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N Korea Conducted A Nuclear Test?  
User currently offlineDtwclipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 4480 times:

A South Korean government official says North Korea appears to have conducted a nuclear test, South Korea's Yonhap news agency reports


CNN.COM

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User currently offlineAGM100 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 5407 posts, RR: 16
Reply 1, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 4485 times:

Wow ... this should be interesting ....


http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,218699,00.html



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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29795 posts, RR: 58
Reply 2, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 4468 times:

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/asiapc...8/korea.nuclear.test.ap/index.html

Well, now any fake pretense of their program being for peacefull purposes is gone if this is true.

But I do wonder what everybody else has to say, There should be seismic evidence of the test.



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User currently offlineLowrider From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 3220 posts, RR: 10
Reply 3, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 4446 times:

Between N Korea and Iran, things are going to get pretty busy.


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User currently offlineKPDX From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 2741 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 4447 times:

Ohhh boy......  Sad

KPDX



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User currently offlineKalakaua From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1516 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 4447 times:

Quoting L-188 (Reply 2):

But I do wonder what everybody else has to say, There should be seismic evidence of the test.

US Geological Survey has not detected seismic activity.



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User currently offlineUsnseallt82 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 4891 posts, RR: 52
Reply 6, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 4423 times:

Quoting Dtwclipper (Thread starter):
N Korea Conducted A Nuclear Test?

If this is true, then things are going to get busy pretty quick.

The news networks are reporting it, but no one's offering any proof other than N. Korea stated that they did it.



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User currently offlineKalakaua From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1516 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 4422 times:

Nuclear weapons, apparently, brings happiness to North Korea?  confused 


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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29795 posts, RR: 58
Reply 8, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 4408 times:

Quoting Kalakaua (Reply 5):
US Geological Survey has not detected seismic activity.

Which brings up the possibilty that either

1. Their design tanked.
2. They are lying about the test.

Seismic monitoring is how the world new the Indians and Pakistani's had gone off the deep end a few years back and tested, and it is also why the Indians tested three weapons at once, to disguise the actual yeild.



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User currently offlineUsnseallt82 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 4891 posts, RR: 52
Reply 9, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 4390 times:

Quoting L-188 (Reply 8):
Seismic monitoring is how the world new the Indians and Pakistani's had gone off the deep end a few years back and tested

This is why you don't see our intelligence guys going apeshit right now. Unless there's some remote detection station that hasn't reported in yet, which I highly doubt, I'm almost positive that this is a bluff or either a smaller version of the truth.

If they actually tested a nuclear device of the size they claimed they were going to test, it would have set off detectors all over eastern Asia.



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User currently offlineLuisde8cd From Pitcairn Islands, joined Aug 2004, 2571 posts, RR: 31
Reply 10, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 4368 times:

This appears to be real...

"South Korea's presidential Blue House said a tremor had been detected in North Korea on Monday.

It said South Korea's Institute of Geoscience and Mineral Resources had detected a tremor of a magnitude 3.58 to 3.7 at 0135 GMT."

http://today.reuters.com/news/articl...odLoc=Home-C1-TopStories-newsOne-2

Saludos desde Caracas,
Luis


User currently offlineLnglive1011yyz From Canada, joined Oct 2003, 1608 posts, RR: 15
Reply 11, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 4367 times:

lets wait before we jump to conclusions..

they'll have to do some seismic testing, as well as radiation sniffing to find out if anything really happened..

Likely more rhetoric and bullcrap coming from a corrupt gov't.

1011yyz



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User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 4336 times:

Apparently true, according to CNN.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/asiapc...8/korea.nuclear.test.ap/index.html

This changes the equation. Now, you take them aside, and you tell them: you tested one, we know you have others. If you use them, or even threaten to use them on Russia, China, Japan, the ROK, Taiwan, us-ANYONE, you will be annihilated.

No equivocation at all.


User currently offlineKalakaua From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1516 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 4329 times:

wow.... This is starting to freak me out.

