StealthZ From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5678 posts, RR: 45
Reply 3, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 2587 times:
I will be the first to admit that he was a driver, perhaps without equal. A great champion.. I don't think so!
It is a shame that some serious character flaws took the gloss off that.
The blatant disruption of qualifying in Monaco this year was just one example.. a couple of years back when he "brake tested" Juan Pablo Montoya in the tunnel at Monaco(and lost) was even sadder it was not even for position.
Earlier this year his conflict with Pedro de la Rosa was similar.. he should have been thinking about points not fighting to the end for 5th place.
I think the "red mist" clouds his thinking and he must NOT be overtaken.. not sure he even knows it happens.. a true champion thinks of the bigger picture.
Sure over the years he has done that.. but he has let things slip enough to not be called a true "great"
[Edited 2006-09-13 15:45:23]
If your camera sends text messages, that could explain why your photos are rubbish!
SlamClick From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 10062 posts, RR: 68
Reply 6, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2515 times:
All I ever need to remember about Schumacher is this:
The German national anthem (talking about instrumental only - don't know the words) is kind of solemn and teutonic where the Italian national anthem is spirited, fun even. Michael used to dance around and celebrate JUST LIKE THE ITALIANS did during its playing.
A bunch of LOSERS complained that he was disrespectful toward Italy in acting that way. They complained so bitterly that he stopped doing that.
He stopped celebrating an Italian achievement because a bunch of losers, not qualified to launder his driving suit had a little hissyfit over it. Now that he is retiring THEY call HIM a bad sportsman.
They can all go to hell.
This small-minded pettiness is one reason many Americans don't care much for F1.
The glorification of the rule-making committee is another. Hint: It is supposed to be about RACING cars. Not the height of bargeboards or flexibility of airfoils.
Happiness is not seeing another trite Ste. Maarten photo all week long.
Wrighbrothers From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 1875 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2505 times:
I must say, I don't like him.
BUT, I believe that most people at the top of their game, aren't the best of sportsmen, and are prepared to do anything it takes, for example, remember a race, where Schumacher's team mate, was made to slow down to let him win, now whether that was his command or not, I'm sure his team mate (who's name escapes me) was too pleased at that.
I don't like the fact that he is a bad sportsman, and I'm glad to see the back of him, F1 will be more interesting.
But yet, we've got to understand, that once you are at the top, you'll do anything to stay there.
Always stand up for what is right, even if it means standing alone..
Wingscrubber From UK - England, joined Sep 2001, 845 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2479 times:
I think schumey can afford to be arrogant, he's the best, he's probably more concerned with winning than public opinion anyway...
Edit: More to the point, Alonso is beginning to sound like a bitter loser.
The one in front does have the right to the trajectory...
Quoting Alphafloor (Reply 4): "Every year there's a winner, but not every year there's a champion"
So true... just to think Jacques Villeneuve has won the title!
His father, now there was a true champion. The most exciting moment in F1 history (a final lap on some race) was between him and some other pilot I don't seem to remember.
Quoting SlamClick (Reply 6): The glorification of the rule-making committee is another. Hint: It is supposed to be about RACING cars. Not the height of bargeboards or flexibility of airfoils.
*Clap clap clap* (stands and applauds)
Very, very true...
Read this very carefully, I shall write this only once!
ZakHH From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 2420 times:
Concerning Alonso's statement, I think the main point is not if you would agree with him or not. I don't consider myself a big Schumacher fan either.
But Alonso's statement was pathetic, and illustrates only 1 thing: that Alonso is scared as hell losing the World Championship against Schumacher this year.
Alonso's statement was not one of a great champion either. Even if you would agree with him, it still sounded more like bad loser. He can think whatever he wants, but he should STFU in public unless he has more qualified statements to make.
EZEIZA From Argentina, joined Aug 2004, 4964 posts, RR: 25
Reply 17, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2387 times:
Alonso is such a cry baby! Does he honestly think that a multi champion, three races away from his retirement really gives a crap about what Alonso has to say? Seriously, Alonso is a great driver, but he complains always about everything!
