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GOP Trying To Pull Dems Into Foley Scandal  
User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 2262 times:

The biggest indicator yet that the GOP is on the verge of desperation when it comes to their political fortunes in 4 weeks.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/10/06/foley.fallout/index.html

I think you'll find the answer is "no" on this one-not because Pelosi and Reid are pure as the driven snow, because we all know they're not, but because every indication is this was brought foward by the pages themselves, not the Dems. And further, the GOP leadership knew about this for ages (not the emails, but Foley's problem), so why didn't they get rid of the problem long before this.

Act of desperation, nothing else.

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User currently offlineRichPhitzwell From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 2264 times:

According to Fox news...Foley is a Dem. Did anybody else catch that when this first blew up?
Anywho, the GOP from hour one was trying to place blame on the D's. First they were asking how long D's knew about this and did not say anything "These are our kids that the D's are not protecting". It seems they have stopped after looking like idiots.

It seems that both parties shoot first then take the blame....but it seems more severe with the R's dragging out the blame the longest. Sigh, different strategy I guess.

[Edited 2006-10-07 05:15:30]

User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 2255 times:

Quoting RichPhitzwell (Reply 1):

Yes-Anet did: http://www.airliners.net/discussions/non_aviation/read.main/1392139/


User currently offlineRichPhitzwell From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 2247 times:

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 2):
Yes-Anet did: No Wonder Hastert Isn't Resigning...Foley A DEM? (by SHUPirate1 Oct 5 2006 in Non Aviation)

Honestly, I really dont care about this scandal, so no search. Good job A.net!

This "scandal" is what I hate about the Media and the general public. So many more important issues going on at the same exact time as this and what do we all focus on...


User currently offlineConcord977 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1261 posts, RR: 26
Reply 4, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 2228 times:

Quoting Falcon84 (Thread starter):
GOP Trying To Pull Dems Into Foley Scandal

Not only are they trying to pull the Dems into this but they are specifically going after Hilary Clinton. They're blaming it on an organization she's affiliated with. I don't think she'd take the risk of creating this scandal. She has too much to lose.

Speaking of blame, one GOP senator and 3 GOP representatives have gone on record saying they told Hastert about Foley's problem 2 to 3 years ago. Yet yesterday he went on the air and said no one knew about this until they saw it on the news this week.

So his own people are blaming him (Hastert) and in response he is calling them all liars?



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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39686 posts, RR: 75
Reply 5, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 2199 times:

This doesn't surprise me at all. After all, these are Republicans we are talking about.
These are the same turds that tried to pin the events of 9/11 on the Democrats. Therefore this doesn't surprise me one bit.

I can't wait to hear the spin that Cfalk, Gilligan, AerospaceFan and other like-minds will put on this.

We are all ears!

[Edited 2006-10-07 09:26:13]


Bring back the Concorde
User currently offlineGilligan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 2191 times:

Quoting Falcon84 (Thread starter):
And further, the GOP leadership knew about this for ages (not the emails, but Foley's problem), so why didn't they get rid of the problem long before this.

OK Foley, you haven't done anything wrong that we know of, but just in case you're fired. Frank, you're next. Any other strange acting people we come across, you're fired. Yep, that would have looked real good. Democrats would have supported that, sure they would.

Falcon, you have yet to provide proof that anyone in the leadership knew before the im's came out a week ago, that Foley was indeed doing anything wrong. Odd behavior is not an excuse to toss someone, if it were then a quarter the house could be impeached. When you have proof positive that Hastert and the leadership knew for a fact that Foley was doing something illegal and did nothing to stop it or just plain cover it up, common back.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 5):
I can't wait to hear the spin that Cfalk, Gilligan, AerospaceFan and other like-minds will put on this.

It's easy. Gerry Studds. Democrats cannot and should not say a thing about thing about how Hastert has handled this situation. If they do they prove what hypocrites they really are.


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39686 posts, RR: 75
Reply 7, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 2183 times:

Quoting Gilligan (Reply 6):
Gerry Studds

Dude, that's so 80s!
Can you at least find someone current?
Geez!
I'd be curious as to how many people that covered the Studds story are covering the Foley story. A lot of the folks involved you'd have to dig up from 6ft. under.
You're thinking with a pre-9/11 mentality!  Silly



Bring back the Concorde
User currently offlineGilligan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 2174 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 7):
Dude, that's so 80s!

