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User currently offlineCornish From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 8187 posts, RR: 54
Posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 2180 times:

Well the first big announcement is that Heikki Kovalienen will be taking Alonso's vacated seat at Renault next season

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/5319424.stm

Now we await the big Ferrari announcement at Monza. Kimi must surely be announced now - but alonside Schuey or Massa. If Schuey doesn't retire then Massa must be pretty gutted. Relegated to either a test role or a minor F1 team drive next year right after wining his first GP if Schuey stays on. If he's happy to do that then perhaps he has a deal that he wil lget a ful time Ferraris eat alongside Kimi in 2008 if Michael stays on for one more year.

Certainly by all accounts, prior to the Turkish GP start, Massa didn't look like a driver under the pressure of losing his seat - in fact very relaxed, as his performance suggested. Does this mean that Schuey is going to make this his last season then ??


Just when I thought I could see light at the end of the tunnel, it was some B*****d with a torch bringing me more work
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User currently offlineNosedive From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 2175 times:

Beat me by a minute!

User currently offlineCornish From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 8187 posts, RR: 54
Reply 2, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 2175 times:

Quoting Nosedive (Reply 1):
Beat me by a minute!

LOL Great minds think alike  Smile



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User currently offlineAndreas From Germany, joined Oct 2001, 6104 posts, RR: 31
Reply 3, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 2168 times:

Quoting Cornish (Thread starter):
Does this mean that Schuey is going to make this his last season then ??

Well this could possibly be the case...and rumours are, that he will pronounce it this weekend. Well, looking at his statistics, I suspect he can be pretty sure NOT to lose most of his top positions (number of WCs, number of GP wins, of Pole Positions of whatnot) in a veeeery long time.



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User currently offlineCornish From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 8187 posts, RR: 54
Reply 4, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 2162 times:

Quoting Andreas (Reply 3):
Well, looking at his statistics, I suspect he can be pretty sure NOT to lose most of his top positions (number of WCs, number of GP wins, of Pole Positions of whatnot) in a veeeery long time.

If ever.

I'm really interested to see how Kovaleinen will do next season. Straight into a top-line drive after a season as test driver. He was beaten to the GP2 crown by rosberg last year, but it was generally regarded that Rosberg's team had found a very definite car advantage and that Kovaleinen is ultimately the better driver. That remains to be seen of course, and Renault are confident that they have a real talent on their hands.

However there are plenty of drivers who've been the next big thing that have burst into F1 and proved to be a big disappointment. Lets hope Heikki proves to be more of a Kimi or Alonso or Schuey, rather than a Magnussen or Modena.



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User currently offlineNosedive From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 2162 times:

Quoting Cornish (Reply 2):
Quoting Nosedive (Reply 1):Beat me by a minute!
LOL Great minds think alike  

 

As for Schumey, I hope to god he doesn't retire, as F1 loses a major benchmark, albeit 1 I hate.


STR is goin to V8s next yr, w/ Italian power rumored. Does this mean another twist the the RedBull(s) Ferrari drama?

As for Massa, I recall reading he seems pretty secure that he's staying w/ Ferrari.

But from here on out, it's all down to the tires (none of this Euro-tyre bullshit  )

[Edited 2006-09-06 12:33:34]

User currently offlineBA757 From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 2832 posts, RR: 14
Reply 6, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2153 times:

Quoting Cornish (Thread starter):
Now we await the big Ferrari announcement at Monza. Kimi must surely be announced now - but alonside Schuey or Massa.

Probably, but you still can't rule out Raikkonen remaining at Mclaren. It's still possible, though unlikely.

The next big question, who will be partnering Alonso at Mclaren next season?

Quoting Cornish (Thread starter):
Does this mean that Schuey is going to make this his last season then ??

Let's hope so.

Adam


User currently offlineAndreas From Germany, joined Oct 2001, 6104 posts, RR: 31
Reply 7, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2149 times:

Quoting Cornish (Reply 4):
Lets hope Heikki proves to be more of a Kimi or Alonso or Schuey, rather than a Magnussen or Modena.

Or another famous supertalent, Jean Alesi, crowd pleaser like no other, rain driver par excellence, nearly on a par with Schu and Senna, but, as a famous Austrian Racing Journalist once said about him:

Alesi got hold of the "Great Book about winning the WC"...he read some parts 100s of times and knows them by heart...and others he just skipped.

