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9/11, 5 Years Ago Today  
User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12155 posts, RR: 17
Posted (8 years 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4390 times:
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Five years ago today the world changed for ever. Five years ago today thousands of people lost their lives for no reason. May the memory of those victims remain in our hearts for ever

May the children whos dads/mums they never knew who were fire fighters, police officers and all the other heros on that day know that there dads/mums died while trying to save the lives of those injured. May the children of the victims on the four flights and on the ground that they never knew always keep them close to their heart


RIP

"Lets Roll"

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User currently offlineJush From Germany, joined Apr 2005, 1636 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (8 years 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4379 times:

It's 9/10 but hey you definitely wanted to start the thread first, right  Wink

It definitely changed the world but what I hate is that all these stupid conspiracies which mention the loss of people and the grief as motor for their bullshit all really a disgrace for the victims and their families. And to all the lifes lost.

Regds
jush



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User currently offlineEHHO From Bulgaria, joined Dec 2005, 815 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (8 years 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4374 times:

Wow, is it 9/11 already down in Kiwi?

I think we should all pause for a moment today/tomorrow to remember that awful day. Will A.net do something, like the thematic front page we had on X-mas?



"Get your facts first. Then you may distort them as much as you please" -- Mark Twain
User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 3, posted (8 years 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4302 times:

Quoting 777ER (Thread starter):
Five years ago today the world changed for ever

9/11...??? I didn't even happen for another 24hours...



"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, but the size of the fight in the dog"
User currently offlineVHVXB From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 5525 posts, RR: 18
Reply 4, posted (8 years 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4284 times:

Quoting EHHO (Reply 2):
Wow, is it 9/11 already down in Kiwi?

Yes. The clocks there are very fast.

Quoting Jush (Reply 1):
stupid conspiracies which mention the loss of people and the grief as motor for their bullshit all really a disgrace for the victims and their families. And to all the lifes lost.

yeah I agree some of them have gone too far.


User currently offlineN754PR From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (8 years 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4235 times:

9/11..... oh yeah that. Like I could forget withe the movies, TV show's and what not.

User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12155 posts, RR: 17
Reply 6, posted (8 years 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 4077 times:
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Quoting EHHO (Reply 2):
Wow, is it 9/11 already down in Kiwi?

Yes its already 9/11 here in New Zealand. Its 7.25am now


User currently offlineMtnWest1979 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 2458 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (8 years 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 4059 times:

Quoting 777ER (Reply 6):
Yes its already 9/11 here in New Zealand. Its 7.25am now

Then wouldn't early AM 9/11 in US be 9/12 there?



"If it ain't broke, don't fix it!"
User currently offlineSE210Caravelle From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 258 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (8 years 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3993 times:

Quoting 777ER (Thread starter):
Five years ago today the world changed for ever.

Correction: your world. Don't you see, by changing our world the terrorists have won. I live no differently after September 11th.

Quoting 777ER (Thread starter):
Five years ago today thousands of people lost their lives for no reason.

There was a reason.

Quoting Jush (Reply 1):
what I hate is that all these stupid conspiracies which mention the loss of people and the grief as motor for their bullshit all really a disgrace for the victims and their families.

The conspiracy theories are ridiculous, but to say those who suscribe to that thought process or those who research and develop them are disgracing the victims and family, is terribly ignorant. These are the people who question authority and ask questions. What is disgraceful is when one accepts what others tell them without challenging or questioning it.

What would the world be if we all took for truth what our government told us.


My sincere condolences go to the few families who lost their loved ones due to the criminal acts on 9/11. But we don't need to remember them everyday or even on an anniversary, for gods sake, I never even knew them. It does nothing but make us afraid and fear doesn't help anything.


User currently offlineDtwclipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (8 years 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3976 times:

Quoting SE210Caravelle (Reply 8):
There was a reason.

Do tell us your theory.


User currently offlineCentrair From Japan, joined Jan 2005, 3598 posts, RR: 20
Reply 10, posted (8 years 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3802 times:

Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 9):
Do tell us your theory.

This thread will go non-aviation very quickly. Might as well move it now.

Shall we take theory or historical facts over the past 100 years...

The Middle East was carved up by western powers and handed over to families that could control and still be friends to the west.
After WWII UN creates Isreal and carves up Palestine.
This makes many Muslims unhappy and feel threatened by the west.

