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Mahmoud Ahmedinejad Respects The American People  
User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Posted (8 years 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2220 times:

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Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, at a meeting with members of the Church of New York, said that the mission of all prophets was to direct man to perfection.
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Concerning slogans such as "Down with the US" raised by Iranians, he said that there was no cause for anger as they are not addressed to the American nation but to the aggressive, unjust, warmongering and bullying US policies.
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According to a report published Thursday by IRNA, the Iranian president stressed that the Iranian nation respects the American people and wish them prosperity, happiness and a good life. In this relation, he referred to the offer of the Iranian nation of help to the American nation when the country was severely devastated by the Katrina storm in its south which the US Administration rejected.
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source: www.albawaba.com/en/news/203538
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User currently offlineMdsh00 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4125 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (8 years 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2205 times:

HA! And this is coming from the government that trained its masses to chant "Death to America!"?

Sorry. I think it would take a lot more than that to convince most Americans that the Iranian government likes the American people.



"Look Lois, the two symbols of the Republican Party: an elephant, and a big fat white guy who is threatened by change."
User currently offlineCedars747 From Norway, joined Dec 2005, 2721 posts, RR: 19
Reply 2, posted (8 years 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2197 times:

Quoting Mdsh00 (Reply 1):
Sorry. I think it would take a lot more than that to convince most Americans that the Iranian government likes the American people.

And vice versa
Alex!!!



Tengo una pasion por la aviacion !لدي شغف للطيران !I have a passion for aviation !
User currently offlineUsnseallt82 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 4891 posts, RR: 52
Reply 3, posted (8 years 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2192 times:

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Thread starter):
Mahmoud Ahmedinejad Respects The American People

History seems to think otherwise...  redflag 








Crye me a river
User currently offlinePiercey From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 2233 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (8 years 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2187 times:

Quoting Usnseallt82 (Reply 3):
History seems to think otherwise...

Although I think this is bs as well, noticed how the thread was Mahmoud Ahmedinejad respects the American people, not the Iranian people respects.



Well I believe it all is coming to an end. Oh well, I guess we are gonna pretend.
User currently offlineBravo45 From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 2165 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (8 years 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2178 times:

Quoting Usnseallt82 (Reply 3):
History seems to think otherwise...

History, if *fully* read will also reveal the supression and manipulation of the Iranian people by Britain and the US, there should be no need to replicate posting pics of the things like the democratic Iranian govt overthrown by the CIA coup etc. Ahmedinejad has no need to train Iranians...


User currently offlineUsnseallt82 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 4891 posts, RR: 52
Reply 6, posted (8 years 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2173 times:

Quoting Piercey (Reply 4):
Although I think this is bs as well, noticed how the thread was Mahmoud Ahmedinejad respects the American people, not the Iranian people respects.

You gotta read the article, Piercey...

Quote:
...the Iranian president stressed that the Iranian nation respects the American people and wish them prosperity, happiness and a good life.

I think that clears it up.

Quoting Bravo45 (Reply 5):
History, if *fully* read will also reveal the supression and manipulation of the Iranian people by Britain and the US

The Iranian people have a history of their own suppression and manipulation.



Crye me a river
User currently offlineBravo45 From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 2165 posts, RR: 11
Reply 7, posted (8 years 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2173 times:

Quoting Usnseallt82 (Reply 6):
The Iranian people have a history of their own suppression and manipulation.

What a way to counter my point.  Yeah sure


User currently offlineAllstarflyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2160 times:

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Thread starter):
the Iranian president stressed that the Iranian nation respects the American people and wish them prosperity, happiness and a good life.

Didn't he also more or less call for the destruction of Israel? Aren't they Jews? Are not a good number of Americans Jews also? I wonder if he wishes them happiness and prosperity.

-R


User currently offlineMandala499 From Indonesia, joined Aug 2001, 6895 posts, RR: 76
Reply 9, posted (8 years 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2145 times:

Iran hates the US govt but not the US people.
Reading a.net, it seems that the US hates both the Iranian govt. AND the Iranian people...

