Okees From Canada, joined Sep 2005, 424 posts, RR: 6 Reply 1, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 1693 times:
I live just a few blocks away from the college. All roads in the area are blocked.. helicopters everywhere.. police sirens ringing like crazy. Very VERY unusual for montreal.. very sad indeed. This is not good for Montreal..
So far no deaths reported, 3 serious injuries and several minor ones.. ill keep you posted as the news come in.
Mika From Sweden, joined Jul 2000, 2788 posts, RR: 4 Reply 7, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 1649 times:
Swedish tele text says 4 killed and 16 wounded, it also says that there were 2 gunmen; one shot himself and police took out the other one.
Sounds like a columbine act to me. It´s always very sad to hear about these incidents involving misguided teens eachothers and themselves. My thoughts are with everyone affected by this tragedy..and i must say that i am surprised to see this happen in Canada.
DeltaDC9 From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 2844 posts, RR: 4 Reply 8, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 1643 times:
Quoting Mika (Reply 7): and i must say that i am surprised to see this happen in Canada.
Why, because they are so much more enlightened than their American neighbors? People are people and this can happen anywhere.
Dont take life too seriously because you will never get out of it alive - Bugs Bunny
Mika From Sweden, joined Jul 2000, 2788 posts, RR: 4 Reply 9, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 1637 times:
One request: Could any of you Canadians who read this just inform me which is the largest local news station in Montreal, i would very much like to be able to follow this incident as it uncovers.
Mika From Sweden, joined Jul 2000, 2788 posts, RR: 4 Reply 10, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 1637 times:
Quoting DeltaDC9 (Reply 8): Why, because they are so much more enlightened than their American neighbors? People are people and this can happen anywhere.
No, mainly just because i´ve never experienced this happening in Canada before. If it happened in the US or in Germany it wouldn´t have surprised me as much.
Bushpilot From South Africa, joined Jul 2007, 0 posts, RR: 1 Reply 11, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 1626 times:
Sad day for Montreal and for all of Canada, brings the question about gun control to light, I have heard unconfirmed reports one gunman committed suicide and the other was killed by police. If that is the case good work by the police, and thankfully they were armed appropriately. If this was possibly a European country the shooting may still be going on. Also I wonder if hadguns were used which are effecively banned in Canada.
Jean Leloup From Canada, joined Apr 2001, 2106 posts, RR: 23 Reply 12, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 1615 times:
Mika,
You should be watching CBCNewsworld, or if you speak french, RDI, the french version of Newsworld, which has more reporters on the ground.
Jean Leloup
p.s. The '4 dead' tally is still unconfirmed, and was given by an unofficial source to RDI about an hour ago - in other words, I'm still hoping it's mistaken.
Police still seem to be after at least one more suspect.
DeltaDC9 From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 2844 posts, RR: 4 Reply 17, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 1608 times:
Quoting CFCUQ (Reply 14): L'ecole Polytechnique ring any bells ? Not only in Canada, but also in Quebec !
Exactly, and another example of how buying into steriotypes gets you nowhere.
Dont take life too seriously because you will never get out of it alive - Bugs Bunny
Bushpilot From South Africa, joined Jul 2007, 0 posts, RR: 1 Reply 18, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 1599 times:
Quoting Mika (Reply 13): Why would european police (gross generalization by the way) have acted more passively?
I didnt mean anything bad about the generalization, just that from what I understand many European countries do not have every uniformed officer armed with a pistol or a larger firearm. Putting them in a better situation to handle a criminal with a gun.
ScarletHarlot From Canada, joined Jul 2003, 4673 posts, RR: 59 Reply 20, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 1595 times:
Quoting CFCUQ (Reply 14): L'ecole Polytechnique ring any bells ?
Exactly, shades of L'ecole Polytechnique. I was in university at the time of that shooting, and as a girl in a male-dominated field, it shocked and scared me.
CFCUQ From Canada, joined Sep 2005, 708 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 1586 times:
Quoting ScarletHarlot (Reply 20): Exactly, shades of L'ecole Polytechnique. I was in university at the time of that shooting, and as a girl in a male-dominated field, it shocked and scared me.
