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Anousheh Ansari Told To Remove The Iranian Flag  
User currently offlineBravo45 From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 2165 posts, RR: 11
Posted (8 years 2 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 4045 times:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/space_soyuz_dc

She has been told, however, to remove an Iranian flag from her spacesuit and, at the insistence of the Russian and U.S. governments, promise that there will be no political messages during her trip.

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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26714 posts, RR: 75
Reply 1, posted (8 years 2 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 3982 times:

Ok, so she spends $20 million on this and doesn't get to make a symbolic gesture recognizing her place of birth? Stupid.


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User currently offlineSlamClick From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 10062 posts, RR: 68
Reply 2, posted (8 years 2 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 3965 times:

Well, there is just not enough information here to make any kind of judgement.

I understand that she was born in Iran and lived there until 1984. I also assume that she paid for the trip with money she earned while living in the US and from the economic opportunities she enjoyed here - that she would not have had in Iran.

What I don't get is exactly why, at this point in world history, a US citizen would choose to honor Iran over the country that gave them so much opportunity.

It seems possible that she has fallen in love with Ahmadinejad like so many liberals have because he is not George W. Bush and for no other reason. He may be a tyrant, a despot, a firebrand, an ignorant savage but at least he isn't Bush.



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User currently offlineJetsGo From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 3086 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (8 years 2 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 3958 times:

Isn't Russia selling Iran all sorts of goodies? Whats their beef?

Frankly I dont see the problem. If she was born there and just wants to have pride, so be it. If she is a terrorist supporter, or a supporter of that crack head of a leader, then I have a problem.


Chris



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User currently offlineTedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (8 years 2 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 3950 times:

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 2):
What I don't get is exactly why, at this point in world history, a US citizen would choose to honor Iran over the country that gave them so much opportunity.

Because we have forgotten to 'make' our converted citizens realize to what country they have sworn allegiance to.
One of the things that made me throw up in my mouth when I lived in Miami was the majority residents allegiance to the Cuban flag. It was sad and disgusting.

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 2):
He may be a tyrant, a despot, a firebrand, an ignorant savage but at least he isn't Bush.

You know, now that you put it this way, I do kind of like him better then Bush. I'm not shopping for promise rings, but he's not Ivan the terrible... YET..


User currently offlineCedars747 From Norway, joined Dec 2005, 2721 posts, RR: 19
Reply 5, posted (8 years 2 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 3931 times:

Quoting Bravo45 (Thread starter):
Anousheh Ansari Told To Remove The Iranian Flag

A DEMOCRATIC PROCEDURE  Yeah sure
Alex!!!



Tengo una pasion por la aviacion !لدي شغف للطيران !I have a passion for aviation !
User currently offlineSlamClick From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 10062 posts, RR: 68
Reply 6, posted (8 years 2 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 3929 times:

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 4):
Because we have forgotten to 'make' our converted citizens realize to what country they have sworn allegiance to.
One of the things that made me throw up in my mouth when I lived in Miami was the majority residents allegiance to the Cuban flag. It was sad and disgusting.

Well, if I had a bumper sticker on my car it would say:

IF THE PLACE YOU CAME FROM DOESN'T SUCK
GO HOME!


I too am offended by people who seem to have forgotten WHY they came here.

• Californians who fled that state with their businesses that could no longer operate there, come here and then vote their liberal, socialist California agenda here in a traditionally conservative state. Okay if you want to come here but why do you want to bring the attitudes that forced you to flee in the first place?

• Mexicans and other Latins who come here for economic opportunity but work very hard to turn their communities here into whatever salsipuedes they fled down there. Hint: No matter how little money I had at any point in my life I did not throw trash in my own yard. It is not poverty it is piggishness.

• Anyone who flees tyranny in some other country, comes here and gets rich because their work habits once needed for bare survival will, in this country, allow them to prosper - then finds fault with the system that raised them out of the gutter.

IF that is the case with this Cosmonette then may she burn up on re-entry. If it is not her motivation I would like to know more.



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User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 7, posted (8 years 2 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 3903 times:

Quoting Bravo45 (Thread starter):
to remove an Iranian flag from her spacesuit and, at the insistence of the Russian and U.S. governments

a childish, silly and stupid demand. The Iranian flag is not a negative thing but simply the flag of that country.