[Edited 2006-10-09 05:45:22]


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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29795 posts, RR: 58
Reply 14, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 4329 times:

Quoting Luisde8cd (Reply 10):
It said South Korea's Institute of Geoscience and Mineral Resources had detected a tremor of a magnitude 3.58 to 3.7 at 0135 GMT."

I have to agree, from what I understand Nuclear Blasts cause pretty specific waveforms in the soil.



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User currently offlineKalakaua From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1516 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 4329 times:

China got a 20 minute warning.


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User currently offlineSingapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13742 posts, RR: 19
Reply 16, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 4306 times:

If only the U.S. had more soldiers than we'd be rid of this North Korea trouble now (sentence may be too simplistic).

Anyway, who knows. The Korean Central News Agency or whatever is a very bland organisation and probably lies all the time.

Wouldn't you have noticed some seismic activity?



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User currently offlineKalakaua From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1516 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 4269 times:

North Korea has a history of responding to pressure with more pressure.


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User currently offlineKPDX From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 2741 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 4264 times:


 rotfl  Sorry, I had to.  Wink


KPDX  Smile



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User currently offlineKalakaua From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1516 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 4234 times:

The US is confirming this test. N. Korea did not get what it have wanted (less than 400kilotons), though.


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User currently offlineFlyUSCG From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 656 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 4228 times:

Quoting Singapore_Air (Reply 16):
If only the U.S. had more soldiers than we'd be rid of this North Korea trouble now (sentence may be too simplistic).

We have enough troops to fight a war with them. How? Because we would be fighting along side S. Korea and Japan (fighting Korea DOES fall under their realm of self-defense), and most likely other European nations. Just between Japan, the south, and ourselves we will be able to beat N. Korea.



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User currently offlineB757300 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 4114 posts, RR: 23
Reply 21, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 4216 times:

Quoting Kalakaua (Reply 19):
The US is confirming this test. N. Korea did not get what it have wanted (less than 400kilotons), though.

400kt is pretty high for a first generation nuke. Few pure fission bombs have ever yielded that high (U.S. Mark-18 design was 500kt) but most bombs in that range are thermonuclear.

It is possible what happened is they tired to fire off a thermonuclear device and only the primary worked while the second stage fizzled.



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User currently offlineArmitageShanks From UK - England, joined Dec 2003, 3620 posts, RR: 15
Reply 22, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 4184 times:

Quoting Kalakaua (Reply 19):
The US is confirming this test. N. Korea did not get what it have wanted (less than 400kilotons), though

That is a massive yield, especially for such a "new" nuclear power. This makes me think they had help from somewhere else.

Most of the USA's weapons are in this power range btw.


User currently offlineArmitageShanks From UK - England, joined Dec 2003, 3620 posts, RR: 15
Reply 23, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 4170 times:

Quoting B757300 (Reply 21):
It is possible what happened is they tired to fire off a thermonuclear device and only the primary worked while the second stage fizzled.

If they had the technology to create such a yield I doubt they would have failed in the second or third stage of the bomb.

Maybe because they have limited amounts of material at the moment explains it? Anyway, 400 kilotons would amount to 25 or so Hiroshimas.

Quoting B757300 (Reply 21):
Few pure fission bombs have ever yielded that high (U.S. Mark-18 design was 500kt) but most bombs in that range are thermonuclear.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't we accomplish a few mega-ton explosions with the pure urinaium "gun" type tests? Or maybe that was with plutonium gun types?

[Edited 2006-10-09 06:20:56]

User currently offlineB757300 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 4114 posts, RR: 23
Reply 24, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 4161 times:

I'm guessing that the "400kt goal" is nothing but B.S.

But as a side note, the U.S. had tests were the second stage failed and only the primary went BOOM.

Edit: These were U.S. thermonuclear tests that fizzled.

Plumbob-Charleston, Hardtack-Yellowwood, Dominic-Tanana, Dominic-Petit, Dominic-Androscoggin, and Dominic-Bumping.

