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One Arab's Apology  
User currently offlineRJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (8 years 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2492 times:

Interesting article....

http://www.nypost.com/postopinion/op...dcolumnists_emilio_karim_dabul.htm

September 12, 2006 -- WELL, here it is, five years late, but here just the same: an apology from an Arab-American for 9/11. No, I didn't help organize the killers or contribute in any way to their terrible cause. However, I was one of millions of Arab-Americans who did the unspeakable on 9/11: nothing.

Well, I'm sick of saying the truth only in private - that Arabs around the world, including Arab-Americans like myself, need to start holding our own culture accountable for the insane, violent actions that our extremists have perpetrated on the world at large.

The men who killed 3,000 of our citizens on 9/11 in all likelihood died saying prayers to Allah, and that by itself is one of the most horrific things to me about that day.

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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26540 posts, RR: 75
Reply 1, posted (8 years 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2458 times:

Yeah, nice way to put up one idiot's article in a Murdoch Rag that does nothing but insult millions of people.


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User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (8 years 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2446 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 1):
Yeah, nice way to put up one idiot's article in a Murdoch Rag that does nothing but insult millions of people.

Hmmmm, this doesn't appear to be an insult to me, rather a call to action - one that has been IMO thus far quite noticably absent - for Muslims to get their own house in order . . .

Seems like a rather smart idea.

""Five years after that awful day, it's time for all Arab-Americans, and Arabs around the world, to protest against Islamic fascism, to raise our voices - and, where necessary, our arms - against these tyrants until their plague of terror has been driven from the face of the earth forever.""


User currently offlineIFEMaster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2428 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 2):
Seems like a rather smart idea.

I'm with ANC on this. I think this guy has his head screwed on and is taking what responsibility is due to be taken by his culture/race/whatever you want to call it. I just got done reading a fantastic book - "Londonistan" by Melanie Phillips - and this guys response is exactly what I would hope to see on a global scale: those who are part of the religion and race that the terrorists claim allegiance with rising up to oust them from their society.


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26540 posts, RR: 75
Reply 4, posted (8 years 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2419 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 2):
Hmmmm, this doesn't appear to be an insult to me, rather a call to action - one that has been IMO thus far quite noticably absent - for Muslims to get their own house in order . . .

Read some of the rest of the thread, where he calls people, including George Bush, apologists for a terrorist religion



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User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (8 years 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2409 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 4):
Read some of the rest of the thread, where he calls people, including George Bush, apologists for a terrorist religion

I read the whole article . . .

Bush has been called a hell of a lot worse, right here on this site . . .


User currently offlinePacificjourney From New Zealand, joined Jul 2001, 2734 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (8 years 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2409 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 2):
one that has been IMO thus far quite noticably absent

15406 posts and your opinions don't improve. As N1120A points out you should really read the whole thing before jumping on the bandwagon. Who needs conspiracy theories with this guy around ?

Silly and pointless pandering to the mob, nothing more.



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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26540 posts, RR: 75
Reply 7, posted (8 years 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2400 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 5):
Bush has been called a hell of a lot worse, right here on this site . . .

Bush IS a hell of a lot worse, but on this subject, Bush's comments were correct and this a'hole is completely off base.



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User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2400 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 1):
Yeah, nice way to put up one idiot's article in a Murdoch Rag that does nothing but insult millions of people.

Seems to me the only one's being insulted were the creep Islamofascists, and those who apologize and defend the maround the world. You have a problem with THAT?

This is what Arabs and Muslims around the world should have said on Sept 12th, 2001. But it's better late than never, at least from one man who has a conscience about his faith and his race, and doesn't like this crap being done "in his name".

I think you need to get your prioirities straight here, dude.


User currently offlineBA757 From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 2832 posts, RR: 14
Reply 9, posted (8 years 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2400 times:

Interesting that this comes from a Westernised Arab, but what about the millions (billions?) in the Middle East and Asia - do they have the same attitude?
Do the terrorist organisations manage to brainwash and get people to believe their propaganda against the west?

I don't know the answers, but it is worth remembering there are many people in these countries that don't see and hear what we do, that have a completely different opinion.