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 6):
I too am offended by people who seem to have forgotten WHY they came here.

why ... came ? NOT because they DISliked their country, but rather because they disliked their government. The flag is the flag of the country. So that there is absolutely NO reason for you to feel offended.


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26714 posts, RR: 75
Reply 8, posted (8 years 2 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 3903 times:

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 2):
I also assume that she paid for the trip with money she earned while living in the US and from the economic opportunities she enjoyed here - that she would not have had in Iran.

What do you know about economic opportunity in Iran?



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User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (8 years 2 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 3899 times:

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 6):

IF THE PLACE YOU CAME FROM DOESN'T SUCK
GO HOME!

Say goodbye to Boeing making any half-decent aircraft in the next 50 years then.


User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21495 posts, RR: 53
Reply 10, posted (8 years 2 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 3899 times:

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 2):
What I don't get is exactly why, at this point in world history, a US citizen would choose to honor Iran over the country that gave them so much opportunity.

She doesn't. She is (or was) wearing the iranian flag on one arm and the american one on the other.

Perfectly reasonable in my book. One's country of birth and youth will always have a place in one's heart, as will the new home country.

Come on, rabid xenophoby is so unbecoming...! Big grin


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26714 posts, RR: 75
Reply 11, posted (8 years 2 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 3885 times:

Quoting Klaus (Reply 10):
Come on, rabid xenophoby is so unbecoming...!

Unfortunately, he thinks it is quite stylish



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User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21495 posts, RR: 53
Reply 12, posted (8 years 2 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 3871 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 11):
Unfortunately, he thinks it is quite stylish

Well, yeah - some animals perfume themselves with rotting carcasses, but it tends to make you rather lonely in human company...  mischievous 


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26714 posts, RR: 75
Reply 13, posted (8 years 2 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 3856 times:

Quoting Klaus (Reply 12):
Well, yeah - some animals perfume themselves with rotting carcasses, but it tends to make you rather lonely in human company...

 rotfl  rotfl  rotfl  rotfl 



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User currently offlineTedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (8 years 2 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 3851 times:

Quoting Klaus (Reply 10):
Come on, rabid xenophoby is so unbecoming...!

It's one thing to not to want to allow others into your country, it's another thing to be disgusted by their behaviour when they arrive.


User currently offlineDrDeke From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 830 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (8 years 2 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 3851 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 11):
Unfortunately, he thinks it is quite stylish

Unfortunately, it seems to be becoming quite stylish here in the Unted States. Disgusting.

-DrDeke



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User currently offlineDL021 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 11447 posts, RR: 75
Reply 16, posted (8 years 2 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 3846 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 1):
Ok, so she spends $20 million on this and doesn't get to make a symbolic gesture recognizing her place of birth? Stupid.

I agree.

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 2):
It seems possible that she has fallen in love with Ahmadinejad like so many liberals have because he is not George W. Bush and for no other reason.

I don't think that her sympathies in any way really lay with the ruling party in Iran, or the mullahs that forced her family out.

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 4):
You know, now that you put it this way, I do kind of like him better then Bush.

then you're an idiot, Ted. and I don't think you're really an idiot, so tell me why...for God's sake...you make a comment like that. The guy represents a regime of radical fundamentalist mullahs who subjugate democracy, women and anyone who doesn't follow their line. They have to play up this nuclear thing since it's the only issue they seem to be able to strike a chord with in their own people, who are growing more and more restless, and he in particular has been threatening Jews and actively denying the Holocaust by sponsoring BS propaganda. Seriously, you can't say he's better than President Bush no matter how much you dislike the current President.

Quoting N1120A (Reply 8):
What do you know about economic opportunity in Iran?

They are certainly not what they could be for all citizens if they had a truly democratic government that did not codify the discrimination against women and minorities through legislative oversight by the committee of mullahs representing or dominating the Ayatollah.



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User currently offlineTNNH From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 219 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (8 years 2 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 3836 times:

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 2):
What I don't get is exactly why, at this point in world history, a US citizen would choose to honor Iran over the country that gave them so much opportunity.

dude, we are on the same page!


User currently offlineSlamClick From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 10062 posts, RR: 68
Reply 18, posted (8 years 2 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 3826 times:

Quoting 777236ER (Reply 9):
Say goodbye to Boeing making any half-decent aircraft in the next 50 years then.