He served, without any attempt by the democrats to remove him or back someone else in his district, until 1996, 13 years after his acknowledged affair with a page that was a minor at the time. Not only was he not ridiculed from office but recieved a standing ovation from his fellow democrats for turning his back on the speakers chair when he was censured. Democrats have absolutley no room to say anything when it comes to sexual abuse of minors.


User currently offlineRichPhitzwell From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 2143 times:

Quoting Gilligan (Reply 8):
He served, without any attempt by the democrats to remove him or back someone else in his district, until 1996, 13 years after his acknowledged affair with a page that was a minor at the time. Not only was he not ridiculed from office but recieved a standing ovation from his fellow democrats for turning his back on the speakers chair when he was censured. Democrats have absolutley no room to say anything when it comes to sexual abuse of minors.

But the Dems, are really not saying much. Most of the arguing is coming from fellow republicans fingere pointing and from the media blowing things ups.

In some states, 16 is legal....This really should not be a topic to focus attention on, not when we are reinterpreting the Geneva Convention at the same time as this. Sounds like this sex scandal is a plot to direct our attention elsewhere.


User currently offlineAirCop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 2136 times:

Quoting Gilligan (Reply 6):
Gerry Studds. Democrats cannot and should not say a thing about thing about how Hastert has handled this situation. If they do they prove what hypocrites they really are.

Why is it that you never bring up Rep. Dan Crane, a republican also censured at the same time for having sex with underage pages?

Quoting Gilligan (Reply 6):
OK Foley, you haven't done anything wrong that we know of

Then why is Majority Leader Boehner and GOP Whip Blunt is offering only tepid support of Halsert in their public statements? Maybe they see the sharks swimming, and just what to distance themeselves.


User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39686 posts, RR: 75
Reply 11, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 2122 times:

Quoting RichPhitzwell (Reply 9):
But the Dems, are really not saying much. Most of the arguing is coming from fellow republicans fingere pointing and from the media blowing things ups.

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Bring back the Concorde
User currently offlineGilligan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 2103 times:

Quoting RichPhitzwell (Reply 9):
But the Dems, are really not saying much

Any time things quiet down on the Foley front for even a minute, they start stirring the pot again.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061007/...;_ylu=X3oDMTA3OXIzMDMzBHNlYwM3MDM-

Not long before sitting down for a lunchtime interview, she turned down a suggestion from Speaker Dennis Hastert that they jointly appoint former FBI Director Louie Freeh to recommend improvements in the page program.

"That was about protecting their majority" rather than the pages, she said dismissively.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061006/ap_on_el_ge/pelosi_time_1

Instead, she wants to put Hastert and other Republicans under oath and make them say what they knew of Foley's actions, when they learned it and what they did to stop him."

Guess that depends on how you look at things. I still think the democrats are going to take back the majority in both houses, which I thought before this scandal broke out. I also still think come January they are just going to go about pissing off a lot of people by wasting time on stuff like the above.


User currently offlineGilligan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 2098 times:

Quoting AirCop (Reply 10):
Why is it that you never bring up Rep. Dan Crane, a republican also censured at the same time for having sex with underage pages?

Because as you say Crane was a Republican. In addition despite being tearful and remorse after being censured, the party did not support him in the next election cycle and as a result he lost his seat. Contrast that to Studds who not only rejected his censure, but was celebrated for it by some Democrats. No one, republican or democrat called for Tip Oneill's resignation since most people were smart enough to realize that one bad apple does not the party make. However, the DNC continued to fund his elections up until his defeat in 1996. This goes to show the hypocritical nature of certain democrats.


User currently offlineB777-700 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks ago) and read 2091 times:

Quoting RichPhitzwell (Reply 3):
So many more important issues going on at the same exact time as this and what do we all focus on...



Quoting RichPhitzwell (Reply 9):
Sounds like this sex scandal is a plot to direct our attention elsewhere.

Hmmm when have I heard those statements before?  scratchchin   Wink

Quoting Gilligan (Reply 6):
It's easy. Gerry Studds.

We're not talking about him. We're talking about Mark Foley.

Quoting Gilligan (Reply 12):
Instead, she wants to put Hastert and other Republicans under oath and make them say what they knew of Foley's actions, when they learned it and what they did to stop him."

Sounds reasonable to me. The GOP taught us that is the proper course of action, right?

I guess it depends on what your definition of 'is' is...  Wink


User currently offlineAllstarflyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 2085 times:

Quoting Falcon84 (Thread starter):
The biggest indicator yet that the GOP is on the verge of desperation when it comes to their political fortunes in 4 weeks.

