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Snapshot: Foley Hurting GOP, Bush Down To 36%  
User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2192 times:

We're now 4 weeks out from the midterm, and the Foley fracas is definitely hurting the GOP. Most Americans think Bush deliberately lied in taking the nation to war on Iraq, and his approval rating is sinking again.

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1543199,00.html?cnn=yes

It is looking like a Fall of discontent for the GOP. However, again, if the Dems take over Congress, and go for impeachment, I wouldn't be surprised if the GOP wins again in '08.

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User currently offlineKFLLCFII From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3309 posts, RR: 30
Reply 1, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2165 times:

There is much talk in the media about Foley hurting the GOP, but there is very little talk in the media about a possible backfire against the Democrats for what this could be perceived by Republicans as a liberal-media "witch hunt". Foley is and has been out of the picture since virtually day one of the scandal, yet they continue to push the issue to no end...

If anything, Foleygate could only strengthen the Republican base into such a collective voice as to say "We've already weeded out the bad apples, but we won't stand for this perpetual smear campaign."

You know, we can talk all day about Foley, or Iraq, or immigration, or whatever the hot topic of choice may be. But at the end of the day, when a person comes face to face with that voting machine... And it's just them, the two candidates' names appearing before them, and a gut feeling deep down inside saying "I don't want to experience the anger, the pain I felt on that one fateful day five years earlier again...Do I really want to gamble our national security in the hands of new leadership, when the status quo has already shown to be effective in this regard? Why change just for the sake of change when what we've got already works?"

The fact of the matter is, and as much as some people prefer not to believe, 9/11 and national security is still very much in the minds of many, many Americans. And although it may not always be the topic of choice in everyday current-events conversations, when it all comes down to the ballot, and a choice has to be made between one or the other, people will undoubtedly let their passion for security shine through.

Call it...the true trademark of the Silent Majority...



"About the only way to look at it, just a pity you are not POTUS KFLLCFII, seems as if we would all be better off."
User currently offlineItsjustme From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 2808 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2154 times:

Quoting KFLLCFII (Reply 1):


If anything, Foleygate could only strengthen the Republican base into such a collective voice as to say "We've already weeded out the bad apples, but we won't stand for this perpetual smear campaign."

Strongly disagree. As long as Repbulicans, including President Bush continue to support House Speaker Dennis Hastert and others who had knowlege of Foley's perverted acts but did not act on them, the Republican base will continue to be weakened. How can you say they have "weeded out the bad apples"? Those who knew of Foley's actions and covered for him are nearly as guilty as Foley.


Quoting KFLLCFII (Reply 1):
The fact of the matter is, and as much as some people prefer not to believe, 9/11 and national security is still very much in the minds of many, many Americans.

This article contradicts what you are saying.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20061006/pl_nm/bush_dc_4


User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2148 times:

Quoting KFLLCFII (Reply 1):
There is much talk in the media about Foley hurting the GOP, but there is very little talk in the media about a possible backfire against the Democrats for what this could be perceived by Republicans as a liberal-media "witch hunt".

I don't doubt that it is. But it's only 4 weeks until the elections, and the Dems will do everything they can to keep this story alive. Since Foley is already gone, it appears that they are now trying to expose all instant messages and emails of other republicans and hopefully out a few gay republicans in order to piss off the religious right, and stop them from voting.

It's dirty politics, but it may end up being effective, especially considering that the Dems have been highly unsuccessful in winning votes based on a positive agenda - their slogan appears to be simply "Hate republicans and we are the alternative." I have not heard any specific plans on what they want to do if they regain power in terms of Iraq, Social Security, medical costs etc. Except raise taxes - they have said they would do that. Big surprise...


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 40066 posts, RR: 74
Reply 4, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2146 times:

Quoting KFLLCFII (Reply 1):
And it's just them, the two candidates' names appearing before them, and a gut feeling deep down inside saying "I don't want to experience the anger, the pain I felt on that one fateful day five years earlier again...Do I really want to gamble our national security in the hands of new leadership,

Yep. The Democrats are responsible for 9/11.  Yeah sure



Bring back the Concorde
User currently offlineBushpilot From South Africa, joined Jul 2007, 0 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2139 times:

Quoting Falcon84 (Thread starter):
It is looking like a Fall of discontent for the GOP. However, again, if the Dems take over Congress, and go for impeachment, I wouldn't be surprised if the GOP wins again in '08.