User currently offlineTWISTEDWHISPER From Sweden, joined Aug 2003, 711 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (8 years 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 2382 times:

Meanwhile, the people in Chile are still waiting for an US apology for 9/11....1973.


Read between the lines.
User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (8 years 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 2361 times:

Quoting IFEMaster (Reply 3):
I think this guy has his head screwed on and is taking what responsibility is due to be taken by his culture/race/whatever you want to call it

How can anyone issue an apology on behalf of a culture or race ? What a ridiculous notion. The only people who could ever apologise for 9/11 are the ones that organised it and carried it out. EVERYONE else, and that does mean EVERYONE, is an innocent bystander. Assigning collective guilt is one step away from applying collective punishment, and that's just plain wrong.


User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (8 years 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 2361 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 7):
but on this subject, Bush's comments were correct and this a'hole is completely off base.

His quote from the article: ""The apologists (including President Bush) tried to reassure us that 9/11 had nothing to do with Islam, but was a twisting of a great and noble religion. ""

In this light, I believe Bush is correct. These extremists do not represent Islam, rather a bastardized sect with some obviously warped beliefs and teachings.

And continuing: ""With all due respect, read the Koran, Mr. President. There's enough there for someone of extreme tendencies to find their way to a global jihad. ""

Here I think the author missed the mark completely. One could read the Bible and find just enough wiggle room for a Christian Crusade - oh, wait . . . we did that already . . .

Quoting Pacificjourney (Reply 6):
Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 2):
one that has been IMO thus far quite noticably absent

15406 posts and your opinions don't improve.

Opinion noted and summarily dismissed . . . thanks for playing though.


User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (8 years 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 2361 times:

Quoting TWISTEDWHISPER (Reply 10):

1. Don't tell me you're comparing the two.

2. If you want to talk about that subject, start your own thread, TW.


User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 14, posted (8 years 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 2340 times:

Quoting RJpieces (Thread starter):
holding our own culture accountable

rubbish, Hitler did what he did IN SPITE of German culture, PolPot did what he did IN SPITE of Cambodian culture, Stalin did what he did IN SPITE of Russian culture. To excuse crimes by "culture" or "tradition" is supplying the evildoers a kind of help, a kind of "well they were not really guilty", which very simply is wrong. To realize that a criminal, a murderer or whatever, has/had this or that or something else in common with you, does NOT change anything at all, it is irrelevant. If you have known such a person and explained something to that person WITHOUT knowledge of his later deed, then you feel bad but it is NOT really your fault. And to think that he or any of the others could have done anything sensible on that day just is illusion. -- At the other hand, just as an Algerian editor of a Paris based magazine wrote in late October 01, "we all in a way have become culprits and accomplices overnight", his conclusion however was that the only thing to be done was to upgrade the fight against terrorism.


User currently offlineBHXFAOTIPYYC From Portugal, joined Jun 2005, 1644 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (8 years 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 2333 times:

On 9/11 every Arab leader from Saddam to Gaddafi publicly condemned the events of that day. The article refers to 9/11 so I refer exclusively to that day, and that day alone. The idea that an entire race of people are responsible for the actions of a minority is unjustified. The Arabs, like any other race, do not think and act as a unified group. Look at the last 40 years - half of the countries have either had wars with each other, civil wars, or at least border skirmishes. Long beards and covered faces in Tunisia will attract much more attention than jeans or t-shirts will. It's the opposite in Saudi. It is also not true that all Arabs pass their days plotting how Israel could wiped off the face of the earth. Privately they know perfectly well that Israel isn't going anywhere, and in general have little interest in issues like Iraq or the Palestinians, as long as the "trouble" stays outside their borders.


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User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 16, posted (8 years 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 2333 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 2):
Seems like a rather smart idea.

""Five years after that awful day, it's time for all Arab-Americans, and Arabs around the world, to protest against Islamic fascism, to raise our voices - and, where necessary, our arms - against these tyrants until their plague of terror has been driven from the face of the earth forever.""

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unfortunately not. Exactly the point that he included a quotation of the glorious man in the White House proves that it rather is a desparate attempt to appease and to please the NON-Arab US-Americans. AND it unfortunately shows that the man is out of touch, as he apparently has NOT realized that much of the Arab World started to struggle against terrorism / terrorists in the 1980ies, so that a "call to arms" in 2006 is a bit late. It is breaking open doors.

