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Nirvana's Nevermind Album  
User currently offline102IAHexpress From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1156 posts, RR: 3
Posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 2042 times:



It’s been 15 years since Nevermind. IMO probably the most overrated album from the most overrated band of the last 20 years, but I’m curious what were you guys doing when this album came out? Did you own it on Tape or CD?

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User currently offlineThom@s From Norway, joined Oct 2000, 11951 posts, RR: 47
Reply 1, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 2037 times:

Never actually owned the album, but have it in mp3. Many great classics on there.

Thom@s



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User currently offlineKieron747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 2034 times:

Quoting 102IAHexpress (Thread starter):
It’s been 15 years since Nevermind. IMO probably the most overrated album from the most overrated band of the last 20 years,

At last, someone else agrees with me. I always thought Nirvana were shit. It used to annoy me how everyone at my college used to listen to it, all covered in zits with floppy hair and trench coats with badges attached. JUST SOD OFF!

Quoting 102IAHexpress (Thread starter):
Did you own it on Tape or CD?

Never owned it, never will. Have heard it though, and to be honest, would rather listen to a motorway.

 Wink

Kieron747


User currently offline102IAHexpress From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1156 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 2021 times:

Quoting Kieron747 (Reply 2):
I always thought Nirvana were shit. It used to annoy me how everyone at my college used to listen to it, all covered in zits with floppy hair and trench coats with badges attached. JUST SOD OFF!

LOL...You’re a bit harsh on Nirvana, although you’re right about the trench coats with badges.



All in all, I like the album and I think it’s a good album.
But it’s not a great album, it does not transcend time like a great album should, and IMO their sophomore album was very similar to their freshman album, so I never understood why Bleach is not considered the defining album of generation X.


User currently offlineDon81603 From Canada, joined Jul 2005, 1185 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 1963 times:

I owned it on tape and CD. Wasn't a bad album, but not that great either. Was just another album in the collection.


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User currently offlineBushpilot From South Africa, joined Jul 2007, 0 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 1958 times:

I think what everyone is overlooking here is what the album represents, and that is a transition. Prior to it, the rock music on the commercial scene was full of make up wearing, tights wearing, ballad singing primadonnas. It isnt my favorite Nirvana album, Incesticide is. But Nevermind legitimized to the commercial scene the "grundge" movement. Without this album Pearl Jam nor any notable bands of the 90s would have been around.

User currently offlineCopaair737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1952 times:

In Utero was Nirvana's best album. Nevermind was OK, but I think that In Utero was the best...it was more raw and dark than Nevermind.

-Copa


User currently offlineAA61Hvy From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 13977 posts, RR: 57
Reply 7, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1947 times:

Nevermind was my first CD I ever bought ('92 I think) along with Smashing Pumpkins 'Siamese Dream.' It's a good CD. Overrated? I think Smells Like Teen Spirit is an overrated song, but the CD itself is not overrated. Lithium is a great song.


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User currently offlineNewark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 30
Reply 8, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1941 times:

Quoting Bushpilot (Reply 5):
I think what everyone is overlooking here is what the album represents, and that is a transition.

That's true, but everyone gives Kurt Cobain way too much credit than he deserves. If he hadn't shot himself people wouldn't think so highly of him. It's the JFK effect.

When you are more well know for your death than your music, there's something wrong.

Harry



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User currently offlineVikkyvik From United States of America, joined exactly 11 years ago today! , 9799 posts, RR: 26
Reply 9, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1922 times:
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I owned Nevermind on CD. Was one of the first CD's I ever owned.

While I don't think Nirvana was particularly great talent-wise, one cannot deny their influence that helped shape the 90s, and helped breed current trends in music (for better or for worse).

What also shouldn't be overloooked is that if you're just starting out on guitar, as I was in the mid nineties, Nirvana was a great band with which to start out. The songs aren't too hard, but they can still rock.

Quoting 102IAHexpress (Reply 3):
But it’s not a great album, it does not transcend time like a great album should, and IMO their sophomore album was very similar to their freshman album, so I never understood why Bleach is not considered the defining album of generation X.

Well, I'd have to say that it DOES in fact transcend time due specifically to its influence. Not for any virtuostic playing or anything, though.

