Cedars747 From Norway, joined Dec 2005, 2718 posts, RR: 20 Posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 1536 times:
Pope Benedict will meet Muslim ambassadors to the Vatican and Italian Islamic leaders in an attempt to end the furore caused by his speech in Germany.
A senior Vatican official on Friday said the purpose of the meeting was to restart dialogue with the Islamic world.
Invitations were sent for the meeting on Monday at the pope's summer palace in Castelgandolfo, outside Rome.
Muslim diplomats accredited to the Holy See hoped it would help to restore trust between the Roman Catholic Church and Muslims offended by the pope's speech last week in his native Germany.
Ahmad Faihma, Iran's deputy ambassador to the Holy See, said: "We welcome it and are definitely going to participate.
"This is a positive signal from the Vatican. I know that this will improve relations with the Islamic world."
Fathi Abuabed, head of international relations at the Arab League's Vatican mission, said: "This meeting will be very important, especially in these days, to try to stop every action that is not good."
Marco From United Arab Emirates, joined Jul 2000, 4168 posts, RR: 17 Reply 4, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 1519 times:
Sounds like a good idea. Also, maybe the Islamic leaders can clear up what Qaddafi meant a couple of months ago when he said " westerners should put Jesus next to naked women" etc etc ... this could be a good opportunity for them to also clear up why Saudi Arabian imams constantly call Christians "Apes and pigs" or those "who incur God's wrath" , or "immoral", etc
I'm all for dialogue!
Also wanted to add: Maybe they can ask those Islamic scholars why Pope let the largest mosque in Europe to be built in Rome close to the Vatican yet Christians can't build a church in Saudi Arabia or worship publicly. They could also clarify why a Muslim cannot convert to other religions, unless he wants to be killed, as we saw earlier on this year in Afghanistan (a liberated democratic country nonetheless )
ME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13877 posts, RR: 26 Reply 5, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 1502 times:
Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 2): Maybe these learned Islamic scholars and leaders should have cautioned peace right away, instead of letting this idiotic violence explode the way it did?
They could not as they for sure were rather surprised about the whole commotion. Not least as they may well have understood the complicated and long speech of the Pope, quite in contrast to the press-corps
Marco From United Arab Emirates, joined Jul 2000, 4168 posts, RR: 17 Reply 7, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 1499 times:
they canNOT speak for Saudi Arabia. Except whomever may be around from Saudi Arabia.
The problem is that it's not just Saudi Arabia. It's any Islamic country in general - sure the laws might vary in terms of strictness but there's a big problem throughout the Islamic world. Saudi Arabia is the center of Islam so it should concern them anyway.
Emirates773ER From Pakistan, joined Jun 2005, 1448 posts, RR: 10 Reply 16, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 1448 times:
Quoting Marco (Reply 4): this could be a good opportunity for them to also clear up why Saudi Arabian imams constantly call Christians "Apes and pigs" or those "who incur God's wrath" , or "immoral", etc
Out of the whole post this seems to be the most logical question, would really like the imams answering them.
ME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13877 posts, RR: 26 Reply 20, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 1371 times:
Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 15): stand squarly on the side of those who would love to take your freedoms from you.
rubbish! I never did and never will "stand on the side of ..... who would love to take freedom". I am squarely opposed to restrictive and negative parties like Hizbullah, Hamas, MuslimBrotherhood (Egypt), IslamicSalvationParty (Algeria), SVP (Switzerland), FN (France) etc . You just again make things up.
Mandala499 From Indonesia, joined Aug 2001, 6409 posts, RR: 74 Reply 21, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1342 times:
These envoys are mainly scholastic theologians, not the street level hate-preachers. These are the normal channels of communication between the Pope and those street level hate-preachers.
The protests on "Let's protest anything that we can brand as an attack in the hate everyone" campaign, were orchestrated by the hate preachers, not these guys who normally are in a dialogue with the Vatican. On the Danish cartoons, there were small protests in Indonesia, many felt offended but did not demonstrate. However, it takes time for these theologians to get their word across... eventually, people understood the meaning of the cartoon, at least their decision to be offended by it or not, is an informed one, and many chose to "stop being offended" by it.
By the way, thanks for the link to the cartoon! LOL Shows exactly why these dialogues are needed...
I have a few friends who converted from Islam... they didn't get stoned to death and nor were they shunned... Well, I'm not from Afghanistan or Saudi Arabia obviously!
The problem with the Saudi is the Saudification of Islam they're trying to do! The fact that they are by geography is the center of the Islamic world is causing problems. I wish Mecca and Medina becomes a specially administered region... Though if that is ever suggested, the Saud family would do everything it has to prevent such a thing...
By the way guys, whatever happened to the "international conference for religious tolerance" ???? I never heard of it again after 2001...
When losing situational awareness, pray Cumulus Granitus isn't nearby !
L410Turbolet From Czech Republic, joined May 2004, 5530 posts, RR: 18 Reply 23, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 1321 times:
Quoting Solnabo (Reply 22): According to Welt an Sonntag the EU commisioner José Manuel Barosso is dissipointed that so few EU leaders stand behind the Pope in the conflict with the muslim world.
Maybe someone should refresh Mr. Barroso's memory, because the EU shamefully failed to stand behind Denmark during the cartoon hysteria as well, even expressed regrets that abuot freedom of expression causing riots of fanatical mobs and did not even demand apology for destruction of its own property. Instead EU's very own EU chief foreign appeaser Solana went to Saudi Arabia and sucked up to wahabists.