In the end you need 20 REAL top talents to create one REAL superstar, like Alonso or Kimi...and 100 to create a mega-champion like Schu or Senna



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User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2149 times:

Well, according to the Uber-reliable "Bild"-Zeitung, Schumi will be announcing his retirement after the race in Monza if he finishes under the Top 3. Take it with a grain of salt, though I think that for once "Bild" might actually be correct  Wink .

User currently offlineCornish From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 8187 posts, RR: 54
Reply 9, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2147 times:

Quoting BA757 (Reply 6):
Probably, but you still can't rule out Raikkonen remaining at Mclaren. It's still possible, though unlikely.

The next big question, who will be partnering Alonso at Mclaren next season?

It will need some seriously big money I suspect for him to stay - but by all accounts the relationship between him and Ron Dennis is shot to pieces.

But siging Aloso has made it far less imperative for McLaren to keep Kimi.

Quoting Andreas (Reply 7):
Or another famous supertalent, Jean Alesi, crowd pleaser like no other, rain driver par excellence, nearly on a par with Schu and Senna, but, as a famous Austrian Racing Journalist once said about him:

Alesi got hold of the "Great Book about winning the WC"...he read some parts 100s of times and knows them by heart...and others he just skipped.

All that talent and just one GP win to show for it. But he always drove with his heart rather thn his brain. That's why in 1990 when all the leading teams wanted to sign him he chose Ferrari just as they hit rock bottom for the next few seasons rather than Williams who then embarked on the most successful period in their history. Oops !



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User currently offlineCornish From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 8187 posts, RR: 54
Reply 10, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2144 times:

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 8):
Well, according to the Uber-reliable "Bild"-Zeitung,

 rotfl 

In that case we can assume he's signed a 5 year deal with McLaren then !!! Big grin



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User currently offlineAndreas From Germany, joined Oct 2001, 6104 posts, RR: 31
Reply 11, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2144 times:

Quoting Cornish (Reply 9):
when all the leading teams wanted to sign him he chose Ferrari just as they hit rock bottom for the next few seasons rather than Williams who then embarked on the most successful period in their history. Oops !

Just when he came to the part about successful teaming he fell asleep...poor boy! Big grin

I won't watch the race, but it's going to be fun to find out IF Ferrari finally manages to get their act together and get far ahead of Alonso to regain points.....it's about time!



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User currently offlineBa757gla From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2006, 760 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2136 times:

will MS really leave at the end of the season?

User currently offlineNosedive From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 2117 times:

hype:

Kimi ok to race Back is ok, and AA meetings in order...so I made that last part drunk  Wink
Klein looks to still have a job for the remainder of the season Welfare checks still expected in 2007
Fast and Wet is the way Aerowesty likes his race Your weather forecast
Flavio to stay on at Renault Duh
Zonta and Piquet Jr will test for Renault Good lineup for next yr
Vettel loaned to RB What'a whore!


User currently offlineBA757 From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 2832 posts, RR: 14
Reply 14, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 2116 times:

Quoting Ba757gla (Reply 12):
will MS really leave at the end of the season?

Flavio and Herbert seem to think so.

Quote:

Michael Schumacher will probably hang up his helmet at the end of the season regardless of whether he wins the World title, according to Flavio Briatore.

The Renault team boss, who guided Schumacher to his first two World titles with Benetton, believes the Ferrari driver is starting to make too many mistakes and because of that, he should quit. In fact, Briatore believes he will.

"He is not the same as he was four or five seasons ago, so for me it would be better if he stopped. That is what he will probably do at Monza," Briatore told Gazzetta dello Sport.

"Schumacher did not used to make these errors, and after many years of F1 he knows that his new, young and terrifying rivals push hard, they are hungry and have nothing to lose."

Meanwhile, Schumacher's former team-mate Johnny Herbert agrees that the German has a lot more to lose than F1's younger drivers and believes that should he win the title, Schumi should quit.

"Last time when Schumacher had the chance to retire at the top he didn't take it and that was a big mistake," he told The People newspaper.

"Michael needs to make sure that he doesn't carry on and ruin his reputation as one of the best drivers around because once you fail to quit at the top there is no turning back time.

