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Bush Critic Jack Murtha Under Attack  
User currently offlineAerospaceFan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 1654 times:

Prominent Bush Administration critic Jack Murtha is under attack for his statements relating to the Abscam scandal that resulted in the imprisonment of a number of Congressmen and Senators more than a quarter of a century ago.

According to one critic, Rep. Murtha has admitted that he was offered a bribe, despite denying it in the wake of the investigation. Despite failing to take the money, Murtha is said to have acted as if the bribe had been accepted.

For more on this developing story, please see:

http://www.bootmurtha.com/MurthaUpdates/OCT2006/10-01-06.htm

38 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21571 posts, RR: 55
Reply 1, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 1649 times:

Is there an actual article to back this up, apart from this piece on a website with an obvious agenda?

Members of Congress who take bribes need to be dealt with harshly, regardless of their positions. But I'll need a lot more than some "boot Murtha" website publishing a press release by Murtha's opponent to make me believe that there is (or was, as the case may be) some kind of foul play afoot.

-Mir



7 billion, one nation, imagination...it's a beautiful day
User currently offlineSTLGph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9345 posts, RR: 26
Reply 2, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 1646 times:

Quoting Mir (Reply 1):
Is there an actual article to back this up, apart from this piece on a website with an obvious agenda?

You mean you are asking Aerospace fan to provide something with depth?

Mir, dearest, are you delusional?



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User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 1646 times:

AF, no one gives a shit about a quarter century ago. They give a shit about NOW, and now is the fact your hero Bush has got us tied us in a war that Mr. Murtha opposes. So this is just a tactic to try and take pressure off the Administration. And you're simply adding to the attack.

Sorry, no one really cares.


User currently offlineAerospaceFan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 1638 times:

Quoting Mir (Reply 1):
Is there an actual article to back this up, apart from this piece on a website with an obvious agenda?

Please see:

http://www.tribune-democrat.com/loca...001701.html?keyword=secondarystory


User currently offlineAerospaceFan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 1633 times:

Here is more information on Jack Murtha:

http://www.washtimes.com/op-ed/20060620-083859-8753r.htm


User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13093 posts, RR: 12
Reply 6, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 1627 times:

A greater and more current issue of ethics as to Rep. Murtha is that his brother is lobbist for military contractors and may have approached his Congressmember brother, although Rep. Murtha denies any improper contacts. To bring up something he was cleared of 26 years ago smacks of despiration. Most of those caught in the Abscam scandal were Republicans if I am correct. Rep. Murtha has been one of the most outspoken Democrat against the Bush policy in Iraq and thus a major target for any kind of attack, true or not.

User currently offlineAerospaceFan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 1627 times:

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 6):
Most of those caught in the Abscam scandal were Republicans if I am correct.

Democrats, actually, judging from the conviction count.

Six Democrats, one Republican.

See:

http://www.answers.com/topic/abscam

[Edited 2006-10-02 03:25:06]

User currently offlineAirCop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 1622 times:

Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 4):
http://www.tribune-democrat.com/loca...001701.html?keyword=secondarystory

Worthless link..no counterpoint.
[quote=STLGph,reply=2]You mean you are asking Aerospace fan to provide something with depth?

Well maybe sometime in this century.


User currently offlineAndesSMF From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 1622 times:

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 3):
AF, no one gives a shit about a quarter century ago

Depends on what...you know that in politics, what happened years ago can easily come back to haunt, or at least dredged up again. By your own admission, the Bush National Guard story need not come up. And neither did all the stories of the indiscretions that Clinton committed.


User currently offlineAerospaceFan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 1622 times:

Quoting AirCop (Reply 8):
Worthless link..no counterpoint.

Show me a liberal news story cited in the last week here in this Forum where there was a counterpoint that was also presented at the same time.


User currently offlineTedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 1616 times:

Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 10):
Show me a

sign that you care about something other then being a pro Republican schill.


User currently offlineAerospaceFan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 1614 times:

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 11):
[Show me a] sign that you care about something other then being a pro Republican schill.

