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User currently offlineSpeedbird747BA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 1268 times:

since the general consensus was to get a seperate F1 thread, here its is.... If you want the previous discussion go to Ultimate EPL And Formula 1 Thread! (by Speedbird747BA Sep 19 2006 in Non Aviation) to get it. Happy Racing  Smile

Cheers,
Kyle

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User currently offlineBill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8439 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 1260 times:

Well we are in for an exciting end to the season. The trophy is up for the taking and unfortunatley it won't be a McLaren driver holding it. Alonso will regain his cool and take the show to Schumacher with Ferrari loosing out once again.

User currently offlineBA757 From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 2832 posts, RR: 14
Reply 2, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 1257 times:

Quoting Bill142 (Reply 1):
Alonso will regain his cool and take the show to Schumacher with Ferrari loosing out once again.

I hope so!

Now where is James, Emrecan etc... to say otherwise?  Wink

Adam

P.S. Is Cornish still banned? He seems quiet.


User currently offlineKaddyuk From Wallis and Futuna, joined Nov 2001, 4126 posts, RR: 26
Reply 3, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 1254 times:

Quoting BA757 (Reply 2):
I hope so!

I thought you were red Adam...



Whoever said "laughter is the best medicine" never had Gonorrhea
User currently offlineAirbusA346 From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2004, 7437 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 1250 times:

Quoting BA757 (Reply 2):
Is Cornish still banned? He seems quiet.

Yes, he is still banned.

Tom.



Tom Walker '086' First Officer of a A318/A319 for Air Lambert - Hours Flown: 17 hour 05 minutes (last updated 24/12/05).
User currently offlineBA757 From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 2832 posts, RR: 14
Reply 5, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 1245 times:

Quoting Kaddyuk (Reply 3):

I thought you were red Adam...

Nope!

Only time I'll be red is if when Ferrari win the championship this year and I am slightly pissed off.

Adam


User currently offlineKaddyuk From Wallis and Futuna, joined Nov 2001, 4126 posts, RR: 26
Reply 6, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 1243 times:

I wish that Ron Dennis keeps Lewis Hamilton in a Test Driver role for the 2007 season. He's far to inexperienced to be racing with the big boys. And Pedro De La Rosa is doing fine at the moment. He can certainly "Hold His Own". Championship winning material he may not be. But he is reliable and accountable. McLaren may loose both those qualities in Hamilton if they race him next year.


Whoever said "laughter is the best medicine" never had Gonorrhea
User currently offlineBill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8439 posts, RR: 8
Reply 7, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 1238 times:

Quoting Kaddyuk (Reply 3):
I thought you were red Adam...

Only if McLaren is red...

Quoting Kaddyuk (Reply 6):
I wish that Ron Dennis keeps Lewis Hamilton in a Test Driver role for the 2007 season. He's far to inexperienced to be racing with the big boys. And Pedro De La Rosa is doing fine at the moment. He can certainly "Hold His Own". Championship winning material he may not be. But he is reliable and accountable. McLaren may loose both those qualities in Hamilton if they race him next year.

I totally agree. Hamilton has only just started his first proper F1 test this week. Getting thousands of kilometers of testing behind him during the winter and througout 2007 will help him hone his skills. Fernando Alonso spent a year on the sidelines doing testing and look where he's gotten. Although Hamilton may chuck a tanty and leave McLaren as his contract with the team expires at the end of the year, but in my opinion he would be stupid to run out on a team like McLaren.

Pedro has proven himself in races and has the race experience to support Alonso. Paffett has the test experience, but lacks then race expereince that De La Rosa can bring to the team.


User currently offlineEmrecan From Turkey, joined Feb 2000, 938 posts, RR: 7
Reply 8, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 1234 times:

BA757:

Hi Adam,

I am sorry I was in the States for my vacation and I couldn't join the threads for a while. unfortunately I couldn't watch the Italian GP but I am happy Balonso couldn't finish.

I heard what he said about Schumi is really stupid. He doesn't deserve any respect.
Balonso is 2nd Villeneuve. Last year he won the title by his chance and Kimi's unluck. But this year I am sure he will not win the title. I am sorry for Mercedes that they took him  Sad

Next year will be great for Ferrari funs. With Kimi , we will be very happy I am sure.

