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F1: Japanese Grand Prix  
User currently offlineBill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8439 posts, RR: 8
Posted (7 years 10 months 6 hours ago) and read 3820 times:

So we head into the Japanese GP one week after China with Fernando and MS on equal points. Essentially one needs to finish ahead of the other to gain a points advantage. The championship will go down to being decided in Brazil unless MS wins with Alonso failing to finish inside the points.

So what are everyones predictions for the race. Naturally one would expect Ferrari and Renault to be strong and McLaren have been quick here in recent years with Kimi's dominant performance here not to be forgotten. Personally I think McLaren will get it togeather and hold out Ferrari and Renault for the win.

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User currently offlineLegoguy From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 3312 posts, RR: 40
Reply 1, posted (7 years 10 months 6 hours ago) and read 3815 times:

Quoting Bill142 (Thread starter):
So what are everyones predictions for the race. Naturally one would expect Ferrari and Renault to be strong and McLaren have been quick here in recent years with Kimi's dominant performance here not to be forgotten. Personally I think McLaren will get it togeather and hold out Ferrari and Renault for the win.

Ahem.... you forgot to mention Honda (BAR sounds better)!

Go Alonso! Although Schumacher will win has he has a faster team mate backing him up.



Can you say 'Beer Can' without sounding like a Jamaican saying 'Bacon'?
User currently offlineAirbusA346 From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2004, 7437 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (7 years 10 months 6 hours ago) and read 3814 times:

Go Schumi!!!!!!!!!! Big grin

Tom.



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User currently offlineTSV From Australia, joined Nov 1999, 1641 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (7 years 10 months 5 hours ago) and read 3812 times:

Quoting Bill142 (Thread starter):
So what are everyones predictions for the race.

The King of Fifth (Webber) scores a surprise Sixth place.



"I told you I was ill ..." Spike Milligan
User currently offlineEmrecan From Turkey, joined Feb 2000, 938 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (7 years 10 months 4 hours ago) and read 3801 times:

I am sure Kimi will take the pole and during the race he will f.ck his car again unfortunately.

As you know I vote for Schumi and Ferrari. Let's hope all the 22 cars will able to finish the race.


User currently offlineBA757 From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 2832 posts, RR: 14
Reply 5, posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3773 times:

As I said in the Chinese GP thread, I wouldn't be at all surprised to see a Mclaren / Raikkonen win. Fingers x'ed.

Quoting Emrecan (Reply 4):
As you know I vote for Schumi and Ferrari.

I'd be disappointed if you didn't!

As a side, I am just watching Goodwood Festival of Speed on TV, it was nice to see Hakkinen driving last years Mclaren, it was nice to see him in a F1 car again.

Adam


User currently offlineDuff44 From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 1723 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3770 times:

- Honda or Toyota (or both) will run light in qualifying trying to get on the front row
- Kimi will be fast again... and break
- The host broadcaster will focus way too much on Toyota, Honda, and even scarier, Super Aguri.
- Fuji in 2007 will suck compared to Suzuka (DAMN YOU HERMANN TILKE!!!!)



I'll rassle ya for a bowl of bacon!
User currently offlineBill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8439 posts, RR: 8
Reply 7, posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3765 times:

Quoting TSV (Reply 3):
The King of Fifth (Webber) scores a surprise Sixth place

I think they will be over the moon with 8th at the moment.

Quoting Duff44 (Reply 6):
- The host broadcaster will focus way too much on Toyota, Honda, and even scarier, Super Aguri

This is probably true. And yet again coverage is being delayed to 11pm here in Aus.


In other earth shattering news, Honda has confirmed Barichello and Button for 2007.


User currently offlineKaddyuk From Wallis and Futuna, joined Nov 2001, 4126 posts, RR: 26
Reply 8, posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3761 times:

Quoting Bill142 (Reply 7):
In other earth shattering news, Honda has confirmed Barichello and Button for 2007.

No Surprises there then... But they are rumored to be loosing Anthony Davidson to Super Aguri...

Schumacher has NOTHING to loose by crashing out in Japan and taking Alonso with him...if they both DNF, then Schumacher goes into brazil for a final round shoot off and only needs to finish above alonso to win. I would bet money on that thought running through Schumi's mind MORE than once...

I'll be cheering for Button and hoping for Alonso...



Whoever said "laughter is the best medicine" never had Gonorrhea
User currently offlineBAxMAN From St. Helena, joined May 2004, 671 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3751 times:

Quoting Kaddyuk (Reply 8):
No Surprises there then... But they are rumored to be loosing Anthony Davidson to Super Aguri...