Dude, have you thought about going 3rd party in your views?

Quoting Superfly (Reply 5):
This doesn't surprise me at all. After all, these are Republicans we are talking about.
These are the same turds that tried to pin the events of 9/11 on the Democrats. Therefore this doesn't surprise me one bit.

Saw it comin' from a mile, I'm sure   .

Quoting Gilligan (Reply 6):
Falcon, you have yet to provide proof that anyone in the leadership knew before the im's came out a week ago, that Foley was indeed doing anything wrong.

Gilligan, I'm a conservative, but Hastert and crew dropped the ball BIG time on this.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060930/ap_on_go_co/foley_reynolds
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...le/2006/09/30/AR2006093001265.html
http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=2539965
Hastert was warned about this guy a while back. He should have looked into it. That he didn't even investigate it is bad enough. I'm a big fan of talk radio (which is mostly conservatives and the like), and the only guy really backing Hastert has been Hannity (probably Limbaugh, too, but I don't much listen to him). Others (like Savage, Doyle and O'Reilly) haven't really bought the Republicans backing of Hastert.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 7):
Can you at least find someone current?

Both sides stink. Here's a few more recent:

http://www.laborers.org/Bergen_Torricelli_1-6-02.htm

And even before that . . .

http://www.papillonsartpalace.com/fec.htm

Back to recent times . . .

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2002/2/3/131153.shtml

Records of plagiarism forcing out Biden . . .

http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/comment-geraghty012203.asp

Scandals big and small. They're on both sides.

Edited for grammar

-R

[Edited 2006-10-08 00:51:41]

User currently offlineTexdravid From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1345 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 2073 times:

It pains me to say this, but Falcon is absolutely right on this unfortunate topic. Everything about this sordid fiasco is terrible for the Republicans.

First, they protected a sick pervert in their midst. The post-mortem investigation in progress will show this cover-up at the highest levels of the GOP house.

Second, their response has been entirely wrong, starting with Gingrich, et. al's comment about how the Dems have been worse with their scandals.

They should have cleaned House, pardon the pun, starting with Hastert the speaker, Shimkus the page leader and other top lieutenants.

This stone-walling and blaming the Dems will and has backfired. As I have previously noted, every race in November will be affected by this and sweep the GOP out of power.



Tort reform now. Throw lawyers in jail later.
User currently offlineB777-700 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 2066 times:

Quoting Texdravid (Reply 16):

 spit  Did I just read that? Are you feeling ok?

Wow. If Tex feels this way, you guys are in serious shit...lol


User currently offlineMdsh00 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4124 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 2052 times:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15163986/from/RS.5/

A Hastert aide says that Hastert's cheif of staff had addressed this issue with Foley since 2005. Is there honestly no chance that Hastert's Chief of Staff kept this info from him? It just reeks of BS and I hope most Americans see through the GOP leadership's attempt to smear the Democrats (though they are guilty of *other* offenses too) and take attention off of themselves.

I know Conservatives are huge on personal responsibility and accountability. It's sad that their party isn't.



"Look Lois, the two symbols of the Republican Party: an elephant, and a big fat white guy who is threatened by change."
User currently offlineArtieFufkin From United States of America, joined May 2006, 704 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2049 times:

Yes, they should have hanged a few. Now 30 will drown.


Hastert will keep this in the news for the next two weeks. The Foley gets released from rehab on the third week. Lots of coverage there.

Totally knocked the GOP off their narrative which was to cry "cut and run", "cut and run" , Dems are terrorist appeasers!


User currently offlineGilligan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2029 times:

Quoting ArtieFufkin (Reply 19):
Totally knocked the GOP off their narrative which was to cry "cut and run", "cut and run" , Dems are terrorist appeasers!

That's right, and now for sure we'll get to see it in action come January. Funding for the war will start drying up and any additional requests for funding outside of the orginal budget will be subject to great debate and if granted will have huge strings attached.

Quoting Allstarflyer (Reply 15):
Gilligan, I'm a conservative, but Hastert and crew dropped the ball BIG time on this.

"Shimkus has said he learned about the e-mail exchange in late 2005 and took immediate action to investigate.
He said Foley told him it was an innocent exchange. Shimkus said he warned Foley not to have any more contact with the teenager and to respect other pages."


"House Speaker J. Dennis Hastert (R-Ill.) was notified early this year of inappropriate e-mails from former representative Mark Foley (R-Fla.) to a 16-year-old page, a top GOP House member said yesterday -- contradicting the speaker's assertions that he learned of concerns about Foley only last week."