Sorry, I don't understand this comment at all. Could you explain?



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User currently offlineSlamClick From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 10062 posts, RR: 68
Reply 19, posted (8 years 2 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 3821 times:

Quoting JetsGo (Reply 3):
Isn't Russia selling Iran all sorts of goodies? Whats their beef?

I suspect they were just complying with a request from the current US administration.



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User currently offlineTNNH From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 219 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (8 years 2 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 3816 times:

Quoting Klaus (Reply 10):
One's country of birth and youth will always have a place in one's heart, as will the new home country

I'm all for that, we cobbled this thing, our country, together by borrowing, plagerizing, importing or rejecting things from whence almost all of us came. It is our strength and we are really young enough to have the human desire to place ourselves in the long string of history. So for good and for ill, we use the hyphen. "Irish guy walks into a bar..., Jewish American Princess makes reservations for dinner..." You know them all, we eat the foods of the original cultures from which we sprang and celebrate or lament the things that brought us here.

And hopefully we rejoice at the good fortune that gives us the part of the identity that comes to the right of that hyphen. No need to be a cultural jingoist or a "rabid xenophobe". however, being a good American involves a significant contract with each other and the place we call home.


User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (8 years 2 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 3811 times:

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 19):

Sorry, I don't understand this comment at all. Could you explain?

This isn't the 50s or 60s. Compare the number of decent engineering graduates out of American universities with the numbers of engineers that Boeing needs. If we took your comments to heart, Boeing would soon start churning out crap.


User currently offlineTedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (8 years 2 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 3798 times:

Quoting DL021 (Reply 16):
you make a comment like that.

To aggrivate

Quoting SlamClick (Reply 6):
.



Quoting DL021 (Reply 16):
you're an idiot, Ted.

I have never claimed otherwise....

/sarcasm


User currently offlineSlamClick From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 10062 posts, RR: 68
Reply 23, posted (8 years 2 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 3789 times:

Quoting Klaus (Reply 10):
She doesn't. She is (or was) wearing the iranian flag on one arm and the american one on the other

The linked article doesn't say anything about a US flag. Do you have a link for that bit of data? Anyway no one is forcing her to wear the US flag. If there was a problem I'd have just removed both of them.

There are some really obtuse members here who would deny or pretend that there is no political statement inherent in the choice of flags. In political statements, timing can be very important. Take, for example the proposed monument in Canada to the US draft dodgers who fled to Canada rather than serve in Vietnam*. I have long had a measure of respect for these individuals despite having gone to Vietnam voluntarily, myself. It cannot be easy to leave one's own country, to leave behind family and friends.

There were whole decades (80s and 90s) when Canada could have quietly erected such a monument and caused very little stir. They could have done this if the purpose of the monument actually was to honor their new citizens. The protest would mostly have been from my peers for whom "veteran" is their religion and race. The rest of us would have had our little say and moved on. But Canada had discussions about building this monument that were OBVIOUSLY tied to protest of the US invasion of Iraq. That made it a political statement separate from, or in addition to the point of the monument itself.

Flying the flag of Iraq (or Venzuela) at this moment in history is a political statement. Maybe a month from now, if we have an agreement with Iran regarding our current issues it won't be, but just now it is. I personally want to know more about her motivation in wearing it. If it is nothing more than to honor the place of her birth that is one thing. If she surfaces anywhere else in the near future with anti-US or anti-Bush, or anti-Iraq war, or anti-Afghanistan war statements that will tell us something else. This is not to say that such statement are not her democratic right to make, it just makes the position about the flag only being to honor her birthplace highly suspect. The article DID make mention of concerns that she would make political statements - something a couple of posts above ignored.

* * *


It is interesting that the same people who defend her desire to display the flag of Iran because it represents the nation - not the current regime also defend burning the US flag in other parts of the world because it is protest of the current (Bush) administration and NOT the nation they are protesting.

* Or hang around long enough on student deferments for the war would end and they could become President, or Vice President.


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User currently offlineWSOY From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (8 years 2 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3761 times:

Damnest, I say kick her out of the rocket!