Ask and ye shall receive:

Democrats Denounce Chavez Insult Against President (by AerospaceFan Sep 22 2006 in Non Aviation)#ID1378175

And also,

Praise For Democratic Congressman's Campaign (by AerospaceFan Sep 17 2006 in Non Aviation)#ID1372648

I'm also the one who criticized President Bush for being borderline incompetent as a result of his illegal immigration policy and other matters of concern. Right here on these Boards, folks. Step right up and see.

[Edited 2006-10-02 03:45:56]

User currently offlineConfuscius From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 3854 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 1590 times:

"Democrats Denounce Chavez Insult Against President (by AerospaceFan Sep 22 2006 in Non Aviation)"


When did Linda Chavez insult the president? ...or was it Cesar?

 




BTW, I believe the statute of limitations on crimes commited stemming from Abscam have long expired.

[Edited 2006-10-02 03:59:02]


Ain't I a stinker?
User currently offlineAerospaceFan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 1588 times:

Quoting Confuscius (Reply 13):
When did Linda Chavez insult the president? ...or was it Cesar?

Linda Chavez, who must have been quite a babe in her time, would never insult the President. She's much too classy.  Smile

And Cesar Chavez has long since departed for the Great Beyond.

P.S.: I know you were kidding.  Wink


User currently offlineAerospaceFan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 1581 times:

Quoting Confuscius (Reply 13):
BTW, I believe the statute of limitations on crimes commited stemming from Abscam have long expired.

That may be true. However, I believe that there could be exceptions in cases of willful concealment, although I'd have to check on that.

In any event, whether he is subject to prosecution is not really the point. The point is whether he's a man of sufficient character given recent allegations which, if proved to be true, may cast doubt on that issue.

[EDIT:] A two-minute search came up with at least one reference to the tolling of an applicable statute of limitations, in an unrelated context, by virtue of willful concealment.

See:

http://www.metnews.com/articles/2005/acos050305.htm

[Edited 2006-10-02 04:05:18]

User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21571 posts, RR: 55
Reply 16, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 1545 times:

Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 4):
Please see:

http://www.tribune-democrat.com/loca...story



Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 5):
Here is more information on Jack Murtha:

http://www.washtimes.com/op-ed/20060...r.htm

Ok, so what he have here is another article about how Murtha's opponent says that crimes were committed (though she admits that she has no idea if the evidence is legit or not), and then an editorial about him. I already knew from your original "article" that Murtha's opponent is making some sofar-baseless accusations, and while an editorial would be great if I wanted an opinion about Murtha, I'm afraid I'm more interested in facts about Murtha.

Quoting STLGph (Reply 2):
Mir, dearest, are you delusional?

Probably. I knew there was a side-effect to those pain medications....

-Mir



7 billion, one nation, imagination...it's a beautiful day
User currently offlineN174UA From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 994 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 1537 times:

I knew I recognized that Abscam name from somewhere...for those of you saw "Donnie Brasco" starring Johnny Depp and Al Pacino, there was a reference to this scandal, when they rented a yacht for a mob sit down/party in Florida.

Anyway...I've seen way too many movies.  Yeah sure

It's all referenced here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abscam


User currently offlineAerospaceFan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (7 years 11 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 1511 times:

It's funny how the media never jumps on Murtha for any of his actual or potential scandals.

It's funny how CNN is covering the Foley scandal to the max, and has never once has mentioned Studds.

It's funny how some liberals deny that there is a bias against Republicans and conservatives in the mainstream media.

In fact, it's so funny, I sometimes think we all must be living on a farm, and that not long ago, though we've forgotten it, they were coming to take us away.

That sad part -- and here is the saving grace -- is that some of us don't buy the spin the media puts on the news. Pity, since at least we'd be unified as a country, if only in an illusion of objectivity and good feeling.


User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (7 years 11 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 1504 times:

Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 5):
Here is more information on Jack Murtha:

http://www.washtimes.com/op-ed/20060...r.htm

LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL.

