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Islamic Fascism--Appropriate Name?  
User currently offlineRJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (7 years 11 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 1979 times:

Thoughts?

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q...BjYTQ2MDM0ZGIzZjY5YjhhMzViYjdjNTA=

Make no apologies for the use of “Islamic fascism.” It is the perfect nomenclature for the agenda of radical Islam, for a variety of historical and scholarly reasons. That such usage also causes extreme embarrassment to both the Islamists themselves and their leftist “anti-fascist” appeasers in the West is just too bad.

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User currently offlineNewark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 30
Reply 1, posted (7 years 11 months 5 days ago) and read 1965 times:

Well, that's exactly what they are, so I feel it fits nicely. If people don't like it, they are just denying reality.

Harry



Why grab a Heine when you can grab a Busch?
User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21565 posts, RR: 55
Reply 2, posted (7 years 11 months 5 days ago) and read 1965 times:

I'm of the opinion that when pretty much everybody knows how bad something is, arguing over the perfect words to describe it is generally a waste of time. Islamic extremism, Islamic fascism, Islamic terrorism, Islamic anti-Westernism, whatever. Hell, all you have to say these days is "Islamic" and people pretty much know what you're talking about (which is in itself a pretty sad thing, but that's another topic).

-Mir



7 billion, one nation, imagination...it's a beautiful day
User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 3, posted (7 years 11 months 5 days ago) and read 1959 times:

Quoting RJpieces (Thread starter):
the use of �Islamic fascism.�

The term is just a cheap slogan, happily taken over by politicians with a lack of vocabulary. Are Muslim fundamentalists better than fascists ? Not really, just a different illness.


User currently offlineNewark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 30
Reply 4, posted (7 years 11 months 5 days ago) and read 1955 times:

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 3):
The term is just a cheap slogan, happily taken over by politicians with a lack of vocabulary.

Could expand on this? It seems to fit quite nicely to me.

Harry



Why grab a Heine when you can grab a Busch?
User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (7 years 11 months 5 days ago) and read 1949 times:

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 3):
The term is just a cheap slogan, happily taken over by politicians with a lack of vocabulary.

Sounds pretty accurate to me. Can you expand on exactly why you think the term is innacurate or non-descriptive?


User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (7 years 11 months 5 days ago) and read 1949 times:

Quoting RJpieces (Thread starter):
Appropriate Name?

Terrorism

Next?


User currently offlineRJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (7 years 11 months 5 days ago) and read 1939 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 6):
Terrorism

But don't you think there is something unique about Arab/Muslim terrorism these days that makes it distinct from tradtional domestic terrorist groups (IRA, Basques, etc).


User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (7 years 11 months 5 days ago) and read 1934 times:

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 7):
Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 6):
Terrorism

But don't you think there is something unique about Arab/Muslim terrorism these days that makes it distinct from tradtional domestic terrorist groups (IRA, Basques, etc).

Sure do. The IRA, Basques, etc, didn't get their panties in a wad over a gawddamn cartoon or an Opera . . .


User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (7 years 11 months 5 days ago) and read 1921 times:

The term Islamic fascism is old hat.

Its been used now for over 20 years, and it rings true. Especially in that Islamic fascism exporting nation, Saudi Arabia.

The repulsive and pathetic President suddenly adopted it a month or so ago, (late as he is to anything that rings true), and suddenly his detractors who can find 1,000,001 things to criticize him over, and who themselves have used that term, now find it unacceptable. Idiots, all of them.

Clearly his handlers shoved that term into his limited vocabulary of late. Clever diversionary tactic. Now, his dimwitted followers who have made themselves blind to all his other dangerous tantrums and lying have suddenly discovered that term as well. And the guileless and short-sighted bleating goats on the left will now take them on in a battle of syntax. And while all of this happens, the victorious Islamo-fascists laugh at the intemperate Dauphin and his baby-sitters in the White House as they continue to lie, deceive, obfuscate and trample on the rule of law that made this country great.


User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (7 years 11 months 5 days ago) and read 1916 times:

It's absolutely a perfect thing to call it, because that's what it is.