Well this story surely is hurting the GOP. Hastert not stepping down is also going to come into play. He says he did nothing wrong, I havent heard him say when Hastert did find out about it. But thats alright, I think he has lost credibility among most people who are moderate. So I say let him stay he is going to cost the GOP the election.
I am tired of hearing about this impeachment, until someone can come up with an actual law that was broken, then the Democrats should really back off of this. It would be stupid, unwise, and idiotic to wait 12 years to win the house back, and then to spend the next two years working on impeachment and lose it all again. The democrats are probably going to have the house fall into thier laps. All they had to do is sit on a scandal that I am confident many of them knew was going to come out a month before the election. Now they need to figure out healthcare, immigration, education, and Iraq. They should not, I repeat not, spend the next two years trying to punish the GOP for Iraq and all this. Now is the time for them to step up and move thier agenda.


User currently offlineKFLLCFII From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3309 posts, RR: 30
Reply 6, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2121 times:

Quoting Itsjustme (Reply 2):
How can you say they have "weeded out the bad apples"? Those who knew of Foley's actions and covered for him are nearly as guilty as Foley.

There's a minor distinction I must make, in order to clarify this particular point in my first post: I'm not specifically making the claim as to whether or not they actually have weeded out all the bad apples, but instead attempting to put forth the perspective from the Republican base: That what they perceive as "bad apples" in their party have already been weeded out, and that any further continuation of this "witch hunt" (as they perceive it) is simply an attempt to smear...

And I maintain, if this does continue as a "see how many Republicans we can smear" campaign, you can be damn sure the Republican base won't just sit this one out like the Dems have bet the farm on.

Quoting Itsjustme (Reply 2):
This article contradicts what you are saying.

It does?

Republican pollster Whit Ayres doubted whether the Foley scandal would overwhelm the remainder of the election campaign and said Bush's message would still play ... "It's highly likely that the primary issues of this election will reemerge over the course of the next four weeks," Ayres said. Fighting terrorism, he said, "plays to everybody. The fear of a terrorist attack is just beneath the surface for most Americans."

Compared to:

Quoting KFLLCFII (Reply 1):
The fact of the matter is, and as much as some people prefer not to believe, 9/11 and national security is still very much in the minds of many, many Americans.

You be the judge...  Wink

Quoting Superfly (Reply 4):
Yep. The Democrats are responsible for 9/11.

Great way to misconstrue a post, 'Sup.  Yeah sure



"About the only way to look at it, just a pity you are not POTUS KFLLCFII, seems as if we would all be better off."
User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 40066 posts, RR: 74
Reply 7, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2114 times:

Quoting KFLLCFII (Reply 6):
Great way to misconstrue a post, 'Sup

Hardly.
What you were saying is we should keep the Republicans in power since they were in power on 9/11. Why bother continuing having elections if you feel that the Republicans are the only party that is concerned about national security?



Bring back the Concorde
User currently offlineAirWillie6475 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 2448 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2097 times:

I think most people know that this is just political play by the left. What the congressman's nasty chat with the 18 yearold has anything to do with our lives and issues, and why Bush is down 36% is beyond me. By the way, Pres Clinton showed his johnson to a gov. clerk and maybe did more than that and he still has the balls to show his face on T.V. Isn't that a double standard..?

User currently offlineKFLLCFII From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3309 posts, RR: 30
Reply 9, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2088 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 7):
What you were saying is we should keep the Republicans in power since they were in power on 9/11.

Wait... A minute ago, it was "the Democrats are responsible for 9/11." Which one is it?  Yeah sure

Quoting Superfly (Reply 7):
Why bother continuing having elections if you feel that the Republicans are the only party that is concerned about national security?

Last time I checked, this is a representative republic. Why would I stand in the way of anyone's right to free election?  Wink



"About the only way to look at it, just a pity you are not POTUS KFLLCFII, seems as if we would all be better off."
User currently offlineTexdravid From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1365 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2080 times:

To back up the aforementioned title, please see below.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/art..._true_blowout_is_now_possible.html

I truly feel that this isn't just going to be a Democratic takeover, it is going to be a giant tidal wave with Democrats winning big and taking over both houses of Congress.

Dumsfeld, er Rumsfeld and Jorge Arbusto and Condi Rice better look out and prepare accordingly. These three are going to be scalped.



