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Chavez Is My New Good Buddy!  
User currently offlineBushpilot From South Africa, joined Jul 2007, 0 posts, RR: 1
Posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 3035 times:

http://www.adn.com/money/industries/oil/story/8214591p-8111809c.html

Yeah yeah I know he isnt my favorite politician but Citgo is giving 100 gallons of home heating fuel for all the house holds in rural Alaska. I cant even begin to tell you folks how nice it will be to take delivery of my fuel when it gets here. It is very much needed, and will save me 500 bucks! Right now home heating diesel fuel costs $5 per gallon in my village. The 100 gal is worth probably a months worth of heat during a cold month. Say what you will about his politics, and I do realise Chavez has little to do with the decision from Citgo, but Ill gladly take the heat. Hell if OBL himself wanted to fill up my tank I would let him.

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User currently offlineZone1 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 1035 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 3026 times:

Chavez is the biggest attention whore in the world.


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User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13040 posts, RR: 12
Reply 2, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 3017 times:

I think that Bush ought to ban such deals as supports a foreign government. You should check out DrudgeReport.com - even liberal democrats are bashing Chavez for his anti-Bush bashing.

User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39701 posts, RR: 75
Reply 3, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 3001 times:

President Chavez also helped up out after hurricane Katrina hit us. His help was needed and shouldn't go unrecognized.


Bring back the Concorde
User currently offlineBushpilot From South Africa, joined Jul 2007, 0 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2995 times:

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 2):
I think that Bush ought to ban such deals as supports a foreign government.

How does him giving out a few million dollars in fuel support that government? Not financially, and if you read the article, most of the people in there and myself included cringe at the connection there. But let me say this, in that one swift movement, Citgo just did more for the people of rural Alaska than the Bush tax cuts from a few years back. Rural Alaska is largely forgotten even within the state of Alaska. We have only have two strong advocates for us, Sen. Stevens and Rep. Don Young, without those two this area of Alaska would be stuck in the 1930s instead of being stuck in the 1980s. I am by no means a charity case, but last year my roommate and I split a $3k winter heating bill. I know I live in AK and its cold, but only 2 years ago it would have cost us half that much. This donation he is making truely is as close to foreign humanitarian aide as one will get in this country.

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 2):
You should check out DrudgeReport.com - even liberal democrats are bashing Chavez for his anti-Bush bashing.

I dont need to do that, I do think Chavez is a nut, I dont think this will even begin to convert any of the residents out here to become more socialistic than they already are. This in no way undermines anyones pride in being American. But we have more oil in this state than probably the rest combined. But yet in the rural areas we pay the highest prices for it easily in the nation.


User currently offlineDerico From Argentina, joined Dec 1999, 4300 posts, RR: 12
Reply 5, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2985 times:

Well, not even the poor people in Venezuela or Argentina get that discount!!!

(either by him or US corporations)

edit: The Venezuelans do pay peanuts for oil though.

[Edited 2006-09-21 21:57:57]


My internet was not shut down, the internet has shut me down
User currently offlineAloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8695 posts, RR: 43
Reply 6, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2966 times:

Quoting Zone1 (Reply 1):
Chavez is the biggest attention whore in the world.

 rotfl  Don't you think there might just be a bit more to it than that?



Walk together, talk together all ye peoples of the earth. Then, and only then, shall ye have peace.
User currently offlineFaustino927 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 263 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 2919 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 3):
President Chavez also helped up out after hurricane Katrina hit us. His help was needed and shouldn't go unrecognized.

I will NOT support anyone who is buddy-buddy with Fidel Castro. He is a communist pig who is desperate for attention just like Fidel. Give me a break!!
It really pisses me off when people from the USA talk like you do. If you like him so much then move to Venezuela.



Obsessed is just a word the lazy use to describe the dedicated.
User currently onlineSlider From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6785 posts, RR: 34
Reply 8, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 2913 times:

Quoting Bushpilot (Thread starter):
and will save me 500 bucks!

So $500 is the price of your soul....heh.


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39701 posts, RR: 75
Reply 9, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 2905 times:

Quoting Faustino927 (Reply 7):
If you like him so much then move to Venezuela.