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 8):
Sure do. The IRA, Basques, etc, didn't get their panties in a wad over a gawddamn cartoon or an Opera . . .

 rotfl 


User currently offlineEK156 From United Arab Emirates, joined May 2005, 765 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (7 years 11 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 1898 times:

MAF why do you even attempt to answer these kind of threads??? Falcon, ANCFlyer, RJpieces and the others are convinced 1 Billion percent that we are ALL... and in all I mean EVERY SINGLE MUSLIM ON EARTH ... we are all terrorists, fascist, killers, haters etc.. Why do you give them any attention mate? Look else where to people who will have a constructive conversation with you.

In the last month this lot that I have mentioned have only been started threads to flame, blast and cause more hatred towards the whole Islamic Religion. They are convinced that if you are a Muslim then you are a terrorist. And if you say that you are not a terrorist, then you are not a Muslim.... and when you try to defend or argue against the notion that all Muslims are not like those few fanatics, they will not listen to you or will tell you "So do something about it" or whatever it is that they want to say.

They don't want peace... they just want to hate us all and show the world that we are bad in every single thing. They will tell you we want peace... and then they say... we should be exterminated, banished from earth and so on...

I as a muslim would rather have a Christian, Jew, Buddhist, Hindu or whatever friends that can work with me, be good to each other, respect each other and understand that we are all being made to hate each other because of the agenda of a few greedy people.... I will not let these greedy people make me fall into arguing with ignorant poeple who have beed braishwashed by them whatever religion they follow and firstly with my fellow Muslims... I will argue with them first and for most ... to make them understand that we are being divided to be conquered... all of us Muslims, Jews, Christans and others are being divided to keep us busy fighting against each other... for the other greedy few to reap the fruits of the earth... when will the people wake up?

You guys really need to find something else to talk about... for the last couple of months... all you do is start the same thread with different names... tells me alot about what your intentions are.... soon you will be talking to the walls cause you are stirring hatred like others around you are .... so when you say you are better than those Muslims Clerics or Extremists who call for the end of whatever .... you are no better than them!!!


User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 12, posted (7 years 11 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 1897 times:

Quoting Newark777 (Reply 4):
It seems to fit quite nicely to me.

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Quoting Cfalk (Reply 5):
pretty accurate

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it may fit in many ways, but is NOT accurate. As fascism in reality is not just a state-of-mind but an ideology (Benito Mussolini in Italy, Francisco Franco in Spain, Antonio Salazar in Portugal. It later on became a term to describe any authoritarian right-winger as a fascist. Rather a kind of fashion.
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The Islamist fundamentalists of course ARE authoritarian, right-wing conservatives of zero-tolerance and an extremely narrow-minded point-of-view.
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Islamo-fundies would rather be my term.


User currently offlineMDorBust From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (7 years 11 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 1894 times:

Quoting EK156 (Reply 11):
Falcon, ANCFlyer, RJpieces and the others are convinced 1 Billion percent that we are ALL... and in all I mean EVERY SINGLE MUSLIM ON EARTH ... we are all terrorists, fascist, killers, haters etc..

If we were convinced of that, we would have already taken steps to kill all of you.

Quoting EK156 (Reply 11):
. They are convinced that if you are a Muslim then you are a terrorist. And if you say that you are not a terrorist, then you are not a Muslim....

I would love to see you quote that from one of those members.

Your post is hogwash.


User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (7 years 11 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 1888 times:

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 12):
The Islamist fundamentalists of course ARE authoritarian, right-wing conservatives of zero-tolerance and an extremely narrow-minded point-of-view.

Sounds fascist to me.

I object to the idea of fascists being associated with "right wing" however. Joseph Stalin, Mao Tsetung, Adolf Hitler and Kim Il Sung were hardly right wingers, but decidedly fascist.