Tort reform now. Throw lawyers in jail later.
User currently offlineTom in NO From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 7194 posts, RR: 33
Reply 11, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2073 times:

Let's see.....'those who live in glass houses, etc'.....Democrats 'sh*t don't stink'.....the cliche's go on and on. Frankly, if I had to pick one thing about the US that embarrasses me the most, it's the ways we go about bandying our politics. And yes, it's both parties, it doesn't matter who's in the White House, or who's in charge on the Hill. "Screw the other party, and who cares if we screw our people at the same time. It's all about what's best for me and my political future, not what's best for our country's future". No wonder we get laughed at. If I was on the outside looking in, I'd probably be laughing, too.

Rant over, it's Miller time.

Tom at MSY



"The criminal ineptitude makes you furious"-Bruce Springsteen, after seeing firsthand the damage from Hurricane Katrina
User currently offlineB777-700 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2068 times:

Quoting KFLLCFII (Reply 1):
there is very little talk in the media about a possible backfire against the Democrats for what this could be perceived by Republicans as a liberal-media "witch hunt".

No, it's not the medias fault. It's not the Dems fault...and I'm sure that one of your righties will bring up Clinton sooner or later...It's Foley's fault, and those who covered it up. (ie Republicans) Any thing else is an excuse to hide your insecurity.

Quoting KFLLCFII (Reply 1):
If anything, Foleygate could only strengthen the Republican base into such a collective voice as to say "We've already weeded out the bad apples, but we won't stand for this perpetual smear campaign."

Then why has Karl Rove had a job for so long?  Yeah sure

Quoting KFLLCFII (Reply 1):
And it's just them, the two candidates' names appearing before them, and a gut feeling deep down inside saying "I don't want to experience the anger, the pain I felt on that one fateful day five years earlier again...

Things have changed after 9/11. It's ok for the Republicans to hide their pedophiles...as long as Al Queda doesn't get me!  Yeah sure

Quoting KFLLCFII (Reply 1):
Do I really want to gamble our national security in the hands of new leadership, when the status quo has already shown to be effective in this regard? Why change just for the sake of change when what we've got already works?"

 rotfl 

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 3):
Quoting KFLLCFII (Reply 1):
There is much talk in the media about Foley hurting the GOP, but there is very little talk in the media about a possible backfire against the Democrats for what this could be perceived by Republicans as a liberal-media "witch hunt".

I don't doubt that it is.

Of course you don't. Because you're off your rocker.

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 3):
their slogan appears to be simply "Hate republicans and we are the alternative."

Replace Republicans with 'liberals' and you have the past 15 years of this country.

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 3):
I have not heard any specific plans on what they want to do if they regain power in terms of Iraq, Social Security, medical costs etc. Except raise taxes - they have said they would do that. Big surprise...

What does that have to do with anything? We're talking about how the Foley scandal is effecting the Presidents approval ratings...Did you not get that memo?

Quoting Bushpilot (Reply 5):
They should not, I repeat not, spend the next two years trying to punish the GOP for Iraq and all this.

Justice does need to be done.

Quoting AirWillie6475 (Reply 8):
What the congressman's nasty chat with the 18 yearold has anything to do with our lives and issues,

Gee...where have I heard that before?

Oh yeah! Monica! That's exactly what most of the country thought!

Quoting AirWillie6475 (Reply 8):
and why Bush is down 36% is beyond me.

Um, because he sucks. I can't put that any more eloquently.

Quoting AirWillie6475 (Reply 8):
By the way, Pres Clinton showed his johnson to a gov. clerk and maybe did more than that and he still has the balls to show his face on T.V. Isn't that a double standard..?

Hey! Just like I said! The righties automatically go to the 'blame Clinton' talking point!

Quoting AirWillie6475 (Reply 8):
I think most people know that this is just political play by the left.



Quoting Cfalk (Reply 3):
It's dirty politics, but it may end up being effective,

Yeah! It's a regular Swiftboating I tell ya!  Wink


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 40066 posts, RR: 74
Reply 13, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2064 times:

Quoting KFLLCFII (Reply 9):
Why would I stand in the way of anyone's right to free election?

You are implying that we keep a Republican controlled government because of 9/11. Why even bother having elections if you feel the Republicans should always stay in power?