The people of these countries didn't support these leaders and had little choice.
Iran falls in an Islamic revolution
France offers asylum to the Sha of Iran
Iraq falls in a coup d'estate
Iraq and Iran have a war. US doesn't like Iran so we buddy buddy up with Iraq. But after that war, we decide we don't like Iraq either...Saddam is unstable (Rumsfeld under Reagan met numerous times with Saddam and even called him a friend of the US.)

Can't forget what led to the Taliban...
US supports a war against the Soviet Union. The US trained and supplied arms to a small band of "Afghani freedom fighters" lead by those who were willing to fight. The leader was a young Osama Bin Ladin. In exchange for Afghanistan beating the Soviet, the US had offered food, clothing, investing and help with establishing a new government. But following the withdrawl of the Soviet from Afghanistan, the US pulled out leaving a vaccum and hatred..betray. Islamic Fundementalists preaching jihad against the US come to power.

So do they really hate "American Democracy" and the "American way of life"? Who knows. Were they betrayed by western powers? Yes. If you were betrayed by someone after they offered help, would you want to have revenge?

It is amazing how the US can talk about Islamic fundementalists as the greatest threat yet the rhetoric coming out of Al Qaeda is just as bad as what comes out of the Christian Fundementalists in the US. Those that believe the US should be a 100% Christian nation and go around preaching convert or face wrath.

So...What is the reason? There has to be a reason. They didn't just wake up and say "We hate America...so let's fly planes into buildings." There are reasons for actions. We must understand those reasons and what spurred them so we can prevent them in the future. Some moves we make today could create major problems tomorrow. Do you think the little boy whose father is accidentally killed by a US soldier in Iraq will grow up respecting the US and its allies? Or will he want to seek revenge? He who grows up without food, drink, good housing, and infighting going to blame the religious leaders holding books or those with guns?

I call 9/11 the "Day of Unity" and believe we should all be united in showing the best that humans can show. The US suffered the brunt, but the world responded. It is a day of mourning, a day of rememberance and a day to be united as humans in the hope of understanding and peace on our planet.



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User currently offlineJcf5002 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 289 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (8 years 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3785 times:

As an American, and as part of the next generation of Americans, I want to thank all of you in other countries who have stood by and with us. Here on the east coast, it is officially September 11.

I still get choked up whenever I see the videos or even think about that day. I remember where I was (10th grade Algebra 2) when I heard about the tragedy. I remember the next day, looking up at a plane-less sky: No billowing white contrails; no soft roar of a high-flying 737; no buzz of a lower Cessna 172. I live near Washington DC, which typically gets a high amount of air traffic, and let me tell you: The silence was deafening.

I never thought I would be scared to see a plane in the sky, but the Friday after 9/11/01, two F-16Cs, fully armed flew about 500-1000' over my house, while providing escort to the VH-3s of HMX-1, the Presidential helicopters. To see those grey fighters, and to know, FOR SURE, that they were armed and prepared to fire, frightened me.

I don't know or care about how you feel about my government, or its actions after the attacks, but, for the most part, the free world has stood by and supported the American people. From the bottom of my heart: Thank You.

-Jeff

[Edited 2006-09-11 06:04:24]


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User currently offlineAaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 8152 posts, RR: 26
Reply 12, posted (8 years 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3695 times:

Excellent post Centrair.

Many of us are still reeling from this event. Strip away the politics, the jingoism and even the reasons for just a moment and what are we left with?
Humanity. The incredible capacity of humans to do incredible things is so easily overshadowed by the despicable harm we do to one another by choice. This particular event was a staggering reminder of that.

I'll never forget that day, and I'll never see the images without fighting back tears. And it has to be that way.



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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12155 posts, RR: 17
Reply 13, posted (8 years 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3655 times:
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Quoting SE210Caravelle (Reply 8):
Quoting 777ER (Thread starter):
Five years ago today the world changed for ever.

Correction: your world. Don't you see, by changing our world the terrorists have won. I live no differently after September 11th.

Well the world did change for ever, weither you like it or not. The world became aware that terrirosts can easily do something as sick as what they did and how much the whole world was at risk. The world must carry on as before, even thou it will be hard for many, like the thousands of children who lost a parent or both of their parents, a wife, husband, mother, father, brother, sister, son, daughter, auntie, uncle, grandparent who lost their loved one, the world must carry on

Quoting SE210Caravelle (Reply 8):
Quoting 777ER (Thread starter):
Five years ago today thousands of people lost their lives for no reason.

There was a reason.

