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Classic Star Trek Receives 2006 Revision  
User currently offlineAerospaceFan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (7 years 11 months 3 days ago) and read 1960 times:

CBS Paramount Domestic Television has announced that a re-edited version of the original Star Trek television series will be released for syndication.

According to an article posted on StarTrek.com, this new edition features computer-generated scenes that replace 1960's-vintage portrayals of the fictional U.S.S. Enterprise and other starships, background visuals, and planetary vistas. Depictions of space vessels will reflect their current configuration.

Viewers will also notice new musical arrangements for the revised series.

The order in which the episodes will be syndicated has yet to be determined.

See:

http://www.startrek.com/startrek/view/news/article/23775.html

[Edited 2006-09-03 06:39:30]

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User currently offlineNewark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 30
Reply 1, posted (7 years 11 months 3 days ago) and read 1955 times:

William Shatner will also be dubbed over by a real actor.  Wink

Harry



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User currently offlineAerospaceFan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 11 months 3 days ago) and read 1955 times:

The opening credits will now be three-dimensional.

[Insert Shatner joke here.]

 Big grin


User currently offlineUH60FtRucker From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (7 years 11 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 1923 times:

That's cool!

One of my favorite DS9 episodes was "Trials and Tribble-ations" Seeing the original Enterprise but now as a computer generated model was incredible! I'd love to watch the original series the way it appeared in Gene Roddenberry's mind, and no longer limited to tight bugets and 60s technology.

-UH60


User currently offlineAerospaceFan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (7 years 11 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 1919 times:

Quoting UH60FtRucker (Reply 3):
One of my favorite DS9 episodes was "Trials and Tribble-ations" Seeing the original Enterprise but now as a computer generated model was incredible! I'd love to watch the original series the way it appeared in Gene Roddenberry's mind, and no longer limited to tight bugets and 60s technology.

That's one of my favorites, too! Both the story and the special effects were seamlessly integrated.

This latest edition will feature not only a new look, but also revised music. It's almost as though the series will be remade, in parts, up to 2006 standards.

I can hardly wait to see it.

[Edited 2006-09-03 06:41:45]

User currently offlineAerospaceFan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (7 years 11 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 1910 times:

By the way, I met Mike Okuda, mentioned in the article, and his wife, Denise, while we were shopping at a bookstore in Encino. They're a great couple and consummate "Treksperts". I'm glad he's still associated with the Star Trek franchise.

The Okudas collaborated on The Star Trek Encyclopedia, a well-written, richly illustrated and annotated authorized book full of official and semi-official references about the entire Trek universe, right up to the most current movie at the time of publication. They both held creative, supervisory, technical, or consultant positions in the art department at Paramount's Trek division during the run of the last four series.

[Edited 2006-09-03 07:13:16]

User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 6, posted (7 years 11 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 1888 times:

Quoting UH60FtRucker (Reply 3):
I'd love to watch the original series the way it appeared in Gene Roddenberry's mind, and no longer limited to tight bugets and 60s technology.

Me too, though I still don't mind the toy-ish animations from the 60's.

I'm eager to see how it will turn out. Though I'm in Costa Rica, I can get the ABC, CBS and NBC afiliates of Denver, Colorado (one of the good things that came with the package of my cable provider Big grin ), and I hope one of those will show this digitally remastered TOS. It's going to be a bit difficult to digitally re-master the aliens to current Star Trek standards, like the Klingons, Vulcans or Romulans, because they looked very human in TOS.

I wonder if they'll also re-master the very first pilot, with Christopher Pike and the full Talos IV story, though I'm sure they'll also show the episode where Spock is court-martialed for the capital crime of going to Talos IV with the crippled Pike.


User currently offlineAerospaceFan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (7 years 11 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 1881 times:

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 6):
I wonder if they'll also re-master the very first pilot, with Christopher Pike and the full Talos IV story, though I'm sure they'll also show the episode where Spock is court-martialed for the capital crime of going to Talos IV with the crippled Pike.

I don't know the answer that question, and it's a very good one.

The first batch we'll see, the article says, will consist of some fan favorites. Personally, I like the original pilot a great deal.

As many fans will know, it was remade into a two-part episode of the original run after the series was recast with William Shatner replacing Jeffrey Hunter.


User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (7 years 11 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 1867 times:

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 6):
Me too, though I still don't mind the toy-ish animations from the 60's.

At first, I had my doubts.

