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Was The 2004 Election Stolen?  
User currently offlineAC773 From Canada, joined Nov 2005, 1730 posts, RR: 2
Posted (7 years 7 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 2146 times:

Summary courtesy of Slashdot:

Quote:
The GOP used a number of tactics in its fraudulent campaign including ballot-stuffing, denying newly registered voters (particularly in urban and minority precincts) their voting privileges via illegal mailings known as caging lists, inane voter registration requirements, preventing thousands of voters from receiving provisional ballots, under-providing Democrat-majority precincts with voting machines thus creating enormous queues of voters, faulty machines (particularly from Diebold) that skewed results in the GOP's favor, mostly unnoticed ballot-stuffing and fraud in rural areas, and a fixed recount that was paid for by the Green and Libertarian parties that essentially supported the initial fraudulent numbers

http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/10432334/was_the_2004_election_stolen

Right off the bat here, I don't know enough to have a position on this. First off, it's written by Robert F. Kennedy-not exactly the most objective person one could find on the matter. Second, I haven't seen any other article making this claim.

While I remain skeptical, the story certainly piqued my interest and I wanted to know how the A.net community felt about it. So, any thoughts?  Smile


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User currently offlineNewark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 30
Reply 1, posted (7 years 7 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2139 times:

Quoting AC773 (Thread starter):
First off, it's written by Robert F. Kennedy-not exactly the most objective person one could find on the matter.

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This is just more Democrats whining about losing the election.

They always say Gore should have won because he won the popular vote, but somehow the same doesn't apply in 2004. Convenient forgetfulness.

Harry



Why grab a Heine when you can grab a Busch?
User currently offlineDtwclipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 7 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2136 times:

To be honest, as a liberal Democrat, I was not thrilled with the outcome of either 2000 or 2004.

Do I subscribe to the "Stolen" argument, no.

Do I believe there were irregularities? Yes, but not enough to have changed the outcome.


User currently offlineUsnseallt82 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 4891 posts, RR: 53
Reply 3, posted (7 years 7 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2133 times:

Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 2):
Do I believe there were irregularities? Yes, but not enough to have changed the outcome.

This is a problem I had with the Florida recount because I know if there had been a nationwide recount, the numbers would have been slightly different. You can't single out one state when they're just the only ones that got caught with bad voting.

I liked the outcome, but the system was messed up.



Crye me a river
User currently offlineCptkrell From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3219 posts, RR: 13
Reply 4, posted (7 years 7 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2119 times:

Geeze; give it a rest.

If anything, Gore had tried to steal the election hisself, hiring a bastion of untold numbers of phone banks to democratic voters convincing them they "incorrectly interpreted" the voting system, tried to get offshore and other FPO and APO military personel's votes not counted, kept Dem-heavy polls in areas open past legal time, ad ininitum.

Anyway, Chad sez it's over. It's only two more years...give it another try then. Regards...jack



all best; jack
User currently offlineUH60FtRucker From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (7 years 7 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 2106 times:

Oh god... this thread is going to be like water:

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g52/UH60PilotIraq/Random/patienceislikewater.gif

-UH60


User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (7 years 7 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 2089 times:

Oh, man . . . .

First a thread on the US Gov't and 9/11 . . . .and NOW this Stolen Election Shit again . . .

Bad night to log in to A-net . . .

All the gawddman looney-tuners are out in force!!

Don't you guys have a mother-ship connection to make - or perhaps a tin foil hat convention somewhere???

 sarcastic 


User currently offlineAC773 From Canada, joined Nov 2005, 1730 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (7 years 7 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 2084 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 6):
Don't you guys have a mother-ship connection to make - or perhaps a tin foil hat convention somewhere???

This thread comes with a free disclaimer; maybe you should read it.  Yeah sure



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User currently offlineAirCop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (7 years 7 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 2075 times:

Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 2):
Do I believe there were irregularities? Yes, but not enough to have changed the outcome.

Yes, in Ohio at least, but it's water under the bridge. If the Democrats want a change better get in gear for November, and then worry about 2008.


User currently offlineAllstarflyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (7 years 7 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 2075 times:

Quoting AC773 (Thread starter):
it's written by Robert F. Kennedy

'Nuff said.

-R


User currently offlineRichPhitzwell From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (7 years 7 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 2068 times:

I find it interesting that people are so quick to accept official answers that any reasonable argument against the official is immediately judged as conspiracy.

Unless we question everything that power does, we become victims of said power.

No idea if it was "fixed" but enough irregularities occurred to piss me off. I love my country and I would rather not let my freedoms slip one bit.


User currently offlineTedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (7 years 7 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2058 times:

If the question were purely did the Republicans steal the 2004 election, the answer is a VERY simple YES... but not for the reasons cited.