Oh dear Lord! Please, no!

Is he that desperate for a drive?? He surely isn't handcuffed with some Honda contract?

Davidson is wasting his talent as a test driver. What hope is there when guys like Alex Wurz get the spare 2007 Williams seat, Renault persevere with Fisi and Toyota continue to give Trulli and Schumi Jr trillions of dollars to drive like pensioners. Davidson should follow Justin Wilson to that Champ Car thingy. He would be a sure fire success.



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User currently offlineBill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8439 posts, RR: 8
Reply 10, posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3744 times:

Quoting BAxMAN (Reply 9):
Is he that desperate for a drive?? He surely isn't handcuffed with some Honda contract

Honda have strong links to Super Aguri.


User currently offlineKaddyuk From Wallis and Futuna, joined Nov 2001, 4126 posts, RR: 26
Reply 11, posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3731 times:

Quoting BAxMAN (Reply 9):
Is he that desperate for a drive?? He surely isn't handcuffed with some Honda contract?

Super Aguri are the Honda B team (Thats unofficial but the links can be proven...)



Whoever said "laughter is the best medicine" never had Gonorrhea
User currently offlineDavestanKSAN From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 1678 posts, RR: 13
Reply 12, posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 3726 times:

The Super Friends team shocks everyone and will be on the front row. Michael and Fernando decide all this bickering is doing them no good so they use that tandem ride Kimi used to drive his wife around in the snow and finish the race together. The stewards rule that Alonso blocked Schumi by sitting in the front seat and dock him 5 grid positions.

 praise  yes I am psychic

 biggrin 

I can't believe the season is coming to an end. What to do??? Watch youtube videos all winter/summer (depending on your side of the equator) I guess.

Anyway it will be a fun one to watch. Alonso and Shumi both look hungry for the championship. Here's to a safe and enjoyable race!

Dave



Yesterday we've sinned, today we move towards God. Touch the sky....love and respect...Safe Star!
User currently offlineLegoguy From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 3312 posts, RR: 40
Reply 13, posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 3712 times:

Quoting Kaddyuk (Reply 11):
Super Aguri are the Honda B team (Thats unofficial but the links can be proven...)

Hopefully if Super Aguri can pull their acts together then DAvidson might actually have a chance to prove himself next year. I would not say that Super Aguri will be challenging for wins next year, but they could perhaps throw their weight around in the middle of the field. Do not forget that their will be a new team next year (is that just me or will their be a new team next season... or is that for 2008?)

Davidson is a great driver and I look forward to seeing him racing next season hopefully.

Quoting DavestanKSAN (Reply 12):
I can't believe the season is coming to an end. What to do???

Yea I know, 6 months without formula one! I will have to resort back to playing it on the play station on hard mode with heavy rain settings.



Can you say 'Beer Can' without sounding like a Jamaican saying 'Bacon'?
User currently offlineBill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8439 posts, RR: 8
Reply 14, posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3702 times:

Quoting DavestanKSAN (Reply 12):
The Super Friends team shocks everyone and will be on the front row. Michael and Fernando decide all this bickering is doing them no good so they use that tandem ride Kimi used to drive his wife around in the snow and finish the race together. The stewards rule that Alonso blocked Schumi by sitting in the front seat and dock him 5 grid positions

Actually it was Mika who did that.

Quoting Legoguy (Reply 13):
Yea I know, 6 months without formula one! I will have to resort back to playing it on the play station on hard mode with heavy rain settings

Just as well the cricket season is starting.


User currently offlineNosedive From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3699 times:

Todt tells Renault to watch it

Quote:
Todt brought into question the tactics employed by Renault's drivers Fernando Alonso and Giancarlo Fisichella during the Chinese Grand Prix, after the pair traded places and ran two abreast down the back straight for four laps while the world champion struggled with a tyre imbalance.
The Renault drivers's manoeuvres , in the middle phase of the grand prix when race leader Fernando Alonso was severely struggling for grip, gave Michael Schumacher no opportunity to pass the struggling Spaniard, while Fisichella appeared to have the pace to overtake his team-mate at the first attempt.
Although Todt didn’t go as far to say his team would operate such tactics with its two drivers if the opportunity arose, he says the Italian squad is now clear that such defensive driving is allowed.
“It has been a good learning for us,” he said.
“We have learned what you can do.

Sounds like some wheel bangin' is in order!

IMO, Schumie has it in the bag; Alonso is being too hot headed, and relations within the team appear strained...