But for Ahmedinejad to say what he said, I really wonder what made him say that? I know, HE READ A.NET NON_AV threads! Hehehehe

Mandala499



When losing situational awareness, pray Cumulus Granitus isn't nearby !
User currently offlineMdsh00 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4125 posts, RR: 8
Reply 10, posted (8 years 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2141 times:

Quoting Cedars747 (Reply 2):
And vice versa
Alex!!!

huh?



"Look Lois, the two symbols of the Republican Party: an elephant, and a big fat white guy who is threatened by change."
User currently offlineGilligan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (8 years 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2135 times:

Hitler respected the American people, at least those of Aryan ancestory, so big deal.

User currently offlineDougloid From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (8 years 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2123 times:

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Thread starter):
Concerning slogans such as "Down with the US" raised by Iranians, he said that there was no cause for anger as they are not addressed to the American nation but to the aggressive, unjust, warmongering and bullying US policies.
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According to a report published Thursday by IRNA, the Iranian president stressed that the Iranian nation respects the American people and wish them prosperity, happiness and a good life. In this relation, he referred to the offer of the Iranian nation of help to the American nation when the country was severely devastated by the Katrina storm in its south which the US Administration rejected.

How does 'death to america' fit into that? I do not think the Iranian man in the street is making any fine distinctions-least of all Mr. Ahmadinejad who claims he wasn't in on the sacking of the embassy and the kidnaping of a good number of Americans...despite hte well publicized picture

On the other hand, the Canadians pitched in and got a few of our folks out under the noses of the mullahs and their thugs...thanks, eh?


User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 13, posted (8 years 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2037 times:

Quoting Usnseallt82 (Reply 3):
Mahmoud Ahmedinejad Respects The American People
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History seems to think otherwise...

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HISTORY indeed ! This was more than 280 months ago. Some 65% of the Iranians are less than 30 years old, and therefore in those times were small children at best.

Quoting Allstarflyer (Reply 8):
call for the destruction of Israel?

is Israel part of the USA ?  confused 

Quoting Allstarflyer (Reply 8):
ren't they Jews? Are not a good number of Americans Jews also?

he urged the Israelis to get relocated to Europe or America to establish their "State of Israel" there  duck 

Quoting Allstarflyer (Reply 8):
I wonder if he wishes them happiness and prosperity.

of course, just as above


User currently offlineCedars747 From Norway, joined Dec 2005, 2721 posts, RR: 19
Reply 14, posted (8 years 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2008 times:

Quoting Mdsh00 (Reply 10):
huh?

Sorry,i think it would take a lot more than that to convince most Iranians that the American government likes the Iranian people
Alex!!!



Tengo una pasion por la aviacion !لدي شغف للطيران !I have a passion for aviation !
User currently offlineSlider From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6818 posts, RR: 34
Reply 15, posted (8 years 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 1971 times:

I would respectfully but firmly state without equivocation that if anyone believes for a nanosecond that Ahmadinejad has any scintilla of respect for the American people that they are brainless.

This is all a well crafted PR machine. A ploy. How can everyone not see how transparent this is?

It's a divide and conquer tactic as old as propaganda itself.

How can a man who spews vitriolic hatred of America, has aided, abetted, sponsored, funded and enabled terrorists, anti-American outfits and has a formal stance against the USA NOT hate Americans?

We ARE America. All of us Americans. There is no America without the Americans who make it the country it is. It is insulting to everyone's intelligence that people would listen to this whackjob.


User currently offlineCairo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (8 years 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 1959 times:

Quoting Slider (Reply 15):
How can a man who spews vitriolic hatred of America, has aided, abetted, sponsored, funded and enabled terrorists, anti-American outfits and has a formal stance against the USA NOT hate Americans?