The campy, old-fashioned special effects are part of the charm of watching these old shows. Remember that those effects were pretty damned good for the late 60's, and absolutely unheard of for television. Seeing it "as-was" keeps you in context. Of course I love to see better shots of the Enterprise and other ships. I drooled over the long beauty-shots of the Enterprise when the first Motion Picture came out in 1979. But I like the original.

What changed my mind however is the news near the bottom of the article that mentions that the TOS shows will all be remastered in HDTV format. Wow! That'll be wonderful to see. Remember that TOS was filmed on 35mm film, and there is more than enough detail to make spectacularly good transfers (except for the bridge shots, which I recall reading about them being forced to use 16mm because of space limitations on the set or something like that)


User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (7 years 11 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 1850 times:

This will be interesting.

I have my concerns though . . . as with all things "Hollywood remade", sometimes it's overdone and the result is a mess.

But, it's Trek. It'll do well because of people like me that have every episode, book, blueprint, etc. Nooo I don't have a set of ears for Halloween. I do have an "Enterprise" telephone that when set properly rings with the red alert klazon. Scare the hell outta you if you're not expecting it.


User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (7 years 11 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 1834 times:

Quoting Newark777 (Reply 1):
William Shatner will also be dubbed over by a real actor.



User currently offlineDL021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11446 posts, RR: 76
Reply 11, posted (7 years 11 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 1819 times:
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Quoting UH60FtRucker (Reply 3):
That's cool!

One of my favorite DS9 episodes was "Trials and Tribble-ations" Seeing the original Enterprise but now as a computer generated model was incredible! I'd love to watch the original series the way it appeared in Gene Roddenberry's mind, and no longer limited to tight bugets and 60s technology.

The use of cgi to replace original scenes has been abused in the past (think Lucas and Spielberg...Han fired first and the cops weren't waving radios) but the way that Trials and Tribble-ations came out was a perfect example of how to do it without screwing up the canon.

If this really happens I hope they take their cues from that example. Roddenberry will come to haunt them if they screw this up.



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User currently onlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21416 posts, RR: 54
Reply 12, posted (7 years 11 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 1817 times:

I'm highly sceptical, but if done well it could be a real treat to watch the old shows as they should have been. I always cringed a bit at the cheesy special effects, even during my first viewings in the 1970s. So let's wait and see...! Big grin

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 6):
It's going to be a bit difficult to digitally re-master the aliens to current Star Trek standards, like the Klingons, Vulcans or Romulans, because they looked very human in TOS.

At least the Klingons' "re-makeup" has been explained quite cleverly in Enterprise... they wouldn't need to fuss around with that...!

They just managed to "revert" to their presumable "original" appearance between TOS and the first movie according to that explanation... Big grin


User currently offlineAerospaceFan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (7 years 11 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 1810 times:

Thanks for your great comments, everyone!

Some excellent points have been made.

I, too, have trepidations about revising the Classic Series. However, I think that DS9's revision of a Classic episode, mentioned above, bodes well for the integration of the new special effects. I've always admired the sheer technical competence of the Trek division at Paramount. They've always treated the franchise with the reverence it deserves.

I'm encouraged by information that the appearance of the CGI Enterprise was determined by reference to the physical television filming model currently at the Air and Space Museum in Washington, D.C. I remember seeing that model while I worked in D.C. back in the 1980's. By the way, the model was is in very good condition then, and I feel certain it continues to be in great shape today.

There remains burgeoning interest in Trek in all its forms, including a growing universe of fan-made films, some of which are made with the cooperation of the Classic Series actors.

With the onset of NASA's new Orion program (whose logo, by the way, was reportedly designed by same Mike Okuda mentioned above), I hope that I am correct that there is renewed interest in space exploration which, incidentally, will reinforce interest in Trek -- and vice versa. I've always been impressed by how Trek has had an effect on those who have ultimately decided to pursue careers in space exploration, and, indeed, at the Vegas convention I mentioned in another thread, one of the investigators for one of NASA's space probes was present at an information booth promoting the space studies program at Arizona State University. He was also a leader in a Trek club in his local area. Naturally, I made a donation to the cause.

Space is truly the final frontier, and it's no coincidence that Trek and space exploration have been like two peas in a pod. I've always believed that mankind's future is in the universe all around us -- that the fulfillment of our destiny is nowhere else, but among the stars.

We are all on Spaceship Earth; if we, ourselves, cannot reach the stars, then at least we can be inspired by our reach toward it -- and inspire our children and grandchildren to develop themselves, and humanity, so that we may live beyond Earth, in our cosmic home.

As the great Tsiolkovsky once said, Earth is our cradle, but mankind, like all infants, must eventually leave it.