User currently offlineNeilYYZ From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3698 times:

I want Alonso to take the championship. I respect the talent of MS, but I stopped watching F1 years ago because of just that, he was so damn good, it just wasn't interesting. So, being the ass that I am, I hope he loses the championship in his final year.

User currently offlineLegoguy From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 3312 posts, RR: 40
Reply 17, posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3698 times:

Quoting Nosedive (Reply 15):
Todt brought into question the tactics employed by Renault's drivers Fernando Alonso and Giancarlo Fisichella during the Chinese Grand Prix, after the pair traded places and ran two abreast down the back straight for four laps while the world champion struggled with a tyre imbalance.

I find that comment from the Ferrari man a little strange. Especially when Ferrari have pulled such stunts like this before on many occasions. What did he expect them to do?

Quoting Bill142 (Reply 14):
Just as well the cricket season is starting.

I don't watch cricket  Silly I never really understood it.



Can you say 'Beer Can' without sounding like a Jamaican saying 'Bacon'?
User currently offlineBill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8439 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3690 times:

Quoting Legoguy (Reply 17):
I find that comment from the Ferrari man a little strange. Especially when Ferrari have pulled such stunts like this before on many occasions. What did he expect them to do?

Yeah it is really ironic coming from Todt. Expect dirtier tactics to come from both teams in the later races.

Quoting Nosedive (Reply 15):
and relations within the team appear strained...

They are.. Your star driver is fighting for the championship, yet you know it won't be your car wearing no 1 regardless of what happens. What do you do??


User currently offlineBA757 From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 2832 posts, RR: 14
Reply 19, posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 3647 times:

I am surprised nobody mentioned this.

I don't know honestly what to make of this!  Yeah sure

Alonso questions Renault loyalty

Quote:

Fernando Alonso has waded into controversy by suggesting that some members of his Renault team do not want him to win his title showdown with Michael Schumacher -- because they can't bear to see him take the coveted number '1' to arch-rivals McLaren next year.

Alonso made the extraordinary claim on Spanish television after losing the championship lead for the first time this season in the Chinese Grand Prix, a race that looked his for the taking until a tactical error and a fumbled wheel change handed Schumacher victory.

"The whole team is gutted, apart from the handful of people who don't want me to take the number 1 to McLaren," the Spanish media quoted Alonso as saying.

He added that there was "no doubt" that Renault regarded winning a second consecutive constructors' championship as more important than his own title defence, suggesting that only some team members were disappointed by the outcome of Sunday's race.

"Some others are happy because we went past Ferrari in the team battle," he said.

"They are not helping me as much as they could."

Renault moved quickly to defuse the situation, dismissing suggestions that civil war was breaking out in the team's ranks amid the pressure cooker of the title race and Alonso's impending defection to McLaren.

"This is not an issue," a team spokesman told the Guardian newspaper.

"We are 150% behind Fernando in his battle for the championship and there is no question of our commitment flagging.

"The points situation is so tight that to win the constructors' championship you've got to be sure of winning the drivers' championship and vice-versa.

"We have worked flat-out since Monza on engine development to ensure that we keep our competitive edge through to the last race of the season in Brazil.

"In addition, Giancarlo [Fisichella] drove purely for the team at Shanghai on Sunday, finishing third behind Fernando.

"There is no problem at all with the relations between him and the team."

Nonetheless, Alonso's outburst is a measure of the tension he feels as the championship heads to a nail-biting climax, as well as his simmering frustration over recent rulings that have worked against him and prompted much of the Spanish media to accuse the FIA of sabotaging his title bid.

It is likely to be viewed by Ferrari as a sign that Schumacher now has the upper hand in the crucial psychological battle between F1's two great rivals.


http://www.itv-f1.com/News_Article.aspx?PO_ID=37585

Adam


User currently offlineBill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8439 posts, RR: 8
Reply 20, posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 3645 times:

You have to wonder sometimes. Is this all pshycological banter to distabilise the other?

User currently offlineBA757 From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 2832 posts, RR: 14
Reply 21, posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 3644 times:

Quoting Bill142 (Reply 20):
Is this all pshycological banter to distabilise the other?

I'm sure a lot of it is.

Adam


User currently offlineLegoguy From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 3312 posts, RR: 40
Reply 22, posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 3641 times:

Quoting BA757 (Reply 19):
I don't know honestly what to make of this!

Me niether!  Confused I have fully supported Alonso this year however some of the claims he is now making are a little crazy. I can understand why is feeling the pressure, as it is mostly the work of the FIA, however blaming the team is going alittle too far perhaps.