[Edited 2006-09-13 22:18:40]

User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26540 posts, RR: 75
Reply 17, posted (8 years 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 2324 times:

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 8):
Seems to me the only one's being insulted were the creep Islamofascists, and those who apologize and defend the maround the world.

Again, read the whole thing.

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 8):
This is what Arabs and Muslims around the world should have said on Sept 12th, 2001.

And they did. I guess you weren't listening, as usual

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 8):
I think you need to get your prioirities straight here, dude.

Don't tell me where my priorities need to be until you can actually take your blinders off

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 12):
His quote from the article: ""The apologists (including President Bush) tried to reassure us that 9/11 had nothing to do with Islam, but was a twisting of a great and noble religion. ""

In this light, I believe Bush is correct. These extremists do not represent Islam, rather a bastardized sect with some obviously warped beliefs and teachings.

And continuing: ""With all due respect, read the Koran, Mr. President. There's enough there for someone of extreme tendencies to find their way to a global jihad. ""

Here I think the author missed the mark completely. One could read the Bible and find just enough wiggle room for a Christian Crusade - oh, wait . . . we did that already . . .

See what I am talking about. Someone finally found it, and it was the person I expected too



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User currently offlineAirxLiban From Lebanon, joined Oct 2003, 4513 posts, RR: 53
Reply 18, posted (8 years 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 2310 times:

In and of itself, this article has a lot of caliber to it.

As far as his assessment of the religion - well I'm not in a position to judge Islam nor do I want to. But I do know that the Holy Book can be vague, self contradicting, and highly dependent on context and my understanding is that that makes it possible to use it to justify certain things - at least in ones own mind.

Take that and add the fact that in the minds of many Musilms, America is and has been disrespecting the Arab world in various ways for decades - and it's not too difficult to see where terrorism breeds from. Is it justified? Not even on a cold day in hell. But is it understandable given the circumstances? Yes.

As far as this guy is concerned, should he apologise for Arabs? No - we are all accountable for our own actions. Should he look at his culture and his religion with a critical eye, adopting what he thinks works and rejecting what he thinks doesn't? Yes. As far as chalking it up to "our extremeists" and "our culture"? Well - that's up to your own interpretation. Being Lebanese and Christian, I don't feel as though Mohammad Atta or whoever has anything to do with my culture. So should we hold our culture accountable for the acts of our extremeists? That's something I'm not sure about. Governments and figure heads are responsible, at the very least to a certain degree, but I don't believe that its possible to classify one culture across the expanse of the Arab world from Morocco to Oman, nor do I believe that culture itself is responsible for terrorism.

This guy makes some good points, but my only problem with what he has said is that we ought to apply the same unbiased mindset to everything that comes our way. To have had no reaction to the September 11 attacks is bad enough - but on the other hand to act as though the dying of other innocent people across the world in greater numbers is nothing compared to 9/11 is even more dangerous in my opinion. I think for the point is that we have to treat everything using the same objective and unbiased criteria and look at all sides of the argument coming out strongly in support of one or the other. Easier said than done, of course.

Quoting IFEMaster (Reply 3):
I just got done reading a fantastic book - "Londonistan" by Melanie Phillips - and this guys response is exactly what I would hope to see on a global scale: those who are part of the religion and race that the terrorists claim allegiance with rising up to oust them from their society.

I've read it too and it scared the shit out of me, because I know that is mostly correct. Even if only half of what Melanie Phillips said is correct - we've got a lot to worry about. More than anything though she took the words out of my mouth with her description of how muslims in the UK are creating a state within a state.



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User currently offlineQR332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (8 years 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 2306 times:

Why isn't it surprising that RJ is reporting on yet another idiot trying to kiss ass who doesn't know what hes talking about?

First of all, here is something you might find shocking, but just because you don't hear it doesn't mean it didn't happen!

Second all, here is another shocking thing: 1.4 billion Muslims don't owe anyone an apology. I owe you guys an apology just about as much as you me an apology for Iraq, which is very little considering i'm not Iraqi. America never apologised to Iran for doing what it did to it, the British never apologised the Palestinians for giving their land away, and in light of this, I really don't believe we should have double standards held up against us which say that WE have to apologise for something that 12 people we had absolutley no link to other than religion did, yet you guys can shatter and destroy an entire nation and not have to say a word.