Two themes assured the Republicans election:

Fear
Gay Marriage

If those two were not used effectively bore would have won.

Please note, from the ads I have seen of our Retardicans in Florida they are going to beat these themes like redheaded step children this year as well...Maybe some Floridians will catch on, but I doubt it.. in all likelyhood this will be a good if not ok year for the Retardicans. But maybe people will catch on in time for 2006... I doubt it.


User currently offlineNewark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 30
Reply 12, posted (7 years 7 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2054 times:

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 11):
If the question were purely did the Republicans steal the 2004 election, the answer is a VERY simple YES... but not for the reasons cited.

Two themes assured the Republicans election:

Fear
Gay Marriage

So they "stole" it because they concentrated on issues they knew would give them the edge? Sounds like good strategy to me.

Harry



Why grab a Heine when you can grab a Busch?
User currently offlineJetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7386 posts, RR: 51
Reply 13, posted (7 years 7 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2045 times:
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Quoting AC773 (Thread starter):
any thoughts?

According to the DNC and the other cybabies? Yes. According to a majority of the population? No. The Democrats and their candidates have yet to provide an alternative as to why the Republicans shouldn't control the WH, the US House, and the Senate. At every turn, the Democrats just whine, complain and oppose everything the President does or asks for. Whenever the Democrats decise to actually have a plan for the future of America, then they may have a snowballs chance in hell of actually wining an election. The good news is, the media is on their side. As long as National Security and the Economy are the most important issues in the mid-term and General Election, then the Republicans win. If Iraq continues to spiral out of control(as the media has been very effective at portraying), the Democrats may win some seats in 2008. But they won't win the presidency in 08, Not with the candidates they seem to pushing.



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User currently offlineTransWorldSTL From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 568 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (7 years 7 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2037 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 6):


All the gawddman looney-tuners are out in force!!

Don't you guys have a mother-ship connection to make - or perhaps a tin foil hat convention somewhere???

You know, ANC, I usually always agree with your opinions on things, and respect you quite a bit, but its posts like these that make me lose all respect for you. If its not something you're interested in, or something you completely agree with, then it's absolute Bull---- or a total conspiracy. And surprisingly, your usual loyal ass-kissers aren't posting to show how funny they think that post was. Hmm

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 6):
Bad night to log in to A-net . . .

Then please, do us all a favor, and log out... (maybe even for an extended period of time?)


User currently offlineUH60FtRucker From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (7 years 7 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2034 times:

Quoting TransWorldSTL (Reply 14):

Oh jesus... what did I tell you.

This-Thread-Will-Go-Downhill-Fast

Must be Victimization Sunday.... first the thread about Muslims taking offense to the Pope, then corrupt cops looking to ticket for no good reason, then the government being behind 9/11... and now the 2004 election was stolen.  Yeah sure

Hey just throw in a thread about Reparations, Aliens Landing at Roswell, and Europeans raping Native Americans of Their Land... and the circle will be complete.

-UH60


User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (7 years 7 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2022 times:

Quoting TransWorldSTL (Reply 14):
You know, ANC, I usually always agree with your opinions on things, and respect you quite a bit, but its posts like these that make me lose all respect for you. If

Life's tough, wear a helmet . . .

This conspiracy theory bullshit is exactly that . . . and - in my best 6th grade voice - if these tin foil hat wearers can post this inane crap I can certainly bitch about it . . .


User currently offlineNeilYYZ From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (7 years 7 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2008 times:

Quoting Newark777 (Reply 12):
So they "stole" it because they concentrated on issues they knew would give them the edge? Sounds like good strategy to me.

That sounds like what every party does in an election. Focus on what you do well, avoid what you don't. The republicans focused on the security issues while the democrats focused on the social issues. I personally don't believe that either election was stolen, but, what do I know.


User currently offlineLOT767-300ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (7 years 7 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2001 times:

Quoting UH60FtRucker (Reply 15):
then corrupt cops looking to ticket for no good reason,

Trust me, not just last week but everyday  Silly


User currently offlineGunsontheroof From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3493 posts, RR: 10
Reply 19, posted (7 years 7 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 1977 times:

Does anybody actually bother to read the presented evidence anymore? I don't think the (2004) election was stolen, but I'm not going to slam someone for offering some evidence that suggests it may havebeen. If you don't agree, you could at least offer some counterpoints instead of the usual "tinfoil hat" crap (which I recall coming up an awful lot when the whole CIA secret prison story emerged...we saw just how ridiculous those rumors turned out to be  sarcastic  )


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User currently offlineAndesSMF From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (7 years 7 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 1973 times:

Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 2):
Do I believe there were irregularities? Yes, but not enough to have changed the outcome.

