Dtwclipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 3180 times:
As far as I'm concerned, this is BS. I want to fly to MSP with a bottle of Vodka just to take a cab!
MINNEAPOLIS, Sept. 30 (AP) — Hundreds of Muslim cabdrivers at Minneapolis-St. Paul International Airport may soon be required to put different colored lights atop their vehicles after refusing to take customers they know are carrying alcohol.
The proposal, which would allow airport workers to direct travelers to cabs more efficiently, needs approval from the airport’s taxicab advisory committee, and airport officials hope to have the lights ready by year’s end.
If the proposal is adopted, cabdrivers without the light who refuse a fare will be sent to the back of the line, which often means a three-hour wait.
AA61Hvy From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 13977 posts, RR: 58 Reply 3, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 3158 times:
I'll get into a cab with them, drunk. I wont have a bottle with me. The bottle will be in my tummy. I will vomit all over the back seat. I'm of legal age, I have the right to carry (not drink it) in the cab.
From South Park:
"I thought this was America. I didn't know I live in a Communist country."
LTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 12673 posts, RR: 13 Reply 7, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 3145 times:
I don't see where under the laws of public accomidation and our separation of religion and state in the USA, that they can have such a car by car rule. I could understand them not accepting riders whom appear to be intoxicated and could make a mess of their cab, and so on. What about street work? I bet 80% of their business after 9 pm involves people whom have been drinking and possibly intoxicated.
MDorBust From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 9, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 3118 times:
That's a load of horse manure.
What ever agency oversees the licensing and regulation of cab companies needs to create a standard for carriage. All cabs need to meet and abide by those standards. Denying carriage based on concerns for operator safety is one thing, denying carriage based on the possession of a legal item is another.
KaiGywer From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 12125 posts, RR: 37 Reply 12, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 3102 times:
Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 10): Do they make random-checks of the luggage ? Or interrogations of the passengers ? Very very strange.
The Strib had a story on this too. They only refuse if they see taxfree bags, or by admission of the passenger. Personally, I think the light idea is stupid, I say if they refuse a ride, send them to the back of the line, light or no light. What's next? The wheelchair pushers refusing to help a person with a bottle of wine in their hand luggage?
Dtwclipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 13, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 3098 times:
Quoting LHMARK (Reply 11): I guess they could do it if they were private owner-operators,
I don't know the laws, as I'm not a lawyer, but I am 100% sure that taxis are licenced by either the state or the local municipality, so they are private companies serving the public under the laws of the land.
If you want to offer "halal" cabs that's one thing, but refusing pax at the airport is just another example of religious fundamentalism gone astray
KaiGywer From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 12125 posts, RR: 37 Reply 14, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 3079 times:
Looks like an attorney could have some fun with this:
368.01 Powers of certain metropolitan area towns. Subd. 12. Taxis, haulers, car renters. The town
board may by ordinance license and regulate baggage wagons, dray
drivers, taxicabs, and automobile rental agencies and liveries.
At a minimum, an ordinance to license or regulate taxicabs or
small vehicle passenger service must provide for driver
qualifications, insurance, vehicle safety, and periodic vehicle
363A.11 Public accommodations.
Subdivision 1. Full and equal enjoyment of public
accommodations. (a) It is an unfair discriminatory practice:
(1) to deny any person the full and equal enjoyment of the
goods, services, facilities, privileges, advantages, and
accommodations of a place of public accommodation because of
race, color, creed, religion, disability, national origin,
marital status, sexual orientation, or sex, or for a taxicab
company to discriminate in the access to, full utilization of,
or benefit from service because of a person's disability; or [irrelevant information regarding disabilities]
Now, in my religion, I like to consume alcohol. It would therefore be discriminatory to refuse me service on the basis of this
UH60FtRucker From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 16, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 3059 times:
I don't understand this... because I've seen plenty of drunk Muslims in Iraq. (Now before some of you flip out - I am not saying ALL Muslims )
But yeah, that's right... just because this is a Muslim nation, doesn't mean some good ole' boys aren't kicking back with some ALKY-HALL! Yup, that's something they don't mention in the Fromers Iraq Travel Guide... Iraqi shops sell some devil wine!
And do you know what some of them do after they partake in their drinking activities? They drive their stereotypical 1993 white Toyota pickup home. HA! That's right! They drive DRUNK!!!!! "No UH60, you're wrong, there is no drunk driving in Iraq. It's a Muslim nation." Yeah... and I suppose those Iraqis are swerving all over the road and crashing into things because of poor eye sight.