Quoting Bushpilot (Reply 5):
I think what everyone is overlooking here is what the album represents, and that is a transition. Prior to it, the rock music on the commercial scene was full of make up wearing, tights wearing, ballad singing primadonnas. It isnt my favorite Nirvana album, Incesticide is. But Nevermind legitimized to the commercial scene the "grundge" movement. Without this album Pearl Jam nor any notable bands of the 90s would have been around.

Indeed. Nirvana sort of took what Guns n Roses started (raw rock music) and brought it even further "down" while also simplifying it. GnR still had some glam aspects, and obviously were good at their instruments, but they were by no means a polished glam band.

Quoting Copaair737 (Reply 6):
In Utero was Nirvana's best album. Nevermind was OK, but I think that In Utero was the best...it was more raw and dark than Nevermind.

Worth noting that In Utero was also the album that actually came closest to living up to Cobain's expectations in terms of songs and especially production and sound. He thought Nevermind's production was too polished. In Utero maintained a much rawer sound.

~Vik



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User currently offlineBushpilot From South Africa, joined Jul 2007, 0 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 1904 times:

Quoting Newark777 (Reply 8):
That's true, but everyone gives Kurt Cobain way too much credit than he deserves. If he hadn't shot himself people wouldn't think so highly of him. It's the JFK effect.

When you are more well know for your death than your music, there's something wrong.

I dont mean any disrespect, but by your profile it says 16-20, so I think if you would have been old enough to pay attention to music at that point, you would realise that Cobain was a rock star already and it was not his death that brought his name into the news, it was already there.

Quoting AA61Hvy (Reply 7):
I think Smells Like Teen Spirit is an overrated song, but the CD itself is not overrated. Lithium is a great song.

I agree, there are some other great tracks on the album, Lithium is a favorite, but I also like on a plain, breed, and of course come as you are. Nirvana rocks, I was a big fan before Kurts death, I was crushed when I heard the news, although it is not my favorite Nirvana album, it is a good one.


User currently offlineLHMARK From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 7255 posts, RR: 47
Reply 11, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1888 times:

I liked the album, but to me it was nothing groundbreaking. Dave Grohl himself said he thought "Smells like Teen Spirit" was a total Pixies ripoff.

In a way, it's the album that ruined alternative music, being thrust from the bargain bin into the mainstream and generating a flurry of signings and marketing binges on the part of the record labels.



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User currently offlineMainMAN From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 2097 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1886 times:

Slagging off music is a bit puerile IMO.

I've got a CD (in 1990/1 people didn't really buy tapes). I saw Nirvana at Bradford University in the UK, and it was excellent.


User currently offlineDeltaGator From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 6341 posts, RR: 13
Reply 13, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1882 times:

Quoting 102IAHexpress (Thread starter):
It’s been 15 years since Nevermind.

And 15 years since you were between the ages of 6 and 10 according to your profile. I love folks that trash music they weren't listening to when it was out at first.  sarcastic 

Quoting Newark777 (Reply 8):
everyone gives Kurt Cobain way too much credit than he deserves. If he hadn't shot himself people wouldn't think so highly of him.

Perhaps, but what I think would have happened would be that Nirvana would be seen as a bit of a joke trying to hold onto the grunge scene while other bands, Pearl Jam being one, evolved into something else.

Quoting LHMARK (Reply 11):
In a way, it's the album that ruined alternative music, being thrust from the bargain bin into the mainstream and generating a flurry of signings and marketing binges

And responsible for the crap that passes as music today. Damn you Kurt Cbain for causing Limp Biskit to be unleashed on the world!

Quoting LHMARK (Reply 11):
I liked the album, but to me it was nothing groundbreaking. Dave Grohl himself said he thought "Smells like Teen Spirit" was a total Pixies ripoff.

So true. The Pixies kicked ass many years before Nirvana got out of short pants.



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User currently offlineRJ111 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1874 times:

NIRVANA ARE ONLY OVERRATED BY 12-YEAR OLDS!!!

People like me think they were a fairly decent band - not there best band ever, not the worst - regardless of whether he's dead or alive today. And that's a fair rating i believe. Cobain wasn't a great technical musician, but he was naturally a very good songwriter.

Don't let a bunch of 12-year olds effect your opinion.