Can you say 'Beer Can' without sounding like a Jamaican saying 'Bacon'?
User currently offlineKaddyuk From Wallis and Futuna, joined Nov 2001, 4126 posts, RR: 26
Reply 23, posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 3639 times:

Quoting Legoguy (Reply 22):
however blaming the team is going alittle too far perhaps.

Maybe, and accussing the team will only turn those people who are his allies against him, but can you not understand what Alonso is saying... It dont half make sense...

The mistakes made in Shanghai were NOT Renault mistakes... Not when the title race is THIS close...



Whoever said "laughter is the best medicine" never had Gonorrhea
User currently offlineBill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8439 posts, RR: 8
Reply 24, posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 3637 times:

Perhaps Renault are telling him to make these comments to lul Ferrari into a false sense of security that everythings not peachy and they can't work as a team. Then Renault come out and wipe Ferrari clean in a show of team unity.

You have to remember this sport is as much mind games as it is political, technical and business.


25 Post contains images DavestanKSAN : Oh crap, I fail. I knew it was a Finn that drove for McLaren. Picked the wrong one. I'd think its best not to make your team hate you. Come on Alonso
26 Bill142 : Ron Dennis has a soft spot for Finnish Drivers. Is it because the always Finnish first or fail to Finnish? Anyway unless Ron finds some new young Fin
27 Post contains links and images Bill142 : http://f1.racing-live.com/f1/en/head...nes/news/detail/061004104643.shtml
28 BA757 : Well if Kovi is a successful driver, perhaps he will be stolen from Renault also... then there is Rosberg, he is as good as Finnish as well as German
29 Post contains images BA757 : Fantastic! Adam
30 Bill142 : Hopefully they do. I think he would be great support for Alonso while they train up Hamilton.
31 Post contains images Sudden : And they did win, so why the comments at all. But of course, Why should Todt admit that their drivers have done some pretty heavy stunts themselves o
32 Post contains images Legoguy : I have been thinking... If Alonso is moving to McLaren next year, McLaren will want Alonso to win the championship this year so they would have the n
33 Sudden : In order to help Alonso, De Larosa would have to qualify in front of Schumi, Fisi and Kimi, and I do not see that happening, yet. He is good, but not
34 HKGKaiTak : - Alonso and Schumacher on the front row. - 2nd and 3rd rows to be filled by Toyota and Honda. - Alonso to outrace Schumi to take the championship le
35 Bill142 : It really sucks. Hopefully I gets better next year now that they have lost the V8 supercar rights. Formula 1 happens to be on the anti-siphoning list
36 HKGKaiTak : I thought anti-siphoning laws run out at the end of 2006? Anyway, remember when Channel 9 did the same thing a couple of years ago when Hakkinen and
37 Aaron747 : All I know is I can't wait till this thing is over. All these idiots from the states are making huge asses of themselves on just about every rush hour
38 Bill142 : The current list runs untill 2010. I think if the new Media ownership laws get passes it will be come void and will be repalced by a new system. EDIT
39 HKGKaiTak : And do you think they would today? Alonso must've caned his engine last week chasing Schumi down ... sometimes you have to wonder why they even bothe
40 Bill142 : No which is why they need to be allowed a practice engine or do away with friday all togeather. The third cars is gone next year so there will be alm
41 HKGKaiTak : I think was a backward step when they took away Friday qualifying, let alone have this ridiculous situation when we have little or no Friday action a
42 Senliture : We should have a choice. Fox broadcast it live and whatever channel broadcast it delayed but free. I seriously don't mind paying some small amount of
43 Post contains links Legoguy : Renault deals the first blow to the Ferrari by topping the time sheet of the second practise session, although it was surprising Fisichella at the top
44 Bill142 : Yeah but the trade off would be a complete ban on mid-season testing. Guess which team poo pooed that idea.
45 Kaddyuk : Its one company who film the Grand Prix... ITV in the UK have been saying it for years, we need people who KNOW about F1 to film F1. It was in Monza
46 Post contains links BA757 : Quoting Kaddyuk (Reply 45): Its one company who film the Grand Prix... ITV in the UK have been saying it for years, we need people who KNOW about F1 t
47 Kaddyuk : I nominate ME! I also belive that more TV Action should be forced onto the back markers in the middle of the race. No only are they the most action p
48 Post contains images Aerobalance : And I thought they were all in Talladega this weekend.