25 Post contains links and images Klaus : Such as the irish with their inexcusably un-american riots on St. Patrick's day every year...? Here you go: Training on ISS Simulator on Flickr - Pho
26 Falcon84 : And then, you go make your own judgements in your thread, Slamclick. Just because she live here now, doesn't mean she can't love her people and her l
27 Post contains links and images Klaus : That was exactly what she intended to do! She left no doubt about it in an interview I watched on the news. See the picture here: Training on ISS Sim
28 ME AVN FAN : The MOST interesting point about the flag she is wearing is that she uses the PRE-1979 Iran-flag of Imperial Iran ! The post-1979 one has the IRI ins
29 Allstarflyer : This makes the most sense. I often get the impression that Iran is a hole for anti-American sentimentality, but, I also know I don't much about the p
30 AerospaceFan : I do not support the display of national flags of origin on spacecraft or spacesuits; I support only the display of flags of legal nationality.
31 DL021 : one more reason why I like you............. that and you put your money where your mouth is......
32 SlamClick : The thread starter only put up one link - WITH NO MENTION of a US flag. Blame him. Besides I said I wanted more information. I said I wanted to know
33 OlegShv : I highly doubt that Russians (or any other participating country) have to comply with any political requests made by any of the partners. Operation o
34 SlamClick : Before you wrote did you read or ...or do you suddenly not believe that is true. How about I wear an American flag around Beirut, Tehran, Cairo, even
35 Klaus : No - but in related topics you've always been quick to judge along assumed ideological lines rather than acknowledging more complicated realities, as
36 SlamClick : That is an extremely subjective assessment of my words. I said there was not enough information in the very first post. It turns out that the very pe
37 SlamClick : Ahh, stereotyping! Well sir, welcome to the club. We meet every day on planet Earth. I will freely admit to some prejudices. Problem is with prejudic
38 Post contains images Bravo45 : I agree and that is exactly what she intended to do. It was ALL OVER THE NEWS!!! I thought the people on this site should have been a little more awa
39 Klaus : Wishing someone a violent death just for not agreeing with your view of the country you both share is disgusting and an example of why you tend to ge
40 SlamClick : Oh it is OUR fault? Personally I think you were deliberately flame-baiting.
41 Post contains images Bravo45 : Lets not forget she is a paid customer, NOT a member of the crew. I missed that until now. May I suggest you read a little about her BEFORE reply to
42 Klaus : Indeed. There was sustained and prominent reporting even here (with her not being related to Germany at all) and any major news site has plenty of in
43 Bravo45 : For commenting on something you don't really know all about... YES!! I hope you know that the X-Prize was, and if you don't: Sorry its not my fault.
44 SlamClick : I'm not so sure it really deserves to be called jingoism. I've criticised my own country or its leaders a hundred times here. The important thing for
45 Bravo45 : Reading the thread, you did give that impression. But its not like this is not newsworthy, she is the FIRST woman space tourist and maybe in the top
46 Klaus : And they (hopefully) accepted that violence could not be the response to political dissent. Consistently sticking to principles like that for over tw
47 AerospaceFan : I'd like to know if there was any other astronaut (or cosmonaut) who has ever asked to put the flag of his ethnic origin, rather than his legal nation
48 ME AVN FAN : A) why should the Iranian flag be a statement against the USA ? B) THE flag she had, if of any political relevance, was a political statement against
49 Post contains links AerospaceFan : It doesn't matter, really. I don't think that flags of ethnic origins should fly on spacecraft, if they fly any national flags at all. It doesn't mak
50 Bravo45 : Actually that is so true. Before I learned about this episode, I was wondering if the Iranian govt would be forced to make a statement regarding this
51 ME AVN FAN : I don't think that flags of either ethnic origins or legal citizenship should fly on a multinational spacecraft. Except of course if they are part of
52 Post contains images AerospaceFan : That's a fair point. I don't agree with it, necessarily, but it's fair. My preference is that if a country funds, builds, or supports a mission, they
53 SlamClick : Item: Item: Item: And no mention that it was NOT the current flag of Iran until But we learn here: ...that the original flame-baiter knew it all along
54 ME AVN FAN : I only saw it with surprise when opening that link. I had only got it vaguely in the news and did not care much. But when opening the link was "perpl
