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Former Secretary Of State Powell Says He Was Fired  
User currently offlineAerospaceFan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 2517 times:

According to MSNBC, former Secretary of State Colin Powell reveals in a new tell-all book that he tried to warn President Bush against liberating Iraq during an exit interview that occurred after he was terminated by the White House. MSNBC claims that Powell found the President to be "disengaged" during that meeting and that he believes the latter did not appear to know that it was, in fact, an exit interview.

[[EDIT:] The book is a biography of the Secretary of State by Karen DeYoung.]

The report apparently claims that White House Chief of Staff Andrew Card has also attempted to fire Secretary of State Donald Rumsfeld.

MSNBC will be interviewing Card later this morning.

As an aside, I might note that MSNBC, a liberal network, appears to be on a full-court press to discredit the Republican Party, having run three consecutive stories tending to show it in an unfavorable light. Prior to the Powell story, the network ran a story claiming that Republican House leadership knew about the Foley e-mail controversy in advance. Currently it is airing a story concerning Bob Woodward's new book, State of Denial. MSNBC is also airing live commentary by Bill Harwood of CNBC, whose seems to believe that the chances for Democratic victory in the forthcoming elections have been increased as a result of these recent events.

[Edited 2006-10-01 14:47:49]

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User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 2513 times:

MSNBC notwithstanding, I don't think I find this a surprise.

Having met Powell, I can say without reservation, he's one of the finest soldiers I've ever met. Even though he rose into the heirarchy of several administrations, he never, ever forgot his roots or 'the little guy'.

So, if he disagreed with the administration and was canned, I find it entirely plausible. Likely in fact.

All that said: Id' like a link please. Source?

[Edited 2006-10-01 14:35:40]

User currently offlineAerospaceFan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 2510 times:

The source is MSNBC's cable programming, so I cannot link to it.

However, if Powell has a new book, then information concerning it should be available on BN.com or Amazon.com, or similar Website.

[[EDIT:] I was able to find no references to Powell's new book on either of the above-stated sites, nor at http://www.google.com. I will see if I can update this thread if I find further information of relevance to the MSNBC story.]

[[EDIT 2:] The book was not written by the former Secretary of State, but by a biographer, Karen DeYoung. Please refer to an update further in this thread.]

[Edited 2006-10-01 14:50:16]

User currently offlineTransIsland From Bahamas, joined Mar 2004, 2046 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 2498 times:

Quoting AerospaceFan (Thread starter):
The report apparently claims that White House Chief of Staff Andrew Card has also attempted to fire Secretary of State Donald Rumsfeld.

But then he realised he couldn't, because Rumsfeld wasn't Secretary of State...



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User currently offlineAerospaceFan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 2493 times:

The "tell-all book" in question appears to be a new book not by the former Secretary of State, but by a biographer, Karen DeYoung. The new book is referenced in the following New York Times article stating much of the information reported in the MSNBC story first mentioned above.

See:

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/01/wa...e088de3af&ei=5094&partner=homepage

The Times story refers to a 76-word excerpt from the book which appears in the Sunday magazine of The Washington Post.

[Edited 2006-10-01 14:50:39]

User currently offlineKlaus From Germany, joined Jul 2001, 21468 posts, RR: 53
Reply 5, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 2439 times:

Quoting AerospaceFan (Thread starter):
As an aside, I might note that MSNBC, a liberal network, appears to be on a full-court press to discredit the Republican Party, having run three consecutive stories tending to show it in an unfavorable light.

If you actually believe that it took "biased" reporting to make the republican party look like a bunch of morons, there is only one possible cause for it:

Quoting AerospaceFan (Thread starter):
State of Denial

 crazy 


User currently offlineAerospaceFan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 2438 times:

Quoting Klaus (Reply 5):
If you actually believe that it took "biased" reporting to make the republican party look like a bunch of morons, there is only one possible cause for it:

Everyone has an opinion, and for leftists, it seems that every opinion should be against the American government. So much for rational analysis.