Nah, I am afraid of those large Anacondas and crocodiles.  Smile



Bring back the Concorde
User currently offlineMKEdude From South Korea, joined May 2005, 1011 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 2895 times:

Quoting Faustino927 (Reply 7):
It really pisses me off when people from the USA talk like you do. If you like him so much then move to Venezuela.

What an asinine statement.  sarcastic 

As Americans we will say what we want, whenever we want, no matter how many people get pissed off at it. It is our right as American citizens and if you can't accept that concept, then perhaps YOU should move to someplace where the constitution is written in pencil, and the government tells you what you can and cannot say.

As for Chavez he is a first class asshat, but then again so are most people with oil. Therefore if he is giving away free oil I won't say no.



"You can't be a real country unless you have a beer and an airline." Frank Zappa
User currently offlineAndesSMF From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 2862 times:

Quoting MKEdude (Reply 10):
As for Chavez he is a first class asshat, but then again so are most people with oil. Therefore if he is giving away free oil I won't say no.

Agreed, my dislike for Chavez is well known, but I rather take his $500 gift than have him use it in other places.

BTW, I have heard thru the news sidelines that Chavez has overextended on his oil promises, and with the continuing fall in the price, I wonder if some financial troubles will await Venezuela.


User currently offlineCedars747 From Norway, joined Dec 2005, 2721 posts, RR: 19
Reply 12, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 2840 times:

Quoting Zone1 (Reply 1):
Chavez is the biggest attention whore in the world.

I love whores  Wink
Alex!!!



Tengo una pasion por la aviacion !لدي شغف للطيران !I have a passion for aviation !
User currently offlineBushpilot From South Africa, joined Jul 2007, 0 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 2836 times:

Quoting Faustino927 (Reply 7):
It really pisses me off when people from the USA talk like you do. If you like him so much then move to Venezuela.

So anyone who is a dissenter should be forced out of the country? And how can you blame anyone for accepting help from an outside government when our own is unable/unwilling to help thier OWN citizens. Thats like telling the Somalians or wherever not to eat US aide food. I think GWB should have written Chavez a note saying thanks for helping out with little fan fare when Bush only wants to show up when the cameras are rolling and support inept cabinet members. I dont know if you realise the poverty that exsists in rural Alaska, it is third world in some respects. There are few jobs, minimal infastructure and commodities are greatly expensive. You come talk to me when you hunt for your food, haul your own water, pay 4.75 for a gallon of gas, $5 for diesel to keep you warm, this isnt miami pal where not having your pool heated is an inconvenience, if I dont have heat in my house I freeze to death! I struggle every day to pay my fuel bill. The fact that im going to take this donation graciously doesnt make me one bit less American than I was when I was born, 2 weeks ago, or when I die.

Quoting Slider (Reply 8):
So $500 is the price of your soul....heh.

Read above, if I run out of fuel in my tank at night and it is -40 outside, I may not wake up, so yeah you might say it is worth my life.


User currently offlineLuisde8cd From Pitcairn Islands, joined Aug 2004, 2571 posts, RR: 31
Reply 14, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2805 times:

Quoting Bushpilot (Thread starter):
I cant even begin to tell you folks how nice it will be to take delivery of my fuel when it gets here. It is very much needed, and will save me 500 bucks!

Just great! While you will save 500 bucks which you will probably use now to buy a new TV or a new Computer, this fellow Venezuelan citizen will keep draging in Caracas's streets asking for spare change:



I'm sure that woman would appreciate those 500 bucks more than you would ever do.

These children would really love that their rural school could receive at least half of those 500 bucks you will get so that they can get decent textbooks and uniforms:



This single mother would also like to have 500 bucks to feed her children, but apparentely a citizen who lives in the most powerful nation on earth, needs it the most:



And while you enjoy those 100 galons of free heating fuel, I will apply to receive a goverment scholarship and give the money to a homeless-kids caring home which really need the money. Me and 5 other friends who don't appear in the goverment black list (a list of people who signed the petition to have a recall-election against Chavez), will try to get the money so we can give it to people who really need it.