I'm sorry, I just don't see it. The first two stories talk about the emails, which are a separate matter from the IM's. My understanding is that even the FBI said that there was nothing illegal in the emails. Foley was counseled to stop having contact and to respect the pages. What more was there to do? As I said in an earlier post the only way to make sure he complied would have been to wire tap his computer. Once it was found out he was continuing and even worsening his behaviour he had two choices, resign or be forced out, he chose the former. Now everyone wants Hastert and the rest of the leaderships heads. I take that back, most everyone calling for that, with a few exceptions, are Democrats saying they didn't do enough but not saying what they would have done differently. The only thing they would do differently now would be to hold an investigation of the leadership. Something they've wanted to do on multiple items for a long time anyway. The ABC news story just makes a huge leap from 2005 back to 2003 with only one source, who now says he can't remember who he talked to about the matter.

If you think things are bogging down now, wait until January '07. We are in for at least two years of one investigation after another that will do nothing but waste money.


User currently offlineB777-700 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 2016 times:

Quoting Gilligan (Reply 20):
I'm sorry, I just don't see it.

Come back to planet Earth and you will  Yeah sure

Quoting Gilligan (Reply 20):
The first two stories talk about the emails, which are a separate matter from the IM's. My understanding is that even the FBI said that there was nothing illegal in the emails. Foley was counseled to stop having contact and to respect the pages. What more was there to do?

LOL! Oh yeah, I mean, what more could they do? If it was you or I and our bosses found out about doing those things at work, we'd be fired on the spot...but what can the House of Representatives do? They're helpless!

"Hey Mark...Could you do us a favor and stop being a pedophile? Thanks man, 'prish-e-ate it."

Stop making excuses, and take responsibility. Your kind fuct up here.


User currently offlineGilligan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 1991 times:

Quoting B777-700 (Reply 21):
but what can the House of Representatives do?

It's not like a private business....that's why it's called "the government". If you look carefully you will find out that Congress exempts its members from most laws it passes, and that's nothing new.

Quoting B777-700 (Reply 21):
Hey Mark...Could you do us a favor and stop being a pedophile

Hey, could you look and see where even the FBI said those emails didn't contain anything illegal?

Quoting B777-700 (Reply 21):
Stop making excuses, and take responsibility

Stop looking for excuses, win an election on the issues for once.


User currently offlineB777-700 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 1985 times:

Quoting Gilligan (Reply 22):
Stop looking for excuses, win an election on the issues for once.

No, sorry, not gonna let you deflect the situation. Have you party grow a set of balls and take responsibility here. Stop blaming everyone but yourselves.


User currently offlineArtieFufkin From United States of America, joined May 2006, 704 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 1981 times:

Quoting Gilligan (Reply 22):
Stop looking for excuses, win an election on the issues for once.

Ah good one. So when the Dems takeover in November it will not be because of the "issues". Unlike the GOP wins which were not empty rhetoric, distortions, fear mongering....LOL

Yes the "issues"

Americans hate Social Security.
They like deficit spending.
They approve of the Iraq War.
They don't mind not having affordable health care.
They want their government to actively encourage jobs going overseas.
They want environmental rules ignored and gutted.
They don't mind having Congress lied to. (ie Senior Rx plan costs)
They want US reporters paid to write favorable stories.
They want to be wiretapped without Judicial oversite.
They want to remove habues corpus rights from foreign detainees.
They like having corporate lobbying donations having reached all time highs.
They want Jack Abramoff types influencing our Government.
They approve of GOP lawmakers Cunningham, Ney, Delay, Harris, Foley, Burns all being either in prison, being sent to prison, centured, or investigated for felonies.