While it may be true that the numbers of terrorists are increasing worldwide, the achievements of American policy must not be overlooked. There are now three fewer countries than before who support terrorist actions against the West, and large numbers of terrorist leaders have been killed or captured. These facts are ignored among celebrations of Bush-bashing that is equally insignificant coming from the mouths of journalists it could be from any typical seventh-grader eager to prove himself smarter than those who elected this President to conduct his fight against terror.

[Edited 2006-10-01 17:12:44]

User currently offlineMaury From United States of America, joined May 2005, 532 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 2424 times:

Poor AeroFanny...all of this bad news about ole Dubya and His Friendz getting reported--out LOUD for gosh's sake!-- just sends him into a lather. But he's such an inveterate pot-stirrer that he can't stop himself from starting a thread about the latest folly.

Hey, you kow what? Turns out the Foley emails were, after all, known to others a while back. And you know what else? Our National Republicanistical Leadership feels that, of all people, they themselves are just the dudes to ferret out the actual truth about this awful, awful thing which we knew about last yeat but have been awfully busy being productive (see: House, Senate records of achievement for this Congress.)

And reporting what people write in books is also OK these days--you know, when neo-fascit pin-up Ann Coulter goes on Fox "News" to bleat and bray about her latest book ("Democrats Are Satanic Spawn"), you sit back in the BarcaLounger and sigh contendedly...what's the diff?

And judging from the way things are starting to fall, you might want to either learn to accept the value of a free(er) press, or...see the doc about upping your nerve-pill 'scrip.


User currently offlineAerospaceFan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 2413 times:

Quoting Maury (Reply 7):
And reporting what people write in books is also OK these days--you know, when neo-fascit pin-up Ann Coulter goes on Fox "News" to bleat and bray about her latest book ("Democrats Are Satanic Spawn"), you sit back in the BarcaLounger and sigh contendedly...what's the diff?

I never said it was unacceptable to report unwelcome news, now, did I?

Far be it for me to introduce a straw man to a flame, however, so I'll just say that I appreciate your interest in my approach, even though, from your comments, you seem to misunderstand it by a mile.

[Edited 2006-10-01 17:39:30]

User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 2391 times:

Quoting AerospaceFan (Thread starter):
As an aside, I might note that MSNBC, a liberal network, appears to be on a full-court press to discredit the Republican Party

 Yeah sure

Sure, put a disclaimer for all the idiocies happening at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, AF. Typical of you.

And right now, the GOP doesn't need much help in being discredited. Between Iraq, and scandal, they're doing it quite well themselves, thank you.

Quoting TransIsland (Reply 3):
Quoting AerospaceFan (Thread starter):
The report apparently claims that White House Chief of Staff Andrew Card has also attempted to fire Secretary of State Donald Rumsfeld.

But then he realised he couldn't, because Rumsfeld wasn't Secretary of State...

 rotfl 

Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 6):
Everyone has an opinion, and for leftists, it seems that every opinion should be against the American government. So much for rational analysis.

Ah, yes, pull out the old "you're against the government" chestnut. That one to make the "leftists" (great choice of terms, dude) look un-American. Won't work. The war in Iraq, and Bush's bungling on just about everything else are the reasons I'm not for this administration. I'm ever bit for this country, though, which is why I can't stand what these louts are doing to it.

Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 6):
While it may be true that the numbers of terrorists are increasing worldwide, the achievements of American policy must not be overlooked.

Yes, increasing the number of terrorists in the world, with out idiotic invasion of a nation that couldn't threaten any one, is quite an achievement.

You are living in such a fantasy world, AF. You're so removed from reality that it's astounding.


User currently offlineAerospaceFan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 2387 times:

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 9):

Ah, yes, pull out the old "you're against the government" chestnut.

So you're telling me that leftists are not against the U.S. government? Who are they against, then? The military?

