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Superfly Eliminates Potential SUV Buyer  
User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39478 posts, RR: 75
Posted (7 years 7 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2603 times:

One of my lady friends was in the market for a new car. The car she drove is a 1998 Ford Mustang GT Convertible. Great car and all but she has kids gosh I hope I am not the daddy and her little kids are getting bigger and were in the market for a larger family oriented vehicle. She was considering a BMW X3, Lexus RX-series and Mercedes M-class.

She is so fortunate to have me as a friend. I suggested that we go to the nearest Dodge dealership to look at the Dodge Magnum station wagon. I was surprised that she fell in love with the car! I’d thought she would hate the car but I felt that she should at least take a look at it. She loved the power and performance that she was accustomed to with her beautiful Ford Mustang. The Dodge Magnum is the next logical choice of vehicle from a Mustang if you have children.
I had suggested just looking at the base V-6 model but she went for the HEMI powered V8 instead.
$22K out the door for a 5.7 V8 HEMI!  Cool

I am proud that I have talked a potential SUV buyer out of buying one. Also this vehicle is better for the environment compared to the underpowered crap she was considering.

I hope someone from Ford is reading these forums!
They need to compete in this market.





Bring back the Concorde
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User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (7 years 7 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2600 times:

 Wow!

For a minute, I thought I was gonna have to call Crime-Stoppers or the SFPD!

 laughing 

As long as your friend is happy with her purchase, I'm happy for her . . .


User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 7 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2593 times:

Quoting Superfly (Thread starter):
I am proud that I have talked a potential SUV buyer out of buying one. Also this vehicle is better for the environment compared to the underpowered crap she was considering.

'Fly, we don't see eye to eye on a lot of stuff, but I'm in total agreement here. Americans need to re-discover stationwagons. They will comfortably seat as many people as any SUV, and don't have all the aerodynamic qualities of a brick like SUVs do.


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39478 posts, RR: 75
Reply 3, posted (7 years 7 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2591 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 1):
For a minute, I thought I was gonna have to call Crime-Stoppers or the SFPD!

LOL!  Silly
I am too much of a peacenik and PC to commit a crime that would harm others.  Wink

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 2):
Americans need to re-discover stationwagons. They will comfortably seat as many people as any SUV, and don't have all the aerodynamic qualities of a brick like SUVs do.

I agree! If you factor in the horsepower to gas milage ratio (340HP), these are some of the most eco-friendly vehicles on the market.

I already read up on the cargo capacity with the rear seats folded down.
OK, OK, OK, I was thinking about my own pleasures when I suggested she buy this car.  Wink



Bring back the Concorde
User currently offlineMelpax From Australia, joined Apr 2005, 1563 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (7 years 7 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2562 times:

Quoting Superfly (Thread starter):
I hope someone from Ford is reading these forums!
They need to compete in this market.

Tell Ford they need to look at sending some of their Aussie models to the US





http://www.ford.com.au/range/falcon/models/futurawagon.asp



Essendon - Whatever it takes......
User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39478 posts, RR: 75
Reply 5, posted (7 years 7 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2561 times:

Melpax:
Excellent!  yes 
Is it rear-wheel drive?
They just need to put the gear shifter on the column. The emergency brake laver looks too much like a......oh....nevermind.  Sad

That wagon could be the spiritual sucssesor to the 1984-85 LTD LX (only availible as a sedan).



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User currently offlineMelpax From Australia, joined Apr 2005, 1563 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (7 years 7 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2546 times:

It's most definatly rear drive!

Quoting Superfly (Reply 5):
They just need to put the gear shifter on the column. The emergency brake laver looks too much like a......oh....nevermind.