Also, for everyone on here who derrides Michael for poor sportsmanship and claims he is not a worthy champion, do you feel the same way about Senna? To me, Senna was just like Michael in that he did anything he could to win, and better judgement was often left by the wayside. Jerez 1997 was perhaps a less rediculous move than Suzuka 1990, when Ayrton entered the first turn behind Prost's Ferrari but he never intended to let Prost make it farther than 1 corner. At least Schumacher's title chances were ruined, Senna actually won the title with his dirty move. I think that Senna's death in the car was much like the death of any celebrity in their heyday, it solidifies their image as a hero while their flaws are glossed over. It's unfortunate that Schumacher, perhaps the greatest driver ever to race an F1 car, is being labeled as unworthy, because last time I checked, what makes one worthy for an F1 title is being the fastest and most consistent driver on track over the course of a season, not whether one occasionally uses poor judgement.
Also, anyone who donates 10 million dollars of their personal money to help tsunami relief is not an arrogant, selfish prick as some would have you believe.
Bill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8439 posts, RR: 8
Reply 22, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2344 times:
Quoting LH648 (Reply 9): GP Europe 1997. It tells all about MS.
Adelaide 1994 is where it began. Oh and lets not forget his suspension in 1994 as well.
Quoting StealthZ (Reply 16): the JPM incident was NOT racing for position and there were many more.
Further more that incident happened under the saftey car.
Quoting Wingscrubber (Reply 10): More to the point, Alonso is beginning to sound like a bitter loser.
It's all mind games. Alonso has every right to be bitter about what happened at Monza. The entire pitlane, except for Ferrari, feels sorry for him as they've all seen the footage and can clearly see that there was no blocking. Even Max Mosley has come out in support of him over that incident. Alonso is simply trying to undermine his confidence going into the last three races. Knowing he won't be around next season means that there is no option but to go for the juggular.
Quoting Waterpolodan (Reply 19): It's unfortunate that Schumacher, perhaps the greatest driver ever to race an F1 car, is being labeled as unworthy, because last time I checked, what makes one worthy for an F1 title is being the fastest and most consistent driver on track over the course of a season, not whether one occasionally uses poor judgement
I don't think he driving ability is being questioned. His qualities as a sportsman are. This is what Alonso is attacking. Just because you can drive a car fast doesn't make you a fair player.
BristolFlyer From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 2290 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2338 times:
I think he's very unsportsman like as well.
But what I don't understand is why so many people are against Shuey for being unsportsmanlike but Senna and (to a lesser extent) Prost are put up on pedestals like they're gods. Yet these 2 used to drive around an F1 circuit like they're in bumper cars, even admitting that they used to take each other out.
Exactly. As I stated in my post, I think Senna is so revered because he died a dramatic death leading a grand prix, which of course will soften anyone's view of the man's career. In general, the real champions of the last 15 years, and I'm discounting Hill and Villeneuve here as they were more fairly talented drivers who were in the right car at the right time, the real champions like Senna and Prost and Mansell and even Alonso (witness his aggression with slower drivers when they hold him up) have been ruthless on the track, and that is the way the sport is today. The great days of the 60's when the drivers were respectable gentlemen and good friends on and off the track are gone, as money soured the sport in the 70s and has changed the entire attitude of the drivers. IMO the only true champion of the last 15 years who was not ruthless in the Senna/Schumacher style was Mika Hakkinen. He was just fantastically quick and a great man all around. At the time, I cheered against him as I was and am a Ferrari/MS fan, but I loved his strange dry sense of humor and clean, smooth style.
: well, he did a little bit of it again in Monza last Sunday. At least to the end of the Italian National Anthem. Alonso is a bloody loser. He has no c
: Lets be honest here. Give me an example of a driver who is a complete angel? I don't think you'll find one. As much as it pains me to say it, Mika was
: I love the fact that Schumacher is single-minded about winning. There's only one way to win, and that's to cross the finish line first. If that means
: Again I will admit, I'm clearly not a Schumi fan, However I will miss him a little bit next year as after all, he has great driving skills and has pro
: Exactly BristolFlyer!! The answer is this: A.Prost left Formula 1 years ago, most people here don't even remember him except as a name in racing hist
: Exactly, it will do just the opposite. The FIA is pretty p!ssed at those comments, as they violate §151 or something like that the FIA can't be talk
: Alonso is a crappy motherfucker and doesn't deserve to win another race in the future of F1. He is an aggressive twat who should've been kicked out o
: Then I guess you will love watching Kimi Raikonnen in a red car with a prancing black horse on the front!
: Bit like Schumacher then. No, I don't like him either. Put's me right off F.1. Andy
: Michael Schumacher's manager Willi Weber has hit back at Fernando Alonso after the Spaniard described his title rival as the most unsportsmanlike driv