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No More Online Gambling..........If Your American  
User currently offlineGreasespot From Canada, joined Apr 2004, 3078 posts, RR: 20
Posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2255 times:

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I like how the "get the gov't out of people lives" government have yet again found another way to intrude...

GS


Sometimes all you can do is look them in the eye and ask " how much did your mom drink when she was pregnant with you?"
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User currently offlineNewark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 30
Reply 1, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2254 times:

I wonder how long this will last, though. There is such a large market, you have to believe it's only a matter of time before it is legalized and taxed.

Harry



Why grab a Heine when you can grab a Busch?
User currently offlineNeilYYZ From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2244 times:

If you were to go to Sports Interaction and fund your account with Neteller, which I'm sure is still legal, as you can pay for a lot of stuff on eBay with Neteller, you can then add the money to your Sports Interaction account and gamble from there. To withdraw it, remove it from Neteller, right back into the old bank account.

I'd be suprised if they were able to stop this type of activity, unless they got Sports Interaction to agree not to allow US Neteller accounts to deposit money.


User currently offlineGman94 From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 1239 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2222 times:

What exactly is the reasoning behind the so called 'Land of the Free' restricting what their citizens do with their money?

The company I work has never taken bets from US customers so we are pretty unaffected by this but I know some of our exeuctives have spoken about the possibility of been arrested on their trips to the US.



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User currently offlineSearpqx From Netherlands, joined Jun 2000, 4343 posts, RR: 10
Reply 4, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2219 times:

Its the standard (or more accurately, double standard) Puritanical Morality that we display in our public lives at work again. Remember gambling is a sin! (Except in Nevada, New Jersey and on Indian Reservations, or in those states that have chosen to fund basic services through a lottery. Horse and Dog racing excepted. Offer void where common sense and tax revenue apply)


"The two most common elements in the universe are Hydrogen and stupidity"
User currently offlineVanguard737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 682 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2195 times:
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Quoting Gman94 (Reply 3):
What exactly is the reasoning behind the so called 'Land of the Free' restricting what their citizens do with their money?

And what is the reasoning behind your government telling you you do not have the right to purchase a gun with YOUR money and defend YOURSELF should someone break into YOUR home??

THAT logic seems much more dangerous to me than restricting how poeple can throw themselves into debt...at the states burdon.

I am so sick of people from other countries telling us ignorant Americans what big jerks we are and how stupid our laws are. If you don't like it, tough! That's why this is OUR country and not YOURS!



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User currently offlineBAxMAN From St. Helena, joined May 2004, 671 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 2180 times:

Quoting Vanguard737 (Reply 5):
And what is the reasoning behind your government telling you you do not have the right to purchase a gun with YOUR money and defend YOURSELF should someone break into YOUR home??

THAT logic seems much more dangerous to me than restricting how poeple can throw themselves into debt...at the states burdon.

I am so sick of people from other countries telling us ignorant Americans what big jerks we are and how stupid our laws are. If you don't like it, tough! That's why this is OUR country and not YOURS!

If you think that gambling is more socially damaging than the widespread use of firearms them, err, well, I s'pose it's your country, as you said......

Does seem a bit odd though that hardcore porn of the most peculiar variety is free to see, yet you can't have a game of poker, so I doubt that Congress is really that concerned for the moral wellbeing of The Waltons.

Ulterior motives in force here I suspect. I doubt that the lawmakers would stand in the way of a suitably powerful American company going into the world of online gambling. A loophole can be created when it such a need arises.



I need to get laid
User currently offlineBaylorAirBear From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 2913 posts, RR: 50
Reply 7, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 2164 times:

Quoting Greasespot (Thread starter):
If Your American

If my American what?

BAB  Wink



I'm just skipping stones...
User currently offlineVanguard737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 682 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 2164 times:
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Quoting BAxMAN (Reply 6):
If you think that gambling is more socially damaging than the widespread use of firearms them, err, well, I s'pose it's your country, as you said......