Bring back the Concorde
User currently offlineAirCop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2064 times:

The best part of this scandal its putting many more congressional (House and Senate) races in play. Personally, as an American, I want Washington to get back to working for the people that made this country great, not the big spenders, corporations, or having any more politicans more concern about their own self-interest.

User currently offlineDiamond From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3279 posts, RR: 63
Reply 15, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2058 times:

Some conservatives wonder why such a big deal is being made out of Foleygate. It is because it comes on the heels of 30 other scandals - most of which remain unresolved.

It gets to a point where enough is enough. Foley could be the final straw.

The 'holding pattern' of scandals can be reviewed here:

http://dir.salon.com/story/news/feature/2005/01/18/scandal/index.html



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User currently offlineConnies4ever From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 4066 posts, RR: 13
Reply 16, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2043 times:

Quoting Falcon84 (Thread starter):
It is looking like a Fall of discontent for the GOP. However, again, if the Dems take over Congress, and go for impeachment, I wouldn't be surprised if the GOP wins again in '08.

I'll tell you why there will be no Bush impeachment: because if it happened, you'd wind up with the Prince of Darkness as president, that's why. Just too frightening to contemplate. Ride out the last two years with a lame duck and move on.

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 3):
I don't doubt that it is. But it's only 4 weeks until the elections, and the Dems will do everything they can to keep this story alive. Since Foley is already gone, it appears that they are now trying to expose all instant messages and emails of other republicans and hopefully out a few gay republicans in order to piss off the religious right, and stop them from voting.

It's dirty politics, but it may end up being effective, especially considering that the Dems have been highly unsuccessful in winning votes based on a positive agenda - their slogan appears to be simply "Hate republicans and we are the alternative." I have not heard any specific plans on what they want to do if they regain power in terms of Iraq, Social Security, medical costs etc. Except raise taxes - they have said they would do that. Big surprise...

To reinforce B777-700s comment, I seem to recall the Swift Boat veterans as being pretty dirty. But then I'm just an observer, not a citizen.

Foley could have been a Dem, but was a Republican. It could have occurred in either party. It's a damn shame when elected people (or anyone, for that matter) influence minors in such a manner (and don't think Canada is immune to sex-related scandals). The political scandal is that it appears there _may_ have been a cover-up. Just like a 3rd-rate burglary wasn't really the deal, it was the cover-up.

I don't know how much this will influence voters, but it surely can't be good news for the GOP. Coming on top of continued very bad news from Iraq, the Abramoff thing, Woodward's new book (esp. after the Administration praised the first two volumes), and the incredible financial position the US now finds itself in: world's largest debtor. Spending $7-8B/month in Iraq is not helping.

In fact, in the long run, it will be interesting to see how (or if) the US can wiggle off this hook: China now holds something over 10% of all US paper, and as time goes by and this amount increases, they will gain strategic influence. Especially when they become the world's largest economy -- which will be pretty soon.

But I'm wandering. I will watch the elections next month with keen interest.



Nostalgia isn't what it used to be.
User currently offlineKFLLCFII From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3309 posts, RR: 30
Reply 17, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2042 times:

Quoting Texdravid (Reply 10):

He sounds so confident, yet so unsure at the same time. It's as if he's trying to put forth as many reasons why the Democrats should win this election as he can, just in an attempt to overcome the deafening ambiguity in his mind of the Republican base that he apparently seems to not fully understand. He almost sounds...dare I say it... scared...to accept the idea that Republicans may not buy into (or care) about all that is presented to them by the media. I almost feel sorry for him...

Quoting B777-700 (Reply 12):
Quoting KFLLCFII (Reply 1):
If anything, Foleygate could only strengthen the Republican base into such a collective voice as to say "We've already weeded out the bad apples, but we won't stand for this perpetual smear campaign."

Then why has Karl Rove had a job for so long?

See the first paragraph in my reply #6 to gain the proper perspective distinction of my original post.

Quoting B777-700 (Reply 12):
Quoting KFLLCFII (Reply 1):
Do I really want to gamble our national security in the hands of new leadership, when the status quo has already shown to be effective in this regard? Why change just for the sake of change when what we've got already works?"

 rotfl 

Same as above.



"About the only way to look at it, just a pity you are not POTUS KFLLCFII, seems as if we would all be better off."
User currently offlineKFLLCFII From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3309 posts, RR: 30
Reply 18, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2034 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 13):
Why even bother having elections if you feel the Republicans should always stay in power?