These come with a sequential shift auto. trans as standard, and besides, we Aussies don't much fancy column shift in our cars - we're too used to Euro & Japanese cars, which the Oz built models must compete with!
Specs for the base model (from the link above);
Barra 190 - 4.0L DOHC Dual Independent VCT I6 engine190kW of power @ 5250rpm and 383 Nm of torque @ 2500rpm
4-speed automatic transmission with Sequential Sports Shift and Grade Control LogicTraction Control
Anti lock Braking System (ABS) with Electronic Brakeforce Distribution (EBD)Intelligent Safety System including driver and front passenger airbags
CFC free air-conditioning
100 watt audio system with LCD display screen and single slot CD
Cruise control with steering wheel mounted controls
Front power windows
These are also made as a sedan & in a long wheelbase luxary variant also - The top model is called LTD!




Essendon - Whatever it takes......
User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39478 posts, RR: 75
Reply 7, posted (7 years 7 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2543 times:

WTF?!?!?!  Wow!
That is a wonderful car!  yes 
Ford needs to bring that here!
I post more tomorrow!
I am too drunk to post anymore tonight.



Bring back the Concorde
User currently offlineIAH777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 0 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (7 years 7 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2528 times:

Anyone know where I can pick-up a V10 Excursion?  duck 

User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39478 posts, RR: 75
Reply 9, posted (7 years 7 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2521 times:

IAH777:
Nothing wrong with the Ford Excursion as long as you go with the Powerstroke Diesel engine.
That can also be converted to a bio-diesel.  yes 



Bring back the Concorde
User currently offlineThePRGuy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (7 years 7 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2518 times:

Quoting Superfly (Thread starter):
she went for the HEMI powered V8 instead.
$22K out the door for a 5.7 V8 HEMI!



Quoting Superfly (Thread starter):
I am proud that I have talked a potential SUV buyer out of buying one. Also this vehicle is better for the environment compared to the underpowered crap she was considering.

Erm...You do realise that she has bought a 5.7 V8 powered petrol car which probably does very few miles to the gallon and is poor on the environment, yet you slate SUVs, where our XC90 volvo in both diesel and petrol high performance models over here will beat the economy of that dodge any day.
Thanks
PR


User currently offlineTedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (7 years 7 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2507 times:

Quoting ThePRGuy (Reply 10):
Erm...You do realise that she has bought a 5.7 V8 powered petrol car which probably does very few miles to the gallon and is poor on the environment, yet you slate SUVs

It's called irony, and you beat me to the punch. Big grin


User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (7 years 7 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2493 times:

Quoting Superfly (Thread starter):
I had suggested just looking at the base V-6 model but she went for the HEMI powered V8 instead.
$22K out the door for a 5.7 V8 HEMI! Cool

I am proud that I have talked a potential SUV buyer out of buying one. Also this vehicle is better for the environment compared to the underpowered crap she was considering.

A 5.7 V8 petrol crap-looking estate car, and it's better for the environment than (say) a 3.0 diesel BMW X5?


User currently offlineIAH777 From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 0 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (7 years 7 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2469 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 9):
IAH777:
Nothing wrong with the Ford Excursion as long as you go with the Powerstroke Diesel engine.
That can also be converted to a bio-diesel.

 thumbsup 


User currently offlineColumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7029 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (7 years 7 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2450 times:

Quoting ThePRGuy (Reply 10):
Erm...You do realise that she has bought a 5.7 V8 powered petrol car which probably does very few miles to the gallon and is poor on the environment, yet you slate SUVs, where our XC90 volvo in both diesel and petrol high performance models over here will beat the economy of that dodge any day.


As I have read that a 5.7 V8 gasoline powerd car or even a V6 I was considered I have thought what is the difference.
There are SUVs that are more fuel efficent than that one like the BMW X3
your friend considered before. Do they sell the Diesel powered version in the States ? Then you should think of the Lexus Hybrid SUV. It is definitely more fuel efficient than the Charger,too.
If you don´t like SUV´s but prefer a station wagon instead there are many that are more fuel efficient than the Charger and could run on Biodiesel.
VW Passat Tdi


The Audi A6 Tdi


the Mercedes E-class T-model (the Chrysler 300C and the Dodge Charger are based on the former model) availabe as a CDI


and the BMW 5series


[Edited 2006-09-23 16:07:34]


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User currently offlineRayChuang From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 7929 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (7 years 7 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2431 times:

I'm surprised your friend didn't seriously consider this car:

2007 Honda CR-V



If you get the 2WD version, you get pretty decent fuel efficiency (23 mpg city, 30 mpg highway) and a lot of storage space inside when you fold the rear seats down.