User currently offlineThom@s From Norway, joined Oct 2000, 11951 posts, RR: 47
Reply 15, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1863 times:

Every time I see a skater type guy with a Nirvana shirt or sweater with the yellow smiley-face on (there are at least 700 of them in the Newcastle area) I feel like ripping their arm of and beating them over the head with it...

Thom@s



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User currently offlineBill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8440 posts, RR: 8
Reply 16, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1861 times:

I never really got into nirvana. I suppose I was a bit young, and they were the emo band of the 90's. It was a bit early for me to be emo I suppose.

User currently offlineAA61Hvy From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 13977 posts, RR: 57
Reply 17, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1849 times:

This question arises:

Would Nirvana be as big as they are if Kurt was still around? Or did his death really increase popularity and put him with the ranks of Joplin, Morrison, and Hendrix?



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User currently offlineVikkyvik From United States of America, joined exactly 11 years ago today! , 9799 posts, RR: 26
Reply 18, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1846 times:
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Quoting AA61Hvy (Reply 17):
Would Nirvana be as big as they are if Kurt was still around? Or did his death really increase popularity and put him with the ranks of Joplin, Morrison, and Hendrix?

Incidentally, all four of them died at the age of 27.

Nirvana's musical influence was already profound by the time Cobain died, and Seattle had already produced some huge sellers (Nirvana, Soundgarden, Pearl Jam, Alice in Chains).

Also, Dave Grohl still being around with the Foo Fighters helps I'm sure. I don't think there's anyone who knows the Foo Fighters who doesn't know that Grohl was Nirvana's drummer.

~Vik



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User currently offlineAA61Hvy From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 13977 posts, RR: 57
Reply 19, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 1844 times:

Quoting Vikkyvik (Reply 18):

Also, Dave Grohl still being around with the Foo Fighters helps I'm sure. I don't think there's anyone who knows the Foo Fighters who doesn't know that Grohl was Nirvana's drummer

This is true. Grohl is really something else. He has to be one of the most talented musicians on any instrument out there.

Kris Novesellic (spelling?) hasn't done much from what I hear. Isn't he involved with PETA or WWF or something like that?



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User currently offlineVikkyvik From United States of America, joined exactly 11 years ago today! , 9799 posts, RR: 26
Reply 20, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1840 times:
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Quoting AA61Hvy (Reply 19):
This is true. Grohl is really something else. He has to be one of the most talented musicians on any instrument out there.

Funny enough, I'm not a big fan of Grohl on drums or guitar. While he might be supremely talented on either/or, I don't think he's ever really shown it in any recorded work.

Then again, I don't know the Foo Fighters' whole body of work.

Quoting AA61Hvy (Reply 19):
Kris Novesellic (spelling?) hasn't done much from what I hear. Isn't he involved with PETA or WWF or something like that?

I remember reading an article in a Guitar World (or something) a few years back that he had started another band...something more country-ish if memory serves. Aside from that, I don't know what he's been up to. He actually had some reasonably creative bass lines in Nirvana (about as creative as you can be within that band's framework).

~Vik



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User currently offlineAA61Hvy From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 13977 posts, RR: 57
Reply 21, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1838 times:

Quoting Vikkyvik (Reply 20):
I don't know what he's been up to. He actually had some reasonably creative bass lines in Nirvana (about as creative as you can be within that band's framework).

Like Michael Anthony from Van Halen...Two different sounding notes for every song  Wink



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User currently offlineVikkyvik From United States of America, joined exactly 11 years ago today! , 9799 posts, RR: 26
Reply 22, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1833 times:
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Quoting AA61Hvy (Reply 21):
Like Michael Anthony from Van Halen...Two different sounding notes for every song

 rotfl 

Hey, really simple playing can work wonders when done well. Reference Phil Rudd (drums) and Cliff Williams (bass) from ACDC - one of my favorite rhythm sections. Was blasting Back In Black on the way to work this morning - those songs groove, and yet there are so few extraneous notes played!

You know, I think what really bugs me about Grohl is when he tries to scream - he just sounds like a pussy  Smile



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User currently offlineDeltaGator From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 6341 posts, RR: 13
Reply 23, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1833 times:

Quoting AA61Hvy (Reply 17):
Would Nirvana be as big as they are if Kurt was still around?

NO. I doubt they would be around even if he was still alive. The demons he was facing with drugs, booze, and popularity (boo frickin' hoo) would have ripped the band apart eventually. Whole he was the face and voice of Nirvana I think you would have seen Grohl trying to get some of his stuff heard thus causing a bit of a riff among them. Of course we'll never know now that he went and blew his brains out like a selfish pussy.

