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Schumacher "Worst Champion In History"  
User currently offlineCosec59 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2558 times:

Seems like some one doesn't like him.
Can't say I'm a big fan either.

Quote:
Fernando Alonso cranked up his end-of-season battle with Michael Schumacher by slamming the seven-times champion as "the most unsporting driver in the history of Formula One".

Alonso's warring words are certain to serve as a spur for the 37-year-old German as he bids to end his controversially glittering career with an eighth world crown.

Schumacher cut Alonso's lead in the drivers' championship to just two points on Sunday with victory in an emotion-charged Italian Grand Prix at Monza.

Speaking on Spanish radio station, Radio Marca, Alonso said: "Even (Zinedine) Zidane retired with more glory than Schumacher!"


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User currently offlineBA757 From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 2832 posts, RR: 15
Reply 1, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2555 times:

This has been partly discussed towards the end of this thread:
F1 Will Never Be The Same (by EZEIZA Sep 10 2006 in Non Aviation)

But to be honest, lets have another thread on it. It's a good discussion.

Quoting Cosec59 (Thread starter):
Seems like some one doesn't like him.
Can't say I'm a big fan either.

Me neither.

Adam


User currently offlineDAL767400ER From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 5721 posts, RR: 46
Reply 2, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2545 times:

That's what he have been saying for years now.

Signed,

Damon Hill and Jacques Villeneuve

Personally, I don't give a f*ck about what Alonso has to say, within the last years he has proven that he is an arrogant, egocentric a$$hole who's not worth listening to.


User currently offlineStealthZ From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5609 posts, RR: 45
Reply 3, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2545 times:
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I will be the first to admit that he was a driver, perhaps without equal. A great champion.. I don't think so!

It is a shame that some serious character flaws took the gloss off that.
The blatant disruption of qualifying in Monaco this year was just one example.. a couple of years back when he "brake tested" Juan Pablo Montoya in the tunnel at Monaco(and lost) was even sadder it was not even for position.
Earlier this year his conflict with Pedro de la Rosa was similar.. he should have been thinking about points not fighting to the end for 5th place.

I think the "red mist" clouds his thinking and he must NOT be overtaken.. not sure he even knows it happens.. a true champion thinks of the bigger picture.
Sure over the years he has done that.. but he has let things slip enough to not be called a true "great"

[Edited 2006-09-13 15:45:23]


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User currently offlineAlphafloor From Chile, joined Jun 2004, 1277 posts, RR: 41
Reply 4, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2530 times:

"Every year there's a winner, but not every year there's a champion"
A.Senna



Whatever
User currently offlineAerobalance From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 4674 posts, RR: 48
Reply 5, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2473 times:

Quoting Cosec59 (Thread starter):
Fernando Alonso

Champion brake tester....



"Sing a song, play guitar, make it snappy..."
User currently offlineSlamClick From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 10062 posts, RR: 68
Reply 6, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2473 times:

All I ever need to remember about Schumacher is this:

The German national anthem (talking about instrumental only - don't know the words) is kind of solemn and teutonic where the Italian national anthem is spirited, fun even. Michael used to dance around and celebrate JUST LIKE THE ITALIANS did during its playing.

A bunch of LOSERS complained that he was disrespectful toward Italy in acting that way. They complained so bitterly that he stopped doing that.

He stopped celebrating an Italian achievement because a bunch of losers, not qualified to launder his driving suit had a little hissyfit over it. Now that he is retiring THEY call HIM a bad sportsman.

They can all go to hell.

This small-minded pettiness is one reason many Americans don't care much for F1.

The glorification of the rule-making committee is another. Hint: It is supposed to be about RACING cars. Not the height of bargeboards or flexibility of airfoils.



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User currently offlineAirPacific747 From Denmark, joined May 2008, 2314 posts, RR: 21
Reply 7, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2469 times:

It's not because I don't like him, I just think that F1 will be so much more interesting without him. More competition.