Third of all, even Hamas and Hezbollah condemned 9/11, and when Zawahiri offered to help Hamas, Hamas replied by telling him to shut up and keep his filthy hands away from Palestinian matters. Fact is, even the extremists see Al Qaeda as shitfaces, and the fact that this doesn't get reported to you does not mean anything.

Finally, ANC, about finding verses in the Quran to support such action... I could go and take things out of context from ANY book in the world and twist it to my needs.I could take verses out of the Quran that would give off the impression that I don't need to pray, it is all about context. It is just like the infamous "kill the infidels where you find them" verse, which is very widely publicised. People, though, never know that just before that verse it says "If you are attacked by them", and is followed by how civilians must not be harmed.


User currently offlineAdh214 From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 360 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (8 years 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 2276 times:

This really gets to a more nuanced response to 9/11 than Bush's "Go get 'em"
schtick. True the parties responsible for organizing and financing 9/11 must be found and punished. This about 100 people or less but what about the other billion Muslims. The US needs to actively engage with the Muslim world instead of invading it. There is an excellent article in editorial in Newsweek about a different approach and what could have been....

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14753927/site/newsweek/

Andrew


User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (8 years 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 2262 times:

What nonsense is this?

The guy is an Arab, but he never mentions being a Muslim. The only apparent link with the September 11th bombers is the colour of his skin. We don't expect 'Asians' to apologise for Pearl Harbour, or for 'whites' to apologise for Hiroshima. Why should apologies from Arabs completely removed from the attacks be required?

[Edited 2006-09-13 22:59:14]

User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39898 posts, RR: 74
Reply 22, posted (8 years 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 2243 times:

Quoting 777236ER (Reply 21):
The guy is an Arab, but he never mentions being a Muslim. The only apparent link with the September 11th bombers is the colour of his skin. We don't expect 'Asians' to apologise for Pearl Harbour, or for 'whites' to apologise for Hiroshima. Why should apologies from Arabs completely removed from the attacks be required?

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RJpieces:
I'd expect you of all people here to be able to distinguish the diference between a Arab and Muslim. Arab is ethnicity, Muslim is a religion.
Besides, this article is from a joke news source anyway.

Quoting TWISTEDWHISPER (Reply 10):
Meanwhile, the people in Chile are still waiting for an US apology for 9/11....1973.

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User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (8 years 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2193 times:

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 16):
AND it unfortunately shows that the man is out of touch, as he apparently has NOT realized that much of the Arab World started to struggle against terrorism / terrorists in the 1980ies, so that a "call to arms" in 2006 is a bit late. It is breaking open doors.

I see no evidence of that. Other than the condemnation issued after terrorist attacks are undertaken. Is the Arab world jailing the suspected terrorists? Are they prosecuting any of them . . . say for example, the burners of the Embassies after the quite recent Cartoon debacle?

Quoting QR332 (Reply 19):
Finally, ANC, about finding verses in the Quran to support such action... I could go and take things out of context from ANY book in the world and twist it to my needs

Gee, didn't I say that right here QR???

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 12):
Here I think the author missed the mark completely. One could read the Bible and find just enough wiggle room for a Christian Crusade - oh, wait . . . we did that already . . .


User currently offlineRolfen From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 1809 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (8 years 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2183 times:

Muslims will take no lessons from any outsiders... or even any non-muslims.
So it has to be arab muslims who work out this extremism problem, indeed.



