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Pope Invites Muslim Envoys To Rome  
User currently offlineCedars747 From Norway, joined Dec 2005, 2721 posts, RR: 19
Posted (8 years 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 1744 times:

Pope Benedict will meet Muslim ambassadors to the Vatican and Italian Islamic leaders in an attempt to end the furore caused by his speech in Germany.


A senior Vatican official on Friday said the purpose of the meeting was to restart dialogue with the Islamic world.

Invitations were sent for the meeting on Monday at the pope's summer palace in Castelgandolfo, outside Rome.

Muslim diplomats accredited to the Holy See hoped it would help to restore trust between the Roman Catholic Church and Muslims offended by the pope's speech last week in his native Germany.

Ahmad Faihma, Iran's deputy ambassador to the Holy See, said: "We welcome it and are definitely going to participate.

"This is a positive signal from the Vatican. I know that this will improve relations with the Islamic world."

Fathi Abuabed, head of international relations at the Arab League's Vatican mission, said: "This meeting will be very important, especially in these days, to try to stop every action that is not good."

Alex!!!


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User currently offlineBravo45 From United States of America, joined exactly 13 years ago today! , 2165 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (8 years 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 1740 times:

I think this is good news. In fact a nice way to diffuse tensions.
What's the source??
It's important that media on both sides report it.


User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (8 years 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 1740 times:

Maybe these learned Islamic scholars and leaders should have cautioned peace right away, instead of letting this idiotic violence explode the way it did?

Still, such a meeting can only be positive.


User currently offlineCedars747 From Norway, joined Dec 2005, 2721 posts, RR: 19
Reply 3, posted (8 years 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1733 times:

Quoting Bravo45 (Reply 1):
What's the source??

Al-Jazeera tv news channel
Alex!!!



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User currently offlineMarco From United Arab Emirates, joined Jul 2000, 4169 posts, RR: 11
Reply 4, posted (8 years 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1727 times:

Sounds like a good idea. Also, maybe the Islamic leaders can clear up what Qaddafi meant a couple of months ago when he said " westerners should put Jesus next to naked women" etc etc ... this could be a good opportunity for them to also clear up why Saudi Arabian imams constantly call Christians "Apes and pigs" or those "who incur God's wrath" , or "immoral", etc

I'm all for dialogue!

Also wanted to add: Maybe they can ask those Islamic scholars why Pope let the largest mosque in Europe to be built in Rome close to the Vatican yet Christians can't build a church in Saudi Arabia or worship publicly. They could also clarify why a Muslim cannot convert to other religions, unless he wants to be killed, as we saw earlier on this year in Afghanistan (a liberated democratic country nonetheless  Yeah sure)

[Edited 2006-09-23 00:45:05]


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User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 5, posted (8 years 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1710 times:

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 2):
Maybe these learned Islamic scholars and leaders should have cautioned peace right away, instead of letting this idiotic violence explode the way it did?

They could not as they for sure were rather surprised about the whole commotion. Not least as they may well have understood the complicated and long speech of the Pope, quite in contrast to the press-corps

Quoting Marco (Reply 4):
those Islamic scholars

they canNOT speak for Saudi Arabia. Except whomever may be around from Saudi Arabia.


User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12110 posts, RR: 48
Reply 6, posted (8 years 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1710 times:
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Hope they get patted down and searched prior to entering the building.


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User currently offlineMarco From United Arab Emirates, joined Jul 2000, 4169 posts, RR: 11
Reply 7, posted (8 years 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1707 times:

they canNOT speak for Saudi Arabia. Except whomever may be around from Saudi Arabia.

The problem is that it's not just Saudi Arabia. It's any Islamic country in general - sure the laws might vary in terms of strictness but there's a big problem throughout the Islamic world. Saudi Arabia is the center of Islam so it should concern them anyway.



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User currently offlineAirCop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1707 times:

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 2):
Still, such a meeting can only be positive.

One would hope so, but Pope Benedict hasn't impress me with his people skills, basically I think he is the wrong person to be Pope at this time.


User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (8 years 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1698 times:

Quoting Cedars747 (Reply 3):
Al-Jazeera tv news channel
Alex!!!

Yes, that channel, preferred by 4 out of 5 terrorists worldwide.


Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 5):
They could not as they for sure were rather surprised about the whole commotion.

You're joking? Aftert the violence unleashed after a freaking CARTOON was put out earlier in the year?

It's nice that the Islamic radicals have such a friend in their corner, MAF, who can explain away everything they do.


User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 10, posted (8 years 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1691 times:

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 9):
You're joking? Aftert the violence unleashed after a freaking CARTOON was put out earlier in the year?

