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Death Of The GOP Revolution  
User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 2054 times:

Not that they fulfilled ANY of the promises that Newt Gingrich set out in 1994: fiscal responsibility, national security and moral values-all of which they have failed miserably on-but that "revolution" is over, and only after 12 years it seems. Which is good news for this country.

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1543874,00.html

This is another damning article that shows, in the wake of the Foley scandal, that they were more interested in politics than in protecting these pages. And the fact they Hastart is blaming (SHOCK!) Bill Clinton for this scandal shows the depth of desperation, and pure lack of any moral backbone by the "party of family values".

It's time to clean this bunch out. Theyve done nothing but spend us into oblivion, march us into a war that shouldn't have been fought, given up any righteous claim of moral values, renigged on their term-limits promise, shut out the minority with their arrogance self-righteousness, and have given up any right to be the majority in Congress.

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User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 40066 posts, RR: 74
Reply 1, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 2051 times:

Don't write them off just yet. Never under-estimate the power of the...well..(Chavez said it best).

-The next Osama Bin Laden tape hasn't been released yet. It should be out in a few weeks.

-Diebolt still has election machines in crucial battleground states including Ohio.

-Bin Laden could somehow be 'captured' before the November 7th. election.

Therefore I wouldn't be shocked if the GOP keeps Congress.



Bring back the Concorde
User currently offlineB777-700 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 2038 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 1):

Therefore I wouldn't be shocked if the GOP keeps Congress.

I agree. As long as Karl Rove is still breathing, anything is possible. Once something breaks, wait to you see them go into full hypocrite mode.


User currently offlineSESGDL From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3489 posts, RR: 10
Reply 3, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 2018 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 1):
Don't write them off just yet. Never under-estimate the power of the...well..(Chavez said it best).

-The next Osama Bin Laden tape hasn't been released yet. It should be out in a few weeks.

-Diebolt still has election machines in crucial battleground states including Ohio.

-Bin Laden could somehow be 'captured' before the November 7th. election.

Therefore I wouldn't be shocked if the GOP keeps Congress.

Absolutely true. It's hard to have fairness when there are crooks running the country. Anything is possible.

Jeremy


User currently offlineSpeedbird747BA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 1997 times:

It wont happen. the GOP is going to keep majority in the house and senate.

Cheers,
Kyle


User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 1994 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 1):



Quoting B777-700 (Reply 2):



Quoting SESGDL (Reply 3):

As far as keeping control of Congress, you have a point. I don't put anything by Bush, Cheney, Rove, etc. I think they'd try to stage something if they thought it would keep Congress for them.

However, even if they do keep both houses-and I don't think they'll keep the House now, the Revolution IS over.

In fact, it could be almost the best thing in the world for the Dems if the GOP keeps slim control of the Congress-if they keep going as they are, in two years, the GOP would lose in a landslide-House, Senate, Presidency.

Either way, what Gingrich tried to start over a decade ago, is dead. It was killed because the GOP thought it more important to pay back their special interests, then to help the American people.


User currently offlineAllstarflyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 1979 times:

Quoting Falcon84 (Thread starter):
It's time to clean this bunch out

Agreed.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 1):
Therefore I wouldn't be shocked if the GOP keeps Congress.



Quoting B777-700 (Reply 2):
As long as Karl Rove is still breathing, anything is possible.



Quoting SESGDL (Reply 3):
Anything is possible.

That could happen, too. Obviously (as I keep saying), both parties are inherently corrupt. But, as identified with this title (and recent ones listed below), Falcon84 is up to his predictable left-wing reactionary rants.


GOP Trying To Pull Dems Into Foley Scandal
http://www.airliners.net/discussions/non_aviation/read.main/1394216/
Snapshot: Foley Hurting GOP, Bush Down To 36%
http://www.airliners.net/discussions/non_aviation/read.main/1393768/

I guess all's fair, though, as Slider or Gilligan (or some other right-wing Anutter) does the same from the right.

-R


User currently offlineMKEdude From South Korea, joined May 2005, 1011 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 1975 times:

The armor is off now, even some conservatives recognize how corrupt the Republicans have become, and that it is time for a change. 12 years of a Republican-dominated congress, and six years of defacto one-party rule have had a devastating effect on this country.

And what of our "opposition"? Their hands are not clean as they have allowed this to go on through their utter incompetence. Say what you want about voter irregularities in Florida, but the fact is Al Gore blew that election, and John Kerry blew the election after that. There is no organization on the face of this planet that is more adept at snatching defeat from the jaws of victory than the Democratic party.