There is no place like Earth -- the most magnificent place there is in the known universe. But there remains a greater universe out there, waiting for us to explore. If we are alone in the universe, then it is only ours to see. If we are not, then there are others we must know.

Either way, in this sense, our fate is in the stars.

[Edited 2006-09-03 16:43:42]

User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 14, posted (7 years 11 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 1771 times:

Quoting Klaus (Reply 12):
At least the Klingons' "re-makeup" has been explained quite cleverly in Enterprise

Which episode was that? I'm curious. I can catch it during the re-runs of Enterprise they're showing here on cable.

Quoting DL021 (Reply 11):
Roddenberry will come to haunt them if they screw this up.

That's too true.  rotfl 


User currently offlineAerospaceFan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (7 years 11 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 1766 times:

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 14):
Which episode was that? I'm curious. I can catch it during the re-runs of Enterprise they're showing here on cable.

I recall Worf saying that "We do not speak of that", or words to that effect, on DS9 -- in the very episode mentioned by UH60FtRucker. Not on Star Trek: Enterprise, though, but it may be that I'm simply misremembering or haven't seen the episode of Enterprise in question.


User currently onlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21416 posts, RR: 54
Reply 16, posted (7 years 11 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 1763 times:

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 14):
Which episode was that? I'm curious. I can catch it during the re-runs of Enterprise they're showing here on cable.

These two:

Season 4, Episode 15: Affliction
Season 4, Episode 16: Divergence

I think it was a nifty idea to plug a gaping continuity hole in the canon universe - and it's quite consistent with Worf's assertion that "We don't like to talk about it!" in DS9 trials and tribbulations...! Big grin


User currently offlineDL021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11446 posts, RR: 76
Reply 17, posted (7 years 11 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 1763 times:
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It was first discussed openly in that episode of DS-9 but it was further explained in Enterprise.

THere are multitudinous websites explaining this.



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User currently offlineSearpqx From Netherlands, joined Jun 2000, 4343 posts, RR: 10
Reply 18, posted (7 years 11 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 1743 times:

Quoting DL021 (Reply 17):
multitudinous

Says Ian, in his best Spock/Tuvok/T'Pal/ voice Big grin



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User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (7 years 11 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 1742 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 9):
But, it's Trek. It'll do well because of people like me that have every episode, book, blueprint, etc. Nooo I don't have a set of ears for Halloween. I do have an "Enterprise" telephone that when set properly rings with the red alert klazon. Scare the hell outta you if you're not expecting it.

 rotfl  rotfl  rotfl 

So you ARE human, after all - I suspected as much all along. And I bet you DO have halloween ears.


User currently offlineCastleIsland From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (7 years 11 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 1731 times:

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 19):
So you ARE human, after all - I suspected as much all along. And I bet you DO have halloween ears.

He hides them under that damn baseball cap.

This reminds me, when we do LAS again next March, I gotta get some Romulan Ale in my belly.


User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 21, posted (7 years 11 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 1713 times:

Quoting Klaus (Reply 16):
These two:

Season 4, Episode 15: Affliction
Season 4, Episode 16: Divergence

I think it was a nifty idea to plug a gaping continuity hole in the canon universe - and it's quite consistent with Worf's assertion that "We don't like to talk about it!" in DS9 trials and tribbulations...!

Thanks. Though now I'm curious as to how the Klingons eventually got that fixed. Big grin Genetic mutation can only help in the very long term.  Wink

The question of the Romulans still remains though, because they looked exactly like Vulcans in TOS and eventually got a bit different throughout all series.


User currently offlineAerospaceFan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (7 years 11 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 1706 times:

Quoting DL021 (Reply 17):
It was first discussed openly in that episode of DS-9 but it was further explained in Enterprise.

THere are multitudinous websites explaining this.

Fascinating!  Smile

Thanks for that information.


User currently onlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21416 posts, RR: 54
Reply 23, posted (7 years 11 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 1703 times:

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 21):
Though now I'm curious as to how the Klingons eventually got that fixed.

And all within the few years between the TOS and 1st movie time scale, on top of that...!

Well, that's still to be explored, I guess. Although it's certainly not the most exciting part of the whole embarrassing affair.


User currently offlineDL021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11446 posts, RR: 76
Reply 24, posted (7 years 11 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1682 times:
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Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 19):
Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 9):
But, it's Trek. It'll do well because of people like me that have every episode, book, blueprint, etc. Nooo I don't have a set of ears for Halloween. I do have an "Enterprise" telephone that when set properly rings with the red alert klazon. Scare the hell outta you if you're not expecting it.