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25 AGM100 : Well now would be a good time to start Rolfen. Last night watching CNN from Afghanistan/Iraq I was struck by the scenes of poverty and infastructure
26 AA777 : RJ, it is terribly presumtuous and insulting that you believe that all Muslims/Arabs owe the US an apology for what happened on 9/11. It shows how you
27 ME AVN FAN : the Arab World for years has brought terrorists to court and into prison. There between 1980 and now were dozens of executions of terrorists in Egypt
28 ANCFlyer : Thanks for that . . . you're right on, as my thinking was rather limited in scope to most of the present (last 5 years) terrorist activties. And if t
29 ME AVN FAN : while there most certainly are poor and backward areas existing in Iraq, Iraq of course is ways ahead of Afghanistan, in regard to infrastructure, ed
30 Post contains images Superfly : You are 100% spot on! It's too bad that almost all elected officials in Washington (in both parties) feel the way RJpieces presented this thread.
31 AGM100 : Agreed, maybe I was generalizing somewhat. But these areas of despair combined with the idea that Islam is the only religion and all others are subhu
32 ME AVN FAN : > few people in the Arab World feel that Islam is the only religion, and/or the thing about "subhuman" ... -- and that would be prohibited by the Kor
33 Post contains images FlyDeltaJets87 : Falcon and I agree? Unfortunately, George Bush is in a position where he was to be "politcally correct". I interpret it as this guy believes Bush sho
34 Post contains links Cairo : One Arab's apology appearing in a tabloid is interesting if you're pro-Israel and against Arabs and Muslims. A far more significant apology is the sen
35 AGM100 : ME AVN FAN, I believe you are correct about this. In my travels to the east I have never had any trouble with the people. I have met many proffesiona
36 ME AVN FAN : to "scream" does NOT sound like a solution. But people are opposing radicals all over the place to "fight" is the job of police and army. A) the mode
37 AGM100 : Why ? Obviously not literally screaming , but letting their politicians know that they want a bold move made against the radicals. If they have to sc
38 Dtwclipper : Cairo, NKUSA.org is a bad example even for you. They are just a group of extremists, and not a true representation. I appreciate the fact that you lik
39 ME AVN FAN : But exactly THIS has happened, and most Arab governments HAVE moved heavily against terrorists A) "demands on the government" WERE made B) the govern
40 N1120A : This has nothing to do with being politically correct. George Bush's own religion has myriad faults that have never been corrected and plague this co
41 Post contains images Usnseallt82 : Your opinion and nothing more. Bush is his own person and doing just fine. I'd hate to speculate as to what you would do in his position. Secondly, a
42 N1120A : No, the truth I guess diplomacy isn't your thing Even from you, I expect the ability to read.
43 Mandala499 : We've been fighting Islamofascism for a few decades. The good thing is, 9/11 gave the active moderates to push these extremists to the corner... the
44 Post contains images Usnseallt82 : We're not going to go around in circles over your opinion. It is your opinion and nothing more. Apparently, it isn't yours either. Your point seems p
45 N1120A : How about you do the same. I was speaking of a religion, not the monkey.
46 Usnseallt82 : Yeah, no crap. But you connected him with it as if he is some sort of pawn in the religious war.
47 Post contains images EA CO AS : Source, please? Because I sure as hell don't remember every Arab leader - particularly the religious ones - doing that. I DO remember seeing Palestin
48 Slider : Yeah, Saddam and several others with a wink and an elbow nudge to their buddies, I'm sure. And doing so with their fingers crossed. What a crock. Boo
49 AGM100 : IMO that is the goal to be persude in Iraq/Afhganistan. Establishment of a government who will be abject to EXTREMEST activities. Not in the way that
50 AirxLiban : Sorry, did you not bother reading the sentence before? The fact that people, policy makers no less, cannot understand the circumstances under which t
51 N1120A : No, I connected him with his professed religion. I don't hate anyone. As far as convert or be killed, christianity has a much greater history of that
52 QR332 : Exactly, you cannot ask unrelated people to apologize, especially when you guys have a completley wrong impression about the Arab response to 9/11. T
53 EA CO AS : The same reason that despite seeing countless American flags being burned while angry Muslims with bombs strapped to their bodies wail and shout and
54 Luv2fly : Agree 110% Remember it as well! So true, though good luck trying to get through to junior, he is always right and the West is evil and corrupt, thoug
55 Dougloid : You left out the part about how you really like America....
