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Hostage Situation At CO High School  
User currently offlineCadet57 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 9085 posts, RR: 30
Posted (8 years 2 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 2858 times:

Just caught this on CNN.... lone gunman takes hostages at a high school. Says he has a bomb as well... One hostage released. More to follow


http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/09/27/school.shooting/index.html


ps, ran search...


Doors open, right hand side, next stop is Springfield.
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User currently offlineUsnseallt82 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 4891 posts, RR: 52
Reply 1, posted (8 years 2 months 4 days ago) and read 2827 times:

Quoting Cadet57 (Thread starter):
Hostage Situation At CO High School

I saw this on the news just a little while ago. Hopefully everything will work out soon.

Pathetic for someone to do this.  redflag 



Crye me a river
User currently offlineIFEMaster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (8 years 2 months 4 days ago) and read 2816 times:

I think this is another queue for a war of words between the NRA and the anti-gun crowd. It really is a shame that people feel compelled to do things like this.

User currently offlineCadet57 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 9085 posts, RR: 30
Reply 3, posted (8 years 2 months 4 days ago) and read 2803 times:

Quoting IFEMaster (Reply 2):
I think this is another queue for a war of words between the NRA and the anti-gun crowd.

I beg to differ. Im a hunter and avid shooter but I feel the NRA is a bunch of gun toting nut bags. What really needs to be done is that the government needs to make sure scum like this nut dont come to own or get guns. Now I dont know weather he had his guns legally or not. But for the sake of arguement, if he had them legally. He should not have been able to puchase them.



Doors open, right hand side, next stop is Springfield.
User currently offlineSearpqx From Netherlands, joined Jun 2000, 4344 posts, RR: 10
Reply 4, posted (8 years 2 months 4 days ago) and read 2789 times:

Quoting IFEMaster (Reply 2):
I think this is another queue for a war of words between the NRA and the anti-gun crowd.

I hope not, but I'm afraid you'll probably be proven correct.

Quoting Usnseallt82 (Reply 1):
Pathetic for someone to do this. redflag

Sad is more my feeling. Sad that someone gets messed up enough that can concieve of doing something this sick, sad that innocent kids are in danger, sad that its seems to be a regular occurance in our society these days.



"The two most common elements in the universe are Hydrogen and stupidity"
User currently offlineIFEMaster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (8 years 2 months 4 days ago) and read 2778 times:

Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 3):
I beg to differ. Im a hunter and avid shooter but I feel the NRA is a bunch of gun toting nut bags.



Quoting Searpqx (Reply 4):
I'm afraid you'll probably be proven correct.

Let me clarify a little what I meant. My wife and I own a gun (she is the registered owner as I was not a US citizen when it was purchased) that we keep in the house for protection purposes - anyone breaks in and they'll lose their kneecaps quicker than Chuck Norris could roundhouse them - and we both go to a local gun club every now and then to maintain the few shooting skills we need with our little pistol. I'm not entirely anti-gun by any means, but I am anti-weaponry-that-the-average-guy-doesn't-need-to-own. The laws surrounding gun ownership can be incredibly wide and allowing for what type of weapon a US citizen can purchase. There's just no need for Mr & Mrs Average with 2.4 kids to own an AK-47.

Unfortunately, the law does allow this. And whenever something happens like today's hold-up, or the Columbine shooting, etc., then the anti-gun lobby always come out pointing their fingers at the NRA. Like Cadet57, I too think that the NRA are trigger-happy nut-jobs, and what this country really needs is a sensible review of the guns laws that allow ownership within reason, and prevent nutters like today's hostage taker from ever getting their hands on a weapon.

Having said that, you never know what could drive a man over the edge. It's feesible that someone of upstanding nature, with a clean background and low temperament; someone who has all the qualities you'd want to see in someone entrusted with a firearm; could one day just crack - his wife leaves him for his best friend, he loses his job and car and house, his kids get killed by a drunk driver - grab his .45 and go looking for revenge...just a thought.


User currently offlineB777-700 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (8 years 2 months 4 days ago) and read 2774 times:

Quoting IFEMaster (Reply 5):
ving said that, you never know what could drive a man over the edge. It's feesible that someone of upstanding nature, with a clean background and low temperament; someone who has all the qualities you'd want to see in someone entrusted with a firearm; could one day just crack - his wife leaves him for his best friend, he loses his job and car and house, his kids get killed by a drunk driver - grab his .45 and go looking for revenge...just a thought

Right, so how do you stop that? Take away his gun?