User currently offlineFSPilot747 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 3599 posts, RR: 13
Reply 16, posted (7 years 7 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2405 times:

Quoting 777236ER (Reply 12):
A 5.7 V8 petrol crap-looking estate car, and it's better for the environment than (say) a 3.0 diesel BMW X5?

I was just going to say that. That thing probably gets the same mileage an H2 does.

I'd have gone with the Lexus. Unlike an American car, you can probably get a few thousand miles on it before it breaks. And it's better quality.

I don't like SUVs b/c they suck gas unnecessarily. But if you can find one that is fuel efficient, fine. But you pretty much defeat the purpose of not getting an SUV by buying a 5.7 liter V8.


User currently offlineJRadier From Netherlands, joined Sep 2004, 4650 posts, RR: 50
Reply 17, posted (7 years 7 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2367 times:

Quoting Superfly (Thread starter):
V8



Quoting Superfly (Thread starter):
Also this vehicle is better for the environment compared to the underpowered crap she was considering.

yep, V8, really good for the enviroment :S



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User currently offlineAirCop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (7 years 7 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2367 times:

And what was your comission? After years of driving Dodges while on the job, it would almost take an act of congress for me to step onto a Chysler lot.

User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (7 years 7 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2358 times:

Ooh, I just saw the fuel consumption on that car with that engine: * 17 city / 25 hwy EPA est. mpg. (13.8 / 9.4 liters/100 km) That's not too good. But it is better than an SUV. Why doesn't she take the V-6 version?

Quoting 777236ER (Reply 12):
A 5.7 V8 petrol crap-looking estate car, and it's better for the environment than (say) a 3.0 diesel BMW X5?

I don't think they sell the diesel version in the US. US laws need to be changed to provide a little more leeway for diesels. Right now, diesel cars are required to meet the same emissions standards as gasoline cars.


User currently offlineNoUFO From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 7917 posts, RR: 12
Reply 20, posted (7 years 7 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2319 times:

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 19):
diesel cars are required to meet the same emissions standards as gasoline cars.

With a diesel particle filter they easily do, don't they?



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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29705 posts, RR: 59
Reply 21, posted (7 years 7 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2290 times:

Quoting NoUFO (Reply 20):
With a diesel particle filter they easily do, don't they?

The problem is with US fuel, which traditionally has been not as highly refined as what you find in Europe or Japan.

That is why you see more particulates comming out of the stack of US trucks, and why our diesels have that "Clank" noise associated with them.

The only real problem with your actions Superfly is you put her in a "Dodge".

[Edited 2006-09-23 20:40:44]


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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39478 posts, RR: 75
Reply 22, posted (7 years 7 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2274 times:

There are no diesel cars sold in the state of California.

Some of you guys really need to read more carefully. I stated...

Quoting Superfly (Reply 3):
If you factor in the horsepower to gas milage ratio (340HP), these are some of the most eco-friendly vehicles on the market.

None of those crappy imports from Europe and Japan cames close to the Magnum in terms of horsepower and they only get a few extra miles per gallon.

Quoting FSPilot747 (Reply 16):
That thing probably gets the same mileage an H2 does.

You need to do your research before making post like that. The H2 gets 12 MPG, the Magnum gets 25.

Quoting AirCop (Reply 18):
And what was your comission?

She just asked me for advice. I gave her a recommendation and she took it.




Columba:
That Mercedes you posted cost significantly more than what she was willing to pay and the models sold here in California get worse milage than the Dodge Magnum.




Remember, she has a Ford Mustang GT convertible. Going to those goofy looking looking hybrids you guys posted would be a HUGE step down!



Bring back the Concorde
User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39478 posts, RR: 75
Reply 23, posted (7 years 7 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2272 times:

Quoting L-188 (Reply 21):
The only real problem with your actions Superfly is you put her in a "Dodge".