The strategy of being GOP lite has not worked. As Howard Dean said "Given the choice between a fake Republican and a real one, voters will choose the real one every time". If Democrats want to become a majority party they have to act like one. Develop comprehensive, clear-cut strategies on Iraq, health care, money in politics, corporate welfare, the environment and so on. Don't just try to act like Republicans and hope the voting public doesn't notice.

All this aside I am cautiously optimistic about November. It is hard to surf the plethora of liberal blogs and not drink the kool-aid. But nobody ever lost any money overestimating the Democratic party's ablity to screw itself.



"You can't be a real country unless you have a beer and an airline." Frank Zappa
User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks ago) and read 1955 times:

Quoting Allstarflyer (Reply 6):
That could happen, too. Obviously (as I keep saying), both parties are inherently corrupt. But, as identified with this title (and recent ones listed below), Falcon84 is up to his predictable left-wing reactionary rants.

You sound just like Hastert and the rest of the GOP. Trying to change the subject. As for "reactionary rants", don't make me start comparing you with Texdravid. That's some low company. Pointing out fact isn't "reactionary" in any way, shape or form.


User currently offlineGQfluffy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 1936 times:

Quoting Superfly (Reply 1):
-Diebolt still has election machines in crucial battleground states including Ohio.

Well, fluffy here votes moderate, and even if I lean right on some issues and left on some others, if you want to point fingers, you better include Chicago.

Remember to vote early and vote often...

There was only one way JFK got into office...


User currently offlineAllstarflyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 1928 times:

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 8):
You sound just like Hastert and the rest of the GOP. Trying to change the subject. As for "reactionary rants", don't make me start comparing you with Texdravid. That's some low company. Pointing out fact isn't "reactionary" in any way, shape or form.

Dude, they all try to change the subject when the spotlight is uncomfortable. You're talking to an Independent, not a Republican. And I don't know who Texdravid is, other than he is a member on this site. The way I remember it, you used to take up the cause for the lefties and democrats (and the plurality of links started by you that I provided at the bottom was the reason I made mention of the word "reactionary"). And where's the low blow? So you take up liberal causes or, perhaps, more against right-wing politicians. I mostly get a little laugh out of it.

Quoting Allstarflyer (Reply 6):
Quoting Falcon84 (Thread starter):
It's time to clean this bunch out

Agreed.



Quoting Allstarflyer (Reply 6):
Obviously (as I keep saying), both parties are inherently corrupt.



Quoting Allstarflyer (Reply 6):
I guess all's fair, though, as Slider or Gilligan (or some other right-wing Anutter) does the same from the right.

After these other things I mentioned, may I safely guess that Texdravid is as politically independent as I am?

But, in all fairness, so as not to change the subject, the "GOP Revolution" (if you're making reference to the congressmen who have been prominent since the "Contract With America") is, more or less, dead, for reasons to which you alluded.

Edited for content.

-R

[Edited 2006-10-09 00:42:50]

User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1910 times:

Quoting Allstarflyer (Reply 10):
After these other things I mentioned, may I safely guess that Texdravid is as politically independent as I am?

Texdravid is about as politically independent as Ann Coulter is. In other words, he's way out there.


User currently offlineItsjustme From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 2808 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1901 times:

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 5):
I don't put anything by Bush, Cheney, Rove, etc. I think they'd try to stage something if they thought it would keep Congress for them.

Absolutely correct. The GOP is in dire straits. Don't be surprised if, in the next few weeks, cell phone chatter is intercepted and our threat level is bumped up.


User currently offlineAllstarflyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1899 times:

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 11):
Texdravid is about as politically independent as Ann Coulter is. In other words, he's way out there.

There's not much to do about folks like that, then, except shout them down from the whole chorus or dismiss them.

Honestly, when I first saw Ann Coulter, I thought she was pretty decent-looking until I got to know more of the person within. And those Amazon river canoes extending from her wrists are just scary.  scared 

-R


User currently offlineHalcyon From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1877 times:

Quoting MKEdude (Reply 7):
The armor is off now, even some conservatives recognize how corrupt the Republicans have become, and that it is time for a change. 12 years of a Republican-dominated congress, and six years of defacto one-party rule have had a devastating effect on this country.

Sadly, I find that most politicians suck. Do you think that the party makes a difference? I really don't. They almost all get to power through lies and deception, some with more "stlye" than others (Bill Clinton-Blech!), but it all boild down to a loss of connecton with the people they are supposed to represent.