For the legend Schumi, we will miss you a lot and noone can fill your place


User currently offlineSpeedbird747BA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 1220 times:

Quoting Kaddyuk (Reply 6):
I wish that Ron Dennis keeps Lewis Hamilton in a Test Driver role for the 2007 season. He's far to inexperienced to be racing with the big boys. And Pedro De La Rosa is doing fine at the moment. He can certainly "Hold His Own". Championship winning material he may not be. But he is reliable and accountable. McLaren may loose both those qualities in Hamilton if they race him next year.

 checkmark  Exactly, btw, congratulations to Kubica. He did a great job in Italy.

Quoting Emrecan (Reply 8):
For the legend Schumi, we will miss you a lot and noone can fill your place

I second. Whatever anyone says about schumi, he was a great driver, and it wont be the same without his competition. I put 5$ on Michael to win the championship this year.

Cheers,
Kyle


User currently offlineJamesbuk From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 3968 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 1215 times:

Quoting Emrecan (Reply 8):

 checkmark   checkmark   checkmark 

Balonso is such a well twit basically. It's just the fact that he's only a remotely good driver if his car works, if it doesnt hes either out of the race or hes down the grid and stays in the same place. Schumi he works for it no matter how far down. I have to say after what he said ive lost every tiny little bit of respect i had for him.

Rgds --James--

Btw you guys you may aswell admit schumi will win this year!



You cant have your cake and eat it... What the hells the point in having it then!!!
User currently offlineSpeedbird747BA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 1208 times:

Quoting Jamesbuk (Reply 10):

 checkmark  Well said!!

Cheers,
Kyle


User currently offlineBA757 From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 2832 posts, RR: 14
Reply 12, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 1204 times:

Quoting AirbusA346 (Reply 4):
Yes, he is still banned.

That makes sense - how do you know if someone is still banned or not? Anyway, any idea what he said to get banned?

Quoting Emrecan (Reply 8):
I am happy Balonso couldn't finish.

I thought you might be!

Quoting Emrecan (Reply 8):
Balonso is 2nd Villeneuve.

Oh come on, that's a bit of a harsh statement.

Quoting Jamesbuk (Reply 10):
It's just the fact that he's only a remotely good driver if his car works, if it doesnt hes either out of the race or hes down the grid and stays in the same place. Schumi he works for it no matter how far down.

Not always so. Michael's car wasn't working last season - what did he achieve? One lousy 'win' at Indy.

I have to stick up for Alonso, so what he said some negative stuff about Schumacher, it's not like Schumacher is perfect is it?

All the drivers spout crap off like this - Irvine was the master at it. It's good for F1, it adds to the entertainment factor.

Adam


User currently offlineBill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8439 posts, RR: 8
Reply 13, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 1198 times:

Quoting BA757 (Reply 12):
All the drivers spout crap off like this - Irvine was the master at it. It's good for F1, it adds to the entertainment factor.

Agreed. F1 needs personalities who aren't afraid to speak their mind.


User currently offlineDuff44 From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 1723 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 1197 times:

Question of the day:

If Schumi wins his eighth, who gets the #0 on their Ferrari next year: Massa or Raikkonen?

Keep in mind, ONLY the World Driving Champion can use #1 (unless he's being temporarily subbed for), and Damon Hill used #0 for 1993 and 1994.



I'll rassle ya for a bowl of bacon!
User currently offlineBill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8439 posts, RR: 8
Reply 15, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 1197 times:

Quoting Duff44 (Reply 14):
If Schumi wins his eighth, who gets the #0 on their Ferrari next year: Massa or Raikkonen

toss a coin. I don't know who. Perhaps the driver who finnishes higher in the championship, which would probably be Massa.


User currently offlineLegoguy From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 3312 posts, RR: 40
Reply 16, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 1184 times:

Quoting Jamesbuk (Reply 10):
It's just the fact that he's only a remotely good driver if his car works, if it doesnt hes either out of the race or hes down the grid and stays in the same place.

Maybe abit harsh. If any driver's car does not work properly when I doubt they can improve on their grid positions during they're race. Also, he recently just proved you wrong....he made a fantastic qualifying lap at Monza with a damaged car to get him 5th on the grid. (although the damage was not too bad)  Silly

Even though the damage he sustained was the result of his mistake, from memory, he has only made afew mistakes in the last 2 years. Once here in qualifying, and once at the Canadian Grandprix last year, costing him his race.

