Newark777 From United States, joined Dec 2004, 8796 posts, RR: 39 Reply 1, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 656 times:
I wonder how long this will last, though. There is such a large market, you have to believe it's only a matter of time before it is legalized and taxed.
NeilYYZ From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 2647 posts, RR: 19 Reply 2, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 646 times:
If you were to go to Sports Interaction and fund your account with Neteller, which I'm sure is still legal, as you can pay for a lot of stuff on eBay with Neteller, you can then add the money to your Sports Interaction account and gamble from there. To withdraw it, remove it from Neteller, right back into the old bank account.
I'd be suprised if they were able to stop this type of activity, unless they got Sports Interaction to agree not to allow US Neteller accounts to deposit money.
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Gman94 From United Kingdom (England), joined May 2004, 1197 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 624 times:
What exactly is the reasoning behind the so called 'Land of the Free' restricting what their citizens do with their money?
The company I work has never taken bets from US customers so we are pretty unaffected by this but I know some of our exeuctives have spoken about the possibility of been arrested on their trips to the US.
Searpqx From United States, joined Jun 2000, 4303 posts, RR: 19 Reply 4, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 621 times:
Its the standard (or more accurately, double standard) Puritanical Morality that we display in our public lives at work again. Remember gambling is a sin! (Except in Nevada, New Jersey and on Indian Reservations, or in those states that have chosen to fund basic services through a lottery. Horse and Dog racing excepted. Offer void where common sense and tax revenue apply)
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Vanguard737 From United States, joined Aug 2001, 549 posts, RR: 4 Reply 5, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 597 times:
Quoting Gman94 (Reply 3): What exactly is the reasoning behind the so called 'Land of the Free' restricting what their citizens do with their money?
And what is the reasoning behind your government telling you you do not have the right to purchase a gun with YOUR money and defend YOURSELF should someone break into YOUR home??
THAT logic seems much more dangerous to me than restricting how poeple can throw themselves into debt...at the states burdon.
I am so sick of people from other countries telling us ignorant Americans what big jerks we are and how stupid our laws are. If you don't like it, tough! That's why this is OUR country and not YOURS!
BAxMAN From St Helena, joined May 2004, 671 posts, RR: 4 Reply 6, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 582 times:
Quoting Vanguard737 (Reply 5): And what is the reasoning behind your government telling you you do not have the right to purchase a gun with YOUR money and defend YOURSELF should someone break into YOUR home??
THAT logic seems much more dangerous to me than restricting how poeple can throw themselves into debt...at the states burdon.
I am so sick of people from other countries telling us ignorant Americans what big jerks we are and how stupid our laws are. If you don't like it, tough! That's why this is OUR country and not YOURS!
If you think that gambling is more socially damaging than the widespread use of firearms them, err, well, I s'pose it's your country, as you said......
Does seem a bit odd though that hardcore porn of the most peculiar variety is free to see, yet you can't have a game of poker, so I doubt that Congress is really that concerned for the moral wellbeing of The Waltons.
Ulterior motives in force here I suspect. I doubt that the lawmakers would stand in the way of a suitably powerful American company going into the world of online gambling. A loophole can be created when it such a need arises.
BaylorAirBear From United States, joined Jan 2005, 2908 posts, RR: 52 Reply 7, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 566 times:
Vanguard737 From United States, joined Aug 2001, 549 posts, RR: 4 Reply 8, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 566 times:
Quoting BAxMAN (Reply 6): If you think that gambling is more socially damaging than the widespread use of firearms them, err, well, I s'pose it's your country, as you said......
The Chief of Illinois State Police said it best in an open letter to Illinos police departments advocating the right to bear arms when he said - The only persons disarmed by gun control are the upstanding citizens. For only upstanding citizens will respect the laws placed upon them. The criminal will always obtain weapons, because they do so illegally, without regard for the law - the law that only the good citizen respects.
It is the truth. Illinois, the only state that still ignores the 2nd ammendment to the constitution, statistically has one of the HIGHEST gun violence rates in the country, despite the fact that the right to bear arms has been effectively eliminated in most respects.
As much as I am a proud gun owner, this thread isnt the place to discuss the merits of an armed society, start that topic and youll get the debate your looking for.
That being said, I can think of about 10 things that should have been higher on the agenda than online gambling. Certainly it can be harmful in certain settings. I am not much of a gambler, especially with money. But there is a certain amount of personal responsibility that comes with gambling. I have a few problems with the law:
Firstly, it was slipped in under a port security bill. This sort of thing happens all the time in DC and it is time for it stop! Only issues that are pertinent to the bill need to be addressed in it.
I am also tired of this black market legislation, it has proven time and time again that it is never effective, and the money spent on enforcement often goes wasted.
It is time for the legislature to figure out what it is that needs to be done to serve Americans.
TedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 10, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 548 times:
Quoting Greasespot (Thread starter): I like how the "get the gov't out of people lives" government have yet again found another way to intrude...
You know this always bothered me. While I wave the centrist flag, I also have an easy time SLAMMING Republicans on social issues. It's hypocrisy unabashed. It's embarrassing. OH yeah, let "people" choose (big business) to do whatever they want with money, but you little guy, no no.. you will not have an abortion, you will not gamble, not will not marry your same sex partner though you are CLEARLY not infringing on ANYONE'S right by doing so, you will not surf porn sites that are otherwise 100% legal, You will NOT make phone calls without us listening 'because we feel like it'. While Democrats are shitty pork pumping money managers, Republicans are just lying hypocritical assholes, and as of late have had pork that makes most Dem's embarrassed.