Tell ya what. Show me where I implied this:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 13):
you feel the Republicans should always stay in power

...and I'll answer your question.



"About the only way to look at it, just a pity you are not POTUS KFLLCFII, seems as if we would all be better off."
User currently offlineAirWillie6475 From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 2448 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2034 times:

Quoting Texdravid (Reply 10):
I truly feel that this isn't just going to be a Democratic takeover, it is going to be a giant tidal wave with Democrats winning big and taking over both houses of Congress.

I really doubt it, most know that Democrats have nothing to offer and there's too much at stake for angry Rep voters to vote Democrat. If there wasn't a war, no doubt the Democrats would take over but I'm not so sure about our current state.

[Edited 2006-10-07 01:27:17]

User currently offlineItsjustme From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 2808 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2011 times:

Quoting AirWillie6475 (Reply 8):
I think most people know that this is just political play by the left. What the congressman's nasty chat with the 18 yearold has anything to do with our lives and issues.

May I suggest you get your facts straight before you post here? The page Foley conversed with via the Internet was 16 years of age, not 18. That makes him a minor which means, depending on the contents of the messages Foley sent, there could be criminal charges involved. Not exactly the "political play by the left" you are trying to spin this as being.

Quoting AirWillie6475 (Reply 8):
and why Bush is down 36% is beyond me.

I have a feeling quite few things are beyond you.


User currently offlineB777-700 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2012 times:

Quoting AirWillie6475 (Reply 19):
most know that Democrats have nothing to offer

And the only thing the Pedo...Uh, I mean Repubs have to offer is saying the Dems have nothing to offer.  Yeah sure


User currently offlineBushpilot From South Africa, joined Jul 2007, 0 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2003 times:

Quoting Tom in NO (Reply 11):
Frankly, if I had to pick one thing about the US that embarrasses me the most, it's the ways we go about bandying our politics. And yes, it's both parties

This is what sickens me about our government. The current two parties are the most powerful entities in this country. The problem is that they area easily bought off, and its legal to do so. We need and have needed a major overhaul in DC.

Quoting B777-700 (Reply 12):
No, it's not the medias fault. It's not the Dems fault...and I'm sure that one of your righties will bring up Clinton sooner or later...It's Foley's fault, and those who covered it up. (ie Republicans) Any thing else is an excuse to hide your insecurity.

Just a quick thought, I wonder how many democrats did know about this. When did they know. If Foley was breaking a federal law, they are just as guilty for not reporting it immediatly. I dont think for a minute that nobody on the left didnt know about it as long as they knew on the right. If it is shown that the democrats sat on this story until it was politically right for them. Those people should be in the same hot water.

Quoting B777-700 (Reply 12):
Justice does need to be done.



Quoting Connies4ever (Reply 16):
Ride out the last two years with a lame duck and move on.

I am not happy with either party these days, but if the Dems do win the house, which I think will happen, (I think the senate is a longer shot) it would be foolish of them to go right after impeachment. It makes for even less things getting done in DC than already are. Why why why would they spend 12 years waiting for this chance to win back the majority only to spend the next two years slinging more mud and not pushing thier agenda which im not convinced that they even have one. I think Connies is right, the Bush administration has been an embarrassing disaster for this country. Let history judge the President. We dont need trumped up impeachment proceedings going on. If the US legislative branch starts down this road, every President in the future will probably have impeachment hearings on them. Impeachment needs to be much much less about political fights and more about the matter of the law and dereliction of duty. Bush is on his way out, the dems need to rally the troops. Quit acting like whiny babies who need thier diapers changed and get some shit done. Get Iraq taken care of, get people health care, keep them safe from the boogie man, and figure out immigration. If the democrats can come up with solid workable plans about those 4 issues they will have the white house in 08.


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 40066 posts, RR: 74
Reply 23, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2004 times:

KFLLCFII:
Rather than answering my question with another question, why not just simply answer my question?
The President and his party's numbers are down for a reason and some Democrats are leading in high-profile races. You offer no substance what so ever that the Democrats don't care about nation security.

I have a sick feeling that Congress will stay Republican but not for the reason's you stated. I'll tell you why once you've answered my question.



Bring back the Concorde
User currently offlineKFLLCFII From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3309 posts, RR: 30
Reply 24, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1979 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 23):
Rather than answering my question with another question, why not just simply answer my question?

