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Opera Cancelled On Possibility Of Muslim Anger  
User currently offlineDeltaGator From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 6341 posts, RR: 13
Posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 2696 times:

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/europe/09/27/berlin.opera.ap/index.html

So let me get this one straight.

Berlin is cancelling an opera that has been running for three years because they are worried Muslims might get upset and cause a ruckus like they did after the whole cartoon incident.

Granted, the opera has a scene in it where King Idomeneo holds up the severed heads of Poseidon, Mohammed, Jesus and Buddha and that scene was added to the Mozart opera by the director but enough is enough. You don't see Christians, Buddhists, and Greeks throwing a royal hissy fit in the streets because someone dared criticize their religion. It's getting about damn near annoying how childish the Muslim community is over these things. If you want to be respected in the world then please act like adults.

According to the article the Muslim community is split on the decision with the leader of the Turkish Muslims in Germany saying that it is time Muslims accept freedom of expression in art. At least one seems to get it. Let's see if his opinion is met with disdain or will other Muslims hop on board with a somewhat enlightened viewpoint.


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User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 2685 times:

Quoting DeltaGator (Thread starter):
Berlin is cancelling an opera that has been running for three years because they are worried Muslims might get upset and cause a ruckus like they did after the whole cartoon incident.

Bingo . . . you got it.

Pretty damned sad isn't it . . . speaks volumes about our Muslim brethren and their "sensitivities". I guess it beats having your embassies burned down, your railroad stations bombed and your aircraft attacked though . . .   

[Edited 2006-09-27 13:40:30]

[Edited 2006-09-27 13:42:46]

User currently offlineCosec59 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 2685 times:

Quoting DeltaGator (Thread starter):
the opera has a scene in it where King Idomeneo holds up the severed heads of Poseidon, Mohammed, Jesus and Buddha

What really pisses me of with this, is the fact that people aren't worried about the anger of Christians and Buddists.
Why worry about the anger of just one religion?
Apart from the fact it's more likely to be a Muslim that will bomb the opera house rather than a Christian or Buddist


User currently offlineQR332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 2675 times:

You guys are talking like Muslims burned down the damn opera... pathetic!

If they chose to close the opera because they are worried about something, it doesn't suddenly mean that what you have in mind will happen. After all, it has been running for 3 years without any problems, right?


User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 2670 times:

Quoting QR332 (Reply 3):
You guys are talking like Muslims burned down the damn opera... pathetic!

No what's pathetic is that the Opera was cancelled for fear that is exactly what WOULD happen. Now that's fuckin' pathetic. Period. End.


User currently offlineHalls120 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 2670 times:

Quoting Cosec59 (Reply 2):
Quoting DeltaGator (Thread starter):
the opera has a scene in it where King Idomeneo holds up the severed heads of Poseidon, Mohammed, Jesus and Buddha

What really pisses me of with this, is the fact that people aren't worried about the anger of Christians and Buddists.
Why worry about the anger of just one religion?
Apart from the fact it's more likely to be a Muslim that will bomb the opera house rather than a Christian or Buddist

People aren't worried about the reaction of Christians and Buddhists to insults directed at their religions, because Christians and Buddhists don't stage mass riots and engage in violence when such insults occur.

IOW, Islam has a pretty thin skin, it would appear.


User currently offlineCosec59 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 2670 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 4):
No what's pathetic is that the Opera was cancelled for fear that is exactly what WOULD happen. Now that's fuckin' pathetic. Period. End.

Absolutely correct


User currently offlineMyt332 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 9112 posts, RR: 70
Reply 7, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 2661 times:

Well I think it's right they should cancel the opera.





















They suck!

[Edited 2006-09-27 13:50:28]


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User currently offlineAloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8702 posts, RR: 43
Reply 8, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 2650 times:

Quoting DeltaGator (Thread starter):
Berlin is cancelling an opera that has been running for three years because they are worried Muslims might get upset and cause a ruckus like they did after the whole cartoon incident.

