Skyhawk From United States of America, joined May 2001, 1065 posts, RR: 4 Reply 2, posted (11 years 6 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 906 times:
KROC is right on the money. Not only is Guiliani not gay, he is not Jewish, is fact quite the opposite. He is Catholic. If you want to knock the guy Whistler, you might want to get yur facts straight first.
Whistler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 4, posted (11 years 6 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 892 times:
Here is exacly what the Saudi newspaper claims, remember guys, these are NOT MY WORDS but those of a Saudi Newspaper:
Because the governor [sic] of the Big Apple is a Jew, he refused [to accept the donation] and caused a storm. ...
"Giuliani said: `The prince's declarations are grievous and irresponsible; these Arabs have lost the right to dictate [to us what to do]. What we (America) must do is kill 6,000 innocent people.' By Allah, I am amazed at your act, you Jew; everything Prince Al-Walid said was true. What happened proves beyond any doubt the public insolence, the open hatred and the collapse of American democratic theory. If democracy means a governor [sic] who is a homosexual in a city in which dance clubs, prostitution, homosexuality and stripping proliferate, the U.S. can keep its democracy."
Alpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 8, posted (11 years 6 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 837 times:
Unfortunately, this is the kind of waffling that many Arab/Islamic leaders in this country have done since the September 11th attacks. They always seem to say that "we condemn the attacks....but..." In other words, they don't condemn it totally as any American should. It's the "but..." part that has so many non-Arab and non-Islamic Americans wondering where the loyalties of these people-not all of them, but many of them-really are.
That does not mean that the racial hatred we've seen towards them is justified. To the contrary. We live in a free society, and all views have a right to be heard. Yet in a war, it is not unjustified to ask, peacefully and with candor, just exactly where the true loyalty of these folks lies.
AerLingus From China, joined Mar 2000, 2371 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (11 years 6 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 773 times:
We may not find them particularly offensive, but in the Arab word, both of these things are obviously hugely offensive.
Anyway, the blustering these extremist leaders in the middle east are producing is absolutely silly. When they learn how to solve their own problems in their countries, then, and only then may they be allowed to justifiably criticise the United States with such hostility.
The mayor refused to accept the money because the words of that middle-eastern "dignitary (if you can call him that)" were wholly unappropriate given the time and place. I don't remember any president in modern history saying "Well...the Falun Gong brought it on themselves" or "the Bosnians and Kosovars brought it on themselves and they had it coming."
Marco From United Arab Emirates, joined Jul 2000, 4161 posts, RR: 17 Reply 12, posted (11 years 6 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 760 times:
We may not find them particularly offensive, but in the Arab word, both of these things are obviously hugely offensive
While I do agree with you that Jews are not particularly liked in the Arab world but homosexuality? You'd be surprised at how many homosexuals there are, particularly in Egypt and the Gulf states. Of course, unofficially that is.
Trvlr From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 4430 posts, RR: 24 Reply 14, posted (11 years 6 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 749 times:
Whistler: There have been several incidents over the past few months in Egypt, where homosexuals have been arrested, jailed, and mistreated, for the reason that they were violating Islamic/Egyptian Law. The most notable one occurred a few months ago, where 52 gay people were arrested at a discotheque. Just a few days ago 23 of these people were sentenced to hard labor by the Emergency State Security Court in Cairo.
In addition, as you said, 4 more presumed gay people were arrested in Cairo on the 15th I believe.
So Marco, even though there may be a lot of homosexuals in the Middle East (as anywhere, I might add), that is totally different from whether they are "liked" or not.
Delta-flyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 2676 posts, RR: 7 Reply 16, posted (11 years 6 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 729 times:
Alpha_1 .. you hit the nail on the head ...And these are America's "allies"?
I am totally convinced that most Arabs (and Muslims in general) hate America for various reasons, real and imagined. It's important that we recognize that. We are only allies in a very limited sense ... the Arab nations have given us the minimum support they think is necessary to stay off our list of terrorist sympathizers.
Bottom line: They do not like us, but like to continue doing business with us.
VirginA340 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 15 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (11 years 6 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 696 times:
So after all the aid the US gives them and after we saved their asses in 91 and this is the crap we get. Typical arabian world. We give Egypt 2 Billion in US Tax Payer dollars and we get crap spewed in the media and the Gov in those 2 countries can or are controlling it but they don't give a damn! Thne they bitch and whine on how we don't care about their people. We'll what about them!?! when was the last time they did anything for them. all i see is some rich stuck up snob sitting in his palace while he watching the suffering. We do so many things for so many countries in the time off need like helping out the French Franc or the German Deutsh mark or helping Saudi by putting Saddam in his place only to then be told not to invade Bagdad. Where the hell we're they when we had Hurricane Andrew Decimate a third of Florida? Where we're they when the midwest was ravaged by floods and tornados!?! Where the hell were they when the WTC went down in plumes of smoke with 3500 people being murdered!?!