"It's difficult to know when to quit, but if Michael claims the crown this year then he will have to walk away from F1 as a Champion."

http://www.planet-f1.com/News/Story_.../0,15909,3210_3213_1474272,00.html

Quoting Ba757gla (Reply 12):
Kimi ok to race Back is ok, and AA meetings in order...so I made that last part drunk

Nah, Kimi doesn't like a drink  Wink

Adam


User currently offlineLegoguy From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 3312 posts, RR: 40
Reply 15, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks ago) and read 2097 times:

Quoting Ba757gla (Reply 12):
will MS really leave at the end of the season?

Hehehehe MS turns up as Egyptair if you put your mouse over it.

Hopefully he will stop racing as it is time for him to call it aday, however it would be nice to see him remain in the team as a diector or something but I guess we will not see that for another few years or so.



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User currently offlineStretch 8 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 2568 posts, RR: 16
Reply 16, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 2088 times:

I fondly recall attending the F1 race at Monza in the early 1990s. What an experience! But F1 has not appealed to me in recent years. I'll come back to F1 when Marco Andretti signs with a top team, which is only a matter of time . . .


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User currently offlineBill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8440 posts, RR: 8
Reply 17, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2066 times:

No surprises about Kovalainen getting the race seat at Renault. It's now time to wonder about McLaren. The Ferrari driver line up is unlikley to spring any surprises. However is MS dosn't stay, it could be a real possibility that KR stays on at McLaren for another year unless Ferrari abolish their team orders with a view to building the team around KR like they've done with MS.

Quoting Nosedive (Reply 13):
Flavio to stay on at Renault Duh

I think the no weak link comment is going to come back and bite him. Anyone remember BARs grand claims they were going to win the championship in their first season?


User currently offlineHKGKaiTak From Australia, joined Jun 2005, 1050 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 2057 times:

Quoting Bill142 (Reply 17):
It's now time to wonder about McLaren. The Ferrari driver line up is unlikley to spring any surprises. However is MS dosn't stay, it could be a real possibility that KR stays on at McLaren for another year unless Ferrari abolish their team orders with a view to building the team around KR like they've done with MS.

I don't think so ... Kimi & Alonso to go head to head at McLaren would be every fan's dream, even more so than the prospect of JPM & Kimi at McLaren did. Can't see Ron Dennis lining up these two together at all.

My thoughts are, if Schumi wants to go on, he'll have to accept equal number one at Ferrari alongside Raikkonen.

If you were Montezomolo you'd have the bigger picture to worry about, ie what happens to Ferrari (financially, competitively, etc etc) after the Schumacher era is over (which may coincide with the end of the Todt/Brawn era too). You simply can't squander a multi-billion dollar business's future by sticking to what's always happened in the past.

I too am looking towards a Michael Schumacher retirement announcement after the race at Monza. And to announce it after a victory at the Ferrari heartland whilst working towards winning one final World Championship for the Scuderia would be a fitting end to a great career. (Although, of course, he has to win it first)

Massa will just have to sit it out a year - he'll still only be 27 in 2008 and already an F1 veteran with the best outfit, and a driver who's getting better and better all the times. Who knows? He may even be as fast as Raikkonen ... now that is a tantalising prospect.

Bring on Monza!



4 Engines 4 LongHaul
User currently offlineBill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8440 posts, RR: 8
Reply 19, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 2055 times:

Quoting HKGKaiTak (Reply 18):
My thoughts are, if Schumi wants to go on, he'll have to accept equal number one at Ferrari alongside Raikkonen.

If you were Montezomolo you'd have the bigger picture to worry about, ie what happens to Ferrari (financially, competitively, etc etc) after the Schumacher era is over (which may coincide with the end of the Todt/Brawn era too). You simply can't squander a multi-billion dollar business's future by sticking to what's always happened in the past.

Ferrari have to start future planning. Drafting Raikkonen and the building the team around him with MS still in the team isn't a bad idea. MS will simply have to accept a lesser amount of support. If he truly cares about the sucess and future of the team, he will race Raikkonen and allow the team to give KR the same support he enjoys.

Quoting HKGKaiTak (Reply 18):
Massa will just have to sit it out a year - he'll still only be 27 in 2008 and already an F1 veteran with the best outfit, and a driver who's getting better and better all the times. Who knows? He may even be as fast as Raikkonen ... now that is a tantalising prospect.

He's already sat out a year before. If he knows he has a guaranteed seat in 2008, he'll probably accept it.