55 SlamClick : Well, you have me beat. In my typical American isolation I didn't recognize the difference between that and the current flag. To address your questio
56 ME AVN FAN : well, for me, the 2/two "current presidents" (Iran/USA) are almost the same, just in reciproke roles, but the same "size/caliber" while I see the use
57 N1120A : Quite possibly.
58 Luv2fly : As a woman in Iran I think her opportunities were limited at best. And if there were so plentiful why did she come here?
59 N1120A : Being a woman in Iran is not like being one in Saudi Arabia. Women are allowed full education, jobs in all sectors, business ownership... Um, the Ame
60 Luv2fly : Oh I see, she wants her cake and eat it to. Why she had so much promise in Iran, some opportunity and such according to you?
61 ME AVN FAN : she would have had business opportunities, but she most presumably was out for more personal freedom, and presumably was NOT really in agreement with
62 SlamClick : Okay, name five female Iranian billionaire entrepeneurs. Name three.
63 Post contains links ME AVN FAN : http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/04_21/b3884098.htm gives some information
64 N1120A : Name three female Iranian billionaires in the US. Name two. Actually, can you even name a non-political billionaire in Iran? What the hell is the pro
65 SlamClick : N1120A the two-trick pony. 1. Hurl some inflamatory BS and leave. 2. Change the subject. I asked you a question. You have so far declined to address
66 N1120A : No, more like I have a life and other things to do. I answered your question, with a question. Besides, why should I answer rhetorical questions
67 SlamClick : Sorry, three tricks. 3. Get a moderator to delete posts he doesn't like. No. You COUNTERED with a question. An "answer" would have had names or the w
68 JGPH1A : Correction. It should be the business of ALL nations on Earth to prevent ANY nation from possessing nuclear weapons. Why is it OK for some nations to
69 SlamClick : How do you propose to uninvent it? Many nations already do possess them. How do YOU propose to take them away?
70 JGPH1A : We got rid of CFC's didn't we ? Same principle applies - this is technology that endangers the safety of the entire planet, there has to be a way to
71 ME AVN FAN : well, your "question" in a way is NOT a question at all but a rethorical provocation. Why ? Because you implied that any successful business-entrepre
72 NoUFO : ... and the commander hopefully allowed her to put the flag back on, reminding her that those polit-monkeys are a couple of thousand miles away. Then
73 Post contains images ME AVN FAN : well, it is her fate. Her original country allowed her to get up but now is governed by a dull and stupid fundamentalist and an ugly mullahcracy, her
74 Rolfen : I dont see any reason she should not wear the iranian flag, or whatever flag she shooses. Not to give her this freedom is ridiculous. I despise whoeve
75 N1120A : I don't think I have ever SD'ed a single one of your posts.
76 SlamClick : Sorry I don't know what your "CFC" means in this context. Google gives me: Combined Federal Campaign Chlorofluorocarbons Cooperative Finance Corporat
77 SlamClick : There was nothing whatsoever in the nature of a "provocation" in what I asked or in the implications behind it, unless you are embarassed about the f
78 Post contains images Klaus : Come on - you'd needed to have lived under a rock for the past twenty years to have missed the whole discussion...! But I think he's quite right - re
79 SlamClick : Sorry, I was thinking in a weapons context. I see what he meant. Still don't see a great deal of validity in the comparison. Most nations that have n
80 N1120A : I answer your questions. You just don't like the answers I give and then pretend I didn't answer Tell that to the people in Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
81 N1120A : Perhaps you should take your own advice on occaision, or are you too above that? Still, given that the US is, 51 years later, the only country to eve
82 SlamClick : You still haven't addressed my question to you. Deflecting it or admitting that the answers would embarass you as you did does not count as an answer
83 N1120A : I don't know of any official billionaires in Iran.
84 SlamClick : Thank you. The following, if it was framed as a question would be rhetorical. I wonder why you bothered to ask me what I know about economic opportun
85 Klaus : Nobody claims it will be easy - the point is that global nuclear disarmament is still necessary in the long run. That is not required. The same kind
86 SlamClick : Perhaps. But some countries that might openly support them can. I don't want to appear to be arguing in favor of nukes. The word "overkill" revolts m