Do you have children? If so, perhaps you've noticed that there are days when you virtually hate everything they do. Nevertheless, you still love them. Likewise, you can like a people and hate their government's policies. Among people who live overseas and who are smart enough to tell the difference, what America does in the Middle East does not represent the American people.

Get over yourself - it isn't AMERICANS or WHAT AMERICA IS that people are angry about, although it no doubt makes you want to masturbate to think the world is jealous of America. IT IS WHAT AMERICA DOES IN THE MIDDLE EAST that angers people and causes hate.*

Only American policy in the Middle East has generated terrorism, nothing else.

If you don't want terrorism, change ME policy and stop killing Arabs/Muslims. The rest of the world, and several prominent Americans, see the American people as perfectly acceptable, but governed by a regime bought and paid for by outside interests.**

US Policies, like supporting the murderous Shah of Iran and thwarting Iranian democracy, is what causes anti-US sentiment in Iran and elsewhere.

Cairo

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http://www.csmonitor.com/2004/1129/dailyUpdate.html

**
http://ksgnotes1.harvard.edu/Research/wpaper.nsf/rwp/RWP06-011
http://www.washington-report.org/html/aipac.htm


User currently offlineMandala499 From Indonesia, joined Aug 2001, 6895 posts, RR: 76
Reply 17, posted (8 years 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 1958 times:

I wish Khatami was still the Iranian president... *sigh*
While most of the problem in Islamic countries is about Islamofascism, Iran I think has gone totally the other way to Islamo-neo-radical socialism... Somehow Ahmedinejad gives me that impression... "The revolution of the Engineers" makes me worry about the nuclear agenda... I know most of Iran wants the nukes for civilian purposes, but I don't trust the political elite on this matter.

Mandala499



When losing situational awareness, pray Cumulus Granitus isn't nearby !
User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (8 years 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 1958 times:

Quoting Mandala499 (Reply 9):
Iran hates the US govt but not the US people.

I will believe that if Iranians stop saying "Death To America" and changes it to "Death to American Government" or "Death to American Policy". Remember our government was founded "By the People, Of the People and For the People". America IS the People of America. "Death to America" is quite clearly a death threat to we, the people of the USA.

If you really believe that Ahmedinnerjacket is not talking out of his ass, I hope you learn something of this thread. The Muslim world seems to think that when they have been saying "death to America", we shouldn't take it personally. Damn right we take it personally.

When we see the overreaction on behalf of muslims over the Danish Cartoons or the Pope's comments, we can see very clearly that Ahmedinnerjacket's words are not worth the hot air he used to breath them.

Grow up, Muslim world! If you don't really want to kill us, stop saying that you want us to die. Is that so difficult a concept to grasp???

Edit: Typo

[Edited 2006-09-22 16:37:09]

User currently offlineSlider From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6818 posts, RR: 34
Reply 19, posted (8 years 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 1958 times:

Quoting Cairo (Reply 16):
Only American policy in the Middle East has generated terrorism, nothing else.

Ah, this old gem. Yes, it's our fault, we're the Great Satan, we're the cause of all evil in the world, blah, blah, blah....


 yawn 


User currently offlineTNNH From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 219 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (8 years 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 1933 times:

Quoting Slider (Reply 15):
I would respectfully but firmly state without equivocation that if anyone believes for a nanosecond that Ahmadinejad has any scintilla of respect for the American people that they are brainless.

100% true. this guy is so full of shit it stinks.


User currently offlineMandala499 From Indonesia, joined Aug 2001, 6895 posts, RR: 76
Reply 21, posted (8 years 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 1923 times:

LOL, I won't go as far as what Cairo said, but definitely there have been some screwups and perhaps with hindsight, bad decisions during the cold war. I think the phrase to use is that the US set up many tin-pot dictatorships.

1. Supporting the Shah of Iran... whose regime pushed the people of Iran towards radicalism, for the sake of having a stable ally as a buffer between Russia and the ME oil. Result... for the greater part of the last 30 yrs, Iran has been anti-America, and only seemingly recently has it reopenened some previously closed links with the US (eg. tourism).