But yes I will agree his outburst at Schumacher was a little strange but hey, makes great entertainment for the last 3 races  Smile

Im just noticing now that China is 10 days away! Damn! I thought there was a grandprix this weekend! Umph!  Sad



Can you say 'Beer Can' without sounding like a Jamaican saying 'Bacon'?
User currently offlineBill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8439 posts, RR: 8
Reply 17, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 1178 times:

Quoting Legoguy (Reply 16):
Im just noticing now that China is 10 days away! Damn! I thought there was a grandprix this weekend! Umph!

same. I'm brutally unimpressed as well. And I suppose that Japan is 1 week later which is the same weekend as the Bathurst 1000 which means a compressed coverage after the race *humph*


User currently offlineMauriceB From Netherlands, joined Aug 2004, 2489 posts, RR: 25
Reply 18, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 1174 times:

Guy's what about the new Spyker look? (ex-Midland) they will already drive next GP:

http://www.telesport.nl/autosport/63...pyker-MF1_wordt_oranje.html?p=13,1

Personally im glad they changed the looks, because the old midland's really looked like McLarens.

Ps, they said they think they will invest as much money as Toyota and ferrari, within 2 years, but they think they can achieve more than Toyota (would be strange if they didn't  Wink) and i think they are right, because they build some great racing cars! (they were on the top at Le Mans)


User currently offlineBill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8439 posts, RR: 8
Reply 19, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 1167 times:

Quoting MauriceB (Reply 18):
Ps, they said they think they will invest as much money as Toyota and ferrari, within 2 years, but they think they can achieve more than Toyota (would be strange if they didn't ) and i think they are right, because they build some great racing cars! (they were on the top at Le Mans

I don't think so. They certainly don't have the resources of the like of Toyota and Ferrari ie being backed by large manufacturers. One thing which disadvantages Spyker is it's lack of engine. They will have to use customer engines next year, and it could be some years before they produce their own, which I think they will inevitabley do. I think they currently use customer engines for their road cars.

I hope their in for the long haul. It's good to see another niche manufacturer in the sport.


User currently offlineMauriceB From Netherlands, joined Aug 2004, 2489 posts, RR: 25
Reply 20, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 1163 times:

Quote:
I don't think so. They certainly don't have the resources of the like of Toyota and Ferrari ie being backed by large manufacturers. One thing which disadvantages Spyker is it's lack of engine.

Well there is a discussion going on. They don't lack resources, but some investors wan't to use Ferrari motors (he also has a stake in ferrari) which will cost up to 148 million dollars a year, and the others wan't to use Cosworth motors (''only'' 8 million a year)

It isn't about the money, but more with relationships etc.

Im sure they will make F1 more competitive, not in the first 2 years, but after that they will certainly belong to the sub-top.

Im hoping this will finally means the end of all the take-overs which started with Arrows a couple of years back. We saw a lot of management changes, bu tnow only the owners will change an they are willing to put more money in the F1 then the other owners!

Holland is going to show why its finacially (average) the best running country of the EU.


User currently offlineBill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8439 posts, RR: 8
Reply 21, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 1160 times:

Quoting MauriceB (Reply 20):
Well there is a discussion going on. They don't lack resources, but some investors wan't to use Ferrari motors (he also has a stake in ferrari) which will cost up to 148 million dollars a year, and the others wan't to use Cosworth motors (''only'' 8 million a year)

When I say they lack the resources of toyota and ferrari, their R&D set ups won't be any where near as diverse as those of the big manufacturers and Ferrari has the ability to call on the resources of Fiat. Despite popular belief, money isn't the solution to all of a teams problems.

148 million seems a bit unreasonable. I don't think any other team which has used Ferrari engines would have paid remotely near that much. In my opinion they would be wise to get hold of some Mercedes engines and take on Lewis Hamilton for a season. That way they would probably get the engines at a discount and McLaren would get Hamilton in 2008 with some experience.


User currently offlineBA757 From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 2832 posts, RR: 14
Reply 22, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 1159 times:

Quoting Bill142 (Reply 21):
In my opinion they would be wise to get hold of some Mercedes engines and take on Lewis Hamilton for a season. That way they would probably get the engines at a discount and McLaren would get Hamilton in 2008 with some experience.

Dave Richards Prodrive are allegedly going to be taking Mercedes power.

I wonder if Hamilton will test for a season with Mclaren, then have a season at Prodrive with Mercedes power to gain race experience.