In fact, I remember this one time about a month ago, we were providing air support for a raid on a compound outside of Bayji. While we were orbiting the area, these two jokers come screaming out of the compound in... you guessed it... a '93 White Toyota Pickup. So they're fleeing the area, thus compelling us to give chase. See, when my passenger tells me, "Oh no my friend!!! We are driving a 93 Toyota sh*tbox, and there is a Black Hawk right behind us! We should stop immediately!" I think I would listen to him. But nah... these guys want to see if they can outrun me. So here they are, blasting across the desert, smoke POURING out from the engine and they're obviously running this truck for all it's worth. And do I give a sh*t? Of course not, because he's got nothing but desert between him and the Syrian boarder. Go ahead my Iraqi buddy, try and out run me.
So now his friend must be saying, "Oh no, my friend!! We running from the Americans, our truck is on fire, there is a Black Hawk outside our door, and we've got nothing but desert in front of us. I think we are... how do you say? ... f*cked?" But they STILL don't give up. Now they start acting erratic and swerving. Because... you know... by swerving in the middle of god damn nowhere, you are some how cause me to lose sight of you!!!
And as we watch this comedy from 50 above, the show comes to an end, as he runs straight into a sand dune and flips the piece of sh*t over! Smoke, dust and pieces go everywhere!
Point of the story... these two fine gentlemen were DRUNK. If only I had caught it all on camera, I could have had the first episode of COPS - IRAQ!
KaiGywer From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 12125 posts, RR: 37 Reply 18, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 3025 times:
Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 15): send them out of the airport. I mean if a taxi-driver prohibits smoking or eating or drinking by passengers while enroute, OK, but such notions are simply unacceptable
Exactly. The no-eating and drinking rule is simply to avoid a mess in the car. If I have a bottle of wine in a bag, that is none of their business. Good thing at MSP is that they DO have to leave the airport, as the staging area is outside the airport And there are a LOT of taxis there.
Falstaff From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 5877 posts, RR: 28 Reply 19, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 3001 times:
When I was a student at Central Missouri State University (now University of Central Missouri) there was a cab company (one guy actually) called Rainbow cab. This guy was a quite the southern Baptist and refused to pick anyone up at a bar or to drop anyone at a bar or anywhere that served alcohol. In 1997 a new guy came to town and bought a couple of late model Dodge Dynastys and opened his own weekends only cab company. Within a few months he hired four drivers, six cabs, and 24-7 operation. The other guy went out of business in about six months. With the name rainbow in the title I wonder if that guy ever attracted any gays to his business, because of the rainbow name and If he hated alcohol so much I couldn't imagine what he thought of them.
Quoting AA61Hvy (Reply 8): In all seriousness this reminds me of those Christian guys who refused to fill birth control prescriptions... You must separate religion and work, otherwise find another job.
MKEdude From South Korea, joined May 2005, 1010 posts, RR: 1 Reply 20, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 2982 times:
I agree with the general consensus on this topic-the whole idea is bullshit!! Now I believe that America should welcome immigrants from all over, and that this nation should be a gathering place of all cultures and beliefs, blah blah kumbayah...but that tolerance has to run both ways. If you are Muslim and you cannot accept that alcohol is legal in this country than may I be so bold as to suggest that this may not be the right country for you.
Seriously, if you can't deal with people who do not share the same beliefs as you then stay home, you'll be happier in the long run.
"You can't be a real country unless you have a beer and an airline." Frank Zappa
Mandala499 From Indonesia, joined Aug 2001, 6400 posts, RR: 74 Reply 21, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 2973 times:
Well, there are 2 ways of seeing this... either way it's silly...
1. Sure, they have the right to refuse pax who's got alcohol... and they declared it by having the different coloured lights. BUT, that also means, the pax has the right to refuse entering a cab with that different light due to him carrying alcohol or claiming to do so if the pax would feel uncomfortable being driven by Mr. Ahmed. So it works BOTH ways! Discriminate and be discriminated!
2. SEND THEM TO THE BACK OF THE LINE!
When losing situational awareness, pray Cumulus Granitus isn't nearby !
EK156 From United Arab Emirates, joined May 2005, 765 posts, RR: 2 Reply 22, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 2973 times:
I am a Muslim and I think the Cabbies are over doing it!!! I mean they should have no right to ask or even try to figure out what a passenger is carrying. If the passenger tries to drink on board the cab then that's another issue which is within no drinking, smoking or eating rules or whatever....
Someone must have spread a rumour or scared them about something!!! I hate this.... I mean a lot of Muslims work as waiters and they have to serve Alcohol most of the time... and they still do it cause it is part of their job and it is not their.... this is too extreme!!!
