AsstChiefMark From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Posted (7 years 11 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 2852 times:
I generally loathe taggers who vandalize railroad cars with gangsta names and crude pictures. However, I have to admit that some railcar graffito are absolutely beautiful works of art. If only they put their talent to work in more constructive and lucrative means.
Taggers want others to see their work. However, most of them aren't very bright. They paint over the reporting marks on the sides of the railcars, which earns an immediate trip to the paint shop. The more intelligent taggers know enough to leave the reporting marks alone. At least one tried to do more...
Last week while trainspotting (on public property) near Hoffman Junction just across the river from STP, a Union Pacific police officer stopped to check me out. We struck up a conversation that lasted nearly an hour. He told me about the time he caught a tagger in the act. But this tagger carried some unusual items: Masking tape, letter & number stencils, and black and white paint. He was restoring obliterated reporting marks! He told the officer that he was "giving back to the railroads for allowing him to share his art." The tagger had already completed a few railcars and seemed to know what he was doing. The yardmaster said that each obliterated reporting mark that he had repaired was done accurately with letters and numbers of the correct size in the correct locations.
Here are four of my favorites. Does anyone have others to share?
PlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11645 posts, RR: 60
Reply 1, posted (7 years 11 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 2839 times:
I don't have any shots of my own, but those are amazing, thanks for sharing. The bottom couple are perfectly executed, it is indeed a shame that they are not somewhere else where they could be preserved. There are some schemes like that here in the UK, and they have been a great success.
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TZ757300 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 2868 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (7 years 11 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 2828 times:
Wow, for graffiti, that stuff is great. If I were a train engineer, I would actually be glad to put those cars on my consist. If graffiti would be much like this stuff, I wouldn't mind people who do it.
DavestanKSAN From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 1678 posts, RR: 13
Reply 4, posted (7 years 11 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2775 times:
Those are amazing, wow. Beautiful.
Graffiti is a form of art. What has happened is that people associate it with gangs, violence, and claiming territories. This is true to a certain point. To say all graffiti is gang related is wrong. I agree I think its wrong to go and tag on someone's private property. And also I don't agree when its used to claim territory.
However, graffiti is more like public art. It's using your surroundings as a canvas. It's about expressing yourself. Where else can graffiti artists go? At my (art) school lots of people are amazing artists that tag as well. Unfortunately not everyone can afford art school. So what do you do when you have so much talent? You want to show the world. Tagging provides this. For the true graffiti artists it's not about gang banging but more about expression and love for art.
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KaiGywer From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 12242 posts, RR: 35
Reply 8, posted (7 years 11 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2734 times:
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Graffitti can be art. Tagging is vandalism.
The Radisson SAS in Stavanger, Norway invited graffitti artists to paint a big wall on their hotel a few years back. Each week, the wall would be painted white, and at the end of the week, a winner would be named. The wall would then be painted white again. This way, they got a lot of good advertising through the media, while at the same time not having the vandalizing tags on the wall. Some of the pieces were really good.
QFA380 From Australia, joined Jul 2005, 2062 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (7 years 11 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 2697 times:
Quoting AsstChiefMark (Thread starter): He told me about the time he caught a tagger in the act. But this tagger carried some unusual items: Masking tape, letter & number stencils, and black and white paint. He was restoring obliterated reporting marks! He told the officer that he was "giving back to the railroads for allowing him to share his art." The tagger had already completed a few railcars and seemed to know what he was doing. The yardmaster said that each obliterated reporting mark that he had repaired was done accurately with letters and numbers of the correct size in the correct locations.
Then what did he do with the guy?
Those trains look great, although you could say they should be allowed to, on passenger trains I don't think it's appropriate, on freight, maybe.
Imagine being at a crossing (whatever you call it) and seeing a train with a hundred carriages, each one painted with something different but special, would be great.
Cptkrell From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3220 posts, RR: 12
Reply 16, posted (7 years 11 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2617 times:
I've seen some graffiti that is pretty nice. ChiefMark's starter shows some talent (well...I have reservations about the last picture); BUT it is still vandalism and against the law.
Furthermore, who be the judge on what is great, good, acceptable, marginal, sophomoric, bad, really bad, disgusting, pornographic, and/or just basically shit.
Do I dare beg the question of what other vehicles (and I don't mean railroad cars) or avenues (and I don't mean stuff on the street side) these "artists" could be better off spending their creative talents on? I am thinking we all have an idea; I am also thinking that none of us want to support through our tax dollars a free ride for them to paint "art" for "art's sake" to gaa-gaa society with another Campbell's Soup Can Scam.
So, I say prosecute the guys/girls and make them spend a year, with no time off for good behaviour, scrubbing off "art" from MY/YOUR places. Then when they graduate from "art school 201", they can get a degree in graphics application by installing the stripes and shields on police cars without screwing then up.
LTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13078 posts, RR: 12
Reply 18, posted (7 years 11 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2582 times:
Until the early 1990's, NY City and it's Subway system was one of the largest mobile 'art' galleries/graffiti postings in the world. As it became more prevailent, it also encouraged more of it, including inside the cars as well as crime and a tolarance of crime. Then under several Police Commissioners and Mayor's Dinkins and Julianaie, they ended it. They made it more difficult for minors to get spary paint, started taking cars out of service and cleaning them often, they repainted subway cars with more paint resistanted coatings and caught a lot of them and made them pay fines and jail time. More recently, NY City has put out a special task force to remove graffiti from public and upon request, private buildings, as it hurts the communities, property values and also encourages criminal beheavor.
Dba4U From Germany, joined Mar 2005, 662 posts, RR: 14
Reply 19, posted (7 years 11 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 2563 times:
I once had a pic of a suburban train in Hamburg which they sprayed in the current color sheme of the german ICE. Another one had a big McDonalds "add" sprayed over the doors. I'll try to find the pics and post them here
Halls120 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (7 years 11 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 2506 times:
Quoting Cptkrell (Reply 16): I've seen some graffiti that is pretty nice. ChiefMark's starter shows some talent (well...I have reservations about the last picture); BUT it is still vandalism and against the law.
A question for AsstChiefMark and all the others enamored of graffiti.
If YOUR car or truck was tagged with a so-called work of "art," would you be as magnanimous as you are when other people's property is vandalized?
Redngold From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 6907 posts, RR: 44
Reply 24, posted (7 years 11 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2407 times:
Here in Cleveland, the Regional Transit Authority actually invited some well-known graffiti artists from around town to paint the walls at a couple of train stations. When I was riding the train regularly for a few months, I enjoyed looking at their "art."
Perhaps this constructive channeling of the art could spread to other places.
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: Yes, therein lies the pretty basic issue, Redngold...the "artists" were invited. They did not vandalise other's property. Regards...jack
: Well, before people started to invite them, they had to do quite some vandalism to get known.
: Depends on the "Art." I wouldn't mind a few of the stuff pictured above plastered across my truck.
: Graffiti in 99% of it's outings is hideous to be honest however it can be extremely good, I have no idea how the better guys do it! I remember when I