LOL!  Silly

If Ford imported the Aulstralian LTD model that Melpax posted, I certainly would have suggested that. She laughed at me when I suggested the Mercury Grand Marquis.  Smile



Bring back the Concorde
User currently offlineAC777LR From Canada, joined Apr 2006, 487 posts, RR: 42
Reply 24, posted (7 years 7 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2254 times:

Good Choice Superfly!!!! That car is built here In Canada too and I am a proud owner of one as well here is a pic of my car!!!






Member since April 2000
25 Post contains images Superfly : Actually it was her choice. I am glad that I recommended that car. That is a nice Magnum you have.
26 L-188 : An H2 is just a Chevy Tahoe with ugly sheetmetal. Hummer stopped production on the only one of their vehicles that I would have considered, the origi
27 Post contains images FlyingTexan : My friend, Superfly, lets look @ some stats, shall we? 2006 Lexus RX 330 Front Wheel Drive 3.3L V6 223HP 19/25 MPG 2006 Lexus RX 330 All Wheel Drive
28 L410Turbolet : He probably doesn't realize that. Just as he doesn't realize the absurdity of his Bush bashing and at the same time being apologist for Chavez/Castro
29 Post contains images AC777LR : I thought it was an RX 350 built in Canada's Cambridge Ontario plant (my home town) and a few of my friends work on that line
30 Luisde8cd : Poor Woman having you as friend... Thanks to you she got a vehicle which pollutes more or the same as the SUVs she wanted and in addition to that she
31 Post contains images Zippyjet : Not my favorite car but for your ladyfriend's needs I think you struck gold! Best of luck with her new rig. I hope she opted for the Sirius satellite
32 Post contains images Columba : Usually when I hear "Dodge" I have to think of:
33 Post contains images Rolfen : Dude, as a rule, underpowered crap is always better for the environment... You americans dont get it
34 Zippyjet : Is that the "Bundy Mo Bile?" The honey looks like Peg Bundy
35 Photopilot : You've got to be Friggin kidding. A HEMI.... just to drive her kids to soccer practice? Who the Frig needs a V8 Hemi in any car? In this day and age
36 Post contains links and images LOT767-300ER : You drove a Dodge Intrepid Police Interceptor didnt you? Im European and I wouldnt be caught dead in such shite as a RX330, X3 (One ugly lookin piece
37 JRadier : well, depends on wich speed you kiss that pole. However, I regularly drive a Ford Mondeo Ghia (stationcar) 1.8L V4 (yep, the normal car) wich is far
38 Pyrex : Someone pull out comparative road casualty statistics now, please.
39 Superfly : Where are you getting this information? The numbers you post prove that the Magnum gets the same milage as the imports you were advocating? Now every
40 AirCop : Superfly, the average age of a buyer or a Marquis in 70 years of age. Nope, Dodge Monoco's with 440's, next was the Dodge St. Regis and the worst POS
41 Post contains images Garri767 : obey your own rules!
42 Post contains images AC773 : If he's drunk enough to say that he'll get off A.net for the night, he's probably drunk enough to forget that he said that.
43 Garri767 : dang it, forgot my drunk chemistry, so that means if hes too drunk to realize hes drunk and is still posting will he be drunk enough to realize it? (
44 Post contains images AC773 : Incidentally, GKirk chose that very topic for his doctoral thesis. Tragically though, his degree was revoked when he vomited on the department head d
45 Post contains images Molykote : This is my taste in cars but that sounds like quite a deal! How did the $22k compare to sticker price? What incentives were on offer, etc? But I thou
46 Luisde8cd : Is that why American car makers are struggling to survive while Japanese and European car makers come to their help? Welcome to reality my friend. Th
47 Cfalk : I enjoy a V8 as much as anyone (I am currently struggling with myself - I desperately want to order myself a new Mustang GT). But I have to agree wit
48 LOT767-300ER : There are plenty of European and Asian automakers which died or almost died if it was not for Americans..let me refresh your mind: MG Rover (Dead), S
49 AndesSMF : From the Dodge website: "And while the new HEMI V8 engine gives Magnum the most horsepower in its class*, it also does what the old HEMI would find un