49 Post contains images BA757 : With that attitude Kaddy perhaps you should replace Mosley at the FIA! Adam
50 Legoguy : Damn ITV. They are not showing the qualifying live! And they are not showing it until 3ish here in the UK... and I'm going to a swimming gala so I mis
51 BA757 : You won't be missing much... I still think qualifying is dull. Nope. ITV have exclusive rights to TV. You will probably be able to get it on Five Liv
52 Post contains images Legoguy : I think qualifying is the most exciting part of the grandprix weekend!!! I love the new format system. Its the only time I get to cheer on Alonso, Bu
53 Post contains images BA757 : You have a point, though I don't really agree! No idea. I've never watched Irish TV. I would take my laptop to bed with me and listen to it on that i
54 Post contains images Legoguy : LOL I think it should stay that way. You are not missing any (with the exception of Father Ted!) I will try it tomorrow but something tell's me when
55 Post contains images BA757 : Oh I think I am! The female Irish accent...awww Thats most probably what I'll do Sunday morning! I'll try! Adam
56 Post contains links Duff44 : Of interest (maybe?): Montoya finishes 3rd in his stock car debut: http://www.motorsport.com/news/article.asp?ID=235227
57 Bill142 : Listening to Five live isn't bad. You just need to use your imagination slightly and having the live timing coming up also helps. Still trying to find
58 Kaddyuk : It seems i was right... Alonso's engine is on its "Last Legs" so to say and he is perhaps on a damage limitation exercise in preperation for a Brazil
59 Bill142 : It's true that Alonsos engine did get a bit more of a work out in China then perhaps it should have. MS could have been running in a very light trim
60 Bill142 : Qualif over Here is the full grid Massa MS RS Trulli Alonso Fisi Button Barichello Heidfeld Rosberg Raikkonen Kubica De La Rosa Webber Liuzzi Albers C
61 Post contains images Emrecan : A great birthday gift for me from Ferrari today. Great qualification from Massa and Schumacher... Balonso will cry again
62 Post contains images Legoguy : In the end I didn't even get up for qualifying. Instead I had a dream. In it, Alonso, Renault front row, Honda second row, Ferrari third row, and Toy
63 Post contains images HKGKaiTak : Interesting grid ... anybody wanna bet on; - how much fuel the Toyotas have? - whether Alonso can outdrag both Toyotas and go round the outside of tur
64 Kaddyuk : None... I bet they're running on fumes!! Possible, and likely... but with the low fuel on the toyotas, i'm guessing that Alonso has more fuel than al
65 AirbusA346 : Why the moving the Japanese GP to Fuji? Tom.
66 Bill142 : Suzukas contract was expiring, Fuji put in a bid an Bernie felt it was a better deal. Fuji has hosted F1 races before. Massa will only step out of th
67 Duff44 : Because F1 wouldn't know a good thing if it was growing on their ass... Basically it's to appease Toyota, who own the place.... it's also keeps the t
68 Sudden : I sure think this will be an interesting race, as Q3 often tells how heavy the car is (fuel). Ferrari wanted to qualify for first row to be able to d
69 Kaddyuk : Currently watching the Qualification Replay... It seems that I Overlooked the fact that Jarno Trulli is in 4th Place. He's a Grand Prix winning driver
70 Post contains images AirbusA346 : Tom.
71 Post contains images Legoguy : Not in a million years. Their pace just can not last one whole race. Wohoo, early start in the morning at 5am for us folks livin in the UK!
72 Bill142 : Only if he gets a good start and can hold them off untill the first set of stops. If it happens, Massa will let MS pass.
73 Andz : Well Michael is in the lead already and not even three laps gone. Hum.
74 BA757 : Well Alonso is keeping him honest... GO ALONSO
75 BA757 : The backend of a Spyker has just failed dramatically...wow! Adam
76 Bill142 : the idiots at formula1.com proclaimed alonso took the lead when MS pitted. For some reason five live can't broadcast this race over the internet.. grr
77 Bill142 : Alonso looks to be moving. Taken .8 of MS in the past two laps.
78 BA757 : They can only broadcast certain races to non UK internet users because of rights. It was very annoying as it affected me when I was in Italy and fedu
79 Andz : Interesting statistic about the number of wins MS has, if he wins today he will equal Prost and Senna combined!
80 Bill142 : China got broadcast no problems. So I'm not sure. Unfortunatley he has hit traffic.
81 Andz : SCHUMI HAS BLOWN UP!!!!
82 Bill142 : SHUMACHER OUT!!!! Engine has gone!!!!!!
83 BA757 : SCHUMACHER IS OUT HELL YES!
84 Bill142 : Alonso is pulling away from Massa. Raikkonen in third 7.2 behind Massa. Raikkonen could be on for 2nd.
85 Bill142 : Kimi Pits! Fisi upto third. Rejoins in Fifth.
86 Bill142 : ALONSO WINS!! Massa 2nd Fisico 3rd.
87 BA757 : Great win. Fantastic stuff![Edited 2006-10-08 08:30:40]