Like it our not, there is only one Head of State of the United States of America, and that is the President of the United States, who heads our government. The policies of the government are largely set by the President. That is the reality of the matter. In this context, one cannot simultaneously say that one is against the President and in favor of the government of the United States, except in the abstract.

[Edited 2006-10-01 18:00:12]

User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 2380 times:

Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 10):
So you're telling me that leftists are not against the U.S. government? Who are they against, then? The military?

I am against the policies of George W. Bush and his administration, AF. Now, if you're going to try and paint me somehow as anti-American with that, I'll have more than a few words with you. If you're saying somehow that this is un-American behavior, I'll tell you right where to go, my friend.


User currently offlineAerospaceFan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 2377 times:

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 11):
I am against the policies of George W. Bush and his administration, AF. Now, if you're going to try and paint me somehow as anti-American with that, I'll have more than a few words with you. If you're saying somehow that this is un-American behavior, I'll tell you right where to go, my friend.

I said what I said -- that critics of the government are in existence. Further, you cannot separate the President from our government. Now, all these other things you've mentioned, you may note that none of them are stated in anything I've said.


User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 2368 times:

Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 12):
I said what I said -- that critics of the government are in existence.

Yes, and they make up about 60% of the American people right now. You are a bit of a minority, I hope you know.

Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 12):
Further, you cannot separate the President from our government. Now, all these other things you've mentioned, you may note that none of them are stated in anything I've said.

Often, AF what isn't said, is just as important, if not more so, than what is said.

I'll let that hang out there for you to chew on. I know what you meant, and you didn't deny it. And for that you can kiss my behind.


User currently offline11Bravo From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1718 posts, RR: 10
Reply 14, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 2368 times:

Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 6):
Everyone has an opinion, and for leftists, it seems that every opinion should be against the American government.

It's more than a little bit difficult to accept your characterization of "leftists" considering your firmly established position on the extreme right of the American political spectrum. Are the 80% of Americans who are to the left of your political position all "leftists" in your eyes?

Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 6):
There are now three fewer countries than before who support terrorist actions against the West, and large numbers of terrorist leaders have been killed or captured.

What a load of nonsense. What specific countries are you referring to? I sure as hell hope you're not including Iraq and Afghanistan in that category. Both of them have many, many more followers of radical Islam than they did pre 9/11.

As for the number of terrorists killed, that means nothing if in the process of killing one terrorist, you create three or four more to take his place. That is precisely what has occurred as a result of Bush's deeply flawed and naive conduct of the War on Terror. For you to suggest that somehow this utterly incompetent policy implementation constitutes "achievements of American policy" is preposterous.



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User currently offlineTexan From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 4278 posts, RR: 52
Reply 15, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 2361 times:

Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 6):

Everyone has an opinion, and for leftists, it seems that every opinion should be against the American government. So much for rational analysis.

So a "rational analysis" is to call all "leftists" as being against the American government? You are a piece of work...

So I guess since "righties" refuse to even question the government, unless Bill Clinton is in office (remember him, he's the guy who you righties directed your ire at), that everyone on the right is traitorous and complicit in the decline of America? Please. Use common sense. There is a growing number of Republicans who are fed up with the government. There is a growing number of Democrats who are fed up with the government. Your analysis lacks the very characteristic you purport to want: being rational.

Now as for the subject matter at hand, it doesn't really come as a surprise, does it? The media reported rumors about this from the time he left office. People suspected it even if it was not official. Not having read the book, I'm also unwilling to believe everything this biographer says. So we're back to where we started.

Texan



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User currently offlineMaury From United States of America, joined May 2005, 532 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2314 times:

Wow and gee...looks like I'm not the only one who misunderstands Fanny's positions and methods of communication and motives. Wow and gee.

I'm also still waiting to hear when it became official that Rummy's SecState. That was news to me.


User currently offlineSearpqx From Netherlands, joined Jun 2000, 4344 posts, RR: 10
Reply 17, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2304 times:

Quoting AerospaceFan (Thread starter):
As an aside, I might note that MSNBC, a liberal network, appears to be on a full-court press to discredit the Republican Party, having run three consecutive stories tending to show it in an unfavorable light.



Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 6):
Everyone has an opinion, and for leftists, it seems that every opinion should be against the American government. So much for rational analysis.



Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 10):
So you're telling me that leftists are not against the U.S. government? Who are they against, then? The military?

So was this thread an attempt to start a discussion about whether or not Powell was 'fired', or a thinly veiled attempt to go off on yet another rant about 'leftists' ? And for the record, exactly what part of reporting current events and news qualifies an outlet as 'liberal'? When it reports anything that's unfavorable to the Admin?



"The two most common elements in the universe are Hydrogen and stupidity"
User currently offlineAerospaceFan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2272 times:

Quoting Maury (Reply 16):
I'm also still waiting to hear when it became official that Rummy's SecState. That was news to me.



Quoting AerospaceFan (Thread starter):
The report apparently claims that White House Chief of Staff Andrew Card has also attempted to fire Secretary of State Donald Rumsfeld.

You're right, Maury. I should have said "Secretary of Defense".

Quoting Texan (Reply 15):
So a "rational analysis" is to call all "leftists" as being against the American government? You are a piece of work...

It's hard to deny that leftists are against the government. All you have to do is check any of the numerous blogs that are associated with the Democratic Party, which is out of power and hopes to become the government.

Quoting 11Bravo (Reply 14):
What a load of nonsense. What specific countries are you referring to? I sure as hell hope you're not including Iraq and Afghanistan in that category. Both of them have many, many more followers of radical Islam than they did pre 9/11.

As for the number of terrorists killed, that means nothing if in the process of killing one terrorist, you create three or four more to take his place. That is precisely what has occurred as a result of Bush's deeply flawed and naive conduct of the War on Terror. For you to suggest that somehow this utterly incompetent policy implementation constitutes "achievements of American policy" is preposterous.

Actually, it is the organized use of terror that is most damaging to the United States. The creation of terrorists is regrettable, but to be surprised at this fact is to overlook the obvious: In times of war, it will always be more possible to stir up certain kinds of passion than in times of peace. Unless you're a pacifist, you would be hard-pressed to deny that this should not be a bar against military action.

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 13):
Often, AF what isn't said, is just as important, if not more so, than what is said.

In this case, only in your mind.


User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2260 times:

Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 18):
It's hard to deny that leftists are against the government.

They're against the Bush administration. To be against "the government", which, in my mind, goes beyond any administration, but to the type of government we have, then you're accusing "leftists" (I laugh like hell when you use that word), of being treasonous, aren't you? And there's very few that are liberal, or who are against George W. Bush, who can be accused of that.

Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 18):
In this case, only in your mind.

Wrong. You know damn well what you were trying to allude to. I'm not buying it.

I guess this puts you so far to the right, you simply can't see straight anymore.

Just remember: YOU are the minority. That group that supports this guy, without question and without fail. You aren't the majority anymore.


User currently offlineTedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2259 times:

Quoting Maury (Reply 7):
Poor AeroFanny...all of this bad news about ole Dubya and His Friendz getting reported--out LOUD for gosh's sake!-- just sends him into a lather. But he's such an inveterate pot-stirrer that he can't stop himself from starting a thread about the latest folly.

   Brilliant!!

Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 8):
I never said it was unacceptable to report unwelcome news, now, did I?

You didn't use those words....but you sure as heel made it seem like MSNBC is CREATING the news you are talking about.

Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 8):
Far be it for me to introduce a straw man to a flame

  

Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 8):
misunderstand it by a mile.

  

Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 10):
So you're telling me that leftists are not against the U.S. government?

No, they are not

Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 10):
Who are they against, then?

The Righties and their tighty whities.

Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 10):
Like it our not, there is only one Head of State of the United States of America, and that is the President of the United States, who heads our government. The policies of the government are largely set by the President. That is the reality of the matter. In this context, one cannot simultaneously say that one is against the President and in favor of the government of the United States, except in the abstract.