Mika From Sweden, joined Jul 2000, 2788 posts, RR: 4 Reply 23, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 1581 times:
Quoting Bushpilot (Reply 18): I didnt mean anything bad about the generalization, just that from what I understand many European countries do not have every uniformed officer armed with a pistol or a larger firearm. Putting them in a better situation to handle a criminal with a gun.
What i can say is that Swedish police is armed, every police officer has a Sig Sauer 9mm at the ready when on duty. About police in other european countries i know nothing.
Point being that there is no such thing as "European police". There is Swedish, Finnish, Italian, Greek etc - police.
Thom@s From Norway, joined Oct 2000, 11951 posts, RR: 50 Reply 24, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 1571 times:
Quoting Mika (Reply 23): What i can say is that Swedish police is armed
Norwegian police is generally not armed, but there armed divisions. It has been debated whether the police should always carry a firearm, but they have chosen not to, as it may seem "provocative" towards the criminal environments.
Thom@s
"If guns don't kill people, people kill people - does that mean toasters don't toast toast, toast toast toast?"
25 Bushpilot: I am glad the Swedes carry nice pieces, I know not all are armed in Britain, although not European Australia is similar, IIRC France, is similar. I k
26 Mika: I did read that, however i was referring to your first post. Point is taken now though.
27 9VSPO: British police are not armed but they do have armed response units which are trained for events like this and would be there in an instant. No matter
28 DeltaDC9: No enlightened human being would say that about 300,000,000 people in the most successful country in the world, so there you go.[Edited 2006-09-13 21
29 Mika: http://www.cbc.ca/listen/ There´s a good live video news feed from CBC news.
30 Mika: Just watching the CBC feed, it does seem like there´s more people involved in this than the alleged two that are already dead. A girl from the school
31 QB001: I'm working in downtown YUL and around noon I started to hear all sorts of sirens. There are a lot of that usually, but this time, I knew something se
32 Marco: I live across the street from Dawson College in the Alexis Nihon complex. I was actually on my way home from the gym when the shootings happened and I
33 Mika: Gunshots have apparently been heard at the nearby mall, inside the actual mall. This thing just sounds worse and worse May this all end in the best wa
34 SafeFlyer: This could have happened anywhere but it happened in Montreal again, sadly, 17 years after La Polytechnique. Hopefully, everybody in critical conditio
35 Marco: We are, however, much more enlightened than our neighbours. What a load of crap. If we're so enlightened than why did this Dawson tragedy happen?Why w
36 ScarletHarlot: Hang in there...you must be so shocked and frightened!
37 Carmenlu15: Whoa... what terrible news. It's always shocking when something like this happens, no matter the country...
38 Jean Leloup: Thanks for the info, Marco - that would seem to contradict what the police have said so far, that they only know of one suspect for sure (who was see
39 9VSPO: Now apparently there was only one gunman. Keep us informed about what happens at the press conference.
40 Jean Leloup: Police director just confirmed that Police shot the suspect, inside, immediately upon responding to the call. This is very strange, because it would s
41 Marco: To be honest it's such a blur. I was on Atwater and Maisonneuve when people started running, crying, police were screaming at us to leave. When I got
42 FLYYUL: Marco, The guy got killed in the school... perhaps there is more than one shooter?
43 Marco: Then that was the guy that shot himself. The police looked like they were struggling with him, he was bleeding and he just died after a couple of seco
44 YULspotter: After having watched about an hour of news coverage here is what has been confirmed: - There was one shooter & the police ended up killing him - 20 pe
45 Bushpilot: I dont mean to split hairs here, but what does qualify a terrorist attack? I dont know the ethnicity of the shooter, nor does it matter to me, becaus
46 DavestanKSAN: Oh my God, shocking news. Really sad to hear. Thoughts and prayers to the victims and their families. Dave[Edited 2006-09-14 01:34:14]
47 SKYSERVICE_330: Thoughts and prayers are with all those involved. Hang in there Montreal, Canadians are standing with you tonight. Montreal certainly does seem to hav
48 Mika: I guess one could say that in a traditional sense you are a terrorist if you commit an act like this, a terrorist/murderer. But after the recent isla
49 Lnglive1011yyz: I heard about an hour ago that there was 1 confirmed death of a victim (NOT the killer). Terrible news. 1011yyz
