 1644 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2863 times:

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 3):
you will see that Raed is a "white" in the international sense

With respect, he doesn't look "white" as in the Anglo Saxon version. He looks (in the video) of Mediterranean/Middle Eastern appearance. Of course at this time of year after a summer at the beach, many Portuguese people would fit the "Arab" look. By comparison when I was in the north of Pakistan in the winter of '05 a lot of people up there who looked "white". Ultimately the "race issue" is a red herring.



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User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 6, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2854 times:

Quoting BHXFAOTIPYYC (Reply 5):
Mediterranean/Middle Eastern appearance.

Good question , true. When in Aswan or Dubai I feel as a "White" but here I don't know at all . It just is that Raed in a way is whiter than me .


User currently offlineSlamClick From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 10062 posts, RR: 68
Reply 7, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2852 times:

What is the point of that shirt?
Who distributes it?
Who is being asked to "be silent" in the first place?



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User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 8, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2848 times:

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 7):
What is the point of that shirt?
Who distributes it?
Who is being asked to "be silent" in the first place?

-
for further details you can get into www.raedinthemiddle.blogspot.com


User currently offlineDeltaGator From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 6341 posts, RR: 13
Reply 9, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 2840 times:

From the article...

I asked him "why do you want me to take off my t-shirt? Isn't it my constitutional right to express myself in this way?" The second man in a greenish suit interfered and said "people here in the US don't understand these things about constitutional rights". So I answered him "I live in the US, and I understand it is my right to wear this t-shirt".


One thing the guy doesn't seem to understand is that yes, you can wear the shirt all he wants in public. But the minute you step into a private facility (in this case the airline itself) they can tell you to take it off, change it, or refuse you service. For another example...when I open my BBQ restuarant I'll have a rule against wearing your hat sideways and/or backwards. If you don't like it then you don't have to eat at my place.

I personally have no problem with the shirt, doubt the guy is a terrorist, and have obviously seen much more offensive stuff on 8 year old girls (pants that say Juicy written across the ass) but at the end of the day it is JetBlue's option to tell him he can't wear it on their plane. If he doesn't like their policies or views then he doesn't have to fly them.



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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20732 posts, RR: 62
Reply 10, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 2834 times:

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 9):
One thing the guy doesn't seem to understand is that yes, you can wear the shirt all he wants in public. But the minute you step into a private facility (in this case the airline itself) they can tell you to take it off, change it, or refuse you service.

Wouldn't that run afoul of the "common carrier" laws?



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User currently offlineCaptaink From Mexico, joined May 2001, 5109 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 2824 times:

But before we can say it was JetBlue's perogative to ask the the guy to remove this T'shirt, we first have to get JetBlue to admit they asked him to take it off in the first place. According to what the reporter said, JetBlue did not admit to asking the guy to remove his shirt.

In that case, would it have been TSA that asked him to do so? Do they have the right to do so?

How is it, that a group of people wearing the same T'shirts were allowed to board?



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User currently offlineLAPA_SAAB340 From Spain, joined Aug 2001, 390 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 2815 times:

"We will not be silent" does have a defying, confrontational tone to it. Who is it addressed to? (and what's the message anyhow)

Not the smartest thing to be wearing at an airport in these days of security paranoia - rights or no rights. I could walk into a bar in Harlem wearing the Confederate flag. I don't think any "rights" will matter in that situation...


User currently offlineSlamClick From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 10062 posts, RR: 68
Reply 13, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 2800 times:

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 8):

Nothing I could find in that link to answer my questions.
If SOMETHING IN that link explains it could you please direct me a little closer?

For all I know it is Al Qaeda that makes the shirt.



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User currently offlineACDC8 From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 7643 posts, RR: 35
Reply 14, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 2795 times:

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 14):
Nothing I could find in that link to answer my questions.
If SOMETHING IN that link explains it could you please direct me a little closer?