One small correction, what I heard that the opera last ran three years ago, not since then.

Other than that -  banghead  AFAIK, there hasn't even been an actual threat but just an "anonymous hint" at possible protest. This country has gone through car bombings, politically motivated abuctions, neo nazi terror and lastly an almost successful Madrid-style bomb attack - and now some people don't even consider putting an X-ray machine at the entrance, but cnacel the opera right away? What good's that supposed to be?



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User currently offlineBill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8442 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 2639 times:

It's rather ironic isn't it? here we are forgetting our own culture to please another yet they continue to dennouce ours. Why do we bother to please these people?

User currently offlineDeltaGator From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 6341 posts, RR: 13
Reply 10, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 2622 times:

Quoting Aloges (Reply 8):
One small correction, what I heard that the opera last ran three years ago, not since then.

From the article..."Kirsten Harms, director of Berlin's Deutsche Oper, announced "with great regret" that she had decided to cancel the three year old production after state security officials warned it could provoke dangerous reactions in the current politically charged climate."

Sounds like it was running to me though perhaps the article is wrong.

Quoting Bill142 (Reply 9):
It's rather ironic isn't it? here we are forgetting our own culture to please another yet they continue to dennouce ours. Why do we bother to please these people?

I don't know and I'm getting about tired of it because of crap like this one.

Quoting QR332 (Reply 3):
You guys are talking like Muslims burned down the damn opera... pathetic!

No, we're talking because the Muslims might burn it down thus causing the Krauts to cave in and cancel the opera ahead of an issue. Fricking ridiculous!

From the article...The leader of Germany's Islamic Council welcomed the move, saying a depiction of Mohammed with a severed head "could certainly offend Muslims." But in an interview with German radio, Ali Kizilkaya added: "I think it is horrible that one has to be afraid ... That is not the right way to open dialogue."

Even a german Muslim leader gets that the temper tantrums being thrown by his folks is not helping their cause. Why can't the masses get it as well?



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User currently offlineAloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8702 posts, RR: 43
Reply 11, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 2619 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 1):
speaks volumes about our Muslim brethren and their "sensitivities"

Some... about some and their "sensitivities". I can hardly recall seeing anyone right in this forum cheering the torching of embassies or other displays of fanaticism.

On the other hand, there's been plenty of "bomb them" and "turn the whole place into one giant parking lot" rhetoric. Anyone would get defensive if (s)he was constantly lumped together with extremists just because those claim to follow the same religion.

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 10):
Sounds like it was running to me though perhaps the article is wrong.

Could be - it doesn't matter that much anyway, when it was first played years ago no one except the feuilleton even noticed it.

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 10):
Why can't the masses get it as well?

How well do you know what "the masses" are doing/thinking? Like I said, there hasn't even been more than an anonymous hint AFAIK, and certainly no massive protest.

That said, the ignorance and arrogance of some male muslim teenagers interviewed on what Ratzinger had said about Islam was astonishing - one didn't even know one bit of the speech yet was still threatening to beat him up. Other however didn't agree with the notion that Ratzinger had offended anyone.

[Edited 2006-09-27 14:13:47]


Walk together, talk together all ye peoples of the earth. Then, and only then, shall ye have peace.
User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 2614 times:

Quoting Aloges (Reply 11):
Anyone would get defensive if (s)he was constantly lumped together with extremists just because those claim to follow the same religion.

Point taken - but if the combat boot fits . . . . . as the old saying goes.

I also don't see a hell of a lot of condemnation here either . . . . . 'golden silence' more often. Or outright support.


User currently offlineAloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8702 posts, RR: 43
Reply 13, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 2600 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 12):
Or outright support.

But please, where? I hardly agree, to put it very mildly, with extremism, but in all honesty I could probably not find an a.net thread containing said outright support.