User currently offlineWrighbrothers From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 1875 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2463 times:

I must say, I don't like him.
BUT, I believe that most people at the top of their game, aren't the best of sportsmen, and are prepared to do anything it takes, for example, remember a race, where Schumacher's team mate, was made to slow down to let him win, now whether that was his command or not, I'm sure his team mate (who's name escapes me) was too pleased at that.
I don't like the fact that he is a bad sportsman, and I'm glad to see the back of him, F1 will be more interesting.

But yet, we've got to understand, that once you are at the top, you'll do anything to stay there.

Wrighbrothers



Always stand up for what is right, even if it means standing alone..
User currently offlineLH648 From Kazakhstan, joined Sep 2006, 570 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2443 times:

GP Europe 1997. It tells all about MS.


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User currently offlineWingscrubber From UK - England, joined Sep 2001, 845 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2437 times:

I think schumey can afford to be arrogant, he's the best, he's probably more concerned with winning than public opinion anyway...
Edit: More to the point, Alonso is beginning to sound like a bitter loser.

[Edited 2006-09-13 19:14:14]


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User currently offlineDL021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11445 posts, RR: 76
Reply 11, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2428 times:
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In ten years all they're going to remember is that he was the greatest F1 champion of his day.....


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User currently onlinePyrex From Portugal, joined Aug 2005, 3800 posts, RR: 28
Reply 12, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2416 times:

Quoting StealthZ (Reply 3):
he must NOT be overtaken..

The one in front does have the right to the trajectory...

Quoting Alphafloor (Reply 4):
"Every year there's a winner, but not every year there's a champion"
A.Senna

So true... just to think Jacques Villeneuve has won the title!
His father, now there was a true champion. The most exciting moment in F1 history (a final lap on some race) was between him and some other pilot I don't seem to remember.

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 6):
The glorification of the rule-making committee is another. Hint: It is supposed to be about RACING cars. Not the height of bargeboards or flexibility of airfoils.

*Clap clap clap* (stands and applauds)

Very, very true...



Read this very carefully, I shall write this only once!
User currently offlineZakHH From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 2378 times:

Concerning Alonso's statement, I think the main point is not if you would agree with him or not. I don't consider myself a big Schumacher fan either.

But Alonso's statement was pathetic, and illustrates only 1 thing: that Alonso is scared as hell losing the World Championship against Schumacher this year.

Alonso's statement was not one of a great champion either. Even if you would agree with him, it still sounded more like bad loser. He can think whatever he wants, but he should STFU in public unless he has more qualified statements to make.


User currently offlineAlphafloor From Chile, joined Jun 2004, 1277 posts, RR: 41
Reply 14, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 2372 times:

Quoting Pyrex (Reply 12):
The most exciting moment in F1 history (a final lap on some race) was between him and some other pilot I don't seem to remember.

It was in during the final laps of the french Grand-Prix 1979 in Dijon against french man René Arnoux.

http://www.alphafloor.net/images/gvilleneuve-arnoux.jpg

[Edited 2006-09-14 00:02:51]


Whatever
User currently offlineZakHH From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 2368 times:

EDIT: mysterious double post, deleted  

[Edited 2006-09-14 00:05:04]

User currently offlineStealthZ From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5609 posts, RR: 45
Reply 16, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 2368 times:
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Quoting Pyrex (Reply 12):
The one in front does have the right to the trajectory...

ONLY when racing for position... parking across a corner during qualifying is NOT racing for position, the JPM incident was NOT racing for position and there were many more.

And Captain Slammer, I agree it should be about the racing and not the politics.

And to show I am not taking sides.. I agree Alonso's comments of late are starting to sound like a petulant schoolboy that has had his favourite toy taken away!



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User currently offlineEZEIZA From Argentina, joined Aug 2004, 4963 posts, RR: 25
Reply 17, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 2345 times:

Alonso is such a cry baby! Does he honestly think that a multi champion, three races away from his retirement really gives a crap about what Alonso has to say? Seriously, Alonso is a great driver, but he complains always about everything!