For all I know it is Al Qaeda that makes the shirt.

it just says "we will not be silent". I got this t-shirt from Washington DC. There are more than a 1000 t-shirts printed with the same slogan, you can google them or email them at wewillnotbesilent@gmail.com . It is printed in many other languages: Arabic, Farsi, Spanish, English, etc

That was a quote of ME AVN FANS link.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06191/704736-85.stm
http://www.parkerstudio.com/AAW/notsilentstories.html

[Edited 2006-09-02 20:42:25]


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User currently offlineSlamClick From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 10062 posts, RR: 68
Reply 15, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 2792 times:

Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 15):

Thank you.

So it is just pointless confrontation, since no one is asking anyone to be silent.



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User currently offlineBravo45 From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 2165 posts, RR: 11
Reply 16, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 2763 times:

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 3):
in the present climate in the USA, Arabic script is not in particularily high demand.

Sad but true, especially when on an airport.

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 4):
I don't want to have to install RealPlayer just to watch this clip. Can you briefly summarize what it says? Thanks.

It was started originally in Germany to oppose the policies of Adolph Hitler and if I understood it right the people who started this wave are not Muslims nor Arabs, they just translated it to Arabic and English (to start a movement?) and since the demand has gone up, its also been translated to Spanish and Farsi among other languages besides German.

Quoting BHXFAOTIPYYC (Reply 5):
With respect, he doesn't look "white" as in the Anglo Saxon version. He looks (in the video) of Mediterranean/Middle Eastern appearance. Of course at this time of year after a summer at the beach, many Portuguese people would fit the "Arab" look. By comparison when I was in the north of Pakistan in the winter of '05 a lot of people up there who looked "white". Ultimately the "race issue" is a red herring.

Well you answered the beginning of your post yourself. I don't think you can tell much just by looking at a person. Not even race, and this should not be turned into a race issue. Now is it a language issue? What if you see Arabs (or lets say Arab looking people) wearing this shirt only in English? I think it will still be conceived as provocative. Now I understand when you do such a thing at an airport its understandable for any one that you are attracting attention. But the fact that thousands of Arabs and Muslims (more than I have ever heard of) are being singled out for 'special treatment' every day at US airports, begs the question where do you draw the line? What's wrong?
I fear the answer is, one's in trouble if one looks like (what is concieved to be) Arab/Muslims looking with an uncommon name. No matter who you are. You will not believe how many Sikhs have been the targets only because not only they fit the profile, but traditionally wear turbans and have long beards.

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 7):
Who is being asked to "be silent" in the first place?

Any person who wears that shirt??

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 16):
since no one is asking anyone to be silent.

What does making him change it amout to?

I don't know what to think, no one is ready to even admit they made him hid the statement. Is that a clue for their guilt? Will it end in another sorry letter? But then all the media attention it has recieved, trust me to be sure to find thousands more doing this. What will happen then?


User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20732 posts, RR: 62
Reply 17, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 2760 times:

Quoting Bravo45 (Reply 17):
It was started originally in Germany to oppose the policies of Adolph Hitler

Wait, wait ... in the 1930's people in Germany walked around in public with tshirts opposing Hitler?



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User currently offlineSlamClick From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 10062 posts, RR: 68
Reply 18, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks ago) and read 2736 times:

Quoting Bravo45 (Reply 17):
What does making him change it amout to?

Circular logic: If I can design a shirt with a "free speech" motif, and make it arguably unacceptable to wear past an airport security checkpoint, they will challenge my right to wear it, thus abridging my freedom of speech.

Also could be called a self-fulfilling prophecy.

But do you even get this? That shirt exists 24 hours a day. It has been produced in, apparently large numbers. Presumably many people are wearing this shirt at this very moment. Now who is asking them to be silent? I read that it is available in English only. Can a prosperous white male, AngloSaxon Protestant wear it and get your sympathy?

"Help! Help! I'm being ignored and I want to appear oppressed!"



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User currently offlineGunsontheroof From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3508 posts, RR: 10
Reply 19, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks ago) and read 2723 times:

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 7):
What is the point of that shirt?
Who distributes it?
Who is being asked to "be silent" in the first place?

http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=06/09/01/1338241



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User currently offlineSlamClick From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 10062 posts, RR: 68
Reply 20, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks ago) and read 2718 times:

Okay but that was written AFTER the guy tried to board an airplane with it.