If you are worried about being wrong then change jobs... simple... what a passenger is carrying in their bags is none of anyone's business. Your job is to carry the passenger from point A to B... period!!!
Dtwclipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 23, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 2961 times:
Quoting Mandala499 (Reply 21): 1. Sure, they have the right to refuse pax who's got alcohol... and they declared it by having the different coloured lights. BUT, that also means, the pax has the right to refuse entering a cab with that different light due to him carrying alcohol or claiming to do so if the pax would feel uncomfortable being driven by Mr. Ahmed. So it works BOTH ways! Discriminate and be discriminated!
2. SEND THEM TO THE BACK OF THE LINE!
So the question comes about, what happens if all of the "wet" cabs are taken and all that are left are the "dry" ones?
Quoting EK156 (Reply 22): Someone must have spread a rumour or scared them about something!!!
Gee, I wonder "who" could have spread such rumours, and from what pulpit?
Quoting EK156 (Reply 22): I mean a lot of Muslims work as waiters and they have to serve Alcohol most of the time... and they still do it cause it is part of their job and it is not their.... this is too extreme!!!
Mandala499 From Indonesia, joined Aug 2001, 6400 posts, RR: 74 Reply 24, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 2945 times:
Errr... no, better wait for another three hours for the wet ones to return to the airport! I'm sure it'll be more agony for the dry guys and perhaps shake sense into their brains!
Perhaps we should start a cab company where on the door it states: "If you are a religious fundamentalist, take the next cab!"...
I wonder how many of our cabs will be blown up or burnt within the first week?
I personally am tired of having cab rides in Europe/Australia where the cabbie is a Muslim and asks "You from Indonesia? You Muslim?" and then starts rabbiting on about religious discrimination, US imperialism, etc, etc etc and then starts pushing me to agree with him... I offended one by saying "if that's your view maybe you should go back to (insert possible list of country of origin of the cabbie)" LOL... though I wouldn't do it on a midnight cab ride!
When losing situational awareness, pray Cumulus Granitus isn't nearby !
25 JCS17: The Somali (and that's who the vast majority of these Muslim drivers are) cabbies in Minneapolis absolutely suck. I've taken five or six cab rides aro
26 TRVYYZ: I guess they will be running out of colours for lights, for no Jews, no Christians, no Shias, no Sunnis ......where does it end? A cab driver is a cab
27 N1120A: What for? Big deal. They don't want to carry alcohol. They don't get the business. How hard is that to deal with? They are allowed to do that and sti
28 Dtwclipper: Um, apples and oranges here. If anyone wants to take the Sabbath off, that's not a problem. Trust me, there are not a lot of Jewish cab drivers who w
29 N1120A: Say there were. What then? You are right, this is America. Private business runs this place and taxis are a private business. If a restaurant can tel
30 AerospaceFan: How about, "No Colored People"? The truth is, I think, that certain rules apply to public establishments and common carriers that would not apply to
31 KaiGywer: Taxis are licensed by the city in which they operate, and hence cannot discriminate. See my statute quote above.
32 FlyingTexan: A good definition of discriminaton factors is what can or cannot control - for example; their gender, race, and age. One can control entering a taxi
33 ME AVN FAN: It is difficult. I mean, somebody innocently carrying a duty-free shop bag with one bottle of spirits will NOT be accepted, while the one who bought
34 QR332: While I disagree with this and think it is over the top, I think the cabbies have a right to choose whether they will take a customer or not. At the e
35 ME AVN FAN: not so easy. In many places (in Switzerland and France for instance) you have to take the first in line. HE may refuse, for instance if you do NOT go
36 Aa757first: This would be a tough issue for me. I plan on getting my BBA and BSN when I go off to college. I know I would never participate in an elective abortio
37 AirxLiban: What bullshit to allow them to reject the business to begin with. Either play by the same rules as every other civilised person out there or go and cr
38 ME AVN FAN: Even if, no problem is having a taxi base somewhere around town, but it is NOT their airport, it is NOT their city and it is NOT the business of a ta
39 Aa757first: I agree with the airport being able to refuse them to solict business from the taxi pick-up line. AAndrew
40 AA61Hvy: I have a suggestion: The Muslims that have a problem with alcohol can go work in pharmacies, and the Christians that have a problem with birth contro
41 Lewis: Customers can put the booze in hand luggages or other pieces of luggage. What is the cab driver gonna do? Ask the customer to open the bags and check?
42 JCS17: There are a lot of passengers who come back from the Caribbean or wine country with a case (four or six bottles) of alcohol. Not to mention that peop