Saludos desde Caracas,
Luis


User currently offlineBushpilot From South Africa, joined Jul 2007, 0 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2771 times:

Quoting Luisde8cd (Reply 14):
Just great! While you will save 500 bucks which you will probably use now to buy a new TV or a new Computer, this fellow Venezuelan citizen will keep draging in Caracas's streets asking for spare change:

Hey please dont bash me, firstly, I will actually use the access money towards gasoline, so I can go out and hunt my food gasonline is costing 4.75 a gallon here now. Though there are few beggars on the streets in the region of Alaska that I live, that is mostly because there are few streets, and if people live outside they will literally freeze to death. If one does not catch the salmon they need, nor hunt the game to eat they will starve, I have given many hundreds of pounds of food to family and friends in need. I am sorry to hear about the poverty that happens down there, please dont think I nor the native people of rural AK dont need the help either. We also in many ways feel left behind by the government and the rest of society. I would love to bring anyone who is interested here to see just what life is like in bush AK. Many many American and western citizens would be appalled by the conditions.


User currently offlineAndesSMF From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2762 times:

Quoting Luisde8cd (Reply 14):



Quoting Bushpilot (Reply 15):

I understand your point, Bushpilot, as you noted what I said in reply #11. But you must also feel Luis real pain in seeing his country being destroyed (oil production has not come up to the level it was before Chavez, so you could just imagine how Venezuela would be suffering if oil prices hadnt skyrocketed).

And unfortunately, there have been plenty of a.netters (who dont know any better) who express nothing but admiration for the man. It is very frustrating.


User currently onlineDLPMMM From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 3589 posts, RR: 10
Reply 17, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 2745 times:

Quoting Aloges (Reply 6):
Quoting Zone1 (Reply 1):
Chavez is the biggest attention whore in the world.

Don't you think there might just be a bit more to it than that?

Nope, I think Zone1 summed it up quite well.

Don't tell me that you believe Chavez has some sort of altruistic motive. If that were so, I think there are much more deserving recipients in Chavez's home country (as exemplified by Luis).


User currently offlineBushpilot From South Africa, joined Jul 2007, 0 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 2735 times:

Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 16):
And unfortunately, there have been plenty of a.netters (who dont know any better) who express nothing but admiration for the man. It is very frustrating.

I certainly understand your point, I have little care for the man, I find him mildly amusing at best, I dont take him serious one bit. I do not like one bit the fact that he probably lives in great luxury and is happy to give out aide to other countries, keep in mind this is mildly familiar to someone who lives among poverty in the US, amid tax cuts for the very wealthy and two very expensive wars, the one in Iraq being totally unjustified while people in our very own country struggle every day, I see no reason we should feel the need to accept foreign aide in this country when the US government hands it out daily, but that safety net is evaporating in this country as well.
Keep in mind that Alaska is also a large oil producer, the biggest in the US. %90 of the state government revenue comes from oil, the state government had its largest budget surplus in history, but yet my community recieved less than half of the pass through money as we had in the past. Meanwhile the people in the urban areas enjoy getting roads built, the governor rides around in a private jet, and thier schools are funded %100. I see and live the inequalities of government every day. I am sorry it happens anywhere on Earth.


User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13517 posts, RR: 62
Reply 19, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 2731 times:
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Quoting Bushpilot (Thread starter):
I cant even begin to tell you folks how nice it will be to take delivery of my fuel when it gets here. It is very much needed, and will save me 500 bucks!

Apparently you can be bought off by foreign leaders for $500. How sad for you.

Quoting Bushpilot (Reply 13):
Quoting Slider (Reply 8):
So $500 is the price of your soul....heh.

Read above, if I run out of fuel in my tank at night and it is -40 outside, I may not wake up, so yeah you might say it is worth my life.

As you already mentioned, it's saving you $500 - which means if not for Chavez, you would have already been prepared to spend that $500 to ensure your continued survival anyway.

And if you weren't prepared to...well, again - how sad for you.



"In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem - government IS the problem." - Ronald Reagan
User currently offlineFDXMECH From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3251 posts, RR: 34
Reply 20, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 2731 times:

Quoting Cedars747 (Reply 12):
I love whores

Let's leave Chavez's ****** out of it.



You're only as good as your last departure.
User currently offlineTravelin man From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3480 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 2713 times:

Quoting Bushpilot (Thread starter):
Hell if OBL himself wanted to fill up my tank I would let him.

I really really hope this was said with tongue firmly planted in cheek. If I so much as saw OBL I'd physically kill him myself. And I am being very serious. Please tell me you wouldn't take free gasoline from Osama Bin Laden.


