Okees From Canada, joined Sep 2005, 424 posts, RR: 6 Reply 1, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 1856 times:
I live just a few blocks away from the college. All roads in the area are blocked.. helicopters everywhere.. police sirens ringing like crazy. Very VERY unusual for montreal.. very sad indeed. This is not good for Montreal..
So far no deaths reported, 3 serious injuries and several minor ones.. ill keep you posted as the news come in.
Mika From Sweden, joined Jul 2000, 2791 posts, RR: 4 Reply 7, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 1812 times:
Swedish tele text says 4 killed and 16 wounded, it also says that there were 2 gunmen; one shot himself and police took out the other one.
Sounds like a columbine act to me. It´s always very sad to hear about these incidents involving misguided teens eachothers and themselves. My thoughts are with everyone affected by this tragedy..and i must say that i am surprised to see this happen in Canada.
Bushpilot From South Africa, joined Jul 2007, 0 posts, RR: 1 Reply 11, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 1789 times:
Sad day for Montreal and for all of Canada, brings the question about gun control to light, I have heard unconfirmed reports one gunman committed suicide and the other was killed by police. If that is the case good work by the police, and thankfully they were armed appropriately. If this was possibly a European country the shooting may still be going on. Also I wonder if hadguns were used which are effecively banned in Canada.
Bushpilot From South Africa, joined Jul 2007, 0 posts, RR: 1 Reply 18, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 1762 times:
Quoting Mika (Reply 13): Why would european police (gross generalization by the way) have acted more passively?
I didnt mean anything bad about the generalization, just that from what I understand many European countries do not have every uniformed officer armed with a pistol or a larger firearm. Putting them in a better situation to handle a criminal with a gun.
Mika From Sweden, joined Jul 2000, 2791 posts, RR: 4 Reply 23, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 1744 times:
Quoting Bushpilot (Reply 18): I didnt mean anything bad about the generalization, just that from what I understand many European countries do not have every uniformed officer armed with a pistol or a larger firearm. Putting them in a better situation to handle a criminal with a gun.
What i can say is that Swedish police is armed, every police officer has a Sig Sauer 9mm at the ready when on duty. About police in other european countries i know nothing.
Point being that there is no such thing as "European police". There is Swedish, Finnish, Italian, Greek etc - police.
Thom@s From Norway, joined Oct 2000, 11951 posts, RR: 50 Reply 24, posted (7 years 2 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 1734 times:
Quoting Mika (Reply 23): What i can say is that Swedish police is armed
Norwegian police is generally not armed, but there armed divisions. It has been debated whether the police should always carry a firearm, but they have chosen not to, as it may seem "provocative" towards the criminal environments.
"If guns don't kill people, people kill people - does that mean toasters don't toast toast, toast toast toast?"
25 Bushpilot: I am glad the Swedes carry nice pieces, I know not all are armed in Britain, although not European Australia is similar, IIRC France, is similar. I k
26 Mika: I did read that, however i was referring to your first post. Point is taken now though.
27 9VSPO: British police are not armed but they do have armed response units which are trained for events like this and would be there in an instant. No matter
28 DeltaDC9: No enlightened human being would say that about 300,000,000 people in the most successful country in the world, so there you go.[Edited 2006-09-13 21
29 Mika: http://www.cbc.ca/listen/ There´s a good live video news feed from CBC news.
30 Mika: Just watching the CBC feed, it does seem like there´s more people involved in this than the alleged two that are already dead. A girl from the school
31 QB001: I'm working in downtown YUL and around noon I started to hear all sorts of sirens. There are a lot of that usually, but this time, I knew something se
32 Marco: I live across the street from Dawson College in the Alexis Nihon complex. I was actually on my way home from the gym when the shootings happened and I
33 Mika: Gunshots have apparently been heard at the nearby mall, inside the actual mall. This thing just sounds worse and worse May this all end in the best wa
34 SafeFlyer: This could have happened anywhere but it happened in Montreal again, sadly, 17 years after La Polytechnique. Hopefully, everybody in critical conditio
35 Marco: We are, however, much more enlightened than our neighbours. What a load of crap. If we're so enlightened than why did this Dawson tragedy happen?Why w
36 ScarletHarlot: Hang in there...you must be so shocked and frightened!
37 Carmenlu15: Whoa... what terrible news. It's always shocking when something like this happens, no matter the country...