Does anyone else agree wiht my thoughts, or am I just alienated for some unknown reason?


User currently offlineDuff44 From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 1723 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1866 times:

Quoting Halcyon (Reply 14):

Sadly, I find that most politicians suck. Do you think that the party makes a difference? I really don't. They almost all get to power through lies and deception, some with more "stlye" than others (Bill Clinton-Blech!), but it all boild down to a loss of connecton with the people they are supposed to represent.

Does anyone else agree wiht my thoughts, or am I just alienated for some unknown reason?

You're wrong.... all politicians suck.  yes 

Here's my alienation example:
I am 'lucky'  vomit  enough to live in Connecticut, subject to the gory Joe Lieberman/Ned Lamont race. Lamont's whole raison d'etre is to criticize Lieberman's support of the Iraq war.
Now I thought invading Iraq was a stupid idea, for which I feel betrayed on by Lieberman supporting it.
On the other hand, Lamont has only criticized the war, and is trying to get elected by saying "let's punish Lieberman". What the hell does this accomplish? He has absolutely zero realistic plans on how to wrap up the Iraq war, which in my eyes does no good resolving the issue. He's a candidate that raises a good question, but with no real answer I cannot reward that.

I feel alienated in that one candidate supports something I don't approve of, and the other has zero plans to fix it.



I'll rassle ya for a bowl of bacon!
User currently offlineAndesSMF From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1862 times:

You all sound like a bunch of Skidmarks remembering the 'good ol' days' when things were so much better.

I have always been a history, I absolutely LOVE history. Ditto politics. The one thing that stands in my mind thru the last 6 years, is how history repeats itself. We can all complain all we want, and nothing changes, since politics is after all human nature.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 1):
Never under-estimate the power of the...well..(

Remember how all those GOPers sounded like when they accussed Clinton of (fill in blank)? Did you think they sounded a little silly? Dont imitate them.

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 5):
the Revolution IS over.

The only time I remember that word being used was 94. And Newt left many years ago.

Quoting MKEdude (Reply 7):
even some conservatives recognize how corrupt the Republicans have become

However you want to see, the fact is that there has not been any administration scandal that has panned out into something further. There have been many accussations thrown about, but none that I see have stuck.

Quoting Itsjustme (Reply 12):
The GOP is in dire straits

I should go back into the news archives and find out how many times that has been said since 1994. The Democrats have to stop assuming that the GOP is in dire straits, and act like a party that has plenty to offer. Dems have assumed that since the GOP is in such dire straits that the voters would select them by default. This has obviously not happened.

Quoting Halcyon (Reply 14):
but it all boild down to a loss of connecton with the people they are supposed to represent.

Had this conversation some months back, where I pointed out that many of the 'special interests' are people just like you and me. As soon as someone even utters that phrase, I can barely take them seriously. 'Special Interests' range from unions, teachers, nurses, retired people, police, firefighters, etc. That phrase is simply used as a general word for those groups you dont like, whichever party you belong to.


User currently offlineHalcyon From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 1847 times:

Quoting Duff44 (Reply 15):
You're wrong.... all politicians suck.

Well, right now I think I might just agree with you. Big grin Not much happening with our "leadership," that's for sure.

Quoting Duff44 (Reply 15):

I feel alienated in that one candidate supports something I don't approve of, and the other has zero plans to fix it.

This is the basic thing. I tend to be more conservative for whatever reason, I suppose it's just inherent, but there are no good leaders, no people I can whole-heartedly support. On the other hand, I feel sorry for more liberal people too, because we all seem to lack a common thing...someone who we can actually be proud of, someone who listens to us, someone who is not doing the job for the position, money, fame, or power, but for a feeling of duty and responsibility. None of us seem to have a person who actually speaks from the heart and does what he believes is, and it's sad, because I see plenty of people like that every day, be they Republican, Democrat, or some other. I sometimes wonder how we've gone wrong, and I really do not know how to fix such a problem.

Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 16):
As soon as someone even utters that phrase, I can barely take them seriously. 'Special Interests' range from unions, teachers, nurses, retired people, police, firefighters, etc. That phrase is simply used as a general word for those groups you dont like, whichever party you belong to.

You're right. Recently it seems that all parties are just using buzzwords to get what they want. It's sick and twisted. The crap floats to the top, and people don't want to make a stink...hmmm..I can go on about this... I had not thought about it this way, but I've been noticing that people these days do not like to take responsibility for their actions, and also people seem unable to actually make a stand, be it because they got screwed over on a grade at college or because their candidate is a liar.