25 ArtieFufkin : Well here's another "issue" out today. Iraq war casualties are at a two year high. "Last month, 776 U.S. troops were wounded in action in Iraq, the hi
26 Gilligan : Who is blaming anyone other than Foley? He is the one who sent the im's after being told not to have any contact. It is dems that keep suggesting tha
27 GuitrThree : Funny thing, if you Democrats weren't so busy about pushing this Foley issue, you might have actually heard this in the main steam media before today
28 Falcon84 : Agreed, 100%. But this IS an issue, and cannot be avoided, GT.
29 MaverickM11 : Looks like the whole Foley thing may be overshadowed by the whole "North Korea Nuclear testing" thing...and the whole "what is the Democrats' positio
30 ArtieFufkin : No Iraq is much more important and personally I don't think the Foley thing is that big a deal. But don't expect me to shed a tear that the media and
31 ArtieFufkin : Fat chance. This occurred on your boy's watch. You know that Iraq thing he started really just impressed the shit out of the USA's real threats like
32 Post contains images B777-700 : Clinton was very close to a disarmament agreement in 2000, and Bush pist that all away. As has been said, this is the GOP's problem. Wow, there's som
33 GuitrThree : The issue was Foley. And now he is gone. What is to carry on? How can you say this? You say it like it is FACT. Tell me: (1) Who covered it up? (2) W
34 Post contains images MaverickM11 : North Korea didn't exist before 2000? News to me . And how do you think that's going to manifest itself at the polls? Anything regarding national sec
35 MaverickM11 : All people will recognize is that they have absolutely no clue what the Democrats' position on the matter is, but they DO know the Republicans at lea
36 Post contains images B777-700 : 1) Hassert and other top Republicans 2) I seen interviews on the news w/ other Republicans that said they told them. Were they really Dems in disguis
37 GuitrThree : We are talking about ethics in Congress. William Jefferson, is on tape, taking $100,000 in bribes. And you say this has absolutely nothing to do with
38 MaverickM11 : Passive agressive snipes don't win votes. One day the Democrats, and you, will realize that you might want to actually have a position on the issue o
39 Post contains images B777-700 : No, we're talking about the "GOP Trying To Pull Dems Into Foley Scandal" That's what this thread is about. Again, you're trying to deflect. Nope, bec
40 Post contains images MaverickM11 : Well according to you he almost had a peace agreement with N. Korea so I guess anything is possible when you make it up Now that you've got your sarc
41 Gilligan : Let's see any evidence that anyone covered up anything. Nothing illegal in the emails and he was counseled on those. Hechose to continue the behaviou
42 AGM100 : Now would be the time for a serious DEM candiate to make a move. I want someone from the party to come out with a plan. The FOLEY thing is ugly, and
43 B777-700 : That's what the investigations will find out. I already addressed this. let's not go around in circles, shall we? Na, the neocons have gotten away wi
44 AGM100 : Nothing really ,but it blows a 155mm hole though your only argument to vote against the GOP. Corruption. You sound like you hate the other side so ba
45 ArtieFufkin : Can you not see it's absurd to go back 20+ years to bring up examples of Dem corruption? Nobody here is claiming Dems don't have bad apples. But I'd b
46 B777-700 : Hahaha Hardly. I can list many reasons not to vote GOP, their current corruption not being at the top of the list. I think they're destroying my coun
47 Post contains links ArtieFufkin : Non partisan CREWs list of most corrupt lawmakers. Note: GOP Cunningham and Ney don't make the list because their in prison or going to prison. Also D
48 AGM100 : OK this would be just the right time to do so. Not to vote for the GOP or ...why to vote for DEMS requires some thought... take your time. Hello ?? .
49 Post contains images MaverickM11 : That's the last time they were in control
50 ArtieFufkin : So let's just add this up. Out of 28 Lawmakers mentioned in the CREW report. 4 are Dems and 24 are GOP. Holy crap! That is a significant difference! H
51 Gilligan : Investigations are done based on evidence, lets hear your evidence for starting any investigation. That's evidence that has some basis in fact, not j
52 ArtieFufkin : This is just what I'm talking about. True Conservatives are out of power. Goldwater conservatives gone. They were law and order, for clean government,
53 Gilligan : and Clintonista's I heard plenty of dems trying to explain away the abuses brought to light in the early 90's which were institutional corruptions no
54 GuitrThree : This is a thread on an Airplane website. There is no "rule" that you can't use examples of truth to back up your claims, even if they aren't 100% on
55 Post contains images Falcon84 : Hey, GT, nice to see you back on here, buddy, even if you know I'll probably disagree with you about 99% of the time. I disagree. (see? ) It's more t
56 Seb146 : I have not seen anybody mention this yet: I listen to both right talk and left talk. Randi Rhodes (left) played Nancy Pelosi calling for a 10 day inve