2. Supporting Saddam Hussein, to cover for their blunder on Iran... Again, it yielded a cruel dictator and ended up with the US having to depose him in an invasion... Iraq is now a hot issue amongs the less moderate.

3. Support for Zia-ul-Haq (and now for Musharraf?), again to extend the cover of the buffer between USSR and the gulf... again, deposing a socialist government, but ended up as an absolutist, and started turning Pakistan into more of a radical Islamic populace with his policies.

4. Support for Suharto, to ensure socialism and communism never returned to Indonesia. Sukarno's radical policies largely left alone the issue of religion, and inter-religion relations were good, and religious violence was large an economic issue (eg: the "land reform act" proposed by the communists). Suharto's regime brought about development which reached the people initially, this resulted in religion being a non-issue, however towards the end of his regime, religious leaders supported by "discontented" through inequality in development bit back. The middle class who in the past dismissed religious appearance and even moderate conservatism in the past joined the poor as they felt more left behind as new wealth no longer goes downstream but remained in the elite (and Modern Radicals formed behind the vice president BJ Habibie). Afterwards it was found that there have been allegations of killings of Islamic pacifists in the 70s accused of sheltering communists, Islamic Socialist movements, and the right wing Islamofascist minority. This resulted in a mix-match in the end of the 90s. And many saw Suharto's regime and its actions against certain sections of the Muslims as US sanctioned actions.

5. Support of the Mujahideen, was probably the largest blunder of the "Support whoever is fighting your enemy" ideology. In this case, the abandonment of the US support for the Afghanistan and the ensuing civil strife led to Afghanistan being the harbour for the discontent due to the US govt's perceived sudden change in attitude that "the Mujahideen never existed in the cold war"... That, and added with Pakistan's radicalisation thanks to Zia's policies = recipee for disaster.

And, is the US doing it again? The enemy is now the Islamofascists, the ultimate symbol being OBL and AlQaeda... So, now, the US is supporting yet another Pakistani dictator with "moderate" Islamic views... Dunno how this will turn out, but it was already too late when the Zia imposed the Islamization policy.

Sorry if this doesn't make sense... I feel like I'm talking rubbish again! Just letting out steam guys!

When it's govt. vs. govt. we've seen it before, but the current problem seemingly edging towards people vs people, citizens vs citizens, and the extreme of both sides trying to make this a civilisation vs civilisation, I'm getting worried...

Mandala499



When losing situational awareness, pray Cumulus Granitus isn't nearby !
User currently offlineCairo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (8 years 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 1916 times:

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 18):
When we see the overreaction on behalf of muslims over the Danish Cartoons or the Pope's comments, we can see very clearly that Ahmedinnerjacket's words are not worth the hot air he used to breath them.

Grow up, Muslim world! If you don't really want to kill us, stop saying that you want us to die. Is that so difficult a concept to grasp???

Agreed, the reaction to cartoons and the Pope's comments were an overreaction by your standards. Now, are you capable of addressing American overreactions?

Like, for instance, the overreaction (aka a full scale invasion) to the false "intelligence" indicating Saddam had WMD? What is the bigger over-reaction, demonstrating in the streets of Tehran by Iranians, or invading a country 7000 miles away from you that is no threat to you?

Quoting Slider (Reply 19):
Ah, this old gem. Yes, it's our fault, we're the Great Satan, we're the cause of all evil in the world, blah, blah, blah....

As in the life of an individual who accepts the bad things in his life are mostly his own fault - most of the bad things that happen bad in the national life of America or any nation is because of what that nation itself has done. No one is picking America randomly off the map. Policies that kill Muslims get you Muslims killing Americans* - it is really quite simple.

Get out of America and come to the ME and see for yourself.

Cairo

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http://www.csmonitor.com/2001/0927/p1s1-wogi.html


User currently offlineSlamClick From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 10062 posts, RR: 68
Reply 23, posted (8 years 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 1912 times:

Quoting Cairo (Reply 16):
Do you have children? If so, perhaps you've noticed that there are days when you virtually hate everything they do. Nevertheless, you still love them.