User currently offlineHKGKaiTak From Australia, joined Jun 2005, 1050 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2053 times:

Quoting Bill142 (Reply 19):
He's already sat out a year before. If he knows he has a guaranteed seat in 2008, he'll probably accept it.

He's sat out twice before to test for Ferrari ... but that was when he was a fast driver who stuffs up big time every second race. Not as someone who has beaten Michael Schumacher and Fernando Alonso to his maiden Grand Prix victory.

Still, I'm sure the Todts would pay him very very handsomely to sit on the sidelines for a year.



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User currently offlineBill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8440 posts, RR: 8
Reply 21, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 2027 times:

Quoting HKGKaiTak (Reply 20):
He's sat out twice before to test for Ferrari

When was the other occasion?? I can only think of one year. Even then I have trouble putting a date on it.


User currently offlineBA757 From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 2832 posts, RR: 14
Reply 22, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2010 times:

Flav: We came close to signing Kimi
Flavio Briatore has admitted that Renault came close to signing Kimi Raikkonen before the Finn finally opted to sign for Ferrari.

The 26-year-old is expected to be announced as part of Ferrari's 2007 driver line-up after the Italian Grand Prix on Sunday, but Briatore claims that his last ditch swoop to sign Kimi came close to convincing him to change his mind.

"It was close enough to feel that we lost," Briatore told ITV Sport.

"We didn't expect Fernando [Alonso] to go and we moved a bit late."

Alonso announced late last year that he had signed a multi-year deal with McLaren-Mercedes, while Renault was still under its previous presidency and before the French manufacturer had committed to F1 long-term.

By the time Carlos Ghosn took over in May and committed Renault to the sport until at least 2008, Alonso was long gone.

Briatore believes however that had circumstances been different then, instead of missing out on both Alonso and Raikkonen, he would instead have secured a "dream team".

"My dream was to have Fernando and Kimi but it was not possible," he revealed.

"If the stability of the team management we have now had been in place then, then I think we could have kept him [Alonso].

"The timing just wasn't right."
http://www.itv-f1.com/News_Article.aspx?PO_ID=37253

Damn it, I'd much rather he see him in a Renault than a Ferrari!

Adam

[Edited 2006-09-08 18:25:53]

User currently offlineLegoguy From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 3312 posts, RR: 40
Reply 23, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 2000 times:

Quoting BA757 (Reply 22):
Damn it, I'd much rather he see him in a Renault than a Ferrari!

Yea same!!!

Vettel is still on top after his test session at the last grandprix. He has set the top times in both sessions today, although barely any ace drivers took part in the first session. Things aren't looking good for the 2007 spec honda engine, as Davidson managed to destroy two engines, one each during seach session. (although not his fault)



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User currently offlineDHHornet From United Kingdom, joined May 2006, 252 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 1998 times:

MS. Do you think he will walk away totally from F1? I just can't see it.
How about going to Toyota for the dosh or starting a new team with his Ferrarri mates?