User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (7 years 11 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 1882 times:

Quoting EK156 (Reply 11):
MAF why do you even attempt to answer these kind of threads??? Falcon, ANCFlyer, RJpieces and the others are convinced 1 Billion percent that we are ALL... and in all I mean EVERY SINGLE MUSLIM ON EARTH ... we are all terrorists, fascist, killers, haters etc.. Why do you give them any attention mate? Look else where to people who will have a constructive conversation with you.

I think you need to talk to someone about your persecution complex.

Islam is what motivates most of these terrorists. They fight because they feel that (make your choice) the presence of infidels in muslim lands is an affront to Allah, that all former muslim lands must be restored, to spread the word of Allah by the sword, that Allah will reward him for killing infidels, etc. etc. whatever. Those are their motivations. They are related to the Islamic faith, regardless of whether or not they are misinterpreting the Quran or not.

In the middle ages we had the Crusades - the name itself relates to the Cross of Jesus, even though Jesus' teachings had nothing to do with their butchery, Chistianity was their motivation.

The longer you deny the fact that Islam in some form is the motivator behind these terrorists, the longer it will be before your culture does something to address the problem.

Christianity did eventually - it was called the Reformation. It was bloody and dirty but it had to be done. Through the Reformation, Christians started to face what had gone wrong, and take steps to change things. The process took a couple of hundred years, but as a result, we don't have thousands of Christians demanding the death of anyone simply they are not like them anymore.

How long will we wait for the Muslim Reformation?


User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 16, posted (7 years 11 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 1874 times:

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 14):
Joseph Stalin, Mao Tsetung, Adolf Hitler and Kim Il Sung were hardly right wingers, but decidedly fascist.

Stalin, Mao and Kim were NOT fascists but communists. As totalitarian as the Fascists, but LEFT-wingers. The "Nazism" of the NSDAP in Germany was a kind of extreme "derivative" of fascism. Fascism and communism may have much in common, but simply are not only not the same, but on two opposite ends.


User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (7 years 11 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 1866 times:

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 14):
I object to the idea of fascists being associated with "right wing" however. Joseph Stalin, Mao Tsetung, Adolf Hitler and Kim Il Sung were hardly right wingers, but decidedly fascist.

Kim Il Jong, Stalin and Mao adopted communist economic ideologies, but their brand of fascism is synonymous with the "right wing," a term that symbolizes absolute authority. Can anyone doubt that Franco was a right winger? Can anyone doubt that Mussolini and Hitler both of whom opposed liberalism, democracy and pluralism were right wingers? Communism in its inception symbolized "leftist" economic ideologies, but like every other institution of absolute authority was a right wing authoritarian one.

In the words of Mussolini himself:

Granted that the 19th century was the century of socialism, liberalism, democracy, this does not mean that the 20th century must also be the century of socialism, liberalism, democracy. Political doctrines pass; nations remain. We are free to believe that this is the century of authority, a century tending to the "right", a Fascist century.

Fascism in Europe allied itself with mainstream elites - the Church, large industrial houses (in 1930s Germany, for instance) - who used fascism to further their own brands of conservatism, either religious, or nationalist, or economic.

Bringing the far East with its Confucian and entirely different social traditions into an understanding of Western Fascism is dishonest. Fascism in the West, especially in the war years and the post WWII era has decidedly been a right wing cause.

While I see your point, you're making the classic mistake of associating fascism and communism with the "left wing" politics of today. Other than the meaningless rants of those 21 year old tatooed and pierced anti World Bank kids of Bankers themselves out on some youthful angst-driven kick, the connection between anti-capitalism and the left has been decimated a long time ago. With the taming of robber-baron capitalism of the turn of the last century, the so-called left (at least in the United States) has made its peace with capitalism, and the politics of right and left, fascism and democracy have moved onto a different playing field.

The fascists of today - the Islamo-fascists, the Christo-fascists, all have one objective - absolute adherence to religious authority, a deep hatred of modernity, democracy, critical thought. The Christo-fascists have cleverly embraced superficial talk of the free market and nationalism as a veil to hide their ulterior motives, while the Islamo-fascists have embraced all the prevailing problems of their cultures (poverty, absolute monarchies, etc.) to further their own hideous agenda.