88 Post contains images Lufthansa747 : Wasn't worth waking up to see crybaby Alonso win.
89 Bill142 : Bathurst Update: Jason Richards got the Commodore airborne at the Chase brought out the saftey car. Restart Kelly is hustling Lownedes with 7 laps rem
90 TheSonntag : So eine Scheiße. Damn, but congratulations to Alonso, the only true opponent of Schumacher and the only one to be a worthy champion besides Schumi.
91 Post contains images Legoguy : :D At least Schumi took it well and thanked his team afterwards which was great to see. It was funny, I was watching Alonso driving around and 0.5s be
92 Post contains images HKGKaiTak : Well I just prised myself off the couch after Bathurst. What a great victory by Lowndes and Whincup at Bathurst today, a very weird, very NASCAR-esque
93 Post contains images AirbusA346 : Can't Schumi still win the championship if Alonso DNF and Schumi Won. Tom.
94 Alessandro : Yes, AirbusA, then he wins, so is Alonso on a new engine for the last race? If not should he change engine and take the 10 starting position penalty j
95 Post contains images Emrecan : Very sad day for me ... It is clear that Balonso is the champion of the year 2006, cangs. to him. Schumi is still the hero of us. I agree with Legogu
96 Bill142 : That is correct. Alonso needs to finnish in 8th or higher, but since Renault will are going for the constructors expect them to put Fisi in the risk
97 Post contains images Tifoso : I am totally gutted. Didn't except MS' engine to blow. However, they showed MS gretting each and every mechanic in the garage...Class Act! Very well d
98 AirbusA346 : No there not, if Schumi Wins and Alonso DNF's it in Brazil Schumi has won the Drivers championship on level points and more wins. *hopeing* Tom.
99 Tifoso : While true, I doubt this would happen. Alonso only needs 1 pointi and he should easily get that. If Alonso is only interested in the WDC, and not WCC
100 Legoguy : mmmmmmm We are all talking as if Schumacher has lost the chamionship. It is still possible as somehow Alonso could crash or damage his engine, althoug
101 Post contains images Scbriml : Can anyone tell me why ITV can't delay transmission when they go on commercial breaks? It drives me mad missing the action while watching some add fo
102 Post contains images AirbusA346 : How come then in football on ITV they dont have adverts during the game but in F1 it is fine to have adverts. Tom.
103 Waterpolodan : This is bitterly disappointing, but even though I would have loved to see Michael leave the sport as an 8 time champion, at least he goes out on top f
104 Kaddyuk : Haha! Its now 9 to 1 that Schumi will win the Championship... I think thats worth a little tipple...
105 Egmcman : I believe Toyota were influential in Fuji's bid. Honda own Suzuka I believe. Another great race in what has been a good racing season.
106 Post contains images Sabena332 : Usually I am not watching F1 and usually I am not a Schumi fan, but today I was. A friend and me went even so far to stay up all night till 9 o'clock
107 Post contains images Legoguy : I'm not a Schumacher fan, and want Alonso to win, however I was gutted when his engine blew. It is not the way a champion should end his last season.
108 Post contains images Sabena332 : It would have been and we wanted to do it actually, but somehow we didn't. At first we watched the football game, then the "Sport Studio", then we pl
109 Duff44 : Here's some interesting career parallels between Alonso and Schumacher: - Schumacher drove two full seasons for Benetton (which later became Renault)
110 Post contains images Tifoso : Kubica will be in the BMW for sure; the dude has been stellar since his debut, and has really caused Heidfeld to up his game. The driver combo for BM
111 Kaddyuk : Jenson Button... He is a consistant performer and picks up the points when needed! I know alot of people use many different words to describe Jenson,
112 Bill142 : Those are some interesting statistics. One thing Fernando is not taking with him to McLaren is the technical team that MS took with him when he went t
113 Photopilot : So here's what's going to happen in Brazil. Michael Schumacher will get pole. Masa will qualify beside Alonso. Masa will "take out" Alonso at the firs
114 Post contains images Duff44 : Sadly, I think he's going to be Raikkonen's wingman and not the other way around. True, but he needs to start picking up 10's & 8's instead of 5's &
115 Bill142 : he's gotten one 10 this season. It's a start isn't it?
116 Post contains images Bill142 : Is it just me or does Alonso look like that John Mark Karr guy in a few of the podium pics?
117 Sudden : When Raikkonen joins Ferrari, my view of it is that Massa will have to start with steroids cause he will be no. 2 again. Massa is loud and want to be
118 Bill142 : Renault can play same game with Fisi.