The Chief of Illinois State Police said it best in an open letter to Illinos police departments advocating the right to bear arms when he said - The only persons disarmed by gun control are the upstanding citizens. For only upstanding citizens will respect the laws placed upon them. The criminal will always obtain weapons, because they do so illegally, without regard for the law - the law that only the good citizen respects.

It is the truth. Illinois, the only state that still ignores the 2nd ammendment to the constitution, statistically has one of the HIGHEST gun violence rates in the country, despite the fact that the right to bear arms has been effectively eliminated in most respects.



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User currently offlineBushpilot From South Africa, joined Jul 2007, 0 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 2146 times:

Quoting Vanguard737 (Reply 8):

As much as I am a proud gun owner, this thread isnt the place to discuss the merits of an armed society, start that topic and youll get the debate your looking for.

That being said, I can think of about 10 things that should have been higher on the agenda than online gambling. Certainly it can be harmful in certain settings. I am not much of a gambler, especially with money. But there is a certain amount of personal responsibility that comes with gambling. I have a few problems with the law:
Firstly, it was slipped in under a port security bill. This sort of thing happens all the time in DC and it is time for it stop! Only issues that are pertinent to the bill need to be addressed in it.
I am also tired of this black market legislation, it has proven time and time again that it is never effective, and the money spent on enforcement often goes wasted.
It is time for the legislature to figure out what it is that needs to be done to serve Americans.


User currently offlineTedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 2146 times:

Quoting Greasespot (Thread starter):
I like how the "get the gov't out of people lives" government have yet again found another way to intrude...

You know this always bothered me. While I wave the centrist flag, I also have an easy time SLAMMING Republicans on social issues. It's hypocrisy unabashed. It's embarrassing. OH yeah, let "people" choose (big business) to do whatever they want with money, but you little guy, no no.. you will not have an abortion, you will not gamble, not will not marry your same sex partner though you are CLEARLY not infringing on ANYONE'S right by doing so, you will not surf porn sites that are otherwise 100% legal, You will NOT make phone calls without us listening 'because we feel like it'. While Democrats are shitty pork pumping money managers, Republicans are just lying hypocritical assholes, and as of late have had pork that makes most Dem's embarrassed.

We as a country should be ashamed of the ride we have let these two parties get away with over the past 20 years. If I didn't believe we could do better, I WOULD leave. The day I give up hope that Americans will turn their back on these parties is the day I pack my bags.

Quoting Vanguard737 (Reply 5):
That's why this is OUR country and not YOURS!

A little defensive are we? Why can't you plainly say you disagree with his position and yet respect his right to free speech (Johan and the mods permitting)?

Quoting Vanguard737 (Reply 8):
Illinos

???

Quoting Vanguard737 (Reply 8):
It is the truth. Illinois, the only state that still ignores the 2nd ammendment to the constitution, statistically has one of the HIGHEST gun violence rates in the country, despite the fact that the right to bear arms has been effectively eliminated in most respects.

WTF are you talking about?? I know I could have brought a gun on SEVERAL occasions in Illinois.


User currently offlineSearpqx From Netherlands, joined Jun 2000, 4343 posts, RR: 10
Reply 11, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 2122 times:

Quoting Bushpilot (Reply 9):
As much as I am a proud gun owner, this thread isnt the place to discuss the merits of an armed society, start that topic and youll get the debate your looking for.

 checkmark  Please guys, whats happened over in the Amish shooting thread is a disgrace. Don't replicate it here.



"The two most common elements in the universe are Hydrogen and stupidity"
User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 2115 times:

Steering the debate back on topic (You want to discussion gun control, go start a thread on it.).

Quoting Gman94 (Reply 3):
What exactly is the reasoning behind the so called 'Land of the Free' restricting what their citizens do with their money?

I can name the reasons:

Harrah's Entertainment
MGM-Mirage
Ameristar
Penn National

That's just to name a few. The corporate owners of gambling establishments are threatened by the rise of these off-shore on-line gambling sites. So using their political lobbyists, they've gotten the gov't to put the smackdown on gambling on-line. Plus the states don't get any taxes on these winnings, so they're losing out on their cut as well.