What about BEFORE?

Does ANYONE know who is behind these shirts?



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User currently offlineCedars747 From Norway, joined Dec 2005, 2721 posts, RR: 19
Reply 21, posted (8 years 1 month 3 weeks ago) and read 2718 times:

Here in Norway Tattoos in Arabic letters are on fashion.
Alex!!!



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User currently offlineItsjustme From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 2768 posts, RR: 9
Reply 22, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 2682 times:

A couple of things seem to have changed between the time Mr. Jarrar posted the account of what occurred in his blog (August 10th) and the time he gave the interview to Democracy Now! (Sept 1). One of which being, in his blog he stated "At around 8:30, two men approached me while I was checking my phone". Yet, in the interview with Democracy Now he says "I was prevented to go to my airplane by four officers...". So, between Aug 10th and Sept. 1st, the number of officials that stopped him doubled. Makes one wonder what else about the incident has been embellished.

User currently offlineJetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7414 posts, RR: 50
Reply 23, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2662 times:
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Well, in the whole scheme of things, I would be less worried about a Middle Eastern man wearing a shirt with Arabic, Persian or any other regional language on it, as opposed to 12 men acting strangely with a cell phone on a crowded flight to India. I don't think a terrorist would be wearing a tshirt, drawing attention to himself. I think B6 Is within it's rights to deny baording to whom it feels could be a disturbance on the aircraft

Quoting Bravo45 (Thread starter):
So Arabic is the problem? Or Arabs? Or just all Muslims?
Now I am really confused. I think the majority of American a.netters voiced their support for JetBlue's actions. Any change of opinion?

I just think it's the recent incident in London that has people on edge right now and I thik Mr Jarrar, while it's his right to wear a shirt like that in public, has made poor choice timing to make a statement. While I don't find a shirt with Arabic writing on it offensive, I can nderstand why it might raise eyebrows and make people uncomfortable

Quoting LAPA_SAAB340 (Reply 13):
"We will not be silent" does have a defying, confrontational tone to it. Who is it addressed to? (and what's the message anyhow)

Well, I don't think it's confrontational, he's just making a fsahionable political statement. But his choosing was a bad one. I think Dougloids quote below sums it up

Quoting Dougloid (Reply 11):
For a guy who is so insistent on his rights I'd suggest he present himself at a ticket counter anywhere in the middle east with a tee shirt that says "I am a Jew and proud of it" and see how far he gets-he'd be in a fucking Yemeni prison so fast it'd make your head spin.

If he wants to compare civil rights of the US with other countries, he should be thankful that the worst that happened was, he was asked to remove it.

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 9):
I personally have no problem with the shirt, doubt the guy is a terrorist, and have obviously seen much more offensive stuff on 8 year old girls (pants that say Juicy written across the ass) but at the end of the day it is JetBlue's option to tell him he can't wear it on their plane. If he doesn't like their policies or views then he doesn't have to fly them.

Well,a few years ago while duing the boarding process on flight. I was closing overheads and helping passngers stow their bags, when I noticed a girl who couldn't have been older than 10 years of age, who was 1. wearing a revealing tank-top that had PORN STAR written across the front in pink and black, and 2.(not that I was staring), was wearing these low-rise jeans on with a thong blatantly showing. I was compelled to seek out her parents and have change into something more appropriate. Well all hell broke lose over this and we had to get security to remove them and deny them boarding. The incident involving the girl with the "Fuck George Bush" T shirt that got a beligerant girl tossed off of a WN flight out of Reno a year or so ago is another example. There is certain attire that that is not acceptable on board an aircraft, and whether it's political, or lewd/offensive or disrespectful, there is no place for creating discontent on an aircraft. I think that flying public needs to be a little more cognicent of what they're wearing when traveling. If it was up to me, I would require a comfortable, but desirable dress code. What people are wearing nowadays is just unsightly



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User currently offlineRJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (8 years 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2625 times:

I still maintain that he got what he deserved. Any passenger flying out of JFK that day with common sense would be suspicious of the man wearing that shirt. It's human nature these days (for better or worse). ANYONE who says that they would not look suspiciously at such a passenger on some level is lying IMO.