Because of a group of thugs who had nothing better to do then murder thousands of people who did NOTHING to them.


User currently offlineConcentriq From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 368 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (8 years 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3627 times:

Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 12):
Excellent post Centrair.

ditto. so few realize, or even entertain the idea that the attack might have been a reaction rather than action. However, the ones that perished most likely weren't involved in the cause and died for no other reason than being in the US and in WTC or on doomed flights, and THAT is what is unfortunate. Welcome to my RU Centrair.



Mobilis In Mobili
User currently offlineCptkrell From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3220 posts, RR: 12
Reply 15, posted (8 years 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 3516 times:

Few events are indellible in my own mind; I remember exactly what I was doing and where I was when President Kennedy announced the Cuban missile embargo, when he was shot, when his brother was shot and the last two space shuttle disasters. But...I can't remember the dates offhand.

I of course remember all of the above including the date of these terrorist attacks. And, I will for the remainder of my lifetime (barring mental incapacity), and I will for my lifetime thank the rest of those worldwide that stood behind the USA immediately after the events in a show of unity. Sadly, this has changed, but I will not go into that now. Kind regards...jack



all best; jack
User currently offlineTexan From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 4278 posts, RR: 52
Reply 16, posted (8 years 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 3510 times:

Thought maybe y'all would like this. Very poignant. God bless.



Texan



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User currently offlinePawsleykat From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 1978 posts, RR: 11
Reply 17, posted (8 years 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 3504 times:

It's pretty freaky to think that, as a 9 year old at the time, I was sent home due to sickness. I watched it live on the news and then I knew my world had changed. I had heard of terrorists like the IRA before but never anything like this. On a single day in September 2001, many people's worlds changed. As I have said before, "God bless" to the victims and "God Speed" to the heroic firefighters and police that were killed that day.

"UNITED WE STAND"

JG



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User currently offlineAirTran737 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3704 posts, RR: 12
Reply 18, posted (8 years 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 3478 times:
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Nice Trip Report!!! Great Pics, thanks for posting!!!! B747Forever
User currently offlineAirTran737 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3704 posts, RR: 12
Reply 19, posted (8 years 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 3467 times:
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Nice Trip Report!!! Great Pics, thanks for posting!!!! B747Forever
User currently offlineMika From Sweden, joined Jul 2000, 2881 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (8 years 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 3437 times:

Got this song playing in the stereo right now, to me it´s spot on.



The Eagles - In a New York minute




"Harry got up
Dressed all in black
Went down to the station
And he never came back
They found his clothing
Scattered somewhere down the track
And he won’t be down on wall street
In the morning

He had a home
The love of a girl
But men get lost sometimes
As years unfold
One day he crossed some line
And he was too much in this world
But I guess it doesn’t matter anymore

In a new york minute
Everything can change
In a new york minute
Things can get pretty strange
In a new york minute
Everything can change
In a new york minute

Lying here in the darkness
I hear the sirens wail
Somebody going to emergency
Somebody’s going to jail
If you find somebody to love in this world
You better hand on tooth and nail
The wolf is always at the door

In a new york minute
Everything can change
In a new york minute
Things can get a little strange
In a new york minute
Everything can change
In a new york minute

And in these days
When darkness falls early
And people rush home
To the ones they love
You better take a fool’s advice
And tak care of your own
One day they’re here;
Next day they’re gone

I pulled my coat around my shoulders
And took a walk down through the park
The leaves were falling around me
The groaning city in the gathering dark
On some solitary rock
A desperate lover left his mark,
’baby, I’ve changed. please come back.’

What the head makes cloudy
The heart makes very clear
The days were so much brighter
In the time when she was here
But I know there’s somebody somewhere
Make these dark clouds disappear
Until that day, I have to believe
I believe, I believe

In a new york minute
Everything can change
In a new york minute
You can get out of the rain
In a new york minute
Everything can change
In a new york minute"


May the world be a better place for us all, may we learn from what we have to go through and may it never happen to anyone again..


User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 21, posted (8 years 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 3408 times:

Quoting Texan (Reply 16):
Thought maybe y'all would like this. Very poignant. God bless.

Not a big John Stewart fan, but that was well said. I thought the best I saw right after that was the first Saturday Night Live show. They had several rescue workers on stage with Paul Simon signing and Loran Michaels and Mayor Rudy. When Paul Simon finished Loran Michaels turned to Mayor Rudy and asked if it was "ok to be funny again." Without missing a beat Rudy snapped back "Why start now"..? The place just erupted in laughter. Then the trade mark LIVE FROM NEW YORK...!!!! ....It's Saturday NIGHT...!!