50 Cfalk : The numbers I quoted earlier are from the Dodge site, and include the effects of "MDS" BTW, does anyone remember the same system in GM cars (maybe on
51 Columba : That is right only for Chrysler and its sub-brands. Many of the Chrysler modells are based on Mercedes technology. The 300C is based on the old E-cla
52 AndesSMF : That is a good question. My answer is simple. My own car is a 4 cyl. Saturn Station wagon. The Sequoia is the family car, with no 4WD, since it was n
53 Post contains images Bruno : Fantastic, a car thread! Only on airliners.net could a car topic turn into a flame thread. Some of you guys need to get a grip and read the numbers yo
54 Eaglekeeper101 : True, the brands are available only in America, but the vehicles themselves, for the most part, have always been available in their countries of manu
55 JRadier : improvement on what? The old fuel stats? So from very very bad to very bad, what in improvement.
56 Bruno : I just don't get it. Will someone please school me a bit? All of us has all the information at our finger tips. What is everyone pissed about? Horsepo
57 777ER : Dodge is bringing the V6 model to the NZ market and it will become one of the cheapest priced vehicles in its class thats curently on the New Zealand
58 Post contains links 777ER : Superfly If you think the Falcon looks nice then you should look at the Falcon XR6, XR6 Turbo and XR8 range, as well as the FPV (Ford Performance Vehi
59 Cptkrell : S'Fly; you suggested and she chose a neat car. The overall profile is what the new gen Chevy Nomad should have been...if GM chose to go ahead w/ the p
60 Bruno : Same for a big screen TV, Nike tennis shoes made in sweatshops in China, or video games. This is a America. We are a free country. I am the farthest
61 Columba : I think the reason is that "Superfly" claimed that he convinced his friend to buy a more econoical or environmental car instead of a SUV. Since the c
62 Post contains links Melpax : The Ford Falcon that I posted earlier is also available in an LPG(CNG) version. LPG here is under half the price of petrol here, so it's popular with
63 Post contains images Gilligan : Wait, let me read that again........that's what I thought you said! Superfly, thanks for starting my day off with a gut buster. Damn near sprayed cof
64 Post contains images Cptkrell : 'Yep it is - that is where I have first heard the name of the brand "Dodge." ' Egads, Colombia...from a goofy movie? Just as a primer, the Dodge Broth
65 Columba : Well, Dodge has -untill recently never been on sale in Germany. We might have some brands here in Europe you in the States have never heard about.[Ed
66 Cptkrell : "Well your not going to be towing much of anything with that car." I'll concede that point readily, Gilligan. Owner's Manual lists 2000 lbs (907 kg) m
67 Post contains images Columba : It´s Columba no connection at all with Colombia Sure I heard the name "Dodge" later in a different context rather than a stupid TV show but being 10
68 Post contains images Checkraiser : "Dodge is a damn fine automobile" Superfly, Your girl made a good pick. Not many women would opt for the 8. Ignore the pinko commies who say she shou
69 Post contains images Columba : If you buy a car because it is fun drive nobody would have said anything. But if you claim to have chosen a car with a V8 engine and 340HP because it
70 L410Turbolet : I hope you do realize the irony of your suggestion?
71 Checkraiser : LMAO!
72 Luisde8cd : That's not the point Bruno. The point here is that this guy comes into a internet forums and posts a thread claiming that he helped the environment b
73 Dan2002 : All you guys suggesting Lexus RX series seem to forget that the price starts around $37,000 and the BMW X3 starts around $36,000. Thats more than $14,
74 AC773 : Well, 'Fly mentioned that she was considering those cars (plus a Merc) in the thread starter, so she obviously had plenty of cash to lay down. That s
75 Srbmod : The Hemis of today are actually environmentally friendly; in fact some of the V-6s Dodge and Chrysler currently use in their other vehicles are more p
76 L-188 : Good Primer Cptkrell. Correct me if I am wrong but before striking out on their own, Dodge designed and built the bodywork for the Model T and A. Last