50 FLYYUL: Marco, The gunman was killed inside the school. Are you sure you saw this?
51 Marco: I'm not sure if the gunman was shot inside or outisde but I saw the police struggling with the gunman outisde Dawson College and he suddenly died on M
52 Marco: Scarletharlot thanks for your words. I'm so shaken, I couldn't believe it. The kids were all so young running, frightened, crying. I don't understand
53 Windshear: Cheesus mate I actually thought of you, had no idea why though, but just glad that you did not attend the college... Freaky I just had this idea that
54 TWISTEDWHISPER: My thoughts goes out not only to the family of the girl that was killed, but also to the ones who where injured and the entire Canadian people. It's s
55 Mika: Just woke up here and reading the CBC news on their website..what now surprises me abit is that the shooter is said to be 25 years old, which would me
56 Windshear: I am just thinking about "Bowling For Columbine", and how much hat Mr. Moore should eat right now... Also happened in Germany not too long ago. Boaz.
57 QB001: Apparently, here's the shooter. His name is Kimveer Gill. He's dead. A 20 year-old female student is dead. And 5 other students are apparently in seri
58 Mika: Surprising that the perpetraitor is not a white male, the absolute majority of all school shooters have been white, young misguided men. Intriguing. I
59 QB001: Well, skin color aside, this guy fits your typical school shooter portrait quite well (misguided, isolated, living in the suburb where he built an im
60 WhyWhyZed: The shooter was a member of a site called vampirefreaks.com ... it turns out they deleted his profile since the media got a hold of it and everyone is
61 Cadet57: Get bent. I dont even know how to begin to tell you how effed up that statement is. Yes, because every school shooting is 3 white guys from "suburbia
62 Marco: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_pictures/5345722.stm I took the first two pictures ... still horrified ... apparently two more of the victims are close
63 Cadet57: Marco, In your first picture, there is blood outside the door of the police car. Was an officer shot?
64 9VSPO: It is taking forever to load. Maybe you could explain the last entry?
65 Marco: No that was the first victim who was shot as the gunman was crossing the street. I was on the street when that was happening ....
67 WhyWhyZed: I would assume this picture is the same area, different angle, and the blood is from this body... http://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/06...14/NYHETER-1
68 Marco: No the blood is not all from his body...he shot his first victim as he was crossing the street and thats where the other blood is from. Then he was sh
69 Mika: Please, take the effort to tell me how effed up that statement is. How many school shooters can you tell me have not been young white misguided men?
70 Mika: Have the police found any indication that this guy had a plan to go and shot up the school? From his last posting there it would seem that he didn´t
71 Mika: "Stop High School Bullying Stop making fun of each other because of the clothes you wear, or the way people talk or act, or any other reasons you make
72 LHMARK: Damn. I know the owner of VampireFreaks. He used to be a club DJ here in Crapchester and got my old band gigs in NYC. I hope he doesn't take any flak
73 WhyWhyZed: Perhaps the line "whisky in the morning" had any affect on his decisions. Basically what i'm saying was, could he have been intoxicated as well? It's
74 Cadet57: How about the violence that goes on in black and hispanic inner city neighborhoods across the country. How about shootings in LA County or Miami-Dade
75 Mika: You are describing gang and/or crime related violence, very different from a seemingly innocent teenager that plots an attack at his school that will
76 Mika: No one but themselves actually knew of their plan. The Brown family had alerted the law enforcement about Eric Harris' death threats against Brooks B
77 Cadet57: Not gang violence. Im referring to inner city school violence where if you so much as give someone "the look" its shanks in English 101.
78 Mika: Cadet, You did mention neighbourhoods and not schools in your post, so that's what i assumed. So what about the violence in inner city schools then? H
79 Cadet57: My apologies. I was trying to point out schools. Are you referring to schools or general population? No, It may not be. But it is still school violen
80 Mika: Schools. The point is that what i have been referring to in this thread (aswell as what this thread is about) is by definition a school shooting, not
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