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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16859 posts, RR: 51
Posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 4748 times:

After several previous designs were discarded the final Design for the World Trade Center is complete. Here's the specifics.

Four towers all over 1,000ft, there's no place else in the world where four towers over 1,000 ft are being built at the same time and in the same complex. There are no identical "Twin Towers", there are fraternal twins. There are two buildings that are taller than the Former Twin Towers of the World Trade Center , however they are not identical thus "fraternal".

World Trade Center Tower 1 (Freedom Tower), surpasses the height of the original Twin Towers. The completion date is 2011.

World Trade Center Tower 2 (200 Greenwich Street) will also be taller than the former Twin Towers (but not as tall as WTC 1) has been designed by Sir Norman Foster who's other projects include Hong Kong's International Airport terminal, Stansted Airport Terminal, Bilbao Spain Metro, London Millennium Footbridge and The Reichstag building in Berlin. Complettion 2012.

World Trade Center Tower 3 (175 Greenwich Street) has been designed by Lord Richard Rogers who's work includes Terminal 5 Heathrow Airport and Madrid's Barajas Airport. WTC 3 will be 1,155 ft tall, for comparison the former World Trade Center Twin Towers were 1,300ft tall. Completion 2011.

World Trade Center Tower 4 (150 Greenwich Street) has been designed by Fumihiko Maki, completion date 2011.

World Trade Center Transit Hub, designed by Santiago Calatrava who's work includes HSB Turning Torso Sweeden, 2004 Athens Olympic Complex, Milwaukee Art Museum, Gare do Oriente Lisbon Portugal, Ciutat de les Arts i les Ciències and the Lyon Airport TGV station. The World Trade Center Transit hub serves the PATH commuter rail system, the PATH (Port Authority Trans Hudson Rail Road) is owned by the Port Authority of NY and NJ who also owns the World Trade Center, EWR, JFK, LGA and TEB airports as well as the 6 crossings between NYC and NJ and Port Newark the 3rd busiest port in the Country. The Transit Hub includes the PATH station which will handle 200,000 daily riders, and an under ground concourse which will connect with the World Financial Center across the Street from the World Trade Center, the Battery Park Ferry Terminal (currently under construction), the various World Trade Center buildings and the Fulton Street Transit Hub being built by the MTA. The completion date for the Calatrava transit hub is 2009.

World Trade Center 7 was the last building to collapse on September 11th 2001, it's the first building to be rebuilt and was completed over the Summer. As of now it's 2/3 leased. World Trade Center 5 and 6 will be built across the Street from the World Trade Center but be connected via the under ground Transit Complex. Those designs have not been completed.

The September 11 memorial as well as a performing arts center designed by Frank Gehry who's work includes the Guggenheim Museum Bilbao Spain, Walt Disney Concert Hall Los Angeles and the Experience Music Project (EMP) in Seattle are also being developed.

Here's the renderings released today, construction has already started on World Trade Center 1 (Freedom Tower), the Calatrava Transit Hub, and the September 11th memorial, construction on WTC 3 and 4 will begin soon. World Trade Center 2 will be started a little later as their needs to be more repairs made to the slurry wall holding back the Hudson River in the location where the Tower will rise.

World Trade Center Tower 1 (Freedom Tower)



World Trade Center Tower 2



World Trade Center Tower 3



World Trade Center Tower 4



World Trade Center Transit Hub (PATH Station)

http://www.pathrestoration.com/drp/images/gallery/wtcth/2005/08/TermStLevelNight.jpg

Here's renderings from today showing everything together:





View From New Jersey:

http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/66458468/original.jpg

Site map http://www.wtc.com/download.aspx?id=199-w

Large view from New Jersey, note the PATH hub between Towers 2 and 3.

http://wtc.com/download.aspx?id=197-w


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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16859 posts, RR: 51
Reply 1, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 4748 times:

For more details and renderings check out the developer's website:
http://www.wtc.com



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User currently offlineMdsh00 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4124 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 4717 times:

It looks nice. Though nothing like that original design that was unveiled before.


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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21564 posts, RR: 55
Reply 3, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 4706 times:

I hope I eat my words on this, but it looks like "too many cooks" just found a new definition. Each building on its own is very nice - I question how well they will go together.

Two freedom towers and two of those WTC4 buildings - that would look good.

-Mir



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User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 968 posts, RR: 51
Reply 4, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 4688 times:

Each of the towers do look nice individually.