87 Klaus : That's never been how this works. Democracy requires a certain level of trust in the other participants. The "trick" is to construct a system so that
88 ANCFlyer : Seems perfectly reasonable to me. I watched her in an interview before they launched . . . quite articulate, AND quite thankful for the opportunities
89 ME AVN FAN : Not only Islam out of tradition has "different rules for women". You can, in the Bible find texts like "the woman shall be subordinate to her husband
90 Bravo45 : Hmm.. Listen pal! This was not new news okay. Now if yo haven't hears anything about it, the topic itself promises nothing at all. I heard over the r
91 Post contains links ME AVN FAN : here the link : - www.anoushehansari.com ****************************
92 L410Turbolet : If this is indeed as you say, then I think it's perfectly understandable she was told to remove it and those who requested it probably wanted to prev
93 ME AVN FAN : this also is my speculative assumption, but I simply don't know
94 Tu204 : We would not have asked for such a thing. However Russian Sokol suits and uniforms (which are worn by all cosmonauts and astronauts aboard Russian spa
95 L410Turbolet : On second thought... how about no flags at all? She's there as a private person, paying out of her own pocket for a very expensive rollercoaster ride
96 SlamClick : Trust me, I am not your pal. I watch a half hour of local and an hour of world news each weeknight. I had not seen anything about this. In the news m
97 NoUFO : Sorry, no so dear not-pal, that was the way you chose. In your very first post you wrote ... ... which is a completely unjustified statement based so
98 SlamClick : Do you think for a moment that I would have written that if the thread starter had not lied about what flag it was that she wanted to wear? It would h
99 N1120A : She is probably a dual citizen.
100 NoUFO : The thread-starter did not lie but merely quoted the article he linked to. How ironic. Neither do I, nor do I like people who hasten to insult people
101 Post contains images Klaus : Ms. Ansari is not on welfare. She is actually feeding more born americans than you are. So it would behoove you to tread very lightly instead of spou
102 SlamClick : Which he admits that he knew to be inaccurate. Where he understood that the difference between the statement and reality changed the entire character
103 N1120A : How right you are. She is actually the one doing the feeding.
104 SlamClick : That is not the point. The entire point of that part of this discussion is whether she would have had the same economic opportunities in Iran. Rememb
105 SlamClick : Point some of these out for me. Please do not generalize, but use specific quotes (in context) from my posts.
106 Klaus : Standard innuendo against the presumably lazy and parasitic foreigners "infesting" one's home country. You've been working hard to paint Ms. Ansari a
107 Raffik : Why don't the Russian and Americans remove their flags? Why should she be ashamed of it for God's sake??? It's only a flag
108 NoUFO : "Anousheh Ansari" for a start. That would have brought you to Wikipedia where it is clearly stated that Or you could have entered "Anousheh Ansari"+f
109 SlamClick : Wow, wouldn't that slogan look great on a banner! As usual, you took it out of context. Did you remember that I started with Sterling Hayden as an ex
110 SlamClick : I feel like I am trying to explain flying to my dog. How would I know to type or anywhere unless I ASSUMED that the thread starter was wrong. Look! O
111 N1120A : He was calling you a rabid xenophobe, which you are, so I don't see the insult in that.
112 NoUFO : For the umphteenth time: The thread-starter wasn't wrong, he merely quoted an article. Plus - and foremost: It's of no relevance which flag exactly i
113 SlamClick : Again you lead with your prejudice. "rabid xenophobe" is a specific label. I can respond to it if I choose. We can define these terms and examine my
114 SlamClick : Which, for the umpteenth time he KNEW to be wrong. I assumed? I wrote: Perhaps you don't read English well enough to get it, but there is a gigantic
115 N1120A : First, if you wanted to accuse me of anything, you should have quoted the second part where I actually agreed with Klaus' observation. Second, my eva
116 NoUFO : The article wasn't wrong. She was urged to remove an Iranian flag. Whether or not the flag dated back to pre-1979 times is irrelevant. All right "you
117 SlamClick : Irrelevant? 1. The flag of the current Iranian government, very much at odds with the current US Government. The dispute might lead to sanctions whic
118 SlamClick : I was waiting for someone to pull a Bill Clinton here: "depends on what your definition of "is" is" If out of the clear blue sky someone writes "was
119 Post contains images Klaus : That is completely beside the point. The only issue anybody around here has is that your immediate conclusion from that is that that was inherently s
