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Train Graffiti - Sometimes It's Beautiful  
User currently offlineAsstChiefMark From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (8 years 3 months 6 hours ago) and read 2908 times:

I generally loathe taggers who vandalize railroad cars with gangsta names and crude pictures. However, I have to admit that some railcar graffito are absolutely beautiful works of art. If only they put their talent to work in more constructive and lucrative means.

Taggers want others to see their work. However, most of them aren't very bright. They paint over the reporting marks on the sides of the railcars, which earns an immediate trip to the paint shop. The more intelligent taggers know enough to leave the reporting marks alone. At least one tried to do more...

Last week while trainspotting (on public property) near Hoffman Junction just across the river from STP, a Union Pacific police officer stopped to check me out. We struck up a conversation that lasted nearly an hour. He told me about the time he caught a tagger in the act. But this tagger carried some unusual items: Masking tape, letter & number stencils, and black and white paint. He was restoring obliterated reporting marks! He told the officer that he was "giving back to the railroads for allowing him to share his art." The tagger had already completed a few railcars and seemed to know what he was doing. The yardmaster said that each obliterated reporting mark that he had repaired was done accurately with letters and numbers of the correct size in the correct locations.

Here are four of my favorites. Does anyone have others to share?









Mark

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User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11718 posts, RR: 60
Reply 1, posted (8 years 3 months 6 hours ago) and read 2895 times:

I don't have any shots of my own, but those are amazing, thanks for sharing. The bottom couple are perfectly executed, it is indeed a shame that they are not somewhere else where they could be preserved. There are some schemes like that here in the UK, and they have been a great success.

Dan Smile



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User currently offlineTZ757300 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 2877 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (8 years 3 months 6 hours ago) and read 2884 times:

Wow, for graffiti, that stuff is great. If I were a train engineer, I would actually be glad to put those cars on my consist. If graffiti would be much like this stuff, I wouldn't mind people who do it.

Anyway, thanks for sharing those pics.



LETS GO MOUNTAINEERS!
User currently offlineEWS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 3 months 5 hours ago) and read 2850 times:

Look what the poor beggers did to this!

http://64.246.11.82/images/f/FJ_GB_01_04.jpg.48121.jpg

I mean the green and yellow.. they could of come up with something more artistic..

Lew  stirthepot 


User currently offlineDavestanKSAN From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 1678 posts, RR: 13
Reply 4, posted (8 years 3 months 5 hours ago) and read 2831 times:

 eyepopping  Those are amazing, wow. Beautiful.

Graffiti is a form of art. What has happened is that people associate it with gangs, violence, and claiming territories. This is true to a certain point. To say all graffiti is gang related is wrong. I agree I think its wrong to go and tag on someone's private property. And also I don't agree when its used to claim territory.

However, graffiti is more like public art. It's using your surroundings as a canvas. It's about expressing yourself. Where else can graffiti artists go? At my (art) school lots of people are amazing artists that tag as well. Unfortunately not everyone can afford art school. So what do you do when you have so much talent? You want to show the world. Tagging provides this. For the true graffiti artists it's not about gang banging but more about expression and love for art.

Dave



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User currently offlineBill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8467 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (8 years 3 months 5 hours ago) and read 2831 times:

Quoting EWS (Reply 3):
Look what the poor beggers did to this!

Perhaps they are just beginners.


User currently offlineBMIFlyer From UK - England, joined Feb 2004, 8810 posts, RR: 58
Reply 6, posted (8 years 3 months 5 hours ago) and read 2816 times:

Quoting EWS (Reply 3):
Look what the poor beggers did to this!

LMAO Lew Big grin


Lee



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User currently offlineRolfen From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 1809 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (8 years 3 months 5 hours ago) and read 2807 times:

These are amazing.
I wish we could edit a book with these.

And by the way, do they try to erase these graffitis?
Or do they leave them on the train?



rolf
User currently offlineKaiGywer From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 12284 posts, RR: 35
Reply 8, posted (8 years 3 months 4 hours ago) and read 2790 times:
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Graffitti can be art. Tagging is vandalism.