Fascism is just a form of absolute control in the Executive branch of government (often the only branch in most fascist states), the antithesis of democracy, gutting of the judiciary, the exploitation of the power of the mob. Economic modes were just a means to an end.


User currently offlineArtieFufkin From United States of America, joined May 2006, 704 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 years 11 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 1864 times:

Sure go ahead and use the term. Bush obvioulsy doesn't care that it's offensive to Muslims all over the World? I mean let's not kid ourselves. We don't need the majority of Islamic World opinion on our side do we? We'll just fight a world wide terrorist movement by ourselves. I mean look how well Iraq is doing? Look at the report that came out last week showing how well Bush's war has done in defeating Terrorism? The important issue is that it makes the Bush base feel good so they'll vote for the GOP in November.


Yes use the term. You're so serious about winning the War on Terror. That's really going to help....LOL

[Edited 2006-09-29 20:06:14]

User currently offlineArtieFufkin From United States of America, joined May 2006, 704 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (7 years 11 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 1853 times:

I just trying to figure out what's being accomplished here by using the term?

Is saying the "truth" as you define it. "Islamic facists" Is this going to drive home the point to the US public so much so that the tide turns and they support a full scale escalation of the military campaign? We've got 140K troops there now. We probably need triple that to bring it under control.

Or will it drive a wedge between peaceful Muslims and the radicals?

Seriously what does Bush hope to accomplish by using the term?


User currently offlineUH60FtRucker From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (7 years 11 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 1850 times:

Quoting ArtieFufkin (Reply 18):

Well, now that you've gotten that out of your system...

What do YOU think they should be titled? I mean, if you're going to sh*t on everyone else's terms... at least let us return the favor. Big grin

-UH60


User currently offlineArtieFufkin From United States of America, joined May 2006, 704 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (7 years 11 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 1846 times:

Well US actions are 95% of the problem. But if we had a true leader in charge every speech he made should make clear that most Muslims all over the World are peace loving. Only a small percentage are radicals. "Islomofascism" is taken by the majority of Muslims as a smear. Is that what you are trying to accomplish? Piss them all off? You think you are going to turn the tide of public opinion saying that?

User currently offlineUH60FtRucker From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (7 years 11 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 1838 times:

Quoting ArtieFufkin (Reply 21):
Well US actions are 95% of the problem.

Ahhhh... I see said the blind man as he pissed into the wind. It's all coming back to me.

Thanks, Artie. I had forgotten it almost entirely our fault. Jeez... we gotta do something about that!

Quoting ArtieFufkin (Reply 21):
every speech he made should make clear that most Muslims all over the World are peace loving.

But that's all I freakin hear coming out of Washington. "The religion of Islam is a peaceful one." "Islam teaching have been bastardized by Al Qaeda." "Islam is peaceful." "Islam is great." blah blah blah. I seriously don't know how you've missed this.

Quoting ArtieFufkin (Reply 21):
"Islomofascism" is taken by the majority of Muslims as a smear.

Ehhh... but so is "white devil" and "infidel". Oh and let me tell you... whenever I hear those terms, my first reaction is to bomb a middle eastern embassy or go kill some people. It's cathartic, ya know?

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But seriously Artie, I asked you what term you would prefer we use. But you skirted the question. WHAT TERM WOULD YOU USE?

-UH60


User currently offlineArtieFufkin From United States of America, joined May 2006, 704 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (7 years 11 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 1836 times:

You're taking me out of context. I'm not saying the US is to blame for the attacks upon it.

I'm saying actions are louder than words. And Bush has made terrible mistakes in reacting to 9/11.

Of course you here them making the distiction in Washington between peaceful Muslims and radicals. That's the right thing to do!

Bush veered from this by starting to use the term "islamofacists" to work up his base. Because it's not about the WOT, it's about winning in November.

And to answer you question. I urge them not to use labels when talking about Muslims. So I propose no counter term.


User currently offlineNewark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 30
Reply 24, posted (7 years 11 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 1830 times:

Quoting ArtieFufkin (Reply 23):
I urge them not to use labels when talking about Muslims. So I propose no counter term.