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 12):
golden silence

 checkmark 

However, you need to take one thing into account: Some of the more... vocal conservative members (neocon chickenhawks, in blunt words) race to flock to most threads on anything remotely connected to Middle East issues. They won't listen to anyone who doesn't support their views entirely, and they'll lash out insults and belittlements at anyone offering a different perspective. Hence it's no wonder few if any moderate Middle Easterners are ever seen in those threads.



Walk together, talk together all ye peoples of the earth. Then, and only then, shall ye have peace.
User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 2600 times:

For all those bitching and moaning about this, remember the Christian outrage, demonstrations and anger at the Jerry Springer opera in the UK, and the Sikh protests at an apparently anti-Sikh play in Birmingham. This isn't limited to one religion.

User currently offlineHalls120 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 2596 times:

Quoting 777236ER (Reply 14):
For all those bitching and moaning about this, remember the Christian outrage, demonstrations and anger at the Jerry Springer opera in the UK, and the Sikh protests at an apparently anti-Sikh play in Birmingham. This isn't limited to one religion.

And were any opera houses burned during the Springer protest? Any actors killed or injured?


User currently offlineAloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8702 posts, RR: 43
Reply 16, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 2590 times:

Quoting 777236ER (Reply 14):
This isn't limited to one religion.

Exactly - as long as there are "Christians" violating the law of their own God by murdering e.g. abortion doctors or demagogues such as Fred Phelps, we need not spend much time on looking for the proverbial dirt on our own doorsteps.

It's extremism that turns people into murderers, not their faith.

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 15):
And were any opera houses burned during the Springer protest? Any actors killed or injured?

Were any actors killed in this case? Any opera houses burnt? Will we ever know what would have happened without the international media coverage?

[Edited 2006-09-27 14:27:08]


Walk together, talk together all ye peoples of the earth. Then, and only then, shall ye have peace.
User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 2585 times:

Quoting Aloges (Reply 13):
Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 12):
Or outright support.

But please, where?

Not a chance - I'm not lining myself up for a ban for pointing out the obvious. You're a damn smart man Aloges . . . you can figure it out.

Quoting Aloges (Reply 13):

The Golden Silence isn't because they don't want to voice their opinion - rather it's tacit approval.

Simple as that.

Quoting Aloges (Reply 13):
Hence it's no wonder few if any moderate Middle Easterners are ever seen in those threads.

And to those gents here I apologize. I wish they'd feel free to come in to any thread for any reason.


User currently offlineAloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8702 posts, RR: 43
Reply 18, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 2577 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 17):
I'm not lining myself up for a ban for pointing out the obvious.

Oops... sorry.  footinmouth 

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 17):
I wish they'd feel free to come in to any thread for any reason.

Don't we all...  Wink



Walk together, talk together all ye peoples of the earth. Then, and only then, shall ye have peace.
User currently offlineHalls120 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 2571 times:

Quoting Aloges (Reply 16):
Quoting Halls120 (Reply 15):
And were any opera houses burned during the Springer protest? Any actors killed or injured?

Were any actors killed in this case? Any opera houses burnt? Will we ever know what would have happened without the international media coverage?

No, but given the events of the last 25 years, I'd say its far more likely that we will encounter violence resulting from an insult delivered to Islam than violence resulting from an insult to any other major religion.


User currently offlineAloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8702 posts, RR: 43
Reply 20, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 2559 times:

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 19):
No, but given the events of the last 25 years, I'd say its far more likely that we will encounter violence resulting from an insult delivered to Islam than violence resulting from an insult to any other major religion.

While that may be true, it's not the entire story in Germany's case. Terrorism has been the "specialty" of far-right and far-left political extremists in Germany for decades, which may have made us somewhat less sensitive towards religious fundamentalism.