[Edited 2006-10-09 06:21:51]


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25 Post contains links Solarix : Link to USGS site showing 4.2 in North Korea http://earthquake.usgs.gov/eqcenter/recenteqsww/Quakes/ustqab.php
26 Post contains images Blrsea : China proliferated to Pakistan, and Pakistan in turn proliferated to North Korean, Iran and Libya. Pakistan exchanged nuclear tech for missiles long t
27 Post contains links and images AsstChiefMark : The test is reported to have occurred at 01:36 GMT. Nothing shows on the Shemya, Alaska seismogram. Here's where Shemya is located. [Edited 2006-10-09
28 Post contains links and images B757300 : http://earthquake.usgs.gov/eqcenter/recenteqsww/Maps/10/130_40.php http://earthquake.usgs.gov/eqcenter/recenteqsww/Quakes/ustqab.php
29 Rsmith6621a : So Much For Diplomacy...Some Administration Dont know how to conduct it nor care to even try.....Someone 4 years ago called Kim the part of the axis o
30 B757300 : I was waiting for someone to come in here and start the Bush bashing. Figures you'd pop for the first time in ages to do this. In reality you can blam
31 Post contains links ArmitageShanks : On a side note: Can you explain exactly what "critical mass" means? I've been reading up on it for the past few weeks but I can't wrap my head around
32 AsstChiefMark : I wonder if it was just an earthquake. Mark
33 Post contains links BladeLWS : Nope, its for real. The US has confirmed. The USAF most likely had a Constant Pheonix airborne at the time and registered it. http://en.wikipedia.org
34 B757300 : No, nuclear detonations create a unique seismic signal totally different from an earthquake. The United States, under the Vela Uniform program, attem
35 Post contains links and images AndesSMF : A little history: 1992: In May, for the first time, North Korea allows a team from the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), then headed by Hans
36 Post contains images UH60FtRucker : You've obviously never been to South Korea. A war would be a freakin blood bath. But hey... if you're so confident, why aren't you volunteering to be
37 Post contains links and images AsstChiefMark : Some more seismographic data to ponder. Data from station YSS (Yuzhno Sakhalinsk, Russia)
38 Centrair : Really? There are barely enough to cover Afghanistan and Iraq. To fight a war with the DPRK...a very well trained and brainwashed army, the US would
39 ANCFlyer : This does put a whole new perspective on things. Anyone thinking Kim isn't a complete crackpot, and thinking he wouldn't do this musta been smoking he
40 Post contains links and images Bravo45 : BBC Reporting the N Koreans are claiming it: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/6032525.stm This was out of the blue, wonder how that changes wha
41 Post contains links L-188 : http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,218699,00.html Of course it is Foxnews so it probably isn't True the US confirmed. Also right now they are looking
42 Post contains links and images Blrsea : You really need to know more about your own country. I am getting tired of having to educate you everytime. Thats the reason I mentioned Google in my
43 B757300 : Hiroshima was around 12.5 kilotons. Nagasaki was roughly 21 kilotons similar to Trinity.
44 MD11Engineer : The problem is the normal population of North Korea, who are deprived of all outside information (even radios and TV sets in North Korea are factory
45 Post contains images AsstChiefMark : Somehow something doesn't quite add up. There are parts missing in this atomic puzzle. For one thing, there should have been a bigger seismic bang...
46 BHMBAGLOCK : Unless the regime in NK changes quickly or Lil Kim suddenly decides to follow Gaddafi's example and massively pull back from earlier idiocy, the Japa
47 ManuCH : Thanks for that, very interesting. -Manuel
48 Osiris30 : Don't let it. The Chinese will deal with North Korea in very short order. The entire reason the rest of the world has been more or less ignoring the
49 ScarletHarlot : Kim Jong Il is a f**king idiot. Pursuing an insane nuclear program while his people starve? What kind of great leader is he? He's a crackpot pure and
50 AsstChiefMark : He's simply his father's son. The result of someone born and raised to be the future leader of North Korea. He's a Marxist layer cake with Mao-flavor