All elections have irregularities, what determines fraud is a concious effort to subvert or cancel certain votes.

Quoting RichPhitzwell (Reply 10):
No idea if it was "fixed" but enough irregularities occurred to piss me off.

Again, see above. Irregularities in any election are a simple given. You have people handling the election process and people make mistakes.


User currently offlineDtwclipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (7 years 7 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1946 times:

Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 20):
Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 2):
Do I believe there were irregularities? Yes, but not enough to have changed the outcome.

All elections have irregularities, what determines fraud is a concious effort to subvert or cancel certain votes.

Quoting RichPhitzwell (Reply 10):
No idea if it was "fixed" but enough irregularities occurred to piss me off.

Again, see above. Irregularities in any election are a simple given. You have people handling the election process and people make mistakes.

Please don't play the semantics game. It wa very clear why my point was!

Noun 1. irregularity - behavior that breaches the rule or etiquette or custom
or morality
misbehavior, misbehaviour, misdeed - improper or wicked or immoral behavior


User currently offlineTexan From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 4264 posts, RR: 52
Reply 22, posted (7 years 7 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 1938 times:

Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 2):
Do I believe there were irregularities? Yes, but not enough to have changed the outcome.

Agreed. It is clear that there was some ballot box stuffing in Ohio and other states, but does anybody seriously believe that there were somewhere around 130,000 false votes cast in Ohio alone? I'm not happy with the election results, but the Democrats are to blame for their own misfortune. Like it or not, personality matters. Gore had the personality of a tree, Kerry of a rock, and Bush was more personable than both of them. Let's reach back into the vault and quote former Texas Agriculture Commish Jim Hightower here: "If the gods had meant for us to vote they would have given us candidates."

Texan



"I have always imagined that Paradise will be a kind of library."
User currently offlineTedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (7 years 7 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 1886 times:

Quoting Newark777 (Reply 12):
So they "stole" it because they concentrated on issues they knew would give them the edge? Sounds like good strategy to me.

Harry

Which is kind of my point...
Sub point being that if you think Dick Cheny cares about or even opposes gay marriage at all I have a news flash for you. They won on a point that most of them really didn't give squat about save to win the election.


User currently offlineNewark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 30
Reply 24, posted (7 years 7 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 1872 times:

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 23):
They won on a point that most of them really didn't give squat about save to win the election.

Politics is a bitch, ain't it?

Harry



Why grab a Heine when you can grab a Busch?
25 Bushpilot : I simply dont buy this argument, I am certainly no Bush supporter, but we have the electoral college for a reason. That being that the few states wit
26 Newark777 : Exactly. I disagree. Your vote should not count more than the vote from someone from Manhattan or Los Angeles. Haha, I love that excuse, the American
27 Bushpilot : I am not suggesting that, what I am saying is that the 9 most populous states have roughly half the poppulation. So it is possible for those 9 states
28 Newark777 : But that is essentially what you are getting. Those smaller states have a smaller voice for a reason, and that is because they have less people. I ag
29 Bushpilot : Not really for a few reasons, firstly, AK only has 3 electoral college votes, NY has 36 I believe or nearly 10x as many votes. These numbers are base
30 AndesSMF : Let's also remember that in 2004 Bush won the popular vote, and the Democrats hope was a win thru the electoral college. What comes around, goes aroun
31 DavestanKSAN : The Democrats ran a horrible campaign in 04. Only now do you hear Kerry wanting to fight back against the swift boat veterans. A little late my friend
32 Post contains images Halcyon : There's a sad component of "the politician's don't care, they all suck, so why vote?" And they don't care. It's a vicious cycle that will be almost i
33 TedTAce : Easily said when you percieve yourself on the victorious side. You forget the diference between individual and mass inteligence. Most Americans are f
34 Post contains images AndesSMF : What an original comparison! BTW, we had a thread about this some months back, and it was determined that Hitler was never elected by the majority of
35 EA CO AS : Another reason the GOP wins is the same reason they won Florida in 2000 - a bunch of retarded DEMOCRATS who couldn't figure out how to punch a friggi
36 Halcyon : It IS a very sad thing, and I'm afraid you're right. AndesSMF is correct with his thinking: That's really the only way. We somehow need to force refo
37 RichPhitzwell : WOW, a.neters really impress me. A serious topic that is core to our democracy and all we get is name calling. This is not a simple d vs. r topic. In
38 RayChuang : Actually, the thing that really turned off voters to the Kerry campaign was his very elitist Bostonian attitude. And his wife's bizzare pronouncement
39 Jetjack74 : You're not a true Anetter until you've been roasted. They seem to have little trouble reproducing the species though Followed closely by the fact tha
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