User currently offlineUAL747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 2706 times:

I'm not a Bushy, but it was funny to see Chavez call Bush a "Devil" when he was wearing a completely red leisure suit. Quite comical.

UAL


User currently offlineBushpilot From South Africa, joined Jul 2007, 0 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 2698 times:

Quoting Travelin man (Reply 21):
I really really hope this was said with tongue firmly planted in cheek. If I so much as saw OBL I'd physically kill him myself. And I am being very serious. Please tell me you wouldn't take free gasoline from Osama Bin Laden.

Sure Id take his gas, then Id call the authorities and collect my reward. Keep in mind we not only take gas from OBL and Chavez every day, we buy it my friend, at high profits to those people. Keep in mind it is Citgo giving the fuel, regardless, with the investments the Bin Laden family has in oil, as well as Chavez, we are paying for that each time at the pump. Just the same as when we buy just about anything from WalMart, we are supporting a Chinese government who doesnt believe in the liberties we enjoy, they take the sweat shop profits and buy US treasury bonds forcing this country more into debt. So dont jump on my back for taking much needed fuel from a guy who you give money to. There are no Citgos in AK, the fuel we use is pumped on the AK north slope, shipped to washington for refinement and shipped back as gas and diesel, an entirey domestic product.


User currently offlineZone1 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 1035 posts, RR: 7
Reply 24, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 2694 times:

Quoting Travelin man (Reply 21):
Please tell me you wouldn't take free gasoline from Osama Bin Laden.

I'd take the gas, douse him with it, and light a match.