What would a culture that straps explosive vests on their children know about love of children? Is it done to make a better world? How can you believe that? If the beheaders in Iraq, the suicide bombers in Palestine, the hijackers around the world win this struggle the world they create will be exactly like the methods they use to create it - all about murder and rule by terror. It can't work any other way no matter how badly Europe wants to believe it.

Quoting Cairo (Reply 16):
it isn't AMERICANS or WHAT AMERICA IS that people are angry about

I have no doubt that this is true. I've never bought the "they are jealous of us" reasoning. Of course someone with no TV sees one in a shop window and it is playing reruns of "Dallas" and they might think that Americans are really wealthy, but I don't think that momentary envy would spark anything with the committment level that the terrorist movement has.

I also think that our freedom to criticise and defy church leaders is an idea that does frighten some imams in your part of the world. Not enough maybe to make them strap on the explosives, buy maybe enough for them to encourage others to do so.

No, I believe this next bit is true.

Quoting Cairo (Reply 16):
IT IS WHAT AMERICA DOES IN THE MIDDLE EAST that angers people and causes hate.*

Chief among the things "America does in the Middle east" is guarantee the survival of Israel.

And that is the issue. It may not be the entire list, but it is the top 100 items on the list.



Happiness is not seeing another trite Ste. Maarten photo all week long.
User currently offlineWindshear From Denmark, joined Mar 2000, 2330 posts, RR: 11
Reply 24, posted (8 years 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 1870 times:

Yes well, he also declare one day, that he wants to negotiate his Uranium enrichement program... Then the next he announces that Iran's enrichment program will continue no matter what, because it is the right of Iran.

He is dubious and he is only stalling for time, it is so obvious, I think we all know Middle Eastern war tactics by now, this is so so obvious!

Land for peace, was an effort made by the UK to avoid a conflict with Nazi Germany before WWII. This was the sole result of the total capitulation and occupation of Czechoslovakia... All of this was just to avoid another terrible war in Europe.

I think it is time people woke up, especially in Europe...

Boaz.