25 BA757 : I doubt it. He will come back with his team, maybe with his brother, Schumacher Racing or something like. Most probably with a German engine and some
26 HKGKaiTak : He sat out 2003, and I remember a year after that as well ... didn't Sauber drop him for a second time? I can't recall the year either, so perhaps I
27 Aerobalance : With enough money, one can make anything happen. I'm 50/50 on M$ announcing his retirement Sunday, though I'm leaning toward the reality that he will
28 Bill142 : Toyota have a full line up for next year and I believe the season after. Really? Look at how much money Toyota have thrown at F1 and what success hav
29 Aerobalance : Do you believe that M$ will let that happen?
30 HKGKaiTak : I don't think he's silly enough to squander his own money into the blackhole of running a race team. Even Alain Prost in his most desperate years did
31 Aerobalance : Ok... Who said anything about his own money...Hell, look what Eddie Jordan did? Think about it guys...
32 Nosedive : 1. Kimi 2. MS 3. Quick Nick 4. Massa 5. Alonso Alonso looks to have his work cut out for him, what flew off his car?!
33 Legoguy : What a great qualifying session. Alonso went off track, burst his right rear tyre knocking some small parts off his car. Did a good job to grab 5th pl
34 Sudden : Kimi on pole! Great job, and I just hope he his did not have a to light car to beat the others. Just the fact that he have beaten Ferrari in their bac
35 Post contains images DAL767400ER : If this doesn't qualify as the closest Pole ever I'll eat my cell phone !
36 Legoguy : I forgot about him. He did a great job, as did Kubica! mmmmmmmm. Was there not one race where the top 2 times in the qualifying session were identica
37 Sudden : Rare,medium, or well done? Aim for the sky! Sudden
38 Post contains images DAL767400ER : Well done, I don't like it too bloody . For that case, I have the loophole in my comment that stated "closest", not identical . So unless you manage
39 Legoguy : LOL, im not sure that there was ever identical pole times, but there has certainly been identical times through out the grid on occasions
40 Post contains links BA757 : Alonso has been dropped to 10 place on the grid. Looks a bit better for Michael now, doesn't it...? Adam edit. http://www.itv-f1.com/News_Article.aspx
41 Legoguy : Ahhh Bollocks I was waiting for that to happen! He was never that close to Massa as to impede him!!!
42 Sudden : Makes me wonder, if this was to happen at Silverstone, or any other track, if the decision would have been the same. Sure, the stewards travels aroun
43 Legoguy : It also makes me wonder, if Massa was not Schumi's team mate, would he have complained at all? When I watched it, Massa was not really that close to
44 Post contains images Duff44 : Is that grilled Nokia I smell?? 1997 European GP (Jerez): 1st - Jacques Villeneuve - 1:21.072 2nd - Michael Schumacher - 1:21.072 3rd - Heinz-Harald
45 Post contains images Legoguy : Hahahahaha YES! I knew it! We went one better. Three identical times. Make sure you take some pictures of before and after your yummy meal! It's unbe
46 Post contains images DAL767400ER : Good thing I didn't throw away my old cell phone . Siemens. I only eat high-quality German cell phones . Given that I never even posts shots of myself
47 HKGKaiTak : We don't get to watch the qualifying sessions here but ... IMHO Ferrari are just playing the card to unstabilise the Renault team as much as possible
48 Duff44 : Forecast I just saw for MXP : 26ºC/78ºF and sunny
49 Legoguy : Hahahahaha What happened? I gotta admit, I wasn't really into Formula One as much then. That reminds me, the fact that the track was resurfaced in so
50 Jamesbuk : Out of interest can i ask why? Rgds --James--
51 Legoguy : They're team colours are red! I hate red! Only messing! Ever since Eddie Irvine left the team, the team has always put Michael Schumacher first. The
52 Duff44 : Eddie was #1 only when Michael wasn't hurt (Schumi broke his leg at the 1999 British GP) You can't stop otherwise you can be passed. And if he'd stop
53 Jamesbuk : What about alonso a couple weeks ago? on the warm up when schumi was 1st alonso waited 15 seconds after schumi had stopped to enter the grid, thats n
54 Post contains images Legoguy : Thats what happened. I think Barichello was told by Ferrari to block the pitlane entrance. Neither Barichello or Ferrari were punished however it was
55 Post contains links Bill142 : What utter rubbish! Talk about whinge and win. Massa qualified ahead of Alonso so his argument is almost null and void. It could be that Alonso was wa
56 Sudden : Very true and Massa did not do this to help his own case, but more to support his team mate, so Schumi can have more space to play with. Still, Can n
57 Post contains links DavestanKSAN : Here's the video from Massa's on board camera: http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?...299101372994615882&q=OnBoard+Massa A BS call IMO. Alonso probabl
58 MauriceB : Anyway, they also anounced today that midland F1 (former Jorden) will be taken over by the dutch sports car manufacter called ''spyker'' the new bos,