Carp aunque ganes o pierdas ...
User currently offlineDavid L From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 9483 posts, RR: 42
Reply 18, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 2343 times:

I have to respect him as a driver but he can be a nasty piece of work when things aren't going his way.

User currently offlineWaterpolodan From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1649 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 2316 times:

Quoting Pyrex (Reply 12):
The most exciting moment in F1 history (a final lap on some race) was between him and some other pilot I don't seem to remember.



Alphafloor beat me to the response, but I have to agree, that battle at Dijon was one of the best moments in all of racing... just watch the footage with the typically enjoyable commentary of murray walker-
http://youtube.com/watch?v=YCvxwEdLdK8&mode=related&search=

Also, for everyone on here who derrides Michael for poor sportsmanship and claims he is not a worthy champion, do you feel the same way about Senna? To me, Senna was just like Michael in that he did anything he could to win, and better judgement was often left by the wayside. Jerez 1997 was perhaps a less rediculous move than Suzuka 1990, when Ayrton entered the first turn behind Prost's Ferrari but he never intended to let Prost make it farther than 1 corner. At least Schumacher's title chances were ruined, Senna actually won the title with his dirty move. I think that Senna's death in the car was much like the death of any celebrity in their heyday, it solidifies their image as a hero while their flaws are glossed over. It's unfortunate that Schumacher, perhaps the greatest driver ever to race an F1 car, is being labeled as unworthy, because last time I checked, what makes one worthy for an F1 title is being the fastest and most consistent driver on track over the course of a season, not whether one occasionally uses poor judgement.

Also, anyone who donates 10 million dollars of their personal money to help tsunami relief is not an arrogant, selfish prick as some would have you believe.


User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 20, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 2306 times:

All in all it sounds as if he failed to make something deadly serious like headbumping an "adversary" or thelike ! In future, such stars when approaching "retirement" will become unpredictable !  wink   yes 

User currently offlineEZEIZA From Argentina, joined Aug 2004, 4963 posts, RR: 25
Reply 21, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 2302 times:

Quoting Waterpolodan (Reply 19):
To me, Senna was just like Michael in that he did anything he could to win, and better judgement was often left by the wayside



Quoting Waterpolodan (Reply 19):
At least Schumacher's title chances were ruined, Senna actually won the title with his dirty move



Quoting Waterpolodan (Reply 19):
Also, anyone who donates 10 million dollars of their personal money to help tsunami relief is not an arrogant, selfish prick as some would have you believe.

I just highlighted these points, but your entire post was spot on!



Carp aunque ganes o pierdas ...
User currently offlineBill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8434 posts, RR: 9
Reply 22, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 2302 times:

Quoting LH648 (Reply 9):
GP Europe 1997. It tells all about MS.

Adelaide 1994 is where it began. Oh and lets not forget his suspension in 1994 as well.

Quoting StealthZ (Reply 16):
the JPM incident was NOT racing for position and there were many more.

Further more that incident happened under the saftey car.

Quoting Wingscrubber (Reply 10):
More to the point, Alonso is beginning to sound like a bitter loser.

It's all mind games. Alonso has every right to be bitter about what happened at Monza. The entire pitlane, except for Ferrari, feels sorry for him as they've all seen the footage and can clearly see that there was no blocking. Even Max Mosley has come out in support of him over that incident. Alonso is simply trying to undermine his confidence going into the last three races. Knowing he won't be around next season means that there is no option but to go for the juggular.

Quoting Waterpolodan (Reply 19):
It's unfortunate that Schumacher, perhaps the greatest driver ever to race an F1 car, is being labeled as unworthy, because last time I checked, what makes one worthy for an F1 title is being the fastest and most consistent driver on track over the course of a season, not whether one occasionally uses poor judgement

I don't think he driving ability is being questioned. His qualities as a sportsman are. This is what Alonso is attacking. Just because you can drive a car fast doesn't make you a fair player.