If this is a large part of the problem, we may indeed have no chance or restoring things to a semi-decent state.

Thanks for your thoughts,
Lucas


User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 1846 times:

Quoting Falcon84 (Thread starter):
It's time to clean this bunch out.

I agree.

The problem is what to replace them with. The Democrats? That would be like replacing the rats with cockroaches.


User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 1844 times:

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 18):
The problem is what to replace them with. The Democrats? That would be like replacing the rats with cockroaches.

Well, cockroaches are better than the ticks that currently run the joint, CFalk.

I'll take the Dems over these arrogant assholes any day of the week.


User currently offlineAGM100 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 5407 posts, RR: 17
Reply 20, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 1836 times:

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 18):
The problem is what to replace them with. The Democrats? That would be like replacing the rats with cockroaches.

Yes , Rats that dont believe that US is the "problem with the world". Rats that are just crazy enough to come kick you hind end if you support terror.

Rats that believe that Judges should not legislate from the bench .. Rats that are rebuilding our military. Not to mention believe lower taxes spur economic growth. I am not all that happy with my party right now either , but I do see that their are shared core values within them still. I can not say that for the DEMS right now, I wish I could I would vote for them in a minute.


Just VOTE ... Thats it



You dig the hole .. I fill the hole . 100% employment !
User currently offlineN174UA From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 994 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 1807 times:

Quoting Duff44 (Reply 15):
I feel alienated in that one candidate supports something I don't approve of, and the other has zero plans to fix it.

You can apply that to any federal, state, or local candidate. The local candidate though has the best chance of accomplishing something, considering a much smaller audience and a lot more pressure to deliver results.
Start on the local level and if successful, spread the word. Trying to do anything on a national level anywhere is futile. Hell, look at Italy...

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 18):
The problem is what to replace them with. The Democrats? That would be like replacing the rats with cockroaches

Or as I like to say: would I rather drown or burn to death?

Quoting AGM100 (Reply 20):
Just VOTE ... Thats it

Vote for who, exactly? 6 of one, half dozen of the other. The opposite of Congress is Progress, as says the bumper sticker...

Don't steal...the government hates competition...

If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Unless you're the government, then keep fixing it until it IS broken!


User currently offlineAndesSMF From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 1794 times:

Quoting N174UA (Reply 21):

Vote for who, exactly? 6 of one, half dozen of the other

Now we are communicating! Imagine, create a beautiful government gridlock, where hardly anything can be accomplished, therefore:

Quoting N174UA (Reply 21):
Unless you're the government, then keep fixing it until it IS broken!

Nothing gets broken!

p.s. I am not joking.


User currently offlineB777-700 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 1781 times:

Quoting AGM100 (Reply 20):
Yes , Rats that dont believe that US is the "problem with the world". Rats that are just crazy enough to come kick you hind end if you support terror.

Rats that believe that Judges should not legislate from the bench .. Rats that are rebuilding our military. Not to mention believe lower taxes spur economic growth. I am not all that happy with my party right now either , but I do see that their are shared core values within them still. I can not say that for the DEMS right now, I wish I could I would vote for them in a minute.

I, for one, am happy you can't.  Yeah sure


User currently offlineAGM100 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 5407 posts, RR: 17
Reply 24, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 1759 times:

Quoting B777-700 (Reply 23):
I, for one, am happy you can't

HUHHH ?


All I am saying is that their are still individuals within the GOP that represent some of the things I think are important. Is the party perfect ..NO.. Is it everything we want it to be .. NO. But I still vote for the party that has more in common with my views. Especially in my state , I have republican candidates that I do think are good representives therfore I vote for them.

What do you suggest ,, vote against them just to throw the bum's out ? This IMO is irresponsible and childish.



You dig the hole .. I fill the hole . 100% employment !
25 Cfalk : That's been the entire democratic party strategy for the past several years. It didn't work in 2004. Will it work in 2006? Dunno, but I wish they wou
26 DeltaDC9 : Theres your problem, you think there actually is a difference!
27 AGM100 : If their is no difference then why do the left wingers hate them so much ? In reality the DEMS hate them because the GOP does not always react with a
28 Cfalk : I agree entirely. However the Dems have no desire to address those issues either. The open-border supporters are mostly in the Democratic camp, and t
29 AGM100 : The DEMS not only will not piss them off , IMO they will encourage more immigrants. (illegal) The DEMS know for them to gain more power they must swe
30 B777-700 : There is. The Democratic party reflects his beliefs a lot more than the GOP. THAT'S the difference. What is so hard to understand about that?
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