Walk together, talk together all ye peoples of the earth. Then, and only then, shall ye have peace.
User currently offlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9269 posts, RR: 29
Reply 21, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 2531 times:

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 10):

Sounds like it was running to me though perhaps the article is wron

no, the production of the opera was about 3 years old and it way played before. This now is about 4 days in November where the production has been cancelled.

Part of the commentary today in "Die Welt", Churchill was quoted - Appeasement is feeding a Crocodile in the hope to be eaten last.

I certainly agree that the Western Culture is not everything, but a lot of the the values that form the Western Culture should be intregrated in other cultures. Freedom of speech is one of these high values.

We should not cave in to a religion that does not tolerate freedom of speech, we should fight for and defend our values. After the caricatures, after the ridiculous reaction on the Pope's speech and after this stupid decision in Berlin, just to mention these three, we are in free fall backwards behind the French Revolution and will wake up in the dark ages if we don't stand up now.



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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20479 posts, RR: 62
Reply 22, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 2513 times:

Come on you guys, opera isn't like a Broadway show. Name one western-style opera anywhere on earth, that's right, anyway on earth, that's played for a continuous year, let alone three.

Let's hear your list. Then we'll discuss the rest of the news item.



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User currently offlineOldeuropean From Germany, joined May 2005, 2085 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 2493 times:

Quoting DeltaGator (Thread starter):
Berlin is cancelling an opera that has been running for three years because they are worried Muslims might get upset and cause a ruckus like they did after the whole cartoon incident.

What do you mean with "Berlin"? Do you expect the German government to cancell a opera? The director of the opera house decided to cancell it.

But yes, her decission is silly and the exitement in Germany about it, shows that she is alone with her recreance, because of a threat, which by the way didn`t exist. Or did we overlook all these islamic fundamentalists sitting in her opera house, watching their performance of Mozart`s Idomeneo?  rotfl 
Now she has managed that every muslim in the world knows about this production. Now there comes the outraged protests from these idiots, which doesn`t know what about they are outraged. It`s like the speech of the pope. They not even didn`t know what the wording of his speech was.
I expect that she will loose her job soon.

Axel

[Edited 2006-09-27 16:55:11]


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User currently offlineMDorBust From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 2487 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 22):
Come on you guys, opera isn't like a Broadway show. Name one western-style opera anywhere on earth, that's right, anyway on earth, that's played for a continuous year, let alone three.

The Ring cycle.