Adam


User currently offlineBill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8439 posts, RR: 8
Reply 23, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 1155 times:

That's an entirely feasible option. Question is, will Lewis go for it? The kid seems pretty eager to get into the car. He should just settle down and let McLaren guide him otherwise hes going to turn into a nobody.

User currently offlineMauriceB From Netherlands, joined Aug 2004, 2489 posts, RR: 25
Reply 24, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 1153 times:

Quote:
148 million seems a bit unreasonable

Well it was in the press release of Spyker when a journalist asked them  Smile

Ps, the drivers set-up will probably be Albers and De La Rosa,

Albers could go to McLaren, as they are in talks, but if he doesn't he will stay at this team. He's followed by more top teams (red bull, Toyota, and Renault)

If Albers go's, they are eyeing Trulli. They rather had Doornbos, but he's probably getting a seat with Red Bull (he's already driving the last 3 races, instead of klien, mainly because of his terrific free training times)

Yes , the Dutchies are moving into the F1, and im proud of that! 2 other Dutch youngsters are already testing with Super aguri and Toyota, while theire both only 18 and 20.


25 BA757 : £10 / 15EUR says Albers won't go to Mclaren. It's just not going to happen. He should do. Prodrive will be a good team, mooted as the probable Mclar
26 Bill142 : I think Hamilton is in a differnt boat to Raikkonen. Kimi pretty much came from formula Renault to F1 which is a pretty big step. The FIA put him on
27 BA757 : Indeed, what I meant was, Raikkonen got a race seat in F1 with very little experience, both in racing and testing, unlike Lewis who has considerably
28 MauriceB : Why not? he has a great Reputation with Mercedes from its DTM time, and when he entered F1, they actually wanted him as 3th driver, but he wanted to
29 Post contains images Jamesbuk : Sorry, i kind of phrased that wrong. What i meant was when alonsos cant doesnt work, all he does is bitches and moans and whinges like a lil school g
30 Post contains links BA757 : Strong Gossip About F1 (by Bongo Sep 21 2006 in Non Aviation) Hmm... I don't think JPM will be back. Adam
31 Post contains images Duff44 : Of interest: Spa revisions are about to begin. New F1 pit complex and revised 'bus stop' which now goes the other way! Images from dailysportscar.com
32 Bill142 : Hamilton does have more race experience, yes. But no F1 experience. I'm not sure McLaren would be willing to take a chance on a driver who hasn't got
33 Post contains images Legoguy : Wow that start finish line has changed quite abit! Theres no more curve just before the finish line! And the bus stop has changed dramatically as wel
34 Duff44 : The whole pit complex is bigger, with better facilities and a wider, longer pit lane. The current pit lane doesn't start until just before the red thi
35 Bill142 : It looks like a pretty tight set of corners. And Legoguy is right, the front straight is straight, rathern the curved. Are they only just starting the
36 Post contains images HKGKaiTak : I wonder if the braking approach to the Bus Stop is now straight. It's not that great a passing place if the slight right hand kink stays. Doesn't lo
37 Duff44 : The report I read said it will close at "the end of the year", and work will continue through June of next year. (Sorry, no link... paysite) That mea
38 Speedbird747BA : alright......the big question? who likes Bernie Ecclestone and Max Mosely? Personally i dont like bernie because hes become a billionare off selling t
39 Jamesbuk : So you dont like the guy because he runs an extremely succesful company?!?!I like bernie in a way because he tells it how it is and is scared of no o
40 Bill142 : What on earth are you coming to this dump for? I don't know. I think it will suffer as they've lost their core market essentially. More reality crap
41 Bill142 : so brutally unimpressed right now. 10 are delaying the Chinese GP until 11:40pm. MotoGP last week managed to score a live slot for the second week in
42 Post contains links BA757 : South Korea to host race in 2010. http://www.itv-f1.com/News_Article.aspx?PO_ID=37558 Yay, another boring Tilke circuit - isn't it about time someone
43 Bill142 : Singapore is aiming for 2008 (where they will run a race is beyond me) India is also on the sniff for a race and Japan is after a 2nd race. Could we s
44 BA757 : I believe so personally, but Ecclestone puts the developing nations interest in the sport and booming car industry spin on it. Adam
45 Bill142 : Yes, that's the spin. I think bernie needs to stop flogging the dead horse that is tobaccos advertising. The only team who will have tobacco sponsors
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