The Washington Times, i.e., the Mooney Times is so full of sh*t, you can't even wipe your ass with it.

The mouthpiece for the far right fringe of the GOP is after Murtha because he has half the Pentagon behind him, and because he's shown the idiot President and his cheerleaders, for the thugs they are.

If you want to provide more information on Murtha, don't cut and paste from a "news" source that NO one reads.


User currently offlineAerospaceFan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (7 years 11 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 1504 times:

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 19):
The Washington Times, i.e., the Mooney Times is so full of sh*t, you can't even wipe your ass with it.

Two words: "Arthur Sulzberger". Prominent Bush critic. Owner of the New York Times.


User currently offlineHalls120 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (7 years 11 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 1504 times:

Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 18):
It's funny how CNN is covering the Foley scandal to the max, and has never once has mentioned Studds.

Good point. I would alter the issue in this fashion. Since we have many Anet posters who have been quick to indict the the entire GOP for the misdeeds of this one pervert, are they going to hold the democrats to the same standard?

Just wondering. After all, should we assume that every democratic representative has wads of illicit cash in THEIR freezer just because one does?


User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21571 posts, RR: 55
Reply 22, posted (7 years 11 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 1491 times:

Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 18):
It's funny how the media never jumps on Murtha for any of his actual or potential scandals.

Fox hasn't picked up the Murtha story either (as of this post). This isn't even a potential scandal yet - it's an accusation whose basis is pretty damn shaky.

Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 18):
It's funny how CNN is covering the Foley scandal to the max, and has never once has mentioned Studds.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/09/30/foley.quits/index.html

From the article: "The page program, which brings young people from around the country to work on Capitol Hill, came under intense scrutiny in 1983, after two lawmakers -- Rep. Gerry Studds, a Massachusetts Democrat, and Rep. Dan Crane, an Illinois Republican -- were censured following their admission they had consensual sexual relationships with 17-year-old pages.

Neither lawmaker resigned, but Crane was defeated for re-election in 1984. Studds survived the scandal and continued to serve in the House until retiring in 1996."


That search took about five seconds. Oh, and by the way - FOX's top story is also about Foley.

Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 18):
It's funny how some liberals deny that there is a bias against Republicans and conservatives in the mainstream media.

It's funny how some conservatives love to say that they're under attack from the "liberal media". You have control over the House, the Senate and the White House, and an increasing influence on the Supreme Court, and you're getting all worked up about a "liberal media"? If the Democrats controlled all three branches of government, I'd wouldn't give a crap about a "conservative bias" in the media. I'd trade control of the government for Karl Rove getting to run all the major news networks in a second. Quit whining.

That said, there really isn't that much bias. Ever consider that the media naturally trends against the people in power? And who's in power now? In Congress, that would be the GOP. In the White House, the GOP again. Supreme Court - can't really say controlled by the GOP, but it has become more conservative during Bush's presidency. So I would think it's pretty clear who would be the main media target. Oh, and if this Murtha thing ever did develop into something more substantial, it would get coverage on all the major networks.

-Mir



7 billion, one nation, imagination...it's a beautiful day
User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (7 years 11 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 1487 times:

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/02/wa...614c4d7bf&ei=5094&partner=homepage

Interesting article on how Murtha has delivered Democrat votes for GOP bills.

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 21):
Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 18):
It's funny how CNN is covering the Foley scandal to the max, and has never once has mentioned Studds.

Good point. I would alter the issue in this fashion. Since we have many Anet posters who have been quick to indict the the entire GOP for the misdeeds of this one pervert, are they going to hold the democrats to the same standard?

You can't be serious, right?

The Gerry Studds scandal occurred back in 1983, 23 years ago, a scandal which incidentally occurred in tandem with the Dane Crane scandal. Crane was an Illinois Republican who in 1983 was accused of having sex with an underage female page (Studds, contrast, had sex with a male page).

The Studds scandal made the front pages of the news when it occurred for over a year. Back in 1983, having the gay factor made it more lurid than the Crane case, but both scandals were in the constant glare of media attention.

