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Train Graffitti Revisited  
User currently offlineMatt D From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 9502 posts, RR: 47
Posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1218 times:

There are some Liberal apologists out there who try and dismiss graffitti as an "urban artform indicative of social repression" or some bullshit along those lines.

I say that graffitti is vandalism and trespassing. Nothing more, nothing less.

Sean Penns character in the movie "Colors" had the right idea: take the SOB and discharge the contents of his own spray paint can in his face.

Take a look at these two train pictures and tell me if you don't agree.

http://x-2000r.angelcities.com/images/trainstuff/Irwin4.JPG


THIS is what the above train SHOULD look like (never mind the rust, but look at the paint job. You get the idea):
http://x-2000r.angelcities.com/images/trainstuff/SF1.JPG

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User currently offlineJetsGo From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 3080 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1211 times:

Trespassing is trespassing. Vandalism is vandalism.

"urban artform indicative of social repression" what the fuck is that?? Graffitti is a crime people. It does not matter if it is pretty or what not. Those few liberals disgust me.


Chris



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User currently offlineMatt D From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 9502 posts, RR: 47
Reply 2, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 1195 times:

Well you you know it's bullshit and I know it's bullshit. But believe me, there are people out there who defend it as some kind of art form And should not only be protected, but in some instances, actually condoned. I once read some report (I wish I could find it) that said something to the effect of graffitti (as it pertains to Mexicans/Latinos doing it) as some kind of descendant of ancient Mayan/Incan/Aztec cave markings. It's something in the genes.

Really.

[Edited 2006-10-09 01:46:06]

User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11611 posts, RR: 60
Reply 3, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 1187 times:

Quoting Matt D (Thread starter):
Take a look at these two train pictures and tell me if you don't agree

I agree with you when looking at those pictures. However, I think there is a time and a place for graffiti in the community, namely as I described in the last thread the projects run in the UK to give graffiti artists an appraised outlet for their skill. And yes, after looking at the pictures in the previous thread, as well as some of the stuff that I see in cities here in the UK it is an amazing skill.

Dan Smile



...love is just a camouflage for what resembles rage again...
User currently offlineMatt D From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 9502 posts, RR: 47
Reply 4, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 1184 times:

it is an amazing skill.

You see what I mean?

Skill or no fucking skill. Unauthorized tagging on private property (freeway signs, walls, trains, etc.) is VANDALISM.

Period.

I don't care if Pedro and Julio can recreate the inside of the Sistine Chapel with a few cans of Krylon on the freeway sound walls. It's STILL a crime. And should be punishable by jail time, fines, or at least a can of paint sprayed across the face. Or better yet, all three.


User currently offlineAloges From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 8685 posts, RR: 43
Reply 5, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 1171 times:

Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 3):
I think there is a time and a place for graffiti in the community

Exactly. The city has declared the walls of a short underpass quite close to my building "free for graffiti". And what can I say, now that the sprayers can take their time, their "paintings" are much, much nicer to look at. I'd consider those a form of art.

Then there's one wall I discovered just yesterday, it's at the botanical garden of my uni and is covered by one large (sanctioned, obviously) graffiti painting which makes the formerly grey wall look much better. That one's a work of art as well.

I even see the point some sprayers may have - which is uglier, a large boring grey wall or a large wall covered in a painting somebody actually put an effort into? I'll go for the painting IF it's well done.

However, I don't have any respect for those sprayers who "tag" foreign property with thousands and thousands of reiterations of their "artist" names, just for the sake of being a nuisance to others. Really, I don't care if "Zebo" or "Flix" was there! I have no more respect for those than I have for a dog peeing on a tree marking its territory.



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User currently offlineRJ111 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 1098 times:

Quoting Matt D (Reply 2):
Well you you know it's bullshit and I know it's bullshit. But believe me, there are people out there who defend it as some kind of art form

These people are known as hippies.


User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 1095 times:

So vandalism is a genetic thing? What racist nonsense.

User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11611 posts, RR: 60
Reply 8, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 1069 times:

Quoting Matt D (Reply 4):
Skill or no fucking skill. Unauthorized tagging on private property (freeway signs, walls, trains, etc.) is VANDALISM.

I wasn't disputing this. In some situations it can be very frightening, for instance the underpasses in a city when full of gang graffiti can scare the sh1t out of me late at night. Jail though is not necessarily going to be the answer, giving the kids something else to do is, something that is going to catch their inspiration and occupy their time so they don't use it to be destructive. Do you have schemes in the US to allow graffiti in controlled areas?

Dan Smile



...love is just a camouflage for what resembles rage again...
User currently offlineMatt D From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 9502 posts, RR: 47
Reply 9, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 1034 times:

Jail though is not necessarily going to be the answer

I say it should be. There needs to be some kind of deterrent.

giving the kids something else to do is, something that is going to catch their inspiration and occupy their time so they don't use it to be destructive.

Excuse me, but isn't that the PARENTS job and problem to worry about?

And if the kids "don't know any better" because of so-called "bad" parenting, then maybe you can explain to me why the taggers always need to act under cover of darkness or why they run when approached.

Don't know right from wrong.

Like f*** they don't.

If the parents can't or won't teach them better, well then...these people still know right from wrong....throw the weight of the world at them when they get caught.


User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11611 posts, RR: 60
Reply 10, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 1019 times:

Forgive me for being unusuall liberal here,

Quoting Matt D (Reply 9):
I say it should be. There needs to be some kind of deterrent.

No I don't think it should be in all cases, for a repeat offender then yes, but for somebody who has been caught for the first time then chucking them in jail is going to do them no good at all. Yes it might scare the shit out of them to start with, but if they are in there then they will be socialising with criminals who have done more than just a bit of spray painting, who knows what they will end up doing and knowing when they then come out. It would be far more productive if they were given a bucket and a scrubbing brush and told that they have to clean it all off.

Quoting Matt D (Reply 9):
Excuse me, but isn't that the PARENTS job and problem to worry about?

Did your parents look after you night and day and know where you were 100% of the time? I mean come on, kids want to be out and about away from their parents. What they need is a way to spend this time without just hanging about causing trouble like spraying graffiti. Schemes like this do work, they have been very successful here. Bad parenting may be part of it, but then just blaming the parents isn't going to get you any less graffiti is it?

Dan Smile



...love is just a camouflage for what resembles rage again...
User currently offlineEWS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 1009 times:

Ill try and get a few photo's of some of the hoppers I Haul, some of them are rather impressive, however.. i'd like to meet the kids who designed this:



Put em' Up Lee!  box 

Lew


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