The Radisson SAS in Stavanger, Norway invited graffitti artists to paint a big wall on their hotel a few years back. Each week, the wall would be painted white, and at the end of the week, a winner would be named. The wall would then be painted white again. This way, they got a lot of good advertising through the media, while at the same time not having the vandalizing tags on the wall. Some of the pieces were really good.



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User currently offlineBill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8467 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (8 years 3 months 4 hours ago) and read 2788 times:

Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 8):
Graffitti can be art. Tagging is vandalism.

Even if it's artistic, it's still vandalism. It wouldn't be considered vandalism if it was commissioned in some way.


User currently offlineAsstChiefMark From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (8 years 3 months 4 hours ago) and read 2782 times:

Quoting EWS (Reply 3):
I mean the green and yellow.. they could of come up with something more artistic

Hey! Green and yellow are nice. Dad worked for green and yellow.  Wink

http://64.246.11.82/images/c/cnw8634-9404-mcity,ia.JPG.45852.jpg

Mark


User currently offlineQFA380 From Australia, joined Jul 2005, 2084 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (8 years 3 months 3 hours ago) and read 2753 times:

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Thread starter):
He told me about the time he caught a tagger in the act. But this tagger carried some unusual items: Masking tape, letter & number stencils, and black and white paint. He was restoring obliterated reporting marks! He told the officer that he was "giving back to the railroads for allowing him to share his art." The tagger had already completed a few railcars and seemed to know what he was doing. The yardmaster said that each obliterated reporting mark that he had repaired was done accurately with letters and numbers of the correct size in the correct locations.

Then what did he do with the guy?

Those trains look great, although you could say they should be allowed to, on passenger trains I don't think it's appropriate, on freight, maybe.

Imagine being at a crossing (whatever you call it) and seeing a train with a hundred carriages, each one painted with something different but special, would be great.


User currently offlineAsstChiefMark From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (8 years 3 months 3 hours ago) and read 2744 times:

Quoting QFA380 (Reply 11):
Then what did he do with the guy?

A quick three mile trip to jail. Second degree criminal trespassing and criminal damage to property would be a couple things he would have been charged with. I'm sure there were several more.

Mark


User currently offlineQFA380 From Australia, joined Jul 2005, 2084 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (8 years 3 months 3 hours ago) and read 2732 times:

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 12):

Poor guy, lol.


User currently offlineMatt D From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 9502 posts, RR: 46
Reply 14, posted (8 years 3 months 2 hours ago) and read 2712 times:

http://x-2000r.angelcities.com/images/trainstuff/Graffiti1.JPG
http://x-2000r.angelcities.com/images/trainstuff/Graffiti2.JPG


User currently offlineAsstChiefMark From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (8 years 3 months 2 hours ago) and read 2689 times:





User currently offlineCptkrell From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3220 posts, RR: 12
Reply 16, posted (8 years 3 months 1 hour ago) and read 2673 times:

I've seen some graffiti that is pretty nice. ChiefMark's starter shows some talent (well...I have reservations about the last picture); BUT it is still vandalism and against the law.

Furthermore, who be the judge on what is great, good, acceptable, marginal, sophomoric, bad, really bad, disgusting, pornographic, and/or just basically shit.

Do I dare beg the question of what other vehicles (and I don't mean railroad cars) or avenues (and I don't mean stuff on the street side) these "artists" could be better off spending their creative talents on? I am thinking we all have an idea; I am also thinking that none of us want to support through our tax dollars a free ride for them to paint "art" for "art's sake" to gaa-gaa society with another Campbell's Soup Can Scam.

So, I say prosecute the guys/girls and make them spend a year, with no time off for good behaviour, scrubbing off "art" from MY/YOUR places. Then when they graduate from "art school 201", they can get a degree in graphics application by installing the stripes and shields on police cars without screwing then up.