I still think a twin-tower layout is most appropriate, ideally based upon the new Tower 1 design. The Freedom Tower (IMO at least) blends a good deal of the original WTC design with some modern influences. It's the next best thing to rebuilding the original towers (with new safety features, of course) near the original site.


User currently offlineNewark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 30
Reply 5, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 4685 times:

At this point, I'm just sick of taking the PATH into the city and coming out the other end in a hole. It's about time to get the site back up and running.

Harry



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User currently offlineTedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 4669 times:

I have to say the Jersey view does make it seem like the city and the towers leading to the Freedom tower are sloping in an appropriate maner. This makes it seem like the buildings are more a part of the surroundings, as opposed to where the twins just dominated the south end sky line. I have an appreciation for what is done, it's seems a bit more forward thinking.

BUT

While it's more blended, and in some ways 'nicer'; NOTHING is as suitable a replacement as the original towers (slightly updated) to me. Sure they kind of rose up and said 'eff you we are here' it's the kind of statment I think best answers the question of our true resolve.


User currently offlineNWA742 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 4652 times:

Although it looks great, and will look even better in real life, I still regret that I never saw the WTC New York skyline in real life. Things will never be the same.




-NWA742


User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13554 posts, RR: 62
Reply 8, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 4613 times:
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Quoting TedTAce (Reply 6):
NOTHING is as suitable a replacement as the original towers (slightly updated) to me.

I'm in agreement. The new design is nice, but I'd love to see a return of the original Yamasaki design, with the memorial still based on the original footprints:

http://www.triroc.com/wtc/


http://www.triroc.com/wtc/pix/memorials4.jpeg

[Edited 2006-09-08 12:21:08]


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User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 4599 times:

Would have loved to see the original towers return as well, though I gotta say that I like this 4-tower design, especially Tower 2. Tower 3 to me for some reason looks very Sears Tower'esque.

User currently offlineOneworldman From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 190 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 4588 times:

Quoting Newark777 (Reply 5):
At this point, I'm just sick of taking the PATH into the city and coming out the other end in a hole. It's about time to get the site back up and running.

You and me both. Not to mention all the tourist that stand on the stairs of the bridge that i use to cross West street (Just so that they can get the perfect shot). I nknow I need to be courteous, but sometimes I just want to yell(GET THE F*CK OUT OF MY WAY)



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User currently offlineDL021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11447 posts, RR: 75
Reply 11, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 4570 times:
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There will always be differing opinions about the new towers, but I'm ready to see something built and these buildings are beautiful, whether or not they're aesthetically correct for that proximity.

It's time to get that area back to work with normal everyday New York, New York, USA business.



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User currently offlineSulman From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2035 posts, RR: 32
Reply 12, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 4541 times:

I like the new designs, I look forward to seeing them.

As to rebuilding the towers to the original plans, why do it? I notice that the scale model for this idea shows some interesting features - the famous 22" steel - 22" Glass pattern has been replaced with much larger, squarer windows. It would look odd - the Yamasaki design had a highly unusual appearance (almost like a solid steel edifice) thanks to the narrow windows.

I think seeing the skeletal outline of the original lobby would be very eerie.


Cheers


James



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User currently offlineRichardPrice From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 4530 times:

Quoting Sulman (Reply 12):
As to rebuilding the towers to the original plans, why do it?

Defiance.


User currently offlineComorin From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4896 posts, RR: 16
Reply 14, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 4518 times:

Quoting DL021 (Reply 11):
It's time to get that area back to work with normal everyday New York, New York, USA business.

 thumbsup 

Exactly! The victims were ordinary people just going about their work, and we need to restore that feeling back to Downtown.

Quoting Newark777 (Reply 5):
At this point, I'm just sick of taking the PATH into the city and coming out the other end in a hole. It's about time to get the site back up and running.

 thumbsup 

The site is really busy now now that the strike's over. That PATH Loop around the site was the eeriest experience, don't you think?

BTW, did you notice the 'moving' Johnny Walker ad that you see projected as you approach Exchange Place? How do they do that ???

Quoting Mir (Reply 3):
Two freedom towers and two of those WTC4 buildings - that would look good.

 thumbsup 

Agreed! The WTC4 is the most elegant design of the lot. The original WTC had a timeless simplicity to it, and I am afraid that the new overwrought designs of T1-T3 will not stand the test of timelessness.

I used to work on the 86th floor of WTC1, and it was a great building with a life of its own. I did have a problem with the narrow 22" windows but that was a minor peeve.