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25 AeroWesty : How many gallons of heating oil would the cost of the Alaskan bridge to nowhere buy?
26 EA CO AS : Just an aside - am I the only one seeing the irony in a man who just got a check for over $1100.00 from the State of Alaska Permanent Fund (paid to re
27 Post contains links Thomasphoto60 : As an aside, I was stunned to find out that Noam Chomsky was dead according to Chavez while reciting quotes from one of his books. He might want to br
28 Bushpilot : A few notes about that, firstly I havent gotten it yet, it comes in about a month, and I put mine into an IRA, although there are plenty of people wh
29 CastleIsland : In this capilist society, we are faced with bankers who charge us money to make money for themselves from it, insurance companies who charge exhorbit
30 EA CO AS : I never suggested that you should move. The company I work for has a proud heritage tied intimately to the State of Alaska, and believe me when I tel
31 Bushpilot : Firstly, despite me saying that he is my new good buddy, that I actually think fondly of him, I think it is despicable what he has done to his countr
32 Post contains images EA CO AS : I don't - in fact, I'd think you were nuts if you turned down 100 gallons of free oil. I was taken aback by the fact that this "gift" seemed to sudde
33 ANCFlyer : Interesting how Chavez picks on rural Alaska where with few, very few exceptions I'll wager no one knows the guy is a fuckin' crackpot. You, my frien
34 Scamp : I hate to disillusion you, sparky, but there are people in major American cities begging for change, so don't think your "fellow Venezuelan citizen"
35 Post contains images AsstChiefMark : I wonder if I can get someone to fill my basement with natural gas. Mark
36 L-188 : Did anybody else pick up on the fact that he chose to announce this great offer right before freeze-up? Kind of hard to move a fuel barge up a river w
37 CastleIsland : No desire to respond to the very crux of my message, which speaks to the very nub of societal unrest and party disent these days?
38 Post contains images Luisde8cd : Is that true???? I didn't know that... You are simply too short-minded to understand my post. Nothing more to add here. That's your country's problem
39 L-188 : No we have Frank Murkowski. Sorry Tony Knowles ain't much better.
40 AndesSMF : Is it me, or has the price of oil not gone DOWN in the last several weeks, were some like Chavez wants to keep the price high. Next time you make suc
41 Itsjustme : Jesus ANC, don't you ever come down off that soapbox of yours? Your response to an offer of 100 gallons of heating oil is up to you. But $500 worth o
42 Post contains images ANCFlyer : I'm not sure what you're looking for here my friend . . . since I responded only to Bushpilot - who is, as you surmise, a hell of a stand up guy - an
43 EA CO AS : Sure - here goes: And while you're on the soapbox you forgot to address celebrities and professional athletes who are compensated to the extremes whi
44 BHMNONREV : I think the only thing those rural Alaskans will remember is who Santa Claus was this year... To me the most embarrassing part of this whole mess is
45 Post contains images Faustino927 : Luis I understand you completely. My parents left Cuba 39 years ago to escape communism and we get really angry when we see assholes like Chavez say
46 Slider : HUAH! Not only douse him with it, but pour it down his gullet too and watch OBL and Chavez go up in a blaze of immolated glory. Ask Uncle Ted...maybe
47 CastleIsland : True. It does if the issue here is Chavez being a nutjob, and not Bushpilot taking something from a nutjob. Damn straight. Better doesn't mean good,
48 TNNH : look, take the oil and save your money, but just remember chavez isnt doing this because he cares about you, this is a political ploy to spite your cu
49 EA CO AS : There's a difference between "didn't have more" and "wasn't willing to spend," though - and THAT is what my point was all about there. From his previ
50 Bushpilot : I do know he is a crackpot, I know he is an asshole, but so is my neighbor, and if my neighbor showed up with 100 gals for my tank, Im not going to t
51 Post contains images AeroWesty : So how does this work? Does a Citgo truck come out to your house in the bush and pump in 100 gallons? Do you still buy the rest of your heating oil fr
52 Post contains links Bushpilot : I am not entirely sure, but there will not be citgo trucks in every little backwater village in AK. What is going to happen that I know of is that th
53 AeroWesty : Interesting. So if you wanted to refuse it, it'd still be sitting there in the tanks for you. Gotcha. I only asked because of what you'd said earlier
54 EA CO AS : I disagree. All things considered, it is good. Don't forget, consumers (society) ultimately dictate what salaries the market will bear for different
55 Bushpilot : Theorhetically, I dont like to peak for anyone else, but I know most of the people in town, and I havent heard of a single person who will refuse the
56 AndesSMF : Well, you know I backed your stance from the beginning, but my engineering mind has a couple of questions. What do you power with the diesel? How much
57 Bushpilot : I have a 300 gallon tank, it powers my furnace, and hot water heater. That is the case with every house out here as electric heat is simply way to ex
58 AndesSMF : Interesting, yeah, I didnt realize your infrastructure would be different. Do you also have those radio phones? BTW, is there any problems with diese
59 Bushpilot : Keep in mind just how remote much of AK is, I am 370 miles from the nearest highway of any sort. Although my community has actual paved roads and it
60 ANCFlyer : I guess you missed this part then . . . Entirely different than Bushpilots answer . . . as I live in Anchorage in a Condo. Diesel: My personal vehicl
61 L-188 : The diesel we use in winter will be #2 which does not have as high of wax content as #1 has. I also have been in towns where the #2 diesel that was s
62 Post contains images AndesSMF : Thanks for the info. I keep forgetting how large Alaska really is. (1/3 of Cont. US, right?) Jeez, does it get cold up there? Thanks for the info. I
63 L-188 : I am running about half that. But I I think I could lower that if I can ever finish working on this house. Small correction, Beluga Point uses turbin
64 Post contains images ANCFlyer : Electric Heat + 78 year old Father + He never turns off a light = High electric Bill . . . Seriously, until the cost of Natural Gas went up, and the
65 L-188 : My electric bill has been creeping up over the past couple of years, it has gone from about 20 a month up to about 30 a month. I think most of that i
66 Superfly : Luisde8cd: Oh what ever dude. I've seen children IN MUCH WORSE conditions with my own eyes in Haiti . Those photos you've posted are not much differen
67 Scamp : Then there is no further need for you to respond, is there? The fact that you have a dictator for a leader is quite YOUR problem, isn't it? I can aff
68 Faustino927 : Except that Haiti, Mexico and the Dominican Republic are not run by a communist pig like Chavez. He takes from the poor and gives top the rich.
69 Post contains images Luisde8cd : Hmmm and your point is?, let me guess... It's Dubya's fault that they are poor? Who has said the contrary? Dude, wake up! since when is this thread t
70 L-188 : And I know children in this state who's daily chores include replacing the plastic bag in the honey bucket and taking the old one down to the dump. F
71 Luisde8cd : Exactly.... and what really angers ME is that while he's giving away OUR (me and 25million other Venezuelans) oil for free, that money could've been
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