My thoughts...jack



all best; jack
User currently offlineVHVXB From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 5525 posts, RR: 18
Reply 17, posted (8 years 3 months 1 hour ago) and read 2657 times:

Quoting AsstChiefMark (Thread starter):

shit that is some good work


User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13202 posts, RR: 16
Reply 18, posted (8 years 3 months ago) and read 2638 times:

Until the early 1990's, NY City and it's Subway system was one of the largest mobile 'art' galleries/graffiti postings in the world. As it became more prevailent, it also encouraged more of it, including inside the cars as well as crime and a tolarance of crime. Then under several Police Commissioners and Mayor's Dinkins and Julianaie, they ended it. They made it more difficult for minors to get spary paint, started taking cars out of service and cleaning them often, they repainted subway cars with more paint resistanted coatings and caught a lot of them and made them pay fines and jail time. More recently, NY City has put out a special task force to remove graffiti from public and upon request, private buildings, as it hurts the communities, property values and also encourages criminal beheavor.

User currently offlineDba4U From Germany, joined Mar 2005, 670 posts, RR: 14
Reply 19, posted (8 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2619 times:

I once had a pic of a suburban train in Hamburg which they sprayed in the current color sheme of the german ICE. Another one had a big McDonalds "add" sprayed over the doors. I'll try to find the pics and post them here

User currently offlineRootsAir From Costa Rica, joined Feb 2005, 4186 posts, RR: 40
Reply 20, posted (8 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2577 times:

Laughed my ass off when I saw that one in my local train station 3 years ago




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User currently offlineHalls120 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (8 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2562 times:

Quoting Cptkrell (Reply 16):
I've seen some graffiti that is pretty nice. ChiefMark's starter shows some talent (well...I have reservations about the last picture); BUT it is still vandalism and against the law.

A question for AsstChiefMark and all the others enamored of graffiti.

If YOUR car or truck was tagged with a so-called work of "art," would you be as magnanimous as you are when other people's property is vandalized?


User currently offlineAirCop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (8 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2548 times:

Some of the work looks so detailed, how can they spend the time and not get caught? The bottom line its still vandalism.

User currently offlineDIJKKIJK From France, joined Jul 2003, 1822 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (8 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2517 times:

http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/fr/car/regional/RIB-RIO/NiceRioGraffiti1.jpg




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User currently offlineRedngold From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 6907 posts, RR: 44
Reply 24, posted (8 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2463 times:

Here in Cleveland, the Regional Transit Authority actually invited some well-known graffiti artists from around town to paint the walls at a couple of train stations. When I was riding the train regularly for a few months, I enjoyed looking at their "art."

Perhaps this constructive channeling of the art could spread to other places.



Up, up and away!
25 Cptkrell : Yes, therein lies the pretty basic issue, Redngold...the "artists" were invited. They did not vandalise other's property. Regards...jack
26 Rolfen : Well, before people started to invite them, they had to do quite some vandalism to get known.
27 DLKAPA : Depends on the "Art." I wouldn't mind a few of the stuff pictured above plastered across my truck.
28 Fbgdavidson : Graffiti in 99% of it's outings is hideous to be honest however it can be extremely good, I have no idea how the better guys do it! I remember when I
29 Post contains links and images Dba4U :
30 Post contains images AsstChiefMark : Here are four more really good ones. Mark
31 777ER : Some of those art works in pictures above are truly nice. It would be nice to have some boring white, grey, silver freight carrages here in New Zealan
32 Mika : Seriously, how the hell do you do that? How can someone paint that good with some spray cans? It boggles my mind. Very fascinating and nice stuff it h
33 Halls120 : Good. Then please make sure graffiti "artists" only tag your truck, and tose belonging to others who believe the same way you do. And leave the rest
34 AsstChiefMark : No. I don't approve of it. I'm just saying that some of it is aesthetically pleasing. Mark
35 Redngold : Not necessarily - some are neighborhood artists who chose to do their work in the graffiti style. They can be legitimate muralists and memorialists.
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