25 AeroWesty : Name where it's sung year round on a continuous basis.
26 MDorBust : There will be a running in the Kennedy Center in 2008 I think the Aussies ran it in 2004 in Adelaide. Seattle has it running off and on. The Canadian
27 AeroWesty : I intend to do exactly that. Decipher this story and compare it apples to apples. I then intend to compare it to Salome that features the severed hea
28 MDorBust : You've imagined this claim. The only claims made were that the show had a three year production run. A three year production run for an opera may be
29 Jaysit : Well, you don't see others screaming in the streets. However, remember Andres Serrano’s “Piss Christ” that consisted of a crucifix submerged in
30 ME AVN FAN : - I am most astonished that the manager there cancelled the whole opera instead of instructing the "producer" (regisseur) to make a slight change of
31 Post contains images BMIFlyer : What a load of crap Muslims, please take note - if you think you won't like it, then don't go and watch it! Lee
32 ME AVN FAN : really ? - """" Kirsten Harms, director of Berlin's Deutsche Oper, announced "with great regret" that she had decided to cancel the three year old pr
33 Jaysit : What is incredibly remarkable is that the wrath of religious extremists of all stripes isn't vented against popular culture, but cultural expression a
34 Halls120 : No one is forcing muslims to attend the presentation of this show at gunpoint. It isn't being broadcast on worldwide TV. It is an artistic production
35 Post contains images Cornish : Its a shame A.net's resident opera diva JGP isn't around to pass comment
36 Post contains images ME AVN FAN : Maybe. B U T it is presumably rather "conservative" Christians who pay the considerable entry to the opera and may NOT be amused to see the beheaded
37 AeroWesty : No imagining at all. Don't those two posts say exactly that? Now, let's address another aspect of this. The opera isn't even being presented as writt
38 QR332 : BMIFlyer, please take notes - the Muslims didn't do anything and it wasn't them who decided to stop the opera!
39 Post contains images Halls120 : Right. I can see it now, Christians storming the opera house and burning it to the ground.
40 Aloges : Exactly. Again, all I have heard of was some sort of "anonymous hint" to "possible Muslim protests". As long as we don't know what that shady descrip
41 Post contains images Rolfen : Listen man, you cannot scare someone then blame him for being scared.
42 ME AVN FAN : Well, the idea of conservatively clad upper class Germans in tailcoats storming the opera house and burning it to the ground may be intriguing ! But
43 F9Animal : WTF? Are we being stripped of our freedoms because of religion? I almost feel like a hostage. This crap is getting old. I have a feeling that this tra
44 PanHAM : You're joking, right? If not, you don't have the slightest idea how Theatres are rtun, worse, you don't have the slightest idea of freedom of speech,
45 777236ER : Ditto Christians and Sikhs?
46 QR332 : Funny, coming from someone who used to live in Beirut. If thats the argument your going to use, then don't you think Muslims are also scared? All the
47 MDorBust : Where in those two posts is anything said comparing the opera to a broadway style production? As I said:
48 Luv2fly :
49 NoUFO : If the intendant urges the director to change a certain scene, it's of course not censorship, because only governmental authorities can censor news o
50 Post contains images ME AVN FAN : ok, let's drop the technicalities, and let's drop the politeness. The decision to cancel that performance simply was cowardly and stupid and un-neces
51 Jaysit : Look, stage a play in Chattanooga, TN or Greenville, SC in which a big fat guy lops off Jesus' head and then bursts into an aria, and I bet you'll ha
52 MDorBust : Seeing as how I first saw this production in Dallas, I'm going to need some verification on that.
53 ME AVN FAN : THIS is what is embarassing. The manager of that theatre realized that it might have created quite an uproar among her customers, and instead of clea
54 Gregtx : If you look back in history, far more anger, death, and destruction has been caused in the name of Christianity than in any other religion by far. So
55 Halls120 : Did any of those protesters burn down the venues or kill any of the performers? Did the Right wing fundamentalist ministers issue a order to have And
56 Rolfen : I still live there. I think there's no reason to be scared for muslims.
57 ME AVN FAN : And most of all, it was NOT Muslims who urged the manager to cancel but some un-named "security-perons" who did so. It was NOT Muslims who cancelled
58 PanHAM : sorry but censorship is censorship, regardless if by Government authorities or someone pulling rank in a theatre. Censorship can take place in people
59 ME AVN FAN : possibly not but talked as if it was done on demand of Muslims, and that was NOT the case. From everything available, it was done in fear of the cust
60 Post contains images DavestanKSAN : Maybe I'm tired but I read the thread title as "Oprah was Cancelled on Possibility of Muslim Anger." I though she gave cars away bought from that idio