51 Post contains links and images Bravo45 : Quoting Blrsea (Reply 42): What is new to you is old news for regular pakistan watchers ?? Well there is only so much of the stuff out there you can p
52 Post contains images VHVXB : This we already know but you couldn't have said it any better
53 Post contains images Blrsea : I was sticking to the topic, till u came in and started questioning facts
54 Bravo45 : I have modified my last post and I think I owe an apology. (for being off topic, though you can claim to be on topic, not about questioning your 'fac
55 Post contains links and images Blrsea : accepted. peace North Korea has missiles with ranges to target its immediate neighbours, like No-Dong etc which are around 1300-1500km range. This wa
56 L-188 : Here is another possiblity that I wonder about-It wasn't nuclear Seriously, prior to popping Trinity the US Built a wood platform on the edge of the
57 YWG : Don't be surprised if you see some military action over there in the next few days. The thing with the military is they're always a few steps ahead o
58 EA CO AS : Not that CNN is always accurate, but they're saying the yield - as reported by the South Koreans - was measured at 550 TONS of TNT. Wouldn't that make
59 FlyUSCG : I never said it wouldn't be. And I already have my own plans for going into the military which will begin next year after I graduate from college. So
60 Post contains images AsstChiefMark : Would you believe I was thinking of that exact scene in the Trinity video, with those wooden boxes of TNT, when I saw this seismic data? Magnitude 4.
61 L-188 : YES!!! Poor Kim. First as pointed out by KPDX in reply 18---he is so lonely. and now he apparently has a premature detonation problem.
62 L-188 : That depth seems a bit shallow too.
63 Bravo45 : Thanks for the accepting and the link. I mean to ask their immediate capability to put a nuclear war head on their missles. I am wondering are they a
64 Post contains images AsstChiefMark : For reference, here's a 0.50 kiloton blast. Mark
65 L-188 : I pulled this from CNN: On Monday, members of the U.N. Security Council are expected to select South Korean Foreign Minister Ban Ki-moon to succeed Ko
66 AndesSMF : Ah, C'mon! You know what they will do! They will issue 'very very strongly worded' condemnations. (Sounds like a joke, but probably true) I am much m
67 Post contains images L-188 : Another shot of that Sailor Hat conventional Test. China is going to be an interesting case, since they are a lot closer to the west these days then t
68 VHVXB : True, especially when China continuously condemns any testing of it weapons. Does anyone know if DPRK has any ties with Iran?
69 AsstChiefMark : China will be able to discipline North Korea on its own. Like a crazed mother screaming and jerking on the arm of a toddler that's acting up in a groc
70 MCIGuy : There are already two B-2's on detatchment at Andersen in Guam. I'm sure Kim is well aware of that. My concern isn't his starting a nuclear conflict
71 Windshear : I don't know if any of you noticed, but on CNN's text pages, there was a headline yesterday that said something like: "NK to stop tests if US would ho
72 Post contains images Clogman : Denmark??
73 LTBEWR : I suspect that by lunchtime in Washington DC, initial reactions and actions will be announced by Bush and the USA government. I suspect the Air Forces
74 ANCFlyer : What is there to be abused? Failed test or otherwise, North Korea - apparently - tested a nuclear explosive. That's pretty cut and dried my friend .
75 MD11Engineer : One more thing: If NK gets away with this, it will be an example for every tin pot dictator in the world that he can exploit his people at will and b
76 HAWK21M : Now what.Any plans on forcing a Discontuination of their N.Programme or risk a Nuclear buildup in the region. regds MEL
77 Joni : In other words, they're a nuclear power like the other ones. It's not likely NK was going after 400kt, which would likely be a thermonuclear device.
78 ANCFlyer : I disagree . . . there are dozens of options . . . problem is, most of them are highly unpopular or highly improbable . . . It's simply a matter of w
79 Joni : Well AFAIK NK is already the subject of considerable economic sanctions