This is a tiny school, about 110 students grades 9-12, but the school houses K-12 with 360 students. It's amazing how these things happen in the places you'd least expect. My thoughts are with the principal and his family.
This same school had a student die on the way to school this morning in a car crash. Just a horrible day all around for that district.
edited to change school population & add car crash
JCS17 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 8065 posts, RR: 43 Reply 2, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 1357 times:
I have one and only one thought when it comes to these school shootings by students: crappy parenting. Really, if your kid goes and shoots up a school, you should be thrown in jail for the rest of your life. It's not like the kid woke up one morning and decided, "Hey, I'm gonna go kill someone at school!" How out of touch can you actually be to not notice that your kid is very obviously disturbed? These things don't come up without prior signs that should be obvious to parents who give a damn about their kids.
LTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 12365 posts, RR: 12 Reply 5, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1323 times:
The numerous cases of students killing at their schools reflects a deep problem in USA society. Far too many kids today have bad, stupid or inactive parents. Far too many kids play video games too much with their bloodless, morally benign digital killings as well as see too many TV shows and movies that cartoon violence, not showing the consequences on people. You also have far more children today that have mental health problems that are not diagnosed or where the stigma of it causes them and their parents discourages them from dealing with it.
Schools are limited on how much they can do that should be the parent's responsibilty and not take away time from their purpose to educate children in the reading, writing, math, history and other basic subjects.
AirCop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 7, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 1308 times:
Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 4): Homecoming meant that much to the little fuckwad? For the love of God! There are more important things in life than a silly school event.
Right on point!!! Mark do you know under Wisconsin law will this
StarAC17 From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 3234 posts, RR: 9 Reply 9, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 1305 times:
Quoting JCS17 (Reply 2): I have one and only one thought when it comes to these school shootings by students: crappy parenting. Really, if your kid goes and shoots up a school, you should be thrown in jail for the rest of your life. It's not like the kid woke up one morning and decided, "Hey, I'm gonna go kill someone at school!" How out of touch can you actually be to not notice that your kid is very obviously disturbed? These things don't come up without prior signs that should be obvious to parents who give a damn about their kids.
I think that bullying is more the root of the problem behind these, most of the time when these occur the shooters are treated like crap and getting the parents involved with it only makes the problem far worse and there is still no extensive penalties for bullies in school and it not just the physical ones that are bad. Being tormented by words can be just as bad or even worse. Often the school authorites won't give a big enough penalty to the ones that treat these people like crap and therefore there is no incentive to stop. If someone is treating another student like crap then they should be suspsended and if they continue they should be expelled.
Crappy Parenting is still involved but mainly in the ones that have kids that are bullies. Also JCS did your parents know absolutely everything you do I highly doubt it.
MUWarriors From United States of America, joined May 2005, 290 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 1295 times:
Quoting AirCop (Reply 7): Right on point!!! Mark do you know under Wisconsin law will this
Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 4):
little fuckwad?
be prosecuted as an adult, and is he looking at spending the majority of his life behind bars.
Best wishes for a speedy recovery for the Principal.
This wasn't directed to me, but my understanding is that anyone over the age of 10 in Wisconsin can be tried as an adult for major offenses such as this, so yes it is likely he will be tried as an adult. In this case if convicted in Wisconsin it will be life imprisonment without parole.
AsstChiefMark From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 11, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 1287 times:
Quoting MUWarriors (Reply 10): anyone over the age of 10 in Wisconsin can be tried as an adult for major offenses
Very good! You're correct.
A 1996 state law mandates that children ages 10 to 16 are automatically sent to adult court if they are charged with first-degree intentional homicide, first-degree reckless homicide, attempted first-degree intentional homicide or second-degree intentional homicide.
Allstarflyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 12, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1255 times:
What a waste. A principal (and one that cares) is one of the best examples for a kid when growing up. And that little murderer just took out a (what looks to be) good one.
Bingo. If parents did the parenting, instead of TV (or any other source), the kid might have had a different outlook.
Quoting JCS17 (Reply 2): How out of touch can you actually be to not notice that your kid is very obviously disturbed
Good question.
Quoting AsstChiefMark (Reply 11): Quoting MUWarriors (Reply 10):
anyone over the age of 10 in Wisconsin can be tried as an adult for major offenses
Very good! You're correct.
A 1996 state law mandates that children ages 10 to 16 are automatically sent to adult court if they are charged with first-degree intentional homicide, first-degree reckless homicide, attempted first-degree intentional homicide or second-degree intentional homicide.
Well, that's a step in the right direction. I'm not against murderers (as well as rapists and kid molestors) being strapped into a chair and doused with alcohol and lit publicly.