We as a country should be ashamed of the ride we have let these two parties get away with over the past 20 years. If I didn't believe we could do better, I WOULD leave. The day I give up hope that Americans will turn their back on these parties is the day I pack my bags.
Quoting Vanguard737 (Reply 5): That's why this is OUR country and not YOURS!
A little defensive are we? Why can't you plainly say you disagree with his position and yet respect his right to free speech (Johan and the mods permitting)?
Quoting Vanguard737 (Reply 8): It is the truth. Illinois, the only state that still ignores the 2nd ammendment to the constitution, statistically has one of the HIGHEST gun violence rates in the country, despite the fact that the right to bear arms has been effectively eliminated in most respects.
WTF are you talking about?? I know I could have brought a gun on SEVERAL occasions in Illinois.
Searpqx From United States, joined Jun 2000, 4303 posts, RR: 19 Reply 11, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 524 times:
Quoting Bushpilot (Reply 9): As much as I am a proud gun owner, this thread isnt the place to discuss the merits of an armed society, start that topic and youll get the debate your looking for.
Please guys, whats happened over in the Amish shooting thread is a disgrace. Don't replicate it here.
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Srbmod From United States, joined Mar 2001, 13457 posts, RR: 43 Reply 12, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 517 times:
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Steering the debate back on topic (You want to discussion gun control, go start a thread on it.).
Quoting Gman94 (Reply 3): What exactly is the reasoning behind the so called 'Land of the Free' restricting what their citizens do with their money?
I can name the reasons:
Harrah's Entertainment
MGM-Mirage
Ameristar
Penn National
That's just to name a few. The corporate owners of gambling establishments are threatened by the rise of these off-shore on-line gambling sites. So using their political lobbyists, they've gotten the gov't to put the smackdown on gambling on-line. Plus the states don't get any taxes on these winnings, so they're losing out on their cut as well.
Clamping down on on-line casinos and poker rooms is just going to take things back underground to the local bookie and to folks that run underground casinos and poker rooms. I'm sure the local bookie could care less about some online sports book getting clamped.
There will be ways around this ban (Just like with any other gov't enacted ban), as some US-based on-line casino users already had bank accounts off-shore from which they wagered.
I did briefly a few months back try one of the on-line casinos, and once I lost the money I deposited, I quit. I can see how folks can get addicted to on-line gambling. I was playing at times like I would with a casino program like Hoyle Casino, not caring that I had really lost $25 on a hand. In a regular casino situation, I don't get that way as having those chips in your hand makes you a little more aware of what your are doing. Some folks can't make the realization that this is real money you're playing with on-line, that it's not some computer game where when you run out of chips you can get more with no reprecussions.
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I highly doubt you did not know what I was going for there. But if your intelligence is indeed that low, I apologize. What seems more likely to me however is that you are one of those people who never has facts to make a point so instead looks for typos and then calls people stupid
Quoting TedTAce (Reply 10): WTF are you talking about?? I know I could have brought a gun on SEVERAL occasions in Illinois.
I never said you cannot buy/own a gun in Illinois. However, you cannot carry it on your person, you cannot transport it loaded. That violates the BARE section of "Keep and bare arms."
Quoting TedTAce (Reply 10):
A little defensive are we? Why can't you plainly say you disagree with his position and yet respect his right to free speech (Johan and the mods permitting)?
I can respond how I wish. I did not insult him or threaten harm, so what matter is it to you the wording I choose?
AirCop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 14, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 515 times:
And I suppose there is a loophole big enough to drive a Mack truck through will allow the horse racing and dog racing organizations continue to accept bets via the computer. Didn't the US lose a case in the World Court regarding on-line betting. I thought that Antigua brought action against the US.
Quoting Gman94 (Reply 3): What exactly is the reasoning behind the so called 'Land of the Free' restricting what their citizens do with their money?
Because the Republican party knows what's best for all of us.
TedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 16, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 501 times:
Quoting VANGUARD737 (Reply 13): However, you cannot carry it on your person, you cannot transport it loaded. That violates the BARE section of "Keep and bare arms."
VANGUARD737 From United States, joined Aug 2001, 549 posts, RR: 4 Reply 17, posted (2 years 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 490 times:
Quoting TedTAce (Reply 16): no wonder you feel the need to compensate with a gun.
Hmmm by that logic the United States Congress in 1789 must have been REALLY insecure! Afterall, they found it needed to put their right to "compensation" in the constitution!
And last week I was called a homophobic conservative by Ted and this week I'm a liberal's liberal. I just can't win..
Quoting AirCop (Reply 14): Because the Republican party knows what's best for all of us.
Vanguard you're talking to someone that worked on the Relect-Nixon Campaign (before you were born), Ford in 76, RR in 80 & 84 and George the First in 1988. Since that time I see nothing from the Republican party that the following statement on social issues. By today's standard Barry Goldwater would be a liberal. If he was liberal then I damn proud to be a liberal.
Quoting Greasespot (Thread starter):
I like how the "get the gov't out of people lives" government have yet again found another way to intrude...
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Please guys, whats happened over in the Amish shooting thread is a disgrace. Don't replicate it here.
And last week I was called a homophobic conservative by Ted and this week I'm a liberal's liberal. I just can't win..