As for the new layout - too many cooks...


User currently offlineTNNH From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 219 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 4475 times:

lets get this shit built. im sure they;ll be beautiful, but i also deeply miss the old Yamasaki design, so imposing.

User currently offlineNewark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 30
Reply 16, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 4442 times:

Quoting Oneworldman (Reply 10):
You and me both. Not to mention all the tourist that stand on the stairs of the bridge that i use to cross West street (Just so that they can get the perfect shot). I nknow I need to be courteous, but sometimes I just want to yell(GET THE F*CK OUT OF MY WAY)

I remember a few weeks ago, I was meeting someone at the WTC station before we took the 4 up to Yankee Stadium, and watching half the people just standing there looking at the site, and the other half normal NYers going about their normal business, was just a surreal sight.

Quoting Comorin (Reply 14):

The site is really busy now now that the strike's over. That PATH Loop around the site was the eeriest experience, don't you think?

It really is. I remember right after they reopened the PATH, I took it in, and I remember thinking as we entered the pit, that it was just the eeriest feeling. My father still does it every day, as he did before the attacks, and says you just get used to it.

Quoting Comorin (Reply 14):

BTW, did you notice the 'moving' Johnny Walker ad that you see projected as you approach Exchange Place? How do they do that ???

I didn't, I'll have to look for the next time I go in.

Harry



Why grab a Heine when you can grab a Busch?
User currently offlineGregtx From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 216 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 4412 times:

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 6):
NOTHING is as suitable a replacement as the original towers

They were two of the most unimaginative building every constructed---receiving very few positive architectural review. There were landmark architecture soley because there were two of them.

I'd much rather see something spectacular in it's place.....but apparently that's not going to happen either! The renderings here seem designed primarily to 'fill' the skyline.

What happened to the beautiful renditions with the huge spires?


User currently offlineSlamClick From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 10062 posts, RR: 68
Reply 18, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 4409 times:

Quoting Gregtx (Reply 17):
They were two of the most unimaginative building every constructed

Don't think I agree with that. It takes some courage to go really simple in a design, which they did. The merging columns down near the base kept it from being too plain. Count me as one who liked them on the lower Manhattan skyline and misses them.

I never liked the idea of spires - too Baptist. These are office buildings. The place doesn't need much in the way of formal commemoration. Lincoln had it right about Gettysburg!

I don't mean to be flippant or disrespectful but I hope they put the Phalanx system on these.



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User currently offlineGregtx From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 216 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 4398 times:

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 18):
Don't think I agree with that. It takes some courage to go really simple in a design, which they did.

Unfortunately, it wasn't courage---it was cost that dictated that plain design (the modular construction saved millions--although making a weak structure). It was, at that point, the single largest private building venture undertaken and was almost halted for lack of funding at one point.

Of course, as they became ingrained in our culture, they stopped being just structures---and more monumental in nature.

You have a good point with the spires...I wasn't thinking of any particular religious aspect--but that would do it....


User currently offlineSulman From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2035 posts, RR: 32
Reply 20, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 4375 times:

Quoting Gregtx (Reply 19):
Unfortunately, it wasn't courage---it was cost that dictated that plain design (the modular construction saved millions--although making a weak structure). It was, at that point, the single largest private building venture undertaken and was almost halted for lack of funding at one point.

I don't think it was weak; it was an extremely innovative approach to building high, and to maximise the Port Authority's floorspace requirements.

The towers themselves were incredibly strong, and structurally performed exactly as intended; it was after all an extraordinarily malicious event, that nobody could have foreseen, that destroyed them.



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39854 posts, RR: 74
Reply 21, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 4364 times:

Looks like junk!
The Trump idea was best.



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User currently offlineGregtx From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 216 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 4328 times:

Quoting Sulman (Reply 20):
I don't think it was weak; it was an extremely innovative approach to building high, and to maximise the Port Authority's floorspace requirements

Nevertheless, it was cost that dictated the ultimate design...not creativity or beauty. Whether you like the look or not....it's subjective. It received, at best, lukewarm reviews at the building design debut in the mid/late sixties (check Architectural Record, New York Times, or the such...). Clearly, the novelty was in the 'twin' towers...not the aesthetics of the buildings. Each, by itself, is unremarkable. But since it was never meant to be without it's twin, that point is moot.