Clamping down on on-line casinos and poker rooms is just going to take things back underground to the local bookie and to folks that run underground casinos and poker rooms. I'm sure the local bookie could care less about some online sports book getting clamped.

There will be ways around this ban (Just like with any other gov't enacted ban), as some US-based on-line casino users already had bank accounts off-shore from which they wagered.

I did briefly a few months back try one of the on-line casinos, and once I lost the money I deposited, I quit. I can see how folks can get addicted to on-line gambling. I was playing at times like I would with a casino program like Hoyle Casino, not caring that I had really lost $25 on a hand. In a regular casino situation, I don't get that way as having those chips in your hand makes you a little more aware of what your are doing. Some folks can't make the realization that this is real money you're playing with on-line, that it's not some computer game where when you run out of chips you can get more with no reprecussions.


User currently offlineVANGUARD737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 682 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 2115 times:
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Quoting TedTAce (Reply 10):
Quoting Vanguard737 (Reply 8):
Illinos

???

I highly doubt you did not know what I was going for there. But if your intelligence is indeed that low, I apologize. What seems more likely to me however is that you are one of those people who never has facts to make a point so instead looks for typos and then calls people stupid  Wink

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 10):
WTF are you talking about?? I know I could have brought a gun on SEVERAL occasions in Illinois.

I never said you cannot buy/own a gun in Illinois. However, you cannot carry it on your person, you cannot transport it loaded. That violates the BARE section of "Keep and bare arms."

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 10):

A little defensive are we? Why can't you plainly say you disagree with his position and yet respect his right to free speech (Johan and the mods permitting)?

I can respond how I wish. I did not insult him or threaten harm, so what matter is it to you the wording I choose?



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User currently offlineAirCop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 2113 times:

And I suppose there is a loophole big enough to drive a Mack truck through will allow the horse racing and dog racing organizations continue to accept bets via the computer. Didn't the US lose a case in the World Court regarding on-line betting. I thought that Antigua brought action against the US.

Quoting Gman94 (Reply 3):
What exactly is the reasoning behind the so called 'Land of the Free' restricting what their citizens do with their money?

Because the Republican party knows what's best for all of us.


User currently offlineVANGUARD737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 682 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 2108 times:
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Quoting AirCop (Reply 14):
Because the Republican party knows what's best for all of us.

...You are the liberal's liberal  no 



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User currently offlineTedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 2099 times:

Quoting VANGUARD737 (Reply 13):
However, you cannot carry it on your person, you cannot transport it loaded. That violates the BARE section of "Keep and bare arms."

 redflag 

Quoting VANGUARD737 (Reply 13):
then calls people stupid

I did nothing of the kind. I think you have a little problem with security, no wonder you feel the need to compensate with a gun.


User currently offlineVANGUARD737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 682 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 2088 times:
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Quoting TedTAce (Reply 16):
no wonder you feel the need to compensate with a gun.


Hmmm by that logic the United States Congress in 1789 must have been REALLY insecure! Afterall, they found it needed to put their right to "compensation" in the constitution!

 sarcastic 



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User currently offlineAirCop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 2083 times:

Quoting VANGUARD737 (Reply 15):
...You are the liberal's liberal no

 confused  And last week I was called a homophobic conservative by Ted and this week I'm a liberal's liberal. I just can't win..

Quoting AirCop (Reply 14):
Because the Republican party knows what's best for all of us.

Vanguard you're talking to someone that worked on the Relect-Nixon Campaign (before you were born), Ford in 76, RR in 80 & 84 and George the First in 1988. Since that time I see nothing from the Republican party that the following statement on social issues. By today's standard Barry Goldwater would be a liberal. If he was liberal then I damn proud to be a liberal.

Quoting Greasespot (Thread starter):

I like how the "get the gov't out of people lives" government have yet again found another way to intrude...