The whole commotion started rather suddenly, not leaving them much chance

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 9):
It's nice that the Islamic radicals have such a friend in their corner, MAF, who can explain away everything they do.

it was not just the radicals who were involved


User currently offlineCedars747 From Norway, joined Dec 2005, 2721 posts, RR: 19
Reply 11, posted (8 years 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1691 times:

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 9):
Yes, that channel, preferred by 4 out of 5 terrorists worldwide.

 rotfl   rotfl   rotfl   rotfl   rotfl   rotfl 
Is that's why Bush wanted to destroy it?
Alex!!!



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User currently offlineMarco From United Arab Emirates, joined Jul 2000, 4169 posts, RR: 11
Reply 12, posted (8 years 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1691 times:

He could have destroyed it if he wanted to. You should thank him for not doing so.  Wink


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User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 13, posted (8 years 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 1684 times:

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 9):
Al-Jazeera tv news channel
Alex!!!

Yes, that channel, preferred by 4 out of 5 terrorists worldwide.

-
did you make a poll with terrorists you know ? Good TV-stations are of course also watched by terrorists. Fidel Castro watches CNN. Is CNN therefore a Cuban Communist outlet ?


User currently offlineCedars747 From Norway, joined Dec 2005, 2721 posts, RR: 19
Reply 14, posted (8 years 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 1680 times:

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 13):
did you make a poll with terrorists you know ?

 rotfl   rotfl 
Good one ME AVN FAN
Alex!!!



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User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (8 years 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 1668 times:

I coudln't get the properties on this political cartoon, but it is perfect for this thread.

http://www.usatoday.com/opinion/cart...op1=&gdrop2=John%20Deering&gdrop3=

Hilarious.

As for Alex! and MAF, your humor, such as it is, doesn't change the fact that you, living in free nations, stand squarly on the side of those who would love to take your freedoms from you.

So yuk it up. Those of us who know better are laughing at your incredible naivete.


User currently offlineEmirates773ER From Pakistan, joined Jun 2005, 1450 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (8 years 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1656 times:

Quoting Marco (Reply 4):
this could be a good opportunity for them to also clear up why Saudi Arabian imams constantly call Christians "Apes and pigs" or those "who incur God's wrath" , or "immoral", etc

Out of the whole post this seems to be the most logical question, would really like the imams answering them.



The Truth is Out There ---- Face It!!!!!
User currently offlineTACAA320 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (8 years 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1640 times:

Quoting AirCop (Reply 8):
I think he is the wrong person to be Pope at this time.

Can you please elaborate a little bit more this statement please ?


User currently offlineTACAA320 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (8 years 1 day ago) and read 1620 times:

Quoting AirCop (Reply 8):
basically I think he is the wrong person to be Pope at this time.

Omce again. I respect your way of thinking about HH The Pope. But why do yo think that he is the wrong person to be Pope at this time ?
Arguments ?
Reasons ?

Hope you have at least more than one.


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31684 posts, RR: 56
Reply 19, posted (8 years 16 hours ago) and read 1594 times:

Good to see the Pope taking a lead to diffuse an Unnecessary Flareup.
regds
MEL



Think of the brighter side!
User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 20, posted (8 years 14 hours ago) and read 1579 times:

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 15):
stand squarly on the side of those who would love to take your freedoms from you.

rubbish! I never did and never will "stand on the side of ..... who would love to take freedom". I am squarely opposed to restrictive and negative parties like Hizbullah, Hamas, MuslimBrotherhood (Egypt), IslamicSalvationParty (Algeria), SVP (Switzerland), FN (France) etc . You just again make things up.


User currently offlineMandala499 From Indonesia, joined Aug 2001, 6873 posts, RR: 75
Reply 21, posted (8 years 3 hours ago) and read 1550 times:

These envoys are mainly scholastic theologians, not the street level hate-preachers. These are the normal channels of communication between the Pope and those street level hate-preachers.

Falcon84,
The protests on "Let's protest anything that we can brand as an attack in the hate everyone" campaign, were orchestrated by the hate preachers, not these guys who normally are in a dialogue with the Vatican. On the Danish cartoons, there were small protests in Indonesia, many felt offended but did not demonstrate. However, it takes time for these theologians to get their word across... eventually, people understood the meaning of the cartoon, at least their decision to be offended by it or not, is an informed one, and many chose to "stop being offended" by it.

By the way, thanks for the link to the cartoon! LOL Shows exactly why these dialogues are needed...

Marco,
I have a few friends who converted from Islam... they didn't get stoned to death and nor were they shunned... Well, I'm not from Afghanistan or Saudi Arabia obviously!

The problem with the Saudi is the Saudification of Islam they're trying to do! The fact that they are by geography is the center of the Islamic world is causing problems. I wish Mecca and Medina becomes a specially administered region... Though if that is ever suggested, the Saud family would do everything it has to prevent such a thing...

--
By the way guys, whatever happened to the "international conference for religious tolerance" ???? I never heard of it again after 2001...

Mandala499



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User currently offlineSolnabo From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 852 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (7 years 12 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 1540 times:

According to Welt an Sonntag the EU commisioner José Manuel Barosso is dissipointed that so few EU leaders stand behind the Pope in the conflict with the muslim world.