56 Post contains images ME AVN FAN : EVERY? well at least most. Just to name some: King M-VI of Morocco, President Abdel-Aziz Bouteflika of Algeria, President Ben Ali of Tunisia, Chairma
57 QR332 : Umm, even Hamas and Hezbollah leaders were doing that, all Arab heads of state condemned it. For God's sake, that video was proved to have been taken
58 ME AVN FAN : SUCH things apparently were NOT shown by US-American media. But that "candy-women" (unknown why she actually distributed candies, possibly the birthd
59 Tu204 : So when do we see Christians start apologizing for the thousands that have died in the middle east?
60 Post contains images Superfly : I agree 100!% Too bad so many Christians are to thick-headed to see things this way.
61 Post contains images EA CO AS : Silly? Interesting choice of words. So what were the 19 murderous thugs who killed 3,000 people on 9/11, then? Wacky? Nutty? Perhaps even Goofy?
62 Post contains images Superfly : That's weak my friend. Do you have any idea how many people killed by the folks controlling our government killed prior to 9/11 and after 9/11 that h
63 Lucky42 : It's funny everyone is claiming that it was only 12 terriorists why are we condemning all of islam. Well I will tell you my brother was telling me on
64 UALPHLCS : How typical, I guess no one has the right to free speech unless they are spewing YOUR point of view? This is what I find MOST disgusting about libera
65 Post contains images Superfly : UALPHLCS: Calm down now. N112OA was NOT calling for any restrictions on free speech. He was just expressing his point of view, just as you are.
66 ME AVN FAN : sorry, but you allow yourself to be hijacked by slogan-makers. Islam was/is not "hijacked" by anybody. You cannot hijack a religion, you only can tar
67 Luv2fly : Nor anyone else who calls the USA home sweet home. Just read what you have posted so far that should be a good start!
68 UALPHLCS : I was and still am calm. I only used caps for emphasis. When people claiming to be the mainstream of a religion get insulted by people pointing out e
69 Mandala499 : UALPHLCS, We're not doing nothing! Its just our way of dealing with them doesn't get reported on the news... Like walking out of hate-sermons by hate
70 Slider : Characteristics inherent to Islam that allow for misinterpretation? Can you elaborate? Yeah. After all, the Crusades weren't fought to repel Islam, t
71 ME AVN FAN : the extremist CAN define whatever they want. What's the matter. And the mainstream HAS reacted by bringing the extremists to justice, and in some cas
72 UALPHLCS : Because its moderates thats are going to Iraq and Chechnia and other hotshots around the world. Frankly, Getting back on topic, I think what the auth
73 AA777 : Okay, well in that case if you (or anyone else here) considers themselves a moderate christian, then I hope you/they are apologetic for the crusades,
74 Arsenal@LHR : Everyone is entitled to their opinions, if this man wants to apologise for 9/11, that's up to him. But don't bother waiting for an apology from 20% of
75 UALPHLCS : Yes, because the Crusades are still happening today! Oh yes beware, of th eSpanish Inquisition the next time your in Spain! Give me a break! I don't
76 Post contains images EA CO AS : You have GOT to be kidding me... We'll agree to disagree on this one.
77 ME AVN FAN : To charge the mess around Iraq and around Chechnia simply to one side, and ignore the at least partial responsibility of the two major powers involve
78 AirxLiban : The fact that the book is vague and self contradicting, the complexity and figurativeness of the language that it is written in, that kind of thing.
79 QR332 : Aww, does the truth hurt, Luv2fly? And distort things as you like, all I can say is thank God your not in charge of anything important with your blac
80 Gkirk : Start now because everyone is starting o get pissed off with your "religion of peace" rubbish.
81 Luv2fly : Always the victim, this song is getting old you have a new one by any chance. I'm sure were not praying to the same God, that is for sure.
82 EA CO AS : That, and the fact that the "entire Islamic world" is up in arms over the words of one man, yet the MURDEROUS ACTS OF NINETEEN MEN kept them mostly s
83 Post contains images Dougloid : Yes indeedy. We're a buncha retards, every one of us. From the bottom of my thick headed imperialist heart I apologize for muslims murdering each oth
84 Tu204 : Maybe if there were less thick-heads like yourself some of the major problems in the world would not exist right now.
85 Superfly : Now where did that come from? Not all Christians are retards but if you consider yourself one, that's fine with us.
86 Post contains images QR332 : We here in the Arab world realised how full of crap you guys where when you switched your reasons for invading Iraq 4 times... unfortunatley, you guy
87 ME AVN FAN : every religion is "religion of peace" or "religion of war", depending on the individual.
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