119 Sudden : At this stage Renault have everything to loose, and Ferrari everything to win on a move like this. As a side note folks, Who do you think will be the
120 Bill142 : Not really. What if Fisi goes on to win? It's not a sure thing that MS will win. The only thing that Massa will have on Raikkonen is that he knows ho
121 Post contains images Linco22 : Guys and gals, I'd like to hijack this thread. I lost interest in F1 long time ago due to its emphisis on 'technology' over racing. Now whilst I agree
122 Kaddyuk : It should be an emphisis on technology. The racing needs to adapt with the changing technology.
123 Post contains images Sudden : I think 123 replyes tells the story. Rubens "learned" to drive more agressively at Ferrari, hence left breaking etc. and that took him to adapt. This
124 Post contains images Linco22 : I guess it does
125 Cornish : I don't think this will be an issue. Raikkonen has signed as the No.1 driver in the team so won't have a problem getting team support. With no MS at
126 Post contains images Tifoso : There is no reason to doing anything as stupid as that. In fact, Ferrari will be praying that Massa and FA don't come together because even if it pur
127 Cornish : Also Ferrari stil have a chance in the constructors championship - it'll be tough, but 9 points could be done, especially if Alonso drives ultra caut
128 Cornish : Easy to say now, but at the time of signing it looked a really smart move. At the end of last season when he signed, McLaren had the quickest car in
129 Tifoso : I agree with you. When did Newey and Tombazis leave McLaren? After the FA deal was announced or before that? I remember FA mentioning to the press th
130 Cornish : Newey signed for Red Bull in November last year. Alonso was announced in December. The deal may already hsve been done earlier with Alonso of course
131 Sudden : This is not stated anywhere as Massa is actually Schumi's replacement, and Schumi was/is the no. 1 driver. Still, Massa is not the faster of the 2 an
132 Kaddyuk : Thats not Alonso's style, he's a racer through and through and will not want to concede a single victory, no matter what the risk...
133 Post contains images Bongo : To see MS Ferrari´s engine burn and let Alonso be this year´s Champion: Priceless Couldn´t be happier with the results
134 Cornish : Massa is not exactly Schuey's replacement. He was originally signed on the expectation that he might do a one year job in the case that Kimi and Mich
135 Post contains images Legoguy : I though that Ferrari ould be giving both drivers equal attention this year. They said earlier this year that if Schumacher stayed and Kimi joined, t
136 Kaddyuk : Honda are getting better... their reliability and performance is improving and in the right conditions should be challenging positions on the podium
137 Legoguy : That would be great! Button has done alot for the sport. He is always doing promotional stuff where as Kimi does the minimal amount of promoting. It'
138 Kaddyuk : True he is a quiet racer, but most of that can be put down the the strong control Ron Dennis has over his drivers. Whenever Honda have a press confer
139 Bill142 : It gets better, then Max Mosley steps in and forces his crap upon everyone. It will never be perfect. That dosn't explain a whole season of adapting
140 HKGKaiTak : Yes but Michael Schumacher left a winning Benetton-Renault team to join Ferrari which was a second-tier team at the time, at look what's happened sin
141 Bill142 : Brawn joined in 1996 and Byrne retired from Benetton at the end of 1996 only to be lured back in 1997 by Ferrari.
142 Cornish : Yes they wil get equal attention no question - especially early in the season. But I think you misunderstood what i meant. Kimi will become the No.1
143 Post contains images Legoguy : That's what I would have thought, but in the past, Barichello has been ordered to move over and let Schumacher finish first and this was in the early
144 Cornish : For me the jury is still very out over Webber. Sometimes he seems to have some very good races and at others he can be completely anonymous. Okay the
145 Post contains images Tifoso : I don't understand this. Do you support a team/driver depending on who will win next? Don't you support someone because you like their driving or per
146 Cornish : partially right, partially wrong. Ferrari's ideal would have been a Kimi and Schuey combo if they could have got both parties to agree and had equal
147 Legoguy : I like all of the mentioned driver's personalities and all of them are great drivers, however when one of your favourite driver's go to a team whom y
148 Post contains images BA757 : I told you Alonso would come out on top! And a belated happy birthday to you too. Adam
149 Bill142 : That's not what I heard. Rubens, according to JT came to him late last year seeking a release from his contract. There could have been talk of a cont