The reaction of extremists is the problem, not the what the Pope said about the 14th century emperor who wrote that islam is an evil and violant religion.

Ex president of Spain José Maria Aznar defends the Pope and his statement about islam, "it´s blown out of preportion" Aznar said.

I have to agree, why this tip-toeing about what to say or not to say about islam?

Micke//

[Edited 2006-09-24 10:13:59]


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User currently onlineL410Turbolet From Czech Republic, joined May 2004, 5712 posts, RR: 18
Reply 23, posted (7 years 12 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 1529 times:

Quoting Solnabo (Reply 22):
According to Welt an Sonntag the EU commisioner José Manuel Barosso is dissipointed that so few EU leaders stand behind the Pope in the conflict with the muslim world.

Maybe someone should refresh Mr. Barroso's memory, because the EU shamefully failed to stand behind Denmark during the cartoon hysteria as well, even expressed regrets that abuot freedom of expression causing riots of fanatical mobs and did not even demand apology for destruction of its own property. Instead EU's very own EU chief foreign appeaser Solana went to Saudi Arabia and sucked up to wahabists.


User currently offlineBruno From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 853 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (7 years 12 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 1522 times:

I hope something positive comes out of this. I have a sick feeling that these muslims will try to hurt the man and focus there attention and aggression on Catholics.


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25 ME AVN FAN : His problem is that he fails to realize that there is no "conflict of the Pope with the Muslim World", but that there was some commotion about a spee
26 L410Turbolet : Going to Saudi Arabia, issuing guarantees that no such cartoons will be published again (I wonder on behalf of whom this not elected by anyone, not a
27 ME AVN FAN : I am sorry, but is there ANY evidence that he really DID this ??? I mean even an elected politician in a democratic country canNOT guarantee such thi
28 Post contains images Windshear : Very well put once again... I too will never forget EU's stand in this, even the Bush administration kept a lid on things, so so weak. Boaz.
29 Marco : I have a few friends who converted from Islam... they didn't get stoned to death and nor were they shunned... Well, I'm not from Afghanistan or Saudi
30 Asturias : Very good post and I agree completely! We can and will say anything we like about Islam, who are at best un-informed, but well-intentioned towards Eu
31 Halls120 : I was in Scotland during this particular flareup, and since we were on vacation, paid very little attention to any news. What struck me about the who
32 Raffik : Deary me! What was the benefit of adding that bitchy little paragraph in there, when in actual fact, you're agreeing with him! Take a chill pill; in
33 ME AVN FAN : which in English language, the "official" language of a.net is a PRIME MINISTER. Before becoming rough, you might consider basics
34 Jaysit : The Pope can bond with Islamic fanatics on issues they agree on and people they both hate or consider worthy of open derision: gays, women, Jews, Budd
35 SFOMEX : I had no idea that the Pope hated Jews, Buddhists and Hindus. Perhaps you could too explain the visit of John Paul II and Benedict XVI to a synagogue
36 OzarkD9S : Your hope is in vain. Once the world puts religion behind, we'll all be better off.
37 Windshear : Really? hehe ME AVN FAN, you never came clean about this... Where are you from- originally? Boaz.
38 FlyingKangaroo : I couldn't of said it better myself. Who do they think they are holding protests and such over a comment made by a religious figure? There's muslims
39 Post contains images Windshear : This is a repeating pattern, and I think your question is fair. All religions should be treated with respect, but this is insane, because it all happ
40 Asturias : No, that is not true. You are most ignorant of Spanish government - quite naturally, but don't try and push your ignorance as truth to those who know
41 ME AVN FAN : ok, ok, I accept this in principle. But if you translate it into English, you simply have to accept that the head of government is NOT the "president
42 Rolfen : I think he should organise an iftar in their honour and then try to entertain them, so that everyone realises that there is better to do in life than
43 Post contains images Windshear : so MAF... Where are you from? Originally... I was born here in DK... Let me hear about your roots Boaz.
44 ME AVN FAN : I just a week ago got a brand new Swiss passport. Really nicely decorated .
45 Post contains images Cedars747 : Yup,like organising a circus "The antecedent Pope use to enjoy circus a lot" and after that ,a biiiig vegetarian pizza with alcohol free beer Happy i
46 Post contains images Windshear : But where are you from originally? Boaz.
47 ME AVN FAN : Oran
48 Cedars747 : Oran and Wahran are the same ,isn't it ?I have been in Tlemsen and Wahran.....Wonderfull place,make's me remember the Kalifa's era !And tlemsen is th
49 ME AVN FAN : of course. If you replace the "wa" by "Oua" then you get it. The "O" was a French invention. And they killed the kh as they could not deal with this
50 Cedars747 : Yes ,sad story ! i know that from a friend of mine,we went to the same school "Lycé Jean Mermoz"he was the son of the Ambassador of Algeria in Bueno
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