Quoting AA61Hvy (Reply 17):
Or did his death really increase popularity and put him with the ranks of Joplin, Morrison, and Hendrix?

While he had an influence on the current music scene I wouldn't put him in the same group of Morrison or Hendrix. Joplin to me was a debateable singer and not worthy of the same feelings as the other two.



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User currently offlineDesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7760 posts, RR: 16
Reply 24, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1833 times:

Musically I think the early 90s were an interesting time. Genres that were previously underground, stormed into the suburbs; grunge rock (or more broadly alternative rock) and gangsta rap. You get white suburban kids listening to Kurt Cobain and Snoop Dogg, and sell shit loads of records.

While Nirvana was a game changer I still think Pearl Jam is the better band and has (obviously) been able to continue to do their thing to this day. But I would not go as far as saying Nirvana was overrated. Part of their success is that the record industry saw them as a marketable commodity. I am sure there were plenty of grunge, for the lack of a better word, bands in Seattle and elsewhere that were better by any measure, but they wouldn't have had the mass appeal that Nirvana had.



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25 Post contains links Don81603 : I'll second that. Both are extremely talented (shown on a few selected tracks from AC/DC. Inject the Venom for Phil, and Love Hungery Man and Sin Cit
26 AA61Hvy : Though I did see an interveiw with him saying he never wanted to become famous etc. But then again he may have been trying to play a part of the 'mis
27 Chugach : You just nailed it. Nevermind, while still a great album, is far from being The Wall by Pink Floyd, or anything similar to that. What Nevermind did i
28 AA61Hvy : I don't know about that one. The RHCP were in the SoCal funk/rock wave and were far from grunge. To the average music listener Nirvana and the Pepper
29 Post contains images Rolfen : It was revolutionnary at the time and it's still unique. You have to remember what the music scene was back then
30 F9Animal : I could not stand Nirvana when I lived in Vegas. When I moved to Seattle (after Cobains death), I became a fan. Not sure if it is the rain, or just a
31 102IAHexpress : WTF? Where in any of my posts am I trashing Nirvana? For your information I had the album when it first came out, actually maybe even before it came
32 N1120A : Um, I think you answered your own question. Both Nirvana is one of the seminal bands in music history and their range as well as influence cannot be
33 NorthstarBoy : when it comes to music, i have a category of favorite songs called "songs i can listen to 15 times in a row" Come as you are is in that category, as i
34 Post contains links and images LHMARK : But that didn't happen in a vacuum. When Nevermind was first released, it was all but ignored and dumped in the $5.99 bin. That's how far talent and
35 102IAHexpress : Um, I said I liked the album, and I said I think it’s a good album. Reading comprehension, maybe you’ll learn it one day?
36 N1120A : I comprehend what you wrote just fine. Just because you got caught being two faced doesn't mean you now resort to insults.
37 102IAHexpress : What insults? I said I liked the album, but at the same time I also think it’s not the greatest most influential album ever as some would claim, ho
38 N1120A : Describing something or someone (in this case, both) as overrated is an insult, no matter how you decided to modify it later.
39 Fumanchewd : Nirvana was ok. The Nirvana MTV Unplugged album is AWESOME.
40 102IAHexpress : So by calling Nirvana and Nevermind overrated, I treated them with gross insensitivity, insolence, or contemptuous rudeness? I think after you figure
41 IFEMaster : This is an interesting question. Joplin's status is sometimes questionable, Hendrix without a doubt deserves to be up there as one of the direction-c
42 DeltaGator : Interesting question to be pondered. He was well on his way to being the early "Fat Elvis" at that point. Perhaps he would have become a little bit o
43 N1120A : I think those comments just about fit them. Yes, the comment was insolent.
44 Chugach : I think Cobain and Nirvana would still be remembered if he were still alive. Reason being is that the band had a huge effect on rock music at that ti
45 N1120A : Jim and The Doors brought blues back into popular music and perfectly blended it with a strong rock undertone. Jim's voice and delivery brought forth
46 RootsAir : First time I heard about the album was when a girl told me "Have you bought nirvana's CD with the circumcised baby" I'll always remeber that comment !
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