"If you believe breaking is possible, believe in fixing also"-Rebbe Nachman
25 Arsenal@LHR : There are 65 million Iranians, if you think all of them walk out onto the streets to shout "Death to America", then you need to change your source of
26 Cairo : A stereotype given to you by those who seek agressive US policies in the Middle East, eg, the Neocons and their Israeli backers. Good, you have abili
27 Windshear : Yes my Israeli cousin are in contact with ONE Iranian who is seeing the madness his country is doing... But he is argueing with his friends, family a
28 Post contains images Dougloid : How about Mr. Atta and his unfortunate penchant for flying fully loaded airplanes into occupied structures? I mean, what the hell did he expect? Oh..
29 Cfalk : I never said ALL of them do. If you look at our extemists, like the KKK, those can be readily ignored. Whenever they have a demonstration, maybe a do
30 ME AVN FAN : his father is a highly respected retired lawyer, at least one of the sisters is a hospital doctor. The family DOES behave civilized. His plans for th
31 SlamClick : "Stereotype" be damned. IT DOES HAPPEN. And it cannot be ignored even by throwing around words like "neocon" (which is a stereotype) Western culture
32 Post contains images Allstarflyer : Is Israel an ally of America? Wanna tap dance around the original question some more?    How splendid. Maybe Ahmedinejad, in all his sovereignty  
33 Post contains images MaverickM11 : That's nice. I still wouldn't miss him if one of his close Hizbullah friends detonated early in his presence.
34 Falcon84 : And where do you get that? I have nothing against most of the Iranian people. To be sure there are plenty of them who buy the hatful rhetoric of thei
35 ME AVN FAN : there is no argument. I simply quoted what he stated I gave the source I did NOT ask anybody to believe him, as I do NOT have much trust and belief i
36 Falcon84 : Therein lies the problem: there are lots who support the terrorists-and their sponsors, such as your shining light in the form of Syria, MAF. You're
37 ME AVN FAN : well, you just regard all political movements with somewhat extreme views as "terrorists".
38 Post contains links Allstarflyer : You gave this: http://www.albawaba.com/en/news/203538 I, in turn, give you this . . Just type Ahmadinejad into Google and these shows up on the first
39 Dougloid : A curious man was Mohammed Atta and a disgrace to his family.. I understood his masters' thesis was rather a good one in the field. It just goes to s
40 ME AVN FAN : an interesting discrepancy. Looks as if he has harsh and soft positions in the pocket, to be used up on occasion both positions are a sham, as it is
41 Falcon84 : No. I regard those who actively support, fund, foement and participate in acts of violence against others as terrorists-you know, like Hamas, Hezboll
42 Allstarflyer : Forgive me, I did not ascertain that from your previous remarks. Thanks for the clarification. -R
43 ME AVN FAN : I never lauded el-Qaeda. And I heavily DISlike Hizbullah and Hamas. Neither Iran nor Syria ever supported el-Qaeda.
44 Post contains links Cairo : Atta and the rest were all Saudis. Why America did not take this as an act of war either perpetrated or condoned or tacitly allowed by the Saudis is
45 ME AVN FAN : Not really. Mohammed el-Amir el-Atta was Egyptian, Marwan al-Shehhi was an Emirati from Abu Dhabi and Ziad Jarrah was a Lebanese from Beirut. And one
46 NWA742 : Bull-freaking shit he does. -NWA742
47 Marco : The whole scene reminded me of Team America...quite pathetic!
48 ME AVN FAN : Shifting from one extreme to the other. -
49 Traindriver : Some little 5 foot 4 inch dwarf respects us. Whoopee fu..ing doo.
50 NWA742 : Hardly. I call bullshit whenever I see it. Anyone who believes that moron is without a doubt, stupid. -NWA742
51 Dougloid : I do not have anything in common with George Bush, in fact, I've never met the man or voted for him, or belong to the same party and I'm not an absol
52 ME AVN FAN : to believe him is absolutely off-topic. And in fact impossible, as the man tends to contradict himself within a month. I however referred to his stat
53 Cfalk : Not strange. Hitler was also threatening one moment, and conciliatory the next (anyone remember the "Outstretched Hand Of Peace" in late 1939?) Ahmda
54 Post contains images Gkirk : What a load of crap It's obvious if you open your eyes.
55 ME AVN FAN : he was voted into office as the alternative to corrupt Hodja-t-al-Islam Rafsanjani - - "obvious" it may be, but not proven
56 Mandala499 : Falcon, I only said it SEEMED... not more... Anyways, as to those chanting "Death to America", I won't be surprised if 75% of them were forced to do s
57 Post contains links ME AVN FAN : he according to www.cathnews.com was reconicliatory in Caracas : - """ At a press conference held at the end of a visit to Venezuela, Iranian Preside
58 Post contains images Windshear : Boaz.
59 ME AVN FAN : I don't know anybody who believes him. BUT, if we do NOT believe him when he talks "reconciliatory" rubbish, why then should anybody believe him when
60 Domokun : Problem is people are influenced by their government and vise-versa. There is a feedback effect where the two will mirror each other. The same happen
61 Windshear : You misunderstand one important factor, I hate him for his views and intentions, what he says from time to time can differ, but his main goal and vie
62 ME AVN FAN : up to you. You at least say that you are against his basic positions. While many in the West have taken his statements as something serious when aggr
63 Post contains images Marco : he was voted into office as the alternative to corrupt Hodja-t-al-Islam Rafsanjani And what an alternative he was Anyway the whole voting process in I
64 ME AVN FAN : Absolutely awful. The "choice" they had was rather LIMITED. And their vote for Ahmedinejad clearly was a vote AGAINST Rafsanjani.
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