25 Post contains images Itsjustme : Profiling, even though it's a way of every day life for everyone from John Q Public to the most seasoned cop, isn't considered politically correct an
26 Delta767300ER : [Quote]Well,a few years ago while duing the boarding process on flight. I was closing overheads and helping passngers stow their bags, when I noticed
27 Post contains images HAWK21M : Its the Times We live in. regds MEL
28 Post contains images N1120A : Yep No they do not In that case, I suppose if I go somewhere and see Hebrew writing, common sense should tell me that I should be suspicious that the
29 ME AVN FAN : it is NOT elQaeda again, why ? I mean, everybody is allowed to send curious glances at people with "strange" scripts on clothing or baggage or whatev
30 Post contains links and images ME AVN FAN : here some most suspicious script photographed by some people at JFK : View Large View MediumPhoto © Maik Mönkemeier View Large View MediumPhoto
31 DeltaGator : Can you 'splain that one a little bit for me. JetBlue is a private company. Why couldn't they tell someone basically "no shirt, no shoes...no service
32 B747-437B : By virtue of their licensing as a "common carrier" (which grants them certain priviledges in the transportation industry - notably the ability to off
33 Post contains images Cedars747 : Haha,nice one Alex!!!
34 AeroWesty : "Common carrier" refers to sets of laws for public carriage of passengers and freight. Once a service is defined as a common carrier, and eligible fo
35 LesMainwaring : while wearing the shirt may be questionable in some aspects due to the times we live in, it contains nothing profane, sexually explicit, or overtly pr
36 Jetjack74 : Well, you have to consider the fact that few people know the meaning behind it. "We will not be silent", ok who and what won't they be silent about?
37 SlamClick : Prove it! No one seems to know anything about where the money goes when you buy one of these. It could profit Israel or Disney Corp. or Hezbollah. Is
38 Captaink : This is all understandable and very reasonable. However two important things. Supposedly: 1. A group of people wearing the same shirt was allowed to
39 AerospaceFan : I'm a bit tired of protests against racial profiling. Let's address the much more severe problem of terrorism before trying to attack the means of pre
40 RJpieces : Except that there are what, about the same number of JDF terrorists as there are Christian terrorists in this country? And both have been minimally a
41 Post contains images AeroWesty : What do you propose those who believe they have a legitimate gripe in regards to profiling do? Don't they have the right to protest against it at all
42 AerospaceFan : Oh, yes, they do. But so what? Others have a right to be irritated by their actions. Not all protests are legitimate, as you will agree. And protests
43 AeroWesty : Never said they didn't. People usually are irritated to some degree by a protest. If that's where it's occurring, I don't see why the airport isn't t
44 ME AVN FAN : - I admittedly canNOT prove it. But first of all it is YOU who placed an allegation so that it is up to you to prove your allegation. I just placed a
45 Post contains images Scbriml : This is hilarious! People should get a grip - it's a t-shirt, not a grenade. Basically, a bunch of fat, white folks got "nervous" when an "Arabic" loo
46 AerospaceFan : Pilots and cabin crew aren't the issue here. You're talking about labor issues. But 9/11 wasn't caused by labor -- or management. Your question was a
47 AeroWesty : We're talking protests. Perhaps you should look into some of the issues airline staff have brought up with passengers during protests/CHAOS movements
48 AerospaceFan : If your question is how they should protest against terrorists, then, yeah, you've got me there. Terrorists aren't exactly known to be easily accessi
49 AeroWesty : If I read this right, you're saying the people doing profiling at the airport are terrorists. Please correct me if I read that wrong.
50 AerospaceFan : I'm saying that the people the anti-profiling protestors ought to blame are the terrorists, not the government, and certainly not the screeners.
51 AeroWesty : That's kind of where I thought you were going with this, which is why I asked for clarification. So I can extrapolate from this that you feel even if
52 AerospaceFan : No. Did you forget what I said about the public square?
53 AeroWesty : Not at all, but you shifted the responsibility away from who should be on the receiving end of a protest, those who may be actively abusing profiling