Humm I recall the exact OPPOSITE being said aobut Abu Grahib.

AerospaceFan, you need to cool your heels for a bit. The problem is we are loosing no matter which party wins. If you are too blind to see that, I pity you.


(on subject)
I'll believe it when Mr. Powell shows up on MTP and affirms the report. Given his history of Republican support and apparent willingess to take the sword for this administration, I don't see it happening any time soon.

[Edited 2006-10-01 22:15:04]

User currently offline102IAHexpress From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1156 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2245 times:

Quoting AerospaceFan (Thread starter):
As an aside, I might note that MSNBC, a liberal network,

Wow, I’ve never heard anyone call MSNBC a liberal network before.

In the past few years, they’ve fired Phil Donahue, hired Tucker Carlson, hired Joe Scarborough, and hired Rita Cosby.
I’m not saying the network as whole leans conservative either; FWIW MSNBC has always been criticized in tv land for not leaning one way or the other. If anything they’re the most balanced of the 24 hour news networks.


User currently offlineAerospaceFan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2230 times:

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 19):
They're against the Bush administration. To be against "the government", which, in my mind, goes beyond any administration, but to the type of government we have, then you're accusing "leftists" (I laugh like hell when you use that word), of being treasonous, aren't you? And there's very few that are liberal, or who are against George W. Bush, who can be accused of that.

Well, that's your interpretation. It's not mine.

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 20):
You didn't use those words....but you sure as heel made it seem like MSNBC is CREATING the news you are talking about.

That wasn't my intent at all.

Quoting 102IAHexpress (Reply 21):
Wow, I’ve never heard anyone call MSNBC a liberal network before.

This is the network of Keith Olbermann, after all. And Chris Matthews. I'm not the first to call it the most liberal of the three major cable news networks.

[Edited 2006-10-01 22:35:03]

User currently offlineAndesSMF From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2221 times:

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 11):
I am against the policies of George W. Bush and his administration, AF. Now, if you're going to try and paint me somehow as anti-American with that, I'll have more than a few words with you. If you're saying somehow that this is un-American behavior, I'll tell you right where to go, my friend.

Falcon, I would not say you are against the policies of this administration, since from previous threads you seem aware of the threats the Western world is under at the moment. I would say you are against the methods this administration is using to eliminate these threats.

There is a fine line between rightful criticism and treason. I was reminded of this by a certain quote that came to light a few days ago. It said:

To U.S. President George W. Bush, ** questions: “why don’t you tell them how many million citizens of America and it’s allies you intend to kill in search of the imaginary victory and in breathless pursuit of the mirage towards which you are driving your people’s sons in order to increase your profits?

Who does that sound like?

** = Dr. Ayman al-Zawahiri, al-Qaeda second in command.

When the critics of this administration and al-Qaeda sound the same, I personally see a problem.

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 20):
but you sure as heel made it seem like MSNBC is CREATING the news you are talking about.

The news is not being created, obviously, but we cant come to a clear conclusion over what happened within a few days of the initial disclosures. So far, we have the basics of this story. The rest is plain hearsay at this moment.


User currently offline102IAHexpress From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1156 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2213 times:

Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 22):
This is the network of Keith Olbermann, after all. And Chris Matthews. I'm not the first to call it the most liberal of the three major cable news networks.

MSNBC is not liberal or conservative, they’re MSNBC. Their prime time lineup is the most balanced. period.