User currently offlineIFEMaster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (8 years 2 months 4 days ago) and read 2770 times:

Quoting B777-700 (Reply 6):
Right, so how do you stop that? Take away his gun?

I don't know how you stop it; my point being that no matter how tight the gun laws are, short of an outright ban (that I can see both sides of the argument on), there will always be unfortunate situations like this.

What would your suggestion be?


User currently offlineCadet57 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 9085 posts, RR: 30
Reply 8, posted (8 years 2 months 4 days ago) and read 2770 times:

Thanks for clearing that up. I see your point now. Very good post. I agree with everything you say there. And the sad thing is is that it takes somethin like this or Columbine for americans to get their collective heads out of their rears and think... pisses me off because they then try to ruin it for the average gun owner and enthusiast..

Quoting IFEMaster (Reply 5):
I'm not entirely anti-gun by any means, but I am anti-weaponry-that-the-average-guy-doesn't-need-to-own

Such as deer hunters who carry an M-16 with armor piercing bullets... Why?



Doors open, right hand side, next stop is Springfield.
User currently offlineB777-700 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (8 years 2 months 4 days ago) and read 2763 times:

Quoting IFEMaster (Reply 7):
I don't know how you stop it; my point being that no matter how tight the gun laws are, short of an outright ban (that I can see both sides of the argument on), there will always be unfortunate situations like this.

What would your suggestion be?

Take away the guns.  Wink


User currently offlineNewark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 29
Reply 10, posted (8 years 2 months 4 days ago) and read 2763 times:

Quoting B777-700 (Reply 9):
Take away the guns.

Figure out a way to take the guns away from the gang members and the thugs, and you may be on to something. Besides that, your taking guns out of law abiding citizens, and your policy is useless.

Harry



Why grab a Heine when you can grab a Busch?
User currently offlineB777-700 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (8 years 2 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2754 times:

Quoting Newark777 (Reply 10):
Figure out a way to take the guns away from the gang members and the thugs, and you may be on to something. Besides that, your taking guns out of law abiding citizens, and your policy is useless.

Is it? What is your solution for this then...it happens a lot:

Quoting IFEMaster (Reply 5):
Having said that, you never know what could drive a man over the edge. It's feesible that someone of upstanding nature, with a clean background and low temperament; someone who has all the qualities you'd want to see in someone entrusted with a firearm; could one day just crack - his wife leaves him for his best friend, he loses his job and car and house, his kids get killed by a drunk driver - grab his .45 and go looking for revenge...just a thought.


User currently offlineSearpqx From Netherlands, joined Jun 2000, 4344 posts, RR: 10
Reply 12, posted (8 years 2 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2741 times:

Quoting IFEMaster (Reply 5):
Let me clarify a little what I meant.

Spot on, and I agree with you on all counts. I don't currently own a gun, but I grew up with them. If I lived in a situation/area where I felt it necessary, either for protection or food or even sport (target shooting), I wouldn't think twice about having another gun. But I do think our gun laws are a joke, and I think that the NRA's knee jerk reaction to any talk of gun control will only continure to polarize the issue, making it worse before it gets better.



"The two most common elements in the universe are Hydrogen and stupidity"
User currently offlineIFEMaster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (8 years 2 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2718 times:

Quoting B777-700 (Reply 9):
Take away the guns.

The problem with that is that you then incite rebuttals from groups like the ACLU (who I'm not a fan of, by the way), and you're also talking about a constitutional ammendment. The majority of gun owner are peaceful, law-abiding citizens who would pretty much revolt at the idea of someone taking their gun away.

I must admit that I wasn't keen on the idea of owning a gun when I first moved here, but with a father-in-law who is a retired LAPD officer, and a wife who grew up around his guns, I became comfortable with them. We live in a safe area, a gated community, that doesn't have a history of break-ins or anything like that. But, there are some nice homes down the road with some big-money living in them. They would be prime targets, and our proximity to them makes us a target too. We feel a bit safer knowing that if our burglar alarm goes off in the middle of the night, there is a loaded Kel-Tec .32 and a Mag-Lite just a few feet away.


User currently offlineHalcyon From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (8 years 2 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2696 times:

Well, aside from the gun debate, the shooter has been killed. I'm glad he was killed too, kudos to the SWAT team. My prayers are for the young lady who is in critical condition though. I hope she is fine, and her family staying strong.

 worried  What a terrible thing. People like that deserve to be ended.  Sad

Lucas


User currently offlineUsnseallt82 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 4891 posts, RR: 52
Reply 15, posted (8 years 2 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2687 times:

Quoting Searpqx (Reply 4):
Sad is more my feeling. Sad that someone gets messed up enough that can concieve of doing something this sick, sad that innocent kids are in danger, sad that its seems to be a regular occurance in our society these days.