So, I ask you, why oh why should CNN cover the Studds scandal today? 23 years after the fact? And if you - AerospaceFan - are now baying for coverage of the Studds scandal, are you also baying for coverage of the Crane scandal? And judging by your laugheable demand, I suppose that press coverage of the Vietnam war in 1974 was biased because it should have included news on the 1961 Bay of Pigs disaster?

Thoughts before fingers hitting the keyboard. Always a good idea!

Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 18):
That sad part -- and here is the saving grace -- is that some of us don't buy the spin the media puts on the news.

Actually the sad part (if it also weren't so funny) is just how funny your comments are. Reading your posts is a bit like watching the coyote's antics on the Road Runner's cartoons.

Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 10):
Show me a liberal news story cited in the last week here in this Forum where there was a counterpoint that was also presented at the same time.

What is a liberal news story versus a conservative news story?

Are these liberal or conservative?

Rumsfeld says he has Bush's Confidence http://www.wtop.com/?nid=116&sid=589950
Al Qaeda fugitive killed in Yemen http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5396862.stm

What about this?
George Michael had drugs in car http://www.cnn.com/2006/SHOWBIZ/Musi.../02/people.michael.reut/index.html

If its news, and it its topical and correct, then its neither liberal nor conservative. Your concepts are muddied.


User currently offlineHalls120 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (7 years 11 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 1481 times:

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 23):
Quoting Halls120 (Reply 21):
Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 18):
It's funny how CNN is covering the Foley scandal to the max, and has never once has mentioned Studds.

Good point. I would alter the issue in this fashion. Since we have many Anet posters who have been quick to indict the the entire GOP for the misdeeds of this one pervert, are they going to hold the democrats to the same standard?

You can't be serious, right?

Yes, I am. I'm not suggesting we drag up the Studds allegations. Which you would have understood had you bothered to read my entire post. I'm simply asking if we should assume that every democratic representative has tens of thousands of dollars in allegedly illegal cash in their freezer because one did.


25 AerospaceFan : I was watching CNN and at approximately 5:34 a.m., Pacific Time, 8:34 a.m. Eastern, CNN mentioned the scandal without ever mentioning Studds. In fact
26 AerospaceFan : Because history matters. As someone else said, didn't someone just mention the National Guard service of President George W. Bush, of which much was
27 Mir : There is a difference between the past actions of the person under investigation and someone who committed the same act in the past. Had Foley had a
28 Post contains images AirCop : Somebody really needs to get a life.
29 AerospaceFan : It may be, but even in this day and age, not everyone is online, and CNN exists as a cable news operation first, and an online operation second. I th
30 Post contains images Superfly : Yep, back when she was a Democrat. Awh AerospaceFan is a little sad that a few of his precious Republicans are in trouble. So he digs up a link from
31 Post contains images Gilligan : Thanks for beating me to it, I've been pretty busy these past few days. Unfortunately in his case, the past indiscretions went to show pattern as it
32 AerospaceFan : Excellent points, Gilligan! I commend you for bringing them forth to our attention.
33 Post contains images Superfly : Man you are cracking me up! The Washington Times is a right-wing news rag! Perhaps you are mixing them up with the Washington Post which is the serio
34 AerospaceFan : Once again, you've only engaging in finger-pointing. Arthur Sulzberger, Jr., has publicly called for political opposition to President Bush, and yet
35 Gilligan : Superfly why don't you quit huffing for a while and read the entire post that the quote came from before posting. You are starting to look pretty foo
36 Superfly : Gilligan: You are the one "huffing". I am just laughing at your post. What is that supposed to mean?
37 Post contains links and images Confuscius : This thread might be moot. Victory is imminent. Mission Accomplished. Time to stock up on champagne! War plans: Congress OKs $20 mil for victory parti
38 AerospaceFan : Whether Murtha is right or not about Iraq shouldn't really have much bearing on whether the scandal allegations against him should torpedo his chances
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