User currently offlineBristolFlyer From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 2270 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 2296 times:

I think he's very unsportsman like as well.

But what I don't understand is why so many people are against Shuey for being unsportsmanlike but Senna and (to a lesser extent) Prost are put up on pedestals like they're gods. Yet these 2 used to drive around an F1 circuit like they're in bumper cars, even admitting that they used to take each other out.

Can someone answer that please  confused 

BF



Fortune favours the brave
User currently offlineWaterpolodan From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1649 posts, RR: 5
Reply 24, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 2271 times:

Quoting BristolFlyer (Reply 23):

Exactly. As I stated in my post, I think Senna is so revered because he died a dramatic death leading a grand prix, which of course will soften anyone's view of the man's career. In general, the real champions of the last 15 years, and I'm discounting Hill and Villeneuve here as they were more fairly talented drivers who were in the right car at the right time, the real champions like Senna and Prost and Mansell and even Alonso (witness his aggression with slower drivers when they hold him up) have been ruthless on the track, and that is the way the sport is today. The great days of the 60's when the drivers were respectable gentlemen and good friends on and off the track are gone, as money soured the sport in the 70s and has changed the entire attitude of the drivers. IMO the only true champion of the last 15 years who was not ruthless in the Senna/Schumacher style was Mika Hakkinen. He was just fantastically quick and a great man all around. At the time, I cheered against him as I was and am a Ferrari/MS fan, but I loved his strange dry sense of humor and clean, smooth style.


25 PanHAM : well, he did a little bit of it again in Monza last Sunday. At least to the end of the Italian National Anthem. Alonso is a bloody loser. He has no c
26 Bill142 : Lets be honest here. Give me an example of a driver who is a complete angel? I don't think you'll find one. As much as it pains me to say it, Mika was
27 AerorobNZ : I love the fact that Schumacher is single-minded about winning. There's only one way to win, and that's to cross the finish line first. If that means
28 Post contains images Legoguy : Again I will admit, I'm clearly not a Schumi fan, However I will miss him a little bit next year as after all, he has great driving skills and has pro
29 Andreas : Exactly BristolFlyer!! The answer is this: A.Prost left Formula 1 years ago, most people here don't even remember him except as a name in racing hist
30 DAL767400ER : Exactly, it will do just the opposite. The FIA is pretty p!ssed at those comments, as they violate §151 or something like that the FIA can't be talk
31 Jush : Alonso is a crappy motherfucker and doesn't deserve to win another race in the future of F1. He is an aggressive twat who should've been kicked out o
32 Pyrex : Then I guess you will love watching Kimi Raikonnen in a red car with a prancing black horse on the front!
33 Post contains images Skidmarks : Bit like Schumacher then. No, I don't like him either. Put's me right off F.1. Andy
34 Post contains links BA757 : Michael Schumacher's manager Willi Weber has hit back at Fernando Alonso after the Spaniard described his title rival as the most unsportsmanlike driv
35 BA757 : Who, Michael or Alonso? Adam
36 Andreas : Let me give you a good advice: Don't do this...don't quote Bild...it's as if you were quoting "Sun", nobody in his right mind believes a word those m
37 Post contains images BA757 : I didn't quote Bild myself! As for the Sun, bah, I don't have time for that crap. Adam
38 Post contains images Andreas : Exactly!
39 Post contains images Skidmarks : Michael, although I suspect Alonso is a bit of a Prima Donna too Andy
40 Egmcman : Sounds like Rubens Barrichello at the A1 ring in Austria.
42 Bill142 : Like Wili Weber has any credibility. The guy is a criminal for crying out loud.
43 BA757 : Doesn't matter much to me, its pure entertainment is this bitching at each other! Adam
44 BristolFlyer : I give credit where it's due, even though I'm not a fan of his. I watched a documentary about Damon Hill when he won the championship in 96 and they s
45 Bill142 : A German with a sense of humor?? what is the world coming to?
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