Quoting Sulman (Reply 20):
The towers themselves were incredibly strong

It was adequate but certainly not ''incredibly" so. The construction method itself (using a portion of the building curtain as major part of the structural fortification) was rejected by most engineers shortly after both towers were completed. At least in building half it's height.

I agree that the terrorist event was not a good indicator of building integrity--no argument there.

I'll correct a small error earlier, I meant to say the largest public/private venture at the time (not just private).

Nevertheless, the new plan is not very extraordinary for a location that all of America would like to be see become not only an address, but a landmark.


User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16859 posts, RR: 51
Reply 23, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 4293 times:

Trump does not develop office buildings, typical Trump was just using that whole rebuild these towers at the World Trade Center as a gimic to draw attention to his dying tv Show.

There's been no peep out of him since, his intentions were 100% self indulgent.



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User currently offlineThereAndBack From Turkey, joined Aug 2005, 699 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 4274 times:

Quoting STT757 (Thread starter):
World Trade Center Tower 1 (Freedom Tower)

I like all the other towers except freedom tower it looks like a fatter version of the Shanghai World Financial Center.



25 Photopilot : You know, the sad truth is that if the City of New York and the US Gov't had quietly gone about just rebuilding the WTC complex, with dignity and grac
26 Comorin : I'll cast my vote on the WTC as being two of the most beautiful buildings in the world. It was iconic of the strength and energy of New York - a moder
27 Aloha717200 : The original WTC was spectacular because of how large and imposing it was, thats what made it famous, its dominance...and also what made it a target.
28 Cfalk : Actually, that might not be such a bad idea.
29 BO__einG : ^^ I think a CIWS would be a GREAT idea! One on each tower, but if say one were to be built on the Freedom Tower to cover the entire complex, it could
30 ACDC8 : As nice as the buildings are on their own, some how the skyline photo just doesn't seem right. They look out of place, almost like a scene out of an o
31 Post contains images RJ111 : Although it looks very nice. I thought the original design was unbeatable. Some of these buildings are too pretty, they have no diginity. The original
32 Aloha717200 : I agree.
33 777236ER : Are you joking? They were disgustingly ugly!
34 CPDC10-30 : Absolutley. I wish they would have rebuilt the exterior of the new towers the same as the original ones, but with changes to the internal structures
35 Post contains images Jetmatt777 : I agree. I liked the old towers. The new ones don't show any power or authority to me. None of the new buildings look good to me, the old one look so
36 Aither : Hope this time they'll be build with concrete...
37 Post contains images Planesarecool : Will these buildings allow smoother evacuations, in the case that the events of 9/11 were to be repeated? I think I'm right in saying that in the orig
38 Post contains links and images STT757 : The tallest building in NYC right now is the Empire State Building, after these buildings are built it will be the third or Fourth tallest building in
39 Sudden : Makes me wonder how many people will actually want to work their again!? Maybe it is just me but I think this place should be left as it is. Just lea
40 STT757 : That's what former Mayor Rudolph Giulianni wanted, just a memorial and park.
41 Superfly : ...and 100% better looking than the junk that's going up in it's place.
42 STT757 : It was hallow, he never intended anything to happen. He never proposed moving any of his employees there or to fund it. He just rode the publicity fo
43 Superfly : ...and 100% better looking than the junk that's going up in it's place.
44 AirPacific747 : It does look very nice but I too would prefer an updated version of the original twin towers
45 Post contains images Superfly : Agreed! They wont. The terrorist have won. They have permanently changed the Manhattan Skyline and a cheesy tower with fake height is going up in it'
46 EA CO AS : I especially agree with the "fake height" comment - why get the height out of a spire? I want to see occupied floors that high, dammit!
47 Post contains links and images STT757 : The floor height of the new 1 WTC will be higher than the 1,300 ft of the former Twin Towers, if your measuring the spire it goes to 1,776ft. There's
48 Post contains images Superfly : I don't like it! I just don't like it!   [Edited 2006-09-12 03:29:58]
49 Post contains images STT757 : Seven World Trade Center was the last building to collapse on September 11th 2001, it's the first building to be rebuilt. It was completed in May and
50 STT757 : Since you live on the West Coast you don't have to worry about it, those of us living in the NYC Metropolitan area will be the ones looking at it whi
51 Dragon-wings : I was going to say the exact same thing. I hope when they are built it will look better, but the photo with those new buildings don't look right with
52 Corey07850 : I'd love to be the guy that files the 7460-1 with the FAA for the construction on these buildings... or even the notams.... "Crane 1800' AGL"
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