150 Kaddyuk : Is that not possibly caused by the media more than the team. Once you work your way down the pack, the drivers seem to just be drivers and not a #1 o
151 Bill142 : It comes down to the performance of the team. The smaller team has different goals so it is going to be less evident.
152 Cornish : Exactly. For those teams, any points and any chance to move up the grid will be the aim. Also often the drivers could be paying to drive in the team
153 Bill142 : The same can be said for Renault with Fisi winning on his own, as well as Trulli when he was with the team.
154 Cornish : Mmmm not so sure about that one. Yes Alonso is definitely the No.1 by dint of being quicker and winning more, but Fisi has been made to support in th
155 HKGKaiTak : I fear you may be right regarding Webber. He has bettered all his team-mates to date but he wasn't convincing against the best of them - Nick Heidfel
156 Cornish : There was much discussion over this at the time, but it came down to the fact that they saw Kimi as a much greater prospect - and they were right of
157 Bill142 : Webber will have to dominate Coulthard to have any future prospects. As has been said, the fact that Flavio picked up a rookie with a years testing e
158 Cornish : Mmm thats the way i see it. give it a couple of seasons to develop a Newey car into something really competitive. Better to have two experienced and
159 Post contains links Legoguy : http://www.itv-f1.com/News_Article.aspx?PO_ID=37709 Schumacher believes Ferrari deserves the title more than Renault because the Italian-squad is the
160 BA757 : Well he would! I'd be surprised if he said he wanted Renault to win, wouldn't exactly boost the Ferrari boys moral would it? Adam
161 Legoguy : No but the fact that he feels Ferrari deserves it over Renault. REnault have had everything thrown at them by the FIA and all decisions have been in
162 BA757 : Oh I know, I do agree with you! All I am saying is he is bound to say that - I'd be very surprised if he says differently. Adam
163 Post contains images Legoguy : I suppose so. He also mentions that he want's to fight for the title fairly. However I am worried that it does not stop Massa driving unfairly. I hop
164 Bill142 : The PR department filters everything. Anything said is only going to make good stuff come out. Once he is free of the Ferrari PR machine you might st
165 Post contains links BA757 : Quoting Bill142 (Reply 164): Personally MS cannot afford to end his career in such controversy, but I doubt that will stop him. To bring up the dull s
166 Bill142 : True. But I was thinking. What does MS have to gain by running into FA? taking himself out of the race is going to achieve nothing considering he nee
167 HKGKaiTak : Very true. It's ironic that Fisichella, Trulli and Ralf all made their mark as the "next generation" in 1997, the year we saw Villeneuve and Williams
168 Kaddyuk : Exactly, and they'd throw the WCC title away... Even if schumi wins and massa blows himself and alonso out of the race, fisi only needs to get higher
169 Bill142 : Spot on. I think the whole taking each other out tactic isn't going to happen. The FIA will be watching like hawks and everyone has to much to loose.
170 Cornish : Exactly - at home in Brazil, I think Massa will want to go for the win. The chances of MS winning the championship are so slim that Massa does stand
171 Bill142 : McLaren seem pretty determined to get a win. They've been fast there in the past. De La Rosa has been confirmed. Hopefully they will confirm him for 2
172 BA757 : That's good news. Lets hope so! Let's see Kimi give Mclaren one last win. I hope they do. It would be risky giving Hamilton the seat without him havi
173 Legoguy : Would the testing over the winter not give him enough f1 practise to start next season. Rosberg kicked ass for the first few grandprix's this season.
174 Cornish : Still very much up in the air. Maybe, but Kimi, Jenson and Nico suggest otherwise. The old adage is if you are good enough, you are good enough. Evid
175 HKGKaiTak : I don't agree - DLR isn't really topline material but Hamilton has the major potential to be. I suspect McLaren will confirm Hamilton in the #2 car (
176 Bill142 : I would agree that De La Rosa is not a top line driver, but given the right equiptment he would be excellent support for Alonso.
177 Post contains images Duff44 : I'll play the flip side of this... I think the decision to go with dlR would be a smart one, both for Alonso and McLaren. With dlR you get a seasoned
178 HKGKaiTak : I hadn't even remembered to think that Alonso and DLR are both Spanish ... and commercially (based on their current sponsors) it doesn't make sense t
179 Post contains images Duff44 : All valid points... I was just
180 Bill142 : Telefonica will continue on with Renault or pull out infavour of pushing their o2 brand with BMW. There are plenty of other companies in Spain who ar
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