38 Jean Leloup: Thanks for the info, Marco - that would seem to contradict what the police have said so far, that they only know of one suspect for sure (who was see
39 9VSPO: Now apparently there was only one gunman. Keep us informed about what happens at the press conference.
40 Jean Leloup: Police director just confirmed that Police shot the suspect, inside, immediately upon responding to the call. This is very strange, because it would s
41 Marco: To be honest it's such a blur. I was on Atwater and Maisonneuve when people started running, crying, police were screaming at us to leave. When I got
42 FLYYUL: Marco, The guy got killed in the school... perhaps there is more than one shooter?
43 Marco: Then that was the guy that shot himself. The police looked like they were struggling with him, he was bleeding and he just died after a couple of seco
44 YULspotter: After having watched about an hour of news coverage here is what has been confirmed: - There was one shooter & the police ended up killing him - 20 pe
45 Bushpilot: I dont mean to split hairs here, but what does qualify a terrorist attack? I dont know the ethnicity of the shooter, nor does it matter to me, becaus
46 DavestanKSAN: Oh my God, shocking news. Really sad to hear. Thoughts and prayers to the victims and their families. Dave[Edited 2006-09-14 01:34:14]
47 SKYSERVICE_330: Thoughts and prayers are with all those involved. Hang in there Montreal, Canadians are standing with you tonight. Montreal certainly does seem to hav
48 Mika: I guess one could say that in a traditional sense you are a terrorist if you commit an act like this, a terrorist/murderer. But after the recent isla
49 Lnglive1011yyz: I heard about an hour ago that there was 1 confirmed death of a victim (NOT the killer). Terrible news. 1011yyz
50 FLYYUL: Marco, The gunman was killed inside the school. Are you sure you saw this?
51 Marco: I'm not sure if the gunman was shot inside or outisde but I saw the police struggling with the gunman outisde Dawson College and he suddenly died on M
52 Marco: Scarletharlot thanks for your words. I'm so shaken, I couldn't believe it. The kids were all so young running, frightened, crying. I don't understand
53 Windshear: Cheesus mate I actually thought of you, had no idea why though, but just glad that you did not attend the college... Freaky I just had this idea that
54 TWISTEDWHISPER: My thoughts goes out not only to the family of the girl that was killed, but also to the ones who where injured and the entire Canadian people. It's s
55 Mika: Just woke up here and reading the CBC news on their website..what now surprises me abit is that the shooter is said to be 25 years old, which would me
56 Windshear: I am just thinking about "Bowling For Columbine", and how much hat Mr. Moore should eat right now... Also happened in Germany not too long ago. Boaz.
57 QB001: Apparently, here's the shooter. His name is Kimveer Gill. He's dead. A 20 year-old female student is dead. And 5 other students are apparently in seri
58 Mika: Surprising that the perpetraitor is not a white male, the absolute majority of all school shooters have been white, young misguided men. Intriguing. I
59 QB001: Well, skin color aside, this guy fits your typical school shooter portrait quite well (misguided, isolated, living in the suburb where he built an im
60 WhyWhyZed: The shooter was a member of a site called vampirefreaks.com ... it turns out they deleted his profile since the media got a hold of it and everyone is
61 Cadet57: Get bent. I dont even know how to begin to tell you how effed up that statement is. Yes, because every school shooting is 3 white guys from "suburbia
62 Marco: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_pictures/5345722.stm I took the first two pictures ... still horrified ... apparently two more of the victims are close
63 Cadet57: Marco, In your first picture, there is blood outside the door of the police car. Was an officer shot?
64 9VSPO: It is taking forever to load. Maybe you could explain the last entry?
65 Marco: No that was the first victim who was shot as the gunman was crossing the street. I was on the street when that was happening ....