25 Post contains images JpetekYXMD80 : All the more reason to not take anything you say seriousy, as if i needed another!
26 QANTASforever : For goodness sake. It's like something out of the Chinese revolution. If Powell et al are 'leftists' does this make you a 'rightist', a 'lacky of the
27 11Bravo : It's a lot more than just regrettable. The goal is to have fewer terrorists, not more. The goal is to de-radicalize the Middle East, not push million
28 Post contains images Mdsh00 : And your blinding bias just shows here. They are also the network which has Joe Scarbrough and Tucker Carlson. You think they are "leftists" too?
29 AndesSMF : That is correct, but using your analogy, if you dont kick out the nest, it'll keep getting bigger and bigger, increasing the threat of biting you. We
30 Post contains links Santosdumont : Word games like that can provide some temporary fun....remember that one about identifying the guy who was a vegetarian, fervent Catholic, and all-ar
31 QANTASforever : Labels are lazy. As far as I'm concerned, unless labels are witty or humorous they should be avoided. QFF
32 ArtieFufkin : What on earth are you talking about? Iraq was not on the list of State sponsors of Terrorism before the War started (per US State Dept.) . In Afghani
33 AirCop : Do you really think the President is setting policy? I would consider the vast majority of the policy is coming from the Vice-President's office. Wer
34 Post contains links AerospaceFan : According to the Wikipedia, which is only sometimes a useful source, but is readily available as a starting point of inquiry, the following is true:
35 AirCop : Forgot to add, the Mr. Powell, is one of the most outstanding persons, that I have had the pleasure of meeting and listening to.
36 AerospaceFan : I'm quite certain he's a fine person. However, even fine people can be mistaken or can disagree as to methodologies of policy.
37 AirCop : Mr. Powell must be the new victim of the Bush adminstration policy if you don't agree with us 100%, we will smear you. Mr. Powell has served a number
38 AerospaceFan : Where's the smear?
39 Bushpilot : Although this being the first time it is reported I dont think this is really news. Anyone who can read between the lines knew or well presumed he was
40 Post contains links ArtieFufkin : I stand corrected. The State Department did not consider Iraq as having ties to al-Queda and their map (since removed) indicated this. http://www.thet
41 AerospaceFan : I appreciate your acknowledgment. On the Internet, it's not always easy to find people who admit when they've been wrong about anything, even though
42 Bushpilot : Despite the governments not sponsoring terrorist movements, that we know of Sure there arent any terrorists there anymore. With the Taliban making a c
43 AndesSMF : Excuses, the fact that their own government eggs them on is another reason. Saudi Arabia exporting their own brand of fiery Islam is another. This wh
44 Bushpilot : No, but I will say that us supporting despot leaders in countries full of wealth controlled by the very elite few while others are dirt poor is unacc
45 ANCFlyer : Which explains why he is no longer part of the Administration . . . I'm certain Mrs. Powell played a role in his departure, but she likely was not a
46 AirCop : I will give you that, although I was hoping back in 2001 we would have been able to call him President Powell.
47 ANCFlyer : And there's no question but that I WOULD have voted for him . . .
48 Falcon84 : Gonna be interesting to hear Gen. Powell chime in once the '08 race for President gets serious. I THINK he'd back McCain, but I'm not positive he'll
49 ANCFlyer : I would agree, McCain seems Powell's likely choice . . . Hmmmm, McCain/Powell ticket??? Alma would beat him if he did that. That would, hoever, be a
50 Post contains images AirCop : That would have two of us.. And the General would have won in a landside. But that choice was taken from us, when some GOP operatives leak that his w
51 AerospaceFan : I think that if Secretary of State Powell ran during the primaries as a Republican, he would probably lose. Besides, his wife apparently opposes his r
52 Baroque : What a wonderful thing a.net is. It has taught me, who voted against Keating, that I am a leftie. Not that Howard has not convinced me that was not a
53 AerospaceFan : Baroque, if you're a conservative who happens to oppose the Bush Administration, I apologize if the term "leftist" does not appropriately apply to yo
54 Baroque : I suppose if I were given a choice between leftie and Bush basher, I would pick the first, although my aim might be the latter. Bush critic probably
55 Jaysit : Oh, Lordie, Lordie! Chris Matthews is a .... gasp, liberal? The man who has for the past 4 years been one of the biggest cheerleaders for Dubya Bush,
56 Mandala499 : Like ANCflyer, I am not surprised at this "allegation"... and neither do I hearing someone tried to fire Rummy. Powell is one guy from the 1st GWB Adm
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