120 Post contains images Bravo45 : WHEN???? WHERE??? STOP MISQUOTING ME. You don't represent me and have no right lying about what I have said. So STOP IT!!! This link was specific and
121 AerospaceFan : I think it is strange that anyone would display the flag of a country other than their own in such an environment. There are plenty of Americans of G
122 NoUFO : Allright, but Mrs Ansari said she still has close ties to Iran, and if she thinks it's appropriate to have both flags on her space suit, than it's he
123 AerospaceFan : She can have close ties, but when she became a U.S. citizen, she had to renounce all allegiances to other countries. That still counts for something.
124 NoUFO : I thought "allegiance" refered to obedience to potentates, not to a general feeling for the country and your personal roots.
125 Rolfen : Isnt this countrary to the First Amendment ?
126 AeroWesty : Have you seen the lovely Schwarzenegger commemorative stamp Austria issued with both U.S. and Austrian flags on it? How does this work for people lik
127 ANCFlyer : On a Russian Space Ship, No chance. She didn't catch a ride on a US ship, and the station she's on is an "International Space Station". . . . as far
128 AerospaceFan : Well, that may be, but that's Austria, not the U.S. The U.S. does not officially recognize dual citizenship. As far as I know, however, if you're alr
129 Post contains links LOT767-300ER : You are incorrect. Research the facts before you post this. I am a dual citizen, naturalized in the United States. The US Government does recognize d
130 N1120A : No she didn't and this issue has been long settled by the Supreme Court. Despite the non-recognition of other citizenships (as is the case in any cou
131 Post contains links AeroWesty : I am trying to decipher this paragraph but ... then I look at this: http://www.richw.org/dualcit/law.html ... that seems to explain it much different
132 Post contains links AerospaceFan : How about being a bit less condescending? (Excerpt) "The United States does not formally recognize dual citizenship" means what it says. The foregoin
133 N1120A : For legal purposes, no country actually recognizes dual citizenship. To any country of citizenship, you are their citizen and that is it. And even th
134 AerospaceFan : As I said in the quote cited above, the U.S. does not officially recognize dual citizenship. And, I said, also, that the U.S. considers a U.S. citize
135 AeroWesty : You certainly may. As referred to in the link I posted above, the U.S. may actually require you to use your passport from the other country you're al
136 Post contains links AerospaceFan : Here is a citation from a Webpage posted by the British Embassy in the United States that takes a harder line against dual citizenship than I've expre
137 Post contains links AerospaceFan : If I recall correctly, isn't that Website one run by someone who specifically disclaims being a lawyer or anyone with legal expertise on immigration
138 AeroWesty : You are correct that he is not a lawyer, and does not claim to give legal advice. However, he cites all of his information. From his bio: "As I start
139 Post contains links AerospaceFan : Yes, I agree that that's what he says. And, to further your point, his Website is also cited on the Shusterman Website. So I don't dispute that his c
140 AeroWesty : While your reliance upon Mr. Shusterman's status is admirable, while even admitting he links to my link (I think that's what you said), it may be int
141 AerospaceFan : That may be true. There is a phrase: "My lawyer can beat up your lawyer." It's a dog-eat-dog world, ain't it? And far be it from me, as I've consiste
142 AerospaceFan : Erratum: As corrected.
143 N1120A : Something that cannot be coerced, nor can rights be taken away because of that dual nationality. Which has nothing, absolutely nothing, to do with yo
144 ME AVN FAN : such may be US laws, but such ideas are completely unrealistic and miles beside realities that kind of "flag waving" got out of fashion in Austria up
145 AerospaceFan : Which one? That the U.S. does not officially recognize dual citizenship? Why is that incorrect? Lack of necessity is in the eye of the beholder. I wi
146 ME AVN FAN : just as most other dual-citizenship-holder he clearly also holds a dual-allegiance, whether this is up to US laws or not.
147 AerospaceFan : I think if you ask him, you'll probably get a different answer, at least publicly.
148 Post contains images NoUFO : I think this is a big enough Iranian flag. And look where she placed her name tag: Mrs Ansari seems to share my "Now more than ever"-attitude, and I h
149 AerospaceFan : I guess the authorities caved in, then. There were apparently 20,000,000.00 good reasons to do so....
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