Agreed.  checkmark 



Crye me a river
User currently offlineKsyr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (8 years 2 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2665 times:

Quoting B777-700 (Reply 11):
Is it? What is your solution for this then...it happens a lot:

There isn't one. Take away the gun and the man will use a knife, a car, scissors, a baseball bat...


User currently offlinePilotfox From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 553 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (8 years 2 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2660 times:

How long before the NRA comes and has a gun rally in the city?

User currently offlineCadet57 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 9085 posts, RR: 30
Reply 18, posted (8 years 2 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2653 times:

Quoting Pilotfox (Reply 17):
How long before the NRA comes and has a gun rally in the city?

3 weeks


 stirthepot 



Doors open, right hand side, next stop is Springfield.
User currently offlineNewark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 29
Reply 19, posted (8 years 2 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2651 times:

Quoting Pilotfox (Reply 17):
How long before the NRA comes and has a gun rally in the city?

How long before Rosie Odonnel and company get together and demand guns be taken from everyone in the country?

Harry



Why grab a Heine when you can grab a Busch?
User currently offlineMDorBust From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (8 years 2 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2643 times:

Quoting IFEMaster (Reply 5):
There's just no need for Mr & Mrs Average with 2.4 kids to own an AK-47.

Really? Is there any reason for this weapon?

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User currently offlineF9Widebody From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1604 posts, RR: 10
Reply 21, posted (8 years 2 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2608 times:

Quoting Halcyon (Reply 14):
My prayers are for the young lady who is in critical condition though. I hope she is fine, and her family staying strong.

She's now passed away.



YES URLS in signature!!!
User currently offlineVHVXB From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 5525 posts, RR: 18
Reply 22, posted (8 years 2 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2602 times:

Quoting F9Widebody (Reply 21):
Quoting Halcyon (Reply 14):
My prayers are for the young lady who is in critical condition though. I hope she is fine, and her family staying strong.

She's now passed away.

heres a link
http://www.theage.com.au/news/world/...ting/2006/09/28/1159337247927.html


User currently offlineGOCAPS16 From Japan, joined Jan 2000, 4358 posts, RR: 19
Reply 23, posted (8 years 2 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2598 times:

Just before the SWAT team arrived to rescue the girl, he shot her and then shot himself...killing both. Damn that fucker....

Kevin



SIX T'S!......TURN. TIME. TWIST. THROTTLE. TALK. TRACK.
User currently offlineThom@s From Norway, joined Oct 2000, 11955 posts, RR: 46
Reply 24, posted (8 years 2 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2598 times:

A tragedy indeed, but still given previous incidents like this, it could have ended a lot worse...