Every time a situaton pops up in any part of the world we were the first ones or among the first there to help. more than half the time we are greeted by boos, death threats or hate in their media. I say we stop helping out and then we'll see what the outcome is when one day we decide not to give a dman anymore. All they like to do is bite the hand that feeds them.
Jiml1126 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 19, posted (11 years 6 months 19 hours ago) and read 656 times:
A Little bit out of topic for a while.
Giuliani is going to be a DRAG QUEEN again on the US's popular queer drama "Queer as Folk" season 2, starting January.
Friday, October 19, 2001 / 02:16 PM
New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani has agreed to appear in drag in an upcoming episode of "Queer As Folk."
It will not be the first time Giuliani has donned a wig and gown. He wore a blond wig and pink dress while spoofing "Victor/Victoria" for the 1997 Inner Circle dinner in New York and followed up with more cross-dressing antics on "Saturday Night Live."
But this time there is a more serious reason for doing drag. It's part of a fundraising effort for the Sept. 11 fund to help gay and lesbian families affected by the terrorist attack on New York.
The idea came during a dinner organized by Empire State Pride Agenda, the New York state gay lobbying group. Giuliani was a guest speaker, and Pride Agenda was auctioning off a walk-on role in "Queer As Folk." The dinner is an annual event in New York. This year the mayor and gay police, fire and EMT workers were honored.
The show's executive producers of the Toronto-based series were in New York for the dinner. Pride Agenda raised $100,000 at the event.
Howard Koeppel, one half of the gay couple who is housing the mayor who is estranged from his wife suggested Giuliani should do a drag role if donors could cough up another $100,000. The mayor stunned everyone, including Pride Agenda co-chair Jeff Soref.
The mayor said, "If it means more money for relief funds, sure."
The "Queer As Folk" people told 365Gay.com Thursday night they are still waiting to hear if the money has been raised.
They said, "Nothing has been finalized, and the writers have not begun working on a part yet." The series is one-third of the way finished shooting its second season in Toronto.
Temple Street Productions, the Toronto company which produces the series, says it is excited about the prospect of working with the mayor.
Soref told 365Gay.com from New York Thursday night that almost all of the $200,000 has been raised. Soref said "Queer As Folk" producers have agreed to write the mayor a part that takes place in New York so he won't have to travel to the show's set in Toronto.
The series resumes shooting Oct. 29, then takes time off for Christmas and finishes the final seven episodes of the second season in the new year.
FSPilot747 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 3599 posts, RR: 14 Reply 20, posted (11 years 6 months 16 hours ago) and read 641 times:
"I am totally convinced that most Arabs (and Muslims in general) hate America for various reasons"
Delta-Flyer, you obviously are clueless about muslims. Your totally convinced huh? From what? If most muslims, as you so eloquently put it, hate america, why the hell are millions of them living here? Why is it the fastest growing religion in America? Surely not because they hate america. Oh I get it, it's some sort of huge conspiracy. They all hate america. They are just living here for the hell of it
Alpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 21, posted (11 years 6 months 16 hours ago) and read 640 times:
Maybe millions of them live here to escape the dictatorial governments of their homeland? That's been a draw for America since it's inception. Yet if you read that thread-starting article on here, you'd be convinced that many-not all, maybe not even a majority-but many of those living here hate the US. And there's no doubt that a majority don't like the US in the Islamic/Arab world.
Marco From United Arab Emirates, joined Jul 2000, 4161 posts, RR: 17 Reply 22, posted (11 years 6 months 4 hours ago) and read 616 times:
Exactly alpha 1!
Err, Fspilot747, have you been listening to the Islamic propaganda machine again? Islam, the fastest growing religion? Even if it is, I'd rather follow a religion that looks more for quality than quantity
Believe me, homosexuality is huge amongst Arabs. If you've lived in an arabic country, you would know that. Even in the Gulf states. Sure, it's not tolerated, but people know it exists and if given the freedom that individuals enjoy elsewhere it would just as obvious as it is in the states, canada,etc...
Alpha 1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 23, posted (11 years 6 months 3 hours ago) and read 613 times:
Although I must point out one more thing: recently, in the Arab/Islamic press, there has begun a more vocal criticism of of Osama Bin Laden and his radical, neo-fascists brand of Islam. There was an article in a local paper here (that can't be accessed online) was saying that more and more influential Arab/Islamic voices in the Middle East are growing stronger in their criticism of this radical form of Islam.
Maybe, just maybe, if the people/leaders/journalists in these countries could just set aside for one moment their hatred of Israel, they'd see that there's even a bigger enemy to themselves springing from their own faith-an emeny that may be more mortal to them than the US or Zionism ever could be.