My old HS principal was a great guy (still is, I guess, haven't spoke to him in years - my loss). He was younger than what this principal was, but some general basics come together in comparing them. My principal was a big chunk of the glue that made our school work and made it even enjoyable (yes, , school was actually enjoyable). If some punk had done this at our place, some of us may have been doing time for beating the literal brains out of him. Condolences to the family, friends and colleagues.
JCS17 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 8065 posts, RR: 43 Reply 13, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 1221 times:
Bullying? And that's why he shot the principal and not the aggressors? I'd say that middle school was the hardest time of my life, I was picked on, and I got in a few fights at school. You know what happened? My parents recognized the problems I was having and instead of turning away, they cared about my feelings and my life. I went to counseling for a year and it turned my life around completely. Sophomore and junior year of HS I was elected class president. Look, I don't care what anyone says, these parents were most likely shitbags who could care less about their child. Of course, the majority of kids whose parents don't care, turn out okay at the end of the day. However, you've got that .1% who are so disillusioned they are willing to do something like this.
Bingo. If parents did the parenting, instead of TV (or any other source), the kid might have had a different outlook.
Exactly . . .
I'd venture most of the problems in this vein in this country today, could be soved with proper parenting. Unfortunately, this is X-Box lifestyle we lead doesn't appear to be going anywhere soon.
CastleIsland From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 15, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 1199 times:
Quoting JCS17 (Reply 2): I have one and only one thought when it comes to these school shootings by students: crappy parenting. Really, if your kid goes and shoots up a school, you should be thrown in jail for the rest of your life.
While crappy parenting is probably a major factor, it disturbs me that you would send someone to jail for the rest of their lives based on the actions of others. That really demonstrates a fundamental lack of understanding of the human condition that is far too prevalent in today's society. On both sides of the aisle, I might add.
JCS17 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 8065 posts, RR: 43 Reply 16, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 1190 times:
Quoting CastleIsland (Reply 15): While crappy parenting is probably a major factor, it disturbs me that you would send someone to jail for the rest of their lives based on the actions of others. That really demonstrates a fundamental lack of understanding of the human condition that is far too prevalent in today's society. On both sides of the aisle, I might add.
Right... he is a minor. He is under the care of guardians. He cannot do much legally without a signature from his parents. The lack of understanding of the "human condition?" Give me a f-ing break. Everyone here has been picked on, one time of their life or another, but to provide an excuse like "human condition" is laughable. His parents suck and should be thrown in jail. No kid should ever feel like their situation is so horrendous that they need to shoot someone.
AA61Hvy From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 13975 posts, RR: 59 Reply 17, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 1186 times:
Quoting JCS17 (Reply 16): Everyone here has been picked on, one time of their life or another,
Some more than others...JCS's nickname in middle school was wedgie....
Give me an f-ing break. Everyone should be responsible for their own actions, period.
The parents may be idiots, but the kid goes to jail forever in my mind. Tranferring blame is ludicrous. The parents MAY BE guilty of giving birth to a piece of crap, and the behavior may be partly due to their actions. But there are plenty of cases where good parents just have a piece of crap child. So you'd put them away for good? Genetics and abberations of genetics or just anti-social behavior can manifest itself despite the best efforts of parents.
Your solution shows no imagination nor deep thought at all. It's just a knee-jerk fundamentalist reaction to what you think is part of the problem in the world today. Thing is, you got that part right: it is a major problem, but throwing parents in jail for what their offspring do is as juvenile as the perpetrators of this rancid behavior.
You need to get to the root of it. A band-aid ain't gonna work. FYI, I have no children, and do not plan to, but I wouldn't go so far as to do what you have said.
StarAC17 From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 3234 posts, RR: 9 Reply 19, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 1167 times:
Quoting JCS17 (Reply 13): My parents recognized the problems I was having and instead of turning away, they cared about my feelings and my life. I went to counseling for a year and it turned my life around completely
Well you and me were in the same boat then because the same thing happened to me as well and my parents helped me with alot of things that helped me deal with a lot of crap in high school. However I have empathy for these kids (not necessarily this one specifically cuz I think this one was a nutcase because he was pissed with homecoming). However a lot of the shooters in the bast I truly belive were treated like crap more than most of us could ever imaging and felt that this was the only way out for them and there only means of payback.
Fro me in high school I was made fun of manily by verbal shit and the ability to resist kicking the people who did this to me's ass was from learning to control my temper (note I was bigger and stronger than these fuckers but I knew the conseqences of kicking their asses and never did it)
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