59 Waterpolodan : I wish everyone would lay off the Ferrari bashing with this penalty. If anything, the stewards are the ones deserving of the blame. I agree that Alons
60 Sudden : That does not mean that the the decision is right that the stewards made, does it!? Aim for the sky! Sudden
61 Kaddyuk : Ferrari take part blame for the Penalty... Alonso could still jump Massa, not on the track but in the pits... Being in 10th place, Renault can play t
62 Legoguy : Once you think about it, Alonso was already in 10th place before that last brilliant lap, so either way, he was screwed. Ferrari supplied all the dat
63 Sudden : As the fuel from Q3 should be the one they carry on to the grid today, I am not so sure Alonso is allowed to do this. If that was the main plan from
64 Legoguy : I hope Fisi is full of fuel considering he never stuck in a brilliant lap yesterday! I just realised that the Italian directors are that good. Yester
65 Sudden : LOL! Because they thought that Schumi was safe after he crossed the line, but behind came Kimi and Wham bam thank you mam. Aim for the sky! Sudden
66 Bill142 : Alonso is no where near Massa! What rubbish! Not Really. Unfortunatley, I agree that Ferrari aren't to blame here. Massa had every right to make a co
67 Legoguy : Welldone Kubica for a good start. As for Heidfeld, as soon as he decided to go down the right side on the track I knew he would lose 2nd place. Alonso
68 Bill142 : Bah! MS passed Kimi during the stops! Thankfully Alonso is not stuck behind Button anymore.
69 Legoguy : No but he's stuck behind Heidfeld now! BAH! LOL. Also, Fisi and Barichello still have not stopped so a possible 1 stopper for those guys. Alonso reall
70 Legoguy : Alonso now up to third after passing Kubica in the pits and MAssa on the track. Yehar! Hopefully Kubica can stand his ground against Massa. Great driv
71 Nosedive : 2 points b/w FA and MS... MS is done at the end of this season, so does Kimi take his seat?
72 Duff44 : Schumacher retiring... announced it at the press conference
73 Jamesbuk : Well schumis retiring, if you ask me F-1 will miss him. rgds --James--
74 DAL767400ER : Excellent result, Schumi first, his successor Kimi second, Kubica third after a brilliant performance, and Alonso out. Now, all Schumi has to do is ea
75 BA757 : Ughh, the race didn't record - guess I'll be watching the highlights tonight. Looks like we had an ok Italian GP. Kubica sounds to have done amazingly
76 Bill142 : Good riddance to bad rubbish! It's now down to a tightrope situation thanks to the FIA championship fixing committee.
77 Gkirk : Dodgy Australian gits...
78 Post contains images HKGKaiTak : Well Alonso's engine blew up anyhow so whatever happened in qualifying is academic now. Although it did have one good consequence, Massa slid off on
79 Post contains images Aleksandar : Dammit, I couldn't watch the race , but the results promise us great finale.
80 Bill142 : Dosn't change the fact that the stewards got it so blatantly wrong. Problem with that is, they weren't on the back foot. Both Ferraris qualified ahea
81 StealthZ : It certainly seems that way, Michelin tyres that were OK for years are banned after Max visits Marenello, Mass dampers OKd by FIA are banned after Ch
82 Post contains images Bill142 : Read my signature
83 HKGKaiTak : I meant the championship situation with Ferrari 2 points behind and Schumacher 12 points behind. The stewarts obviously decided Ferrari needed all th
84 Post contains images DavestanKSAN : Wait, so you're agreeing with me then? Sorry hard to tell Dave
85 Post contains images Gkirk : Whats the points difference between Schumi and Alonso (does he not work for Airbus? ) now?
86 Post contains links DavestanKSAN : Haha. Shumi is now 2 points back of Alonso in the WDC, and Ferrari is 3 points ahead of Renault in the WCC. http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/moto.../f
87 Bill142 : Yes I am agreeing with you. Do you ever post anything constructive?
88 DavestanKSAN : Ahh okay, sorry!! Cheers for your quick response. Dave
89 Paulc : Perhaps Alonso will take a leaf out out of Schui's book on 'how to cheat to become world champion' by taking him off in each of the remaining races. I
90 Bill142 : If he has any self pride he won't.
91 Post contains images Andreas : I wonder what will happen next year...you favourite enemy gone, just a few brats and their ridiculous old managers, I mean really, Forumla 1 will fin
92 BA757 : Indeed, one of the test pilots for the A380 is called Fernando Alonso. I thought I was the only one to have noticed that. Adam[Edited 2006-09-11 14:2
93 HKGKaiTak : I noticed that on Airbus's first A380 press release too. I remember the guy was interviewed in the A380 doco, and IIRC he looks more than old enough
94 Post contains links Legoguy : Yea same here etc etc http://www.itv-f1.com/News_Article.aspx?PO_ID=37339 Above is an article describing how Renault team principal Flavio Briatore c
95 Bill142 : I doubt anything will happen. The comments weren't made directly to the media. They simply overheard by a journalist. Secondly the FIA aren't exactly
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