So what do you want to call them? You really aren't making any sense. Labels are there for a reason, and if you are offended by them, you need to get real.

Harry



Why grab a Heine when you can grab a Busch?
25 ArtieFufkin : You actually need to read in context. The thread went right over your head. Or stop intentionally being absurd. You think I have something against th
26 UH60FtRucker : Well what the heck!? Don't use labels? Well what am I suppose to call someone who incites riots in the streets because of a cartoon? Or someone who u
27 Post contains images ANCFlyer : Ummmm, Bullshit. Show me anywhere - ANYWHERE - where I have stated that all Muslims are Terrorists . . . when you do that, then your credibility will
28 ArtieFufkin : uh60 I'm about at the end of our rope here. If you continue to twist what I say in order to score points you can do it on your own. This point I was m
29 Falcon84 : I challenge you to show me where any of us has said that, EK. And I'll win, because we've never said that, and I know we don't believe that. What I D
30 Windshear : I disagree. I think naming it, comes after you've established just what you are up against, once you know this, you can begin dealing with it appropr
31 ANCFlyer : Bad Operas? Questionable Cartoons? Untimely Quotes?
32 Post contains images Windshear : Hmm, now let me see it has got to me one of them... Boaz.
33 Falcon84 : Hatred. Pure, unadulterated hatred.
34 UH60FtRucker : Yeah, you're probably right. I ought to at least try to take your arguments more seriously. Sorry. But your arguments are very telling about how if y
35 ME AVN FAN : while it in reality of course is NOT a majority but a weewee tiny minority who either tacitly or openly supports such "actions", while the majority i
36 Post contains images Newark777 : Do you seriously believe Karl Rove invented the phrase Islamic fascists?! That's hilarious. Just like all extremists. Harry
37 Falcon84 : Sorry, I don't agree with you or EK. I agree it is a majority.
38 EK156 : Thank you MAF. I was about to respond to all the threads addressing mine when Falcon just threw himself in the hot pot!!! You all generalize and neve
39 Post contains images Falcon84 : I'm quite cool, actually. Even wearing my CO hoodie right now.
40 EK156 : Religion does not provoke terrorism.... Ideologies do that!! people with sick minds who think they are doing the right thing!!!! They are the ones wh
41 ANCFlyer : Yes. Next? Yes. Next? As I said, still playing the victim here EK . . . I don't buy it . . . neither does anyone else. No one - in their right mind -
42 EK156 : Okay I give you this one... that was quite funny for a change.. a but of humour does not hurt.... but I wish you could let your guard down more and s
43 EK156 : You are generalizing..... GENERALIZING.... which means calling out the majority.... so what is the majority for you huh??? 95%??? Waow atleast we sti
44 Mandala499 : Today we had an Islamofascist preaching on Friday prayer's... trying to raise money for the "struggle against the Zionists"... It was funny how few pe
45 ANCFlyer : You tell me, where DO you stand? Take them toyour fellow Muslims that get their panties in a wad over a cartoon, or an Opera, or a quote by the Pope
46 Cfalk : No, YOU are generalizing. Nobody here or in any other thread I can think of has ever accused all Arabs or all Muslims of being terrorists, but rather
47 ME AVN FAN : look at nrs 29 & 35 !! To say that a majority supports terrorist actions against "the West" is accusing all Arabs / all Muslims of being ........ bei
48 Duff44 : I separate it completely. I know plenty of people who practice Islam, and who a very faithful in their daily practices. And I have yet to see one of t
49 Post contains images QR332 : And your extensive study of the religion has told you this, right? So have your many readings of the Quran, your living in an Islamic society, and yo
50 ANCFlyer : Yeah, in fact, I really liked Morocco. I didn't get over to Marrakech but I did get to enjoy Casablanca. I really should have taken the day trip out
51 Post contains links Cairo : Make no apologies for the use of "War Party" in describing the agenda of the radical JEWS who seek to involve America in a perpetual series of wars t
52 Cfalk : Everything just HAS to be black and white for you, doesn't it? Are you simply incapable of thinking clearly, or do you have to work at pretending you