54 AerospaceFan : If you're talking about the people who decide to implement racial profiling as a national policy, formally or not, however, it's the folks in D.C., n
55 AeroWesty : Nope, but it's patently obvious you want to avoid addressing this directly, so I won't extend what's clearly painful for you to do.
56 AerospaceFan : I think I've answered your question (i.e., to whom they should complain) in more than one way, and in all the reasonable ways it can be taken. You ei
57 AeroWesty : Already done. No need to waste the bandwidth if you haven't seen it.
58 DeltaGator : Thanks guys. Not sure where the common carrier rules would come down on this one but you do make a good point.
59 AerospaceFan : Have it your way, AeroWesty, but it's clear that you haven't explained why I haven't answered your question. If it's been done, you should, in fairne
60 ME AVN FAN : the screeners allowed him through. OK, an extra check. I know how that is. You play cool, you know that it in a way is alright, but you in a way feel
61 Itsjustme : Before looking for someone to blame, shouldn't we hear both sides of this story first? Unless I am mistaken (if I am, I trust someone will help me se
62 ME AVN FAN : you are NOT mistaken. There up to now is no account from any other side. People who however shroud themselves in silence usually ARE regarded as NOT
63 MDorBust : Or, since the "victim" of this incident was clearly threatening legal action, they've taken the wise course of saying absolutely nothing and waiting
64 ME AVN FAN : I have now re-read his report, and he did NOT threaten legal action, he only questioned the legality of the positions of those people in question. I
65 AerospaceFan : I'm glad we agree that the screeners are not at fault, ME AVN FAN. If the protestor believes that he was wronged, he has every right to protest in the
66 ME AVN FAN : it anyway looks as if having been other passengers who started the upheaval about that t-shirt. The problem rather is the one that people in places a
67 Post contains links MDorBust : According to your post in the original thread, he has very clearly threatened legal action. Arabic T-shirt Causes Commotion @ JFK (by Cefarix Aug 30
68 ME AVN FAN : through a CRO and NOT through court. Raed Jarrar by such means has launched an astonishing help organisation for people in need in Iraq, and other su
69 Post contains links and images MDorBust : And just what do you think that Mr. Jarrar and (insert lawyer group here) are going to get together with the employees of Jet Blue and do? Have tea a
70 ME AVN FAN : well, they will have a good chance for an out-of-court-settlement, to avoid real legal action in court he can check possibilities to organize a boyco
71 Post contains images Jacobin777 : the problem AeroWesty is giving power to morons who don't know what to do with it.....its basic human nature for most to abuse power in some way, sha
72 MDorBust : An out of court settlement is legal action. You do realize the irony inherent in a boycott of Arabs and Muslims not flying?
73 ME AVN FAN : nobody speaks about NOT flying, it would just be not flying on JetBlue. And the linkup with ACLU might bring other minorities into such a boycott. I
74 MDorBust : And when AA makes someone change their shirt? As WN has already done? Delta, NW, Continental? When every airline is boycotted since they would, and h
75 ME AVN FAN : - come on, let's relax. There will be NO boycott, there will be NO day in court, but there will be contacts, talks, correspondence, threats to do thi
76 MDorBust : You are correct. There will be no boycott as it's pointless. If the US is the bunch of racist bigots that some in the past two threads have suggested
77 ME AVN FAN : There will NOT be a boycott, because A) the Arabs in the USA are too small a minority to count and because B) it has in reality been a most minor inc
78 Itsjustme : I disagree. If today, someone were to wear something "a number of passengers" found to be upsetting, I have no doubt the person would be told to remo
79 Post contains images ME AVN FAN : you turn it around and so, the actual question again becomes WHAT exactly IS upsetting and offensive. To see that t-shirt as either or both simply is
80 Itsjustme : When it comes to paying customers and a private entity, isn't "upsetting" defined by the other customers on the flight? Let's say you, me, and Mr. Ja
81 ME AVN FAN : the straight answer ? well, the problem for the airline is difficult, but I would recommend the airlines to tell those 30 to wait for the next flight
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