"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, but the size of the fight in the dog"
User currently offlineFlyingbronco05 From United States of America, joined May 2002, 3840 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (8 years 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 3398 times:

9-11 happened five years ago.

We will ALL remember it for the rest of our lives.

With that said, when are we going to let it go? We don't need media coverage all day every 9-11.  Yeah sure



Never Trust Your Fuel Gauge
User currently offlineUsnseallt82 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 4891 posts, RR: 52
Reply 23, posted (8 years 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 3387 times:

Quoting Flyingbronco05 (Reply 26):
With that said, when are we going to let it go? We don't need media coverage all day every 9-11.

I think it can be hyped-up at times, but I don't mind it.

If its that big a deal to you, don't watch it.



Crye me a river
User currently offlineFlyingbronco05 From United States of America, joined May 2002, 3840 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (8 years 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 3387 times:

Quoting Usnseallt82 (Reply 27):
If its that big a deal to you, don't watch it.

I'm trying not to, but when all of our TV channels have something on 9-11, it's kind of hard to find something other than 9-11 hype on TV.



Never Trust Your Fuel Gauge
25 Usnseallt82 : True, but I think most of the broadcasts are more than just hype. They know that the big channels are covering it, so there's no real push for rating
26 Post contains images Baylorairbear : MSNBC is airing the Today Show from 9/11/01. I am not sure what emotions I am feeling right now, as I am in the exact place, watching the same broadca
27 Klaus : 9-11 was horrible, despicable, tragic and sad for all the people who were murdered that day. We've frequently discussed the consequences and the polic
28 Post contains links and images ANCFlyer : Rest in Peace all those that perished and never surrender the fight those that remain. Terrorism in all it's forms is completely unacceptable. Fight i
29 Cedars747 : In my point of view,this is the best description of this issue i have ever seen . Congratulation Centrair Alex!!!
30 RJ100 : I will never forget the events on 9-11-01. I had the opportunity to make an internship in the US and just came back from New York a few days earlier.
31 Lnglive1011yyz : Canada stands proud and tall with our American brothers and sisters, on this sombre day of memory. May the world become a better place, from the death
32 Texan : I know a couple networks are doing that. I had just woken up, turned on my computer in St. Louis, and someone told me to turn on the tv. As I had no
33 Frequentflyer : Ah, Folks... 9/11 has always been painful since 2001, and each year ever since. Loads, heaps of sorrow, sadness. May all the victims of murderous terr
34 Par13del : I watched an episode of the O'Reily factor in which he had Geraldo Rivera on, who made a comment on the flap that Ray Nagin started with his comment a
35 Windshear : I just want to say, that I witnessed the whole mess live on tv, and that horror of seeing evil unfold on such an insane scale, is something I will nev
36 Aaron747 : TBS (Tokyo Broadcasting) just did one of the best 9/11 docu-memorials I've ever seen. Naturally there was some focus on the 24 Japanese nationals who
37 Windshear : Hmm was this really necessary? Boaz.
38 Checkraiser : I don't think the American press is doing a disservice today.
39 Post contains links and images ANCFlyer : Waste of words. Go here: www.cnn.com Then go to the Pipeline - you want a memorial without lies - go watch the unedited replay and keep the rest of y
40 Post contains images Clogman : Oh I remember this horrible day with sadness I have been to NYC 6 times. And I just love New York City. It broke my heart when I saw the second plane
41 VSLover : i cannot turn the pipeline off. they also are replaying the 9/11 coverage real time, and it is fascinating. i lived through this event on the street
42 APFPilot1985 : that is rhetoric, the other is action hardly as bad
43 ME AVN FAN : the question is, should we really. To me, 27th September is THE date. At 1920 27th September 1994 my brother died, and a few hours later came the dis
44 Post contains images Carmenlu15 : I remember that day as well... Getting to school to the news of a plane crashing in the WTC, with no details clear... then to the offices of the U.S.
45 Mt99 : There was a reason that much is certain. Whatever it iwas, its a stupid reason. No goal is worth the lives of so many innocent people.
46 ME AVN FAN : it was strange. First, our man for "technological services" was furious as the internet broke down, and I finally allowed him to GET OUT. Then I got