57 Post contains images B777-700 : No, this is the time to talk about the Foley scandal, not why you should vote for Democrats. Go start another post if you want to talk about that. De
58 Post contains images Gilligan : Yes, they also said they told him they had counseled him not to have contact with the pages and he agreed. Are you telling me now that non-illegal be
59 Texdravid : Yeah, whatever, socialist-lover. How come you left out this one: 12). If you goof off during high school, don't take advantage of all the opportuniti
60 LHMARK : Hey, dickhead, my wife is one of those teachers. You paint her with that brush, I throw down. Check your easily digested generalizations, punk.
61 Texdravid : Oh, come off your "anger". Teachers who belong to these horrible unions are part and parcel of the problem as they support the horrible agenda of the
62 LHMARK : No, we won't. Obviously, the teachers in texas must have been stupid and inept, as your posts consistently demonstrate, but some people spend eleven-h
63 Texdravid : I was incredibly lucky to be born to supportive parents who thought that education was the key to success in this country. My teachers just did not m
64 Jaysit : Pity it had to be rural Texas. And Chennai. Doesn't get anymore mediocre and unimaginative than that. Sorry, just the facts.
65 Texdravid : Just another ad hominem attack by the attack hound of the beltway who has nothing better to do. I do thank you for your comments, which obviously com
66 Post contains links GuitrThree : Yes, if AirTran is using facts and figures that are true, then you should believe them. If Delta is not doing good in a particular city, while at the
67 Jaysit : Why, thank you! You get a gold star and a cookie for that. Other such random bursts of insightfulness will surely take you places.
68 Post contains images B777-700 : What was illegal about Clinton getting a BJ? That got a harsh rebuke! They hypocrisy of the right is truly ridiculous. ^ Neocon spin. No, your proble
69 Post contains images MaverickM11 : Main Entry: hyp·o·crite Pronunciation: 'hi-p&-"krit Function: noun Etymology: Middle English ypocrite, from Anglo-French, from Late Latin hypocrita
70 B777-700 : Really? How so?
71 Post contains links Jaysit : Look, at least one Republican conservative yapmeister is mad at the GOP for trying to blame the Democrats. And he's not alone. http://www.aim.org/aim_
72 Gilligan : Nothing illegal, reprehensible yes, but illegal no. No, what got the harsh rebuke was lying about it under oath in a court of law. Democrats can neve
73 FDXMECH : Foley's mistake upon disclosure was not switching parties. If the past is any indication, Pelosi would have circled the Democrat's wagons, given Foley
74 Post contains images Gilligan : That is the most insightful thing I've read in this thread, slaps self and asks why didn't I think of that?, welcome to my respected user list!
75 Post contains links and images B777-700 : And now the complete list of things the Republicans have blamed: Clinton Democrats a liberal conspiracy gays Republican gays political correctness th
76 Jaysit : Yes, indeed. Not only Democrats, but Franciscan Nuns can learn a thing or two from Republicans who are so deeply and passionately concerned about the
77 Gilligan : He was being sued for sexual harassment, it was a fair and legitimate question to asked in that case. It was Paula Jones lawyers job to show pattern,
78 Post contains images B777-700 : What does any of those have to do with lying under oath? That was about Monica. Better yet, why are we talking about this now, in 2006? You'll call i
79 Post contains links Jaysit : LOL. Oh, now I get what you Republicans got during the '90s. Black is white; up is down; lies are truth. Yeah, but this one's all yours. Like that ot
80 Post contains images Gilligan : He was not impeached for getting a blow job, he was impeached for lying about it under oath in a court of law. You just can't separate the two can yo
81 Jaysit : What opportunity? Can you read? Even the 9-11 Commission stated that there was no credible evidence that the Sudanese wished to hand over Bin Laden t
82 Post contains links Gilligan : Not to hard to figure out. Get the Saudis to say ok bring him back here, when he steps off the plane in Saudi Arabia, they hand him over to us. As mu
83 Post contains images B777-700 : ...and have the medal of freedom. Sure I can. I can also say it was entrapment, and the question shouldn't have been asked. I believe a lie is justif
84 FDXMECH : The problem with the Republican party in situations like this is well.....the Republican party. The GOP is busy stepping on its own dick on a non-iss
85 Gilligan : So Monica forced him to pull it out and her give him a blow job? Not just once but sevral times on different dates? I hate it when girls do that. It
86 Post contains images B777-700 : The polls don't support that. I disagree. I think the GOP is a lot more astute. They've just found a huge problem here that they can't blame on the D
87 Gilligan : I don't insist on anything, you keep bringing it up. Probably with a lot of help since you can't seem to understand the relationship of the SS trust
88 Post contains images B777-700 : haha yeah right. I'm the one that wants to talk Foley. You're the one that keeps going back to Clinton. Isn't what what a good neocon does? That's a
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