User currently offlineGreasespot From Canada, joined Apr 2004, 3078 posts, RR: 20
Reply 19, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 2081 times:

Quoting Vanguard737 (Reply 5):
And what is the reasoning behind your government telling you you do not have the right to purchase a gun with YOUR money and defend YOURSELF should someone break into YOUR home??

Ummm Duh We are Canadians...We like the gov't in our life.....Plus the fact that I am

Quoting Vanguard737 (Reply 5):
I am so sick of people from other countries telling us ignorant Americans what big jerks we are and how stupid our laws are. If you don't like it, tough! That's why this is OUR country and not YOURS!

Touched a nerve huh.

Oh yeah i never called you ignorant, jerks, or the stupid laws. Just pointed out the hypocrisy when you have Vegas, Atlantic City, Casinos on every singel Indian reservation...etc.

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 10):
A little defensive are we? Why can't you plainly say you disagree with his position and yet respect his right to free speech (Johan and the mods permitting)?

Ahem...Him?  wink 

GS



Sometimes all you can do is look them in the eye and ask " how much did your mom drink when she was pregnant with you?"
User currently offlineSearpqx From Netherlands, joined Jun 2000, 4343 posts, RR: 10
Reply 20, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 2072 times:

Quoting AirCop (Reply 18):
And last week I was called a homophobic conservative by Ted and this week I'm a liberal's liberal. I just can't win..

No, that's usually a sign that you're getting it right, err, correct!



"The two most common elements in the universe are Hydrogen and stupidity"
User currently offlineFlyingTexan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2028 times:

Quoting Srbmod (Reply 12):
I can name the reasons:

Harrah's Entertainment
MGM-Mirage
Ameristar
Penn National

Ahh, thank you! Personified as Terry Lanni, Kirk Kerkorian, Gary Loveman, Steve Wynn, and the biggest ******* of them all - Sheldon Adelson.

Online gaming will prevail - legal or not - there is too much $$$ at stake.


User currently offlineKiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8537 posts, RR: 13
Reply 22, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2022 times:
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Quoting Bushpilot (Reply 9):
I am not much of a gambler, especially with money.

I am curious what else you gamble with ? Other than your life every day when you get into a car and drive to work , I suppose  Wink



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User currently offlineSTLGph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9293 posts, RR: 25
Reply 23, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 2011 times:

Quoting BaylorAirBear (Reply 7):
If my American what?

thank you!

Quoting Vanguard737 (Reply 8):
Illinois, the only state that still ignores the 2nd ammendment to the constitution,

whatever are you talking about

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 10):
I know I could have brought a gun on SEVERAL occasions in Illinois.

exactly. my family has all kinds of guns.



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User currently offlineNeilYYZ From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 2004 times:

Quoting Greasespot (Reply 19):
We like the gov't in our life.....

Oy! I know I sure don't! They can stay the hell away from me with all of their taxes and crap.


25 Baroque : This has not worked for drugs - yet. Oh, I forgot, alcohol and cigarettes, so yes, maybe that will work!
26 TedTAce : Humm considering it was during the American Revolution and there were 1000's upon 1000's of Brittish troops invading on a daily basis trying to infri
27 Post contains links MDorBust : Seriously, the firearm discussion.. elsewhere. Now, back on topic. Being one of those onery, cranky Texas, who just happens to not be christian, yet s
28 Vc10 : To get back on the subject , could this anti internet gambling law come about because of pressure from the ground based gambling companies, based in t
29 LTBEWR : As to 'porn', it is protected by the free speech clauses of the US Constitution, except where it involves persons under 18 years old. Comparisons to o
30 Post contains images Jush : nothing to add to this BS Regds jush
31 Post contains links N231YE : http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15102480/ ...Then those online ad agencies should get their 'friggin' casino/gambling pop-ups and banner ads off of our w
32 FlyingTexan : Actually, Texas law forbids beer cash and carry purchases between the hours of 1:00 am and 12:00 pm on Sundays with a few exceptions. Package Liquor
33 Searpqx : Almost certainly, see some of the previous posts. But the point is, 'WE' are not. I've seen no evidence that there is a huge public outcry against on
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