77 AC773 : That's true, but the tests are meant primarily for the sake of comparison. For example, I could walk into a dealership and find out that car abc has
78 Post contains images Gilligan : Is there a third row seat? I never checked but from the size of the deck assumed that it would be to small to accomodate anyone other than small chil
79 Cptkrell : L-188; Dodge's primary envolvement with Ford products was manufacture of chassis, engines and transmissions in the 'teens/early twenties. Dodge became
80 Post contains images Cornish : I take it the clincher to the argument was to point out that no-one EVER looks cool driving an SUV   *well except maybe ANC's cap [Edited 2006-09-25
81 Aerobalance : I'm still trying to figure this out statement.
82 Post contains images PHLBOS : And HOW MUCH more does the Lexus RX cost? Average MPG (which is also the CAFE figure for each vehicle engine) using the EPA estimate figures above: L
83 Slider : I agree...that MDS feature is nice, but if 25 mpg is the max highway rating WITH that feature, then that wagon is no better than the vey SUVs that Su
84 Post contains images Superfly : PHLBOS: Thanks for taking the time to actually read what I had post. Glad to see some logic chime in this thread. All the others see is 'Dodge V8 hemi
85 WildcatYXU : I don't understand why is everybody bashing Superfly for recommending the Magnum to his friend. The Magnum is a decent car and on the end of the day w
86 Post contains images L410Turbolet : Following you around? Someone's getting waay too paranoid, methinks. And as far as your views, well I disagree with almost single one of them, cars o
87 Post contains images AC773 : Many (if not most) "American" cars are built in Canada or Mexico these days, and many "import" companies have factories in the US. If you really want
88 WildcatYXU : Well, I think they do, since our portfolio isn't limited only to our brands. For instance, part of it is a beer coming from a certain brewery in Smic
89 Post contains images L410Turbolet : a) I was just teasing you, I am strong believer in buying domestic stuff myself. b) Is that beer from "certain Smichov brewery" Staropramen??? Disgra
90 WildcatYXU : Oh, that hurts. What's wrong with the stuff?
91 VonRichtofen : What about the BMW 3 series wagon or Volvo wagon? Both will get the job done and will be way more economical than some Nascar Dad ride like the magnum
92 WildcatYXU : You can't compare the Magnum withe BMW 3 series. There is absolutely no space in these things. They look and ride fantastic, but... Series 5 would be
93 Cptkrell : "...BMW 3 series wagon vs wagon or Volvo wagon?" ... vs "...some NASCAR Dad ride like the Magnum."... By far one of the best posts in any forum on any
94 Post contains images Superfly : See what I mean Bruno? Some people just hate domestic cars no matter how great thay are. It's silly. This thread has over 90 post with many people sa
95 Luisde8cd : Hmm yeah right. I don't hate your political views, I just find them to be 100% hypocrisy. And in Venezuelan threads add 150% ignorance too. Look at y
96 Post contains images Superfly : See what I mean Bruno? The guy is even predictable too.
97 Post contains images LOT767-300ER : ROFLMAO. Someone hold me. Do you think I dont know that Scion, Infiniti and Acura are foreign? Heres a little bit more fun facts you tit bit. 1. Acur
98 Columba : This thread was not about American cars vs. European or Japanese cars. In fact there are many American cars that I really like even SUVs. The old Jeep
99 Glydrflyr : In my limo service, we have only Lincoln Town Cars, Executive L Series, (123.7" wheelbase), all of which have many hundreds of thousands of miles on
100 Flight152 : In the original post, she was considering an X3, and the 3-series wagon is pretty close cargo-space wise to an X3.
101 WildcatYXU : Oh yeah, an old European belief that smaller engines are more fuel efficient than larger ones. I have news for you, they aren't. Some time ago (in fa
102 Superfly : 100+ post and you still just don't get it, do you? The numbers have been broken down for you as well. I've been saying that for years at this site! G
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