I want one! Where did you get it?

Quoting CastleIsland (Reply 20):
This reminds me, when we do LAS again next March, I gotta get some Romulan Ale in my belly.

It may be the last time for that....Paramount is looking to sell the operation off, or kill it. That'd suck.



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25 Post contains images LTU932 : You know, you just might be on to something. How about making a movie or a show that is based in the time between TOS and The Motion Picture. Doesn't
26 Post contains links Srbmod : It's a lager that Paramount has brewed for them by Cerveceria La Costancia in El Salvador and blue food coloring is added to it. http://ratebeer.com/
27 Post contains images ANCFlyer : BUT, I used to have a CPT Kirk uniform . . I still hvae a phaser - makes cool sounds. All the Christmas Ornaments that light up (might come in handy
28 Post contains images Klaus : I like the new explanation much better: Klingons incompetently tampering with a human genetic experiment for the creation of enhanced "super soldiers
29 Post contains images ANCFlyer : Especially for a Klingon!
30 Post contains images Klaus : Exactly!
31 Post contains images Srbmod : Insert William Shatner Fat Joke Here.....
32 DL021 : a Vulcan with human emotions? Spock on poppydust........
33 Kieron747 : I'd be interested to see this revamped series. I did enjoy the DS9 episode with the old Enterprise, also the episodes of 'Enterprise' when they were i
34 Hawaiian717 : Star Trek V This Side of Paradise
35 Searpqx : You've got to remember, that in the mid 60s, even though they worked on a very tight budget, those were excellent special effects for TV, even better
36 Post contains images DL021 : It's only subtle and winkable if all of us who know those references smile inwardly and mumble the words "uh-hunh!" to ourselves while feeling quietl
37 Post contains links and images DL021 : coming 2008 http://www.startrek.com/startrek/view/news/article/15891.html
38 Post contains images LTU932 : Eventually through a creation of George Lucas and Star Wars (ILM, Industrial Light and Magic to be exact), special effects in Star Trek pictures beca
39 ANCFlyer : Except Star Trek 5 . . . I know they (Paramount) couldn't get ILM, and used some offbeat outfit, and the graphics and animation and special effects s
40 Cadet985 : I have that phone....not hooked up anymore....nor is the TNG shuttlecraft that either rings red alert, phasers, or photons. Needless to say, both use
41 AerospaceFan : Speaking of Trek-related objects, I have a small collection of Hallmark ornaments based on the Trek theme. They come complete with light and sound. I'
42 LTU932 : I didn't know that. Now I got tempted to get all the Star Trek movie DVDs sometime soon, from TMP to First Contact (I have Nemesis, but can gladly sk
43 Kieron747 : Not sure exactly why, but it is obvious that the effects in Final Frontier are inferior. In many scenes the Enterprise looks 2-dimensional which is a
44 ANCFlyer : ILM was unavailable because they were working on some other big project that consumed all their resources. I can't remember which other big project.
45 Post contains images AAFLT1871 : Because they could not fit over the old cap now could they. I understand that instead of Scotty beaming the crew on board in the updated reruns, to h
46 Post contains links AerospaceFan : You can watch the newly remastered and re-edited episodes beginning this weekend. For a list of television affiliates, please see: http://www.startrek
47 Post contains images LTU932 : RHAAAAAAAAAA! It's on the WB, and I don't receive KWGN down here, only the three majors!
48 JGPH1A : Do you live in the last 5 square meters of the US that doesn't have 9000 channels of cable ?
49 Post contains images LTU932 : No, but my cable provider in Costa Rica shows ABC, CBS and NBC afiliates from Denver.
50 Allstarflyer : I don't watch it anymore, but I grew up with it. Usually, I feel like messing with the original in anything is often anything but an improvement, but
51 L-188 : I was amazed we made it through the 40th anniversery of the Star Trek series without a thread being started. And the only reason Paramount came up wit
52 Post contains images LTU932 : The Khan saga was definitely the best part of all the movies. Star Trek 2 to 3 were typically Star Trek with more action and good story lines. Damn,
53 Post contains images Hawaiian717 : Just saw Balance of Terror. I was overall impressed; the new CG effects didn't stand out very badly at all. Even buy the DVDs?
54 Post contains images LTU932 : Eventually, but I want to see them both now.
55 DeltaDC9 : If you have ever watched "Boston Legal" when Shatner anseres his cell phone, flip pnone of course, it sounds like a comunicator opening up. One word.
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