Thom@s



"If guns don't kill people, people kill people - does that mean toasters don't toast toast, toast toast toast?"
25 TWISTEDWHISPER : It would be interesting to see some stats on the following: On an annual basis: 1. How many crimes are stopped by armed civilians 2. How many people a
26 RichardPrice : To clarify, the NRA could not have moved that meeting as it was against the law to do so because they could not give all of their members attending t
27 Pilotaydin : i can't believe that poor girl had to go through that and die like that....what the hell is her family ever going to do now? im more scared of this wo
28 Thom@s : I'm just happy I went to school in Norway... Thom@s
29 Post contains links MDorBust : 1. According to very outdated DOJ numbers, approximately 82,500 annually. I suspect this number to have risen since the 1992 finding. http://www.ojp.
30 Post contains links and images ANCFlyer : Horsecrap. Why don't you take your own advice and spare us the same worn out, irrelevent, inane arguments about why responsible gun owners shouldn't
31 Post contains images Queso :
32 IFEMaster : I have no idea what your point is or what you're asking. It sounds like you're disagreeing with me, but then questioning the existence of the weapon.
33 Itsjustme : Just caught the press conference by Sheriff Fred Wegener who was charged with the decision to give the order to rush the gunman. Still no known motive
34 MDorBust : You've taken a stance against civilian ownership of certain types of firearms. I'm guessing that it's based on the "No practical purpose" reasoning.
35 Cadet57 : You named an M16/M4. Personally I dont feel that Joe or Jane Gunowner needs one. I beleive those should be reserved to Law Enforcement/Military train
36 Newark777 : A lot of things aren't needed and can be considered deadly weapons. Let's ban those as well. Harry
37 Cadet57 : Starting with?
38 IFEMaster : You are correct, and I used a specific example to illustrate an entire category of firearms that your average citizen doesn't NEED to own. Are they f
39 Queso : Looks like you might want to go back and review your own country's history to see how close it was to being invaded by foreign forces. Just like the
40 Post contains links Queso : Cars. http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2005-10-10-hitandrun_x.htm "Man plows car into crowd, killing 1, injuring 5 ELMWOOD PLACE, Ohio (AP) - Poli
41 Cadet57 : Ok. So he used a soccer game as a motive and a car as a weapon for murder. And this guy does not strike you as the least bit, whats the word.... nuts
42 Post contains images Newark777 : And while we're at it, let's ban violent video games and books containing violence. We wouldn't want to be giving anyone any bad ideas. Who are you t
43 Newark777 : Who said more people are using it? That's you saying that. If you ban guns, people would just use black market guns and other weapons for crime. We a
44 Cadet57 : Im not anyone to tell you anything. Thats why there are laws. All I was saying was that people SHOULD NOT be able to have an M16. That is called an o
45 IFEMaster : Que the eye rolling. That hardly justifies owning weapons that don't just kill, but literally blow to pieces. Look, I'm not anti-gun. If you've read
46 Newark777 : If you are advocating banning guns, then yes, you are trying to tell everyone in the US that they can't posses firearms. Harry
47 Cadet57 : Im not advocating banning guns. As I said above, im and avid hunter and sport shooter. But all I am getting at is that I dont see a need for the aver
48 Newark777 : Where do you draw the line then? What's more dangerous, an automatic pistol or a semi-automatic high power rifle? What are gun collectors going to do,
49 Post contains images MDorBust : That is not a M16/M4. Poor firearms legislation starts with poor firearms education. That depends on what the weapon is used for. An AR-15 against a
50 IFEMaster : Thanks for the info. Excellent reasons to own such a weapon, and clearly you are a hunter and employ such a weapon for just that purpose, which nobod
51 Newark777 : Of course. I would never own a large rifle; I don't hunt and I wouldn't ever need one. But to broadly say that NO ONE can have one is an overreaction
52 IFEMaster : I don't think I've said that NO ONE can have one, and if I did it's certainly not what I meant to say, but I do believe that laws need to be tightene
53 TWISTEDWHISPER : Colorfull. No you're right I can't do that, nor do I even want to try to, because it's not the point. I don't give a flying fuck about the guns the a
54 IFEMaster : Holy crap. Someone get this man a double single malt, quick.
55 Post contains images Newark777 : Or maybe he needs to take a trip to the firing range to get some of that stress out. Harry
56 KSYR : Drugs are illegal. Does that stop your average joe from buying them? No. What makes you think that guns will be any different? Remember that Japanese
57 Post contains links MDorBust : My point in my verbose excursion is that I am Mr. Average from your previous statement, and I use what is by almost any definition the type of advanc
58 Pope : Many who saw the images of NOLA and the chaos and anarchy that reigned last year would probably disagree with you. It is clear that in time of real d
59 Post contains images ANCFlyer : Accurate . . . It's exactly the point . . . you just don't have the gut to post it. This is nothing to do with the Army or the police . . . next? Yes
60 Post contains images Thom@s : Back on topic (if at all possible at this stage) here is the bastard... Thom@s
61 TWISTEDWHISPER : Oh come on, I thought you'd understand that I was referring to every single gun sold. In the US. When you put it that way, I also fail to see the con
62 Mika : I just got wind of this thread going on here so i'm not going to get my hands into the mess that it apparently has become. I will say however that it'
64 Queso : I respectfully disagree with your generalizations. For instance, there are target guns that would be very poor for use as a mechanism to cause seriou
65 MDorBust : That isn't even remotely what you said. And yes, in case you were wondering... Some criminals are stupid enough to report their illegal firearm as be
66 Post contains images ANCFlyer : I hope you realize this is NOT personal. Never is here - it's the internet, how personal could it get? We might not agree, but that won't stop me fro
67 F9Widebody : This thread has gotten very far off topic. Pro and anti firearm wars can be had in another thread.
68 Post contains links and images Allstarflyer : Way wrong, and, obviously, this line of thought regressed into the flawed reasoning it always does. Bullseye. Yeah, in my opinion. If I wake up and t
69 Post contains images Itsjustme :
70 Post contains images ANCFlyer : Unfortunately, however, every time the word Gun is mentioned here the anti-gun fruitcakes come out of the woodwork like cockroaches at a road side di
71 Post contains images Allstarflyer : I disagree, as previously stated. True, the nature of the topic concerns a criminal who took hostages and then turned into a murderer. It's not off-t
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