47 Post contains links and images Pawsleykat : I was talking to a friend on MSN and we were discussing the events 9/11. She gave me this movie to watch. It is about a little girl who lost her daddy
48 BA787 : The day that changed life as we know it still stuns me completely. My stomach fills with a sense of dread whenever I think about the awful day. It sic
49 ME AVN FAN : Moving indeed !
50 Mdsh00 : So an unedited rebroadcast is lies and deciet? Does anyone have a link to the A.net thread from 9/11?
51 Post contains links ANCFlyer : At your service: Airplane Crashed Into The World Trade Center. (by Hustler Sep 11 2001 in Civil Aviation)
52 Post contains images BaylorAirBear : Jeebus. On a lighter note, I am able to read through that thread and have a few chuckles. One example: I see A.net hasn't changed much. BAB
53 KSYR : Edited... May all those lost RIP...[Edited 2006-09-11 21:53:57]
54 QR332 : To all those who passed away on 9/11, rest in peace... I have to make it clear yet again that these bastards do not represent us as a people or as a r
55 Traindriver : Falcon, thanks for your excellent post. I feel like you put my thoughts into words. It's been very hard watching all the coverage from 9/11. 17 people
56 Sudden : I just watched a docu. made of 2 brothers at a firestation close to WTC. Jules and Gideon is their names. A very interesting footage that was totally
57 Post contains links and images Usnseallt82 : A shot of the Pentagon last night... Events today... Images courtesy of http://www.navy.mil/
58 Usnseallt82 : Good deal, as long as you remember who's had to fight and die to preserve your precious "quality of life."
59 Falcon84 : I must add this. Everyone here knows my dislike of President Bush, but I can honestly say that in the days and weeks following 9/11, I don't think I w
60 767Lover : What I remember most was that it seemed for a precious short time there were no "democrats" or "republicans" or "liberals" or "conservatives" -- there
61 ANCFlyer : If you'd paid attention and checked the site (you didn't I'm sure) you'd know that the Pipeline Broadcast IS a television broadcast, maintained for p
62 Ordryan28 : living near ORD and MDW, I can agree, the silence in the air was horrible. people still remorsing, everything on the news was still about 9/11 and the
63 Falcon84 : While I didn't make it into work on 9/11, I did report on 9/12. I park about 5 minutes from the terminal, and can about a 4 minute walk through the m
64 Post contains images DavestanKSAN : Never forget September 11, 2001. I can't discribe the emotions I felt that day. And five years later I still have that same feeling. I hope it's never
65 Tsaord : The Dateline Special on Flight 93 is very well put together. Into the lives of the passengers and crew they go into everyones special skill that could
66 Post contains images Santosdumont : It is impossible to describe the heartbreak I felt when I saw the images. See, apart from being an aviation nerd I was also a WTC nerd; I guess it all
67 ClipperHawaii : What I find interesting is that in all of your posts in the past have always represented a cross section of different ideas yet you all have the same
68 Aaron747 : Good deal, as long as you remember who's had to fight and die to preserve your precious "quality of life." I most certainly do, as both of my grandfat
69 Ctbarnes : Sorry for the length of this, but this is a more-or-less unedited reflection I wrote to myself over several weeks to try and make sense of what had ha
70 Aaron747 : ^ Thank you, Father, for these hauntingly beautiful and intimate recollections. I often wonder what individuals in your area of dedication have to con
71 Usnseallt82 : Don't you ever forget it. That's all that I and the other 2 million servicemen/women will ask of you.
72 Pacificjourney : Yeah right, that and your salaries, pensions, free food, clothing, accom. , medical care, training, endless job security ... I could go on. At least
73 ANCFlyer : Please, don't . . . . spare us this time, and spare yourself another trip to the shelf . . .
74 Pacificjourney : Just pointing out that our oh-so-modest contributor over there in Iraq is getting a bit more than just his fellow citizens appreciation. If - as he sa
75 Mdsh00 : I don't know, its the least they should get for putting their lives on the line to protect their country. Do you think Police officers should also be
76 Pacificjourney : Of course they should be paid but they should also be honest about the true motivations for their "service".
77 Pacificjourney : ... and just how are the current operations in Iraq "protecting their country" exactly ? If someone is to get special treatment for this supposed act
78 KSYR : I can't think of how many enlisted soldiers I know that have served years in Iraq and Afghanistan and are just barely making enough money to scrape b
79 Post contains links QantasA332 : Excellent video from MSNBC. Launch it via the link on the right side of the page.
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