How can I answer a question in regard to something I have yet to be shown where I even implied said "matter of fact"?

You made the claim that I feel the Republicans should always stay in power. If you can't even show me where I implied that, then it's a baseless question.

The ball is in your court...

Quoting Superfly (Reply 23):
You offer no substance what so ever that the Democrats don't care about nation security.

And the Democrats offer no substance whatsoever that they *do*.

Does this imply that the Republicans should always stay in power? No. But it does, however, imply that the Democrats have a way to go before they can gain the trust of a large conservative base...and they're certainly not headed in the right direction if that's their motive. That said, I swear...on my mother's and father's grave...and on my own grave...that if any party, be it the Democrats, the Libertarians, the Greens, the Communists, or any other party that comes to the plate demonstrates that by giving them the nod, they will without a doubt do one hell of a better job keeping us safe than the Republicans, then they will have my vote.

Unfortunately, this won't happen in 2006. Perhaps in 2008, but two years isn't a whole lot of time for a complete 180° from any party to earn my trust. Nevertheless, the benefit of the doubt is still there. Only time will tell...

(And no, I'm not interested to hear your reason(s) why Congress will stay Republican.)  Wink



"About the only way to look at it, just a pity you are not POTUS KFLLCFII, seems as if we would all be better off."
25 Superfly : KFLLCFII: It sounds like you have your mind made up and it doesn't sound like you are willing to listen to other sides unless it's a duplicate of what
26 Post contains links J_Hallgren : When I heard about this, and how it is being treated by the media, it should make anyone who knows history of other similar scandals vote for Repub's
27 GuitrThree : Oh... please do tell us exactly what the Democrats agenda is. I've really never heard it... seriously.. please, I'd like to hear it.. for all I know,
28 Post contains images Cfalk : Then you have not read his posts. It is not sufficient to simply be not-Bush. The Democrats need to lay out their agenda, convince people that their
29 Post contains images Superfly : We shall continue this on November 8th. So far, the polls say otherwise. Then again, polls are all just liberal propaganda right?
30 Post contains links ArtieFufkin : Here's a page that tracks Bush's approval rating via the top national polls. As mentioned earlier Bush is back into the 30's. But even the 40's is ter
31 Post contains links ArtieFufkin : Here is Hotline's list of most competitive House seats ranked by order of likelihood to change party control. Note: No Dem seat shows up until #30. ht
32 Post contains links and images B777-700 : Sure they do, you just chose to ignore it so you can go on saying your neocon talking point that the 'Dems have no plan'. It's easier for you guys to
33 GuitrThree : Ok.. Yea.. 6 Points.. let's examine.. Honest Leadership & Open Government We will end the Republican culture of corruption and restore a government a
34 JGPH1A : Prove they're actually terrorists, and you get to keep 'em. So far, LOTS of detention, not too much proof.
35 GuitrThree : Oh yea.. that little detail of us RE-capturing a number of them once again trying to kill our Soldiers in Iraq after we let them go slips your mind,
36 JGPH1A : So on what basis were they let go in the first place ? If you let the ones go who ARE "illegal combatants" and don't put the rest on trial, how are y
37 Cfalk : Sorry, but that is a load of BS. Let's see now, the last Republican scandal involved unauthorized ass. The last Democratic scandal involves bribes. W
38 Post contains images B777-700 : What do they have to do with anything? No one cares about the past. We need to do something about the present and future. Both are currently mest up.
39 Joni : The Democrats have, according to the perception I've got, so far not embraced negative campaigning and outright fraud to the extent the Republicans h
40 GuitrThree : Do something about the Present. Are you trying to say that anyone that committed a crime in the past, i.e., the above examples, are not relevant? Oh
41 Post contains images B777-700 : Just because you're not going to be indited doesn't mean you didn't do anything wrong. Rove is dirty and you know it, it just works in your favor so
42 GuitrThree : For what? I've not seen any evidence of a cover up yet, have you? But, yes. If it comes to light that he covered something up, he needs, and will go.
43 ArtieFufkin : It's the same 43% that still after all these years think Iraq had something to do with 9/11. Bush's base is very religious and in general do not foll
44 Cfalk : This is planet Earth calling... Earth to Joni... The past few years has been nothing but negative campaigning. I remember a study made during the 200
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