53 ME AVN FAN : suggest you next time visit Fez (the most beautiful city in Morocco) and Rabat , the most underestimated but beautiful Capital suggest you next time
54 L410Turbolet : When people will get up and walk out refusing to listen to such BS, I'm willing to believe that things are actually starting to change for the better
55 Post contains images QR332 : Thats very interesting, ANC, glad you liked it... I would love to visit Morocco, I have heard that it is truly a wonderful place. Egypt is a very str
56 ANCFlyer : Really, the media overblew the burning of some embassies?
57 RJpieces : Haha, and to think you describe yourself as a "moderate Muslim".
58 EK156 : How the hell does that make him not a moderate muslim??? Israel is occupying Gaza and the West Bank. So if he says we must raise money for the people
59 ME AVN FAN : in Morocco, many tourists rush to Marrakech, which may have its points, but Fez and Rabat are more beautiful, and Casablanca is a fascinating metropo
60 Cedars747 : In my opinion ,everyone who use such terms is an ignorant,and coming from Bush does not surprise me at all"he is the prophet of ignorants".Islam is l
61 QR332 : Those things need to be reported, but the media made it look like the entire Muslim world was up in arms over a cartoon, which is hardly what happene
62 Mandala499 : L410Turbolet, Well, we would if the subject was about supporting terrorists like OBL... but we haven't heard one for a while. ! But it's Ramadhan, man
63 Post contains images L410Turbolet : Oh boy, was it must have been really hard to think up way how to squeeze the US into the whole situation, wasn't it? A situation which had absolutely
64 Post contains images ANCFlyer : Did that . . . and Luxor as well. The best pyriamids - Valley of the Kings - of course, is near Luxor. As for Morocco, I had three days, not enough t
65 Post contains images Windshear : A very very very important point! I don't hate Germans, but I do hate Nazis, and in WWII Germany was ruled by them, so speaking about Nazi Germany in
66 ME AVN FAN : the beaches actually are right in front of the city, along the Corniche/Lungomare, while one of the nicest places in fact is the Montazah Gardens, Mo
67 Windshear : No please don't over analyse everything I write... My example was just an example, meaning I can still hate Nazis today, but don't hate Germans. The
68 ME AVN FAN : ok, alright, and I do NOT oppose anybody hating Islamo-fundies. What I dislike is that the term "fascists" for decades has just become a slogan, for
69 Windshear : I agree with you, that it is widely used by many as a word to criticise or condemn authority. Maybe fascism is the only term applicable in this situa
70 Post contains images ANCFlyer : Yes, in fact, he is . . . Riots on three continents, and in fact, not by 2 or even 20 or even 200 people, by thousands. Yes, I know, throw me the old
71 EK156 : Windshear I have to agree with you here. As a Muslim, I am also against any kind of Fascism, Islamic or non-Islamic. But what we are trying to make a
72 ANCFlyer : Now, I will agree 100% here. I'm the first to say we don't ever see the good news on CNN, Fox, etc . . BBC occasionally. The media is all about what
73 Baroque : Sorry if this has been said, but after reading 30 posts, nothing close so I confess to skipping before posting this. Apologies if someone has posted
74 ME AVN FAN : ohhh, you did count them ? There was hardly ANY demonstration with more than 500 people really participating. You might get a bit higher by adding al
75 Post contains images Windshear : Yes well I agree. It is never clever to spray bullets left and right, it is always better to join one another and confront the issues, not just chip
76 Mandala499 : EK156 & Windshear, Awesome stuff... I wish more people with the same beliefs would get together and turn all this crazyness around. Some cleric estima
77 ME AVN FAN : NO trouble, they will always find something to feel insulted about !
78 Mandala499 : Gawdangit! Mis-spelt Israeli with a Y... MAF... LOL, perhaps they'll be more insulted with their "lack of importance" and demonstrate... yet again! Ma
79 Post contains images Windshear : Hehe good stuff... It would end a lot of arguments that's for sure Boaz.
80 Lehpron : It is human nature to put things into categories, it is how we learn things. Unfortunately, there are no objective references to social issues, so we