61 Jaysit : No, but its all a matter of degree, isn't it? The institutions created over years in secular democracies have chastened religious fundamentalists ove
62 Post contains images Jaysit : Now that's something we can all support!!!!
63 Halls120 : If you believe there is but a minute degree of difference between Jerry Falwell complaining in the pulpit about how Christianity is being portrayed a
64 NoUFO : Then you should check your understanding of "censorship". If one intendant tells a director that she does not want him to show this or that, it's cer
65 Post contains images ANCFlyer : Bullshit. Security Officials wouldn't have done so without fear that the Muslim community would shit themselves like they did over a cartoon and a qu
66 Jaysit : Did I say there was "but a minute degree of difference?" Then why are you misquoting me? Or is that just your standard modus operandi? And are you in
67 Gregtx : Apparently, didn't see your original comments---my apologies.
68 Halls120 : How have I misquoted you? What part of "if you believe" don't YOU understand? I never said "Jaysit believes there is virtually no difference is but a
69 Post contains links ME AVN FAN : The representatives of practically all Muslim groups of Germany have requested a resumption of that opera, and are to watch it, together with German
70 Columba : News in Berlin is that the opera will be shown again and that Mrs. Kirsten Harms, the director of Berlin's Deutsche Oper will likely have to leave als
71 ANCFlyer : I consider all these things to be good things. Firstly, let me comment: Although no one in the Muslim community requested the opera be cancelled, you
72 ME AVN FAN : There will NOT be "riotous behaviour" occurring, as all will happen in a framework of extensive communication and discussion. While I admit that ther
73 ANCFlyer : And there should NOT be . . . that's the whole point here. If the opera had Jesus as the the Victim, I don't think anyone would blink twice about ext
74 Itsjustme : I liken this incident to one that occurred in Los Angeles California in August 2003. A trial for 2 Inglewood police officers had concluded and the jur
75 Windshear : I think this is rediculous, the figures of both Jesus, Poseidon and Buddha were also in the opera. I think this is people trying to be politically cor
76 ME AVN FAN : No, it of course should NOT be. But in view of recent problems, it most unfortunately is an undeniable fact. BUT, what is needed is courage. I when t
77 TNNH : blame israel, it was defiantely their fault. zionists are always ruining the world
78 Falcon84 : True, but if you look at recent events-Muslim violence over a cartoon and over the Holy Father's qouting something from ages ago, then what are peopl
79 EK156 : It seems like the non-aviation section of A.net has become a place to attack the Muslim World and Muslims left, right and center..... Waow!!! Some of
80 TERRA : Well it looks like it's back on according to my local paper after the local muslim leaders requested it not to be cancelled as it wouldn't cause offen
81 Falcon84 : While I don't agree with the cancellation of the show, I can understand why they did it. Sorry, TERRA, but the recent events of Islamic violence is w
82 Cairo : "Christian" anti-abortion activitsts fire bomb abortion clinics and environmentalists, animal activists and others DO practice and preach violence to
83 Post contains images ANCFlyer : One or two morons firebombing an abortion clinic is a 'walk in the park' compared to the housands - THOUSANDS - of Muslims that riot every time there
84 Falcon84 : Yes, many would ask for it to be shut down and not shown, but no one here would be worried about a violent, deadly reaction, as we see so often from
85 Cairo : First of all, the reaction in the Islamic World is in the Islamic World - what concern is that of anyone outside that world? If you're talking about
86 ME AVN FAN : then ? THEN it becomes easy to use "the Muslim danger" as cheap pretext for whomever interested, for instance an opera-manager fearing that the usual
87 Halls120 : What a ridiculous comparison. Are you going to tell us with a straight face that all the protests over the Danish cartoons were nothing more than a "
88 ME AVN FAN : the problem was NOT so much ALL the protests, the problem was some particular ACTIONS of fringe elements. To demonstrate in front of an embassy is on
89 Falcon84 : You're kidding, right? When the Islamic world goes berserk over a cartoon, or a quote from ages ago, requoted, the world shouldn't be concerned? You
90 HKA : Freedom of speech should have some boundries. Muslim have deep respect for the Prophets and to them the opera scene is much worse than a rasist attac
91 Halls120 : While I wouldn't say the violence is the only form of expression Muslims are capable of, it is a form of expression they are quick to resort to - mor
92 Falcon84 : Freedom of speech has a boundary-it's called responsibility. Other than that, there should be no boundaries, or else it isn't free speech. As for you
93 ME AVN FAN : THE Muslim World beserk ? Rubbish. SOME PEOPLE in the Muslim World went beserk, many people were angry. How THEY are going ? It rather is SOME .. goi
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