81 ME AVN FAN : sorry, how is this meant ? How and why should more people die ?
82 Rolfen : Good article. Comparing fascism with islamism makes it tempting to use WW2 style warfare on islamism, but that might not be the best solution.
83 Post contains images EA CO AS : Your act is getting so old. Don't you have any new material?
84 Rolfen : I can give you some. Following the "cedar revolution" in lebanon, Lebanon had kicked out a good part of syrian influence in the country. This is how
85 RJpieces : Much easier to blame the US and Israel for your problems rather than deal with the fact that SYRIA occupied your country for the last 20 years.
86 ME AVN FAN : Just to put the record straight, Syria in the late 80ies did end the Lebanese civil war and their troops were a stabilizing force. That they remained
87 Windshear : You gotta be kiddin'- right? I mean people have been chanting death to Israel and death to America in Lebanon for decades, how does it get worse than
88 ME AVN FAN : but only a few people in Lebanon, NOT "the" Lebanon. In case of any kind of "reunification" of Lebanon with Syria things might take quite a turn ! Im
89 Venus6971 : Just got done reading about what is happening in the Gaza today, Hamas refusing to make any type of peace with Israel unless they are pissing on the w
90 Post contains images Rolfen : The term occupation has a blurred definition. 80 000 syrian troops and countless secret services with headquarters all over the country were statione
91 ME AVN FAN : under your definition ABOVE it indeed WAS occupation, no doubt I have been in Beirut in 1974, 2004 and 2005, and in Damascus in about 1982, so that a
92 Post contains images Windshear : My G-d you use the term "occupation" ever so lightly, when it comes to Syria in Lebanon, but when it comes to the occupation of you know what, it is
93 ME AVN FAN : "occupation" of Lebanon by Syria for many years or at present of Iraq by the "alliance of the willing" is one thing, but allows the "occupied" to exi
94 Cedars747 : Totally agree with you.When it comes to Syrians,i remember that they entered Lebanon after a Strong demands from the Maronite's .What many people don
95 HKA : The very reason why muslims are in trouble is because they are going farther and farther away from the true Islam (Quran and the Sunnah, i.e. the way
96 Windshear : No Islam needs reform, the Jews have the Talmud and the Christians have the New testament, I think Islam lacks this buffer if you will, because there
97 QR332 : No, Islam is perfectly fine, if you are going to try to convince me that Christians and Jews don't do any wrong then don't expect anyone to take you
98 Mandala499 : Windshear, Islam as in the Qur'An does not and should not change! The fact that the text have not changed COULD have explained why we don't have more
99 Post contains links Baroque : Not sure what Jews do, but I can work out that Christians survive by ignoring the bits of the bible that they don't like - well more or less. This is
100 Windshear : Yes and let me make it clear this time, that this is exactly what needs to be done. The Talmud for example is the Jewish handbook on ethics and how t
101 Mandala499 : Baroque, Unfortunately, to alter the Qur'An will be and is totally unacceptable even to many moderates, as Windshear pointed out, the need is not that
102 Windshear : Indeed, and I understand why it is hard to go against ones religious leaders. For many today this seems like nothing, but it wasn't always easy here
103 Baroque : Yes I know that revision is not on, Tasleema's experiences show that very well. It is just the combination of no revision together with the closed lo
104 Mandala499 : Boaz, Its hard to go against one's religious leaders? That's one thing the Jews and the Muslims have in common! Bin Laden was Anakin Skywalker of our
105 Post contains images Windshear : What a great analogy! But true, very true... And others have as well. Interesting read, again this clearly shows how important both positive and logi
106 HKA : I believe the "receipt" concept is not in Quran but a hadith in which Prophet Muhammed mentions to have any transaction/contract in written form befor
107 Post contains images Windshear : Very interesting, thank you for this. There is much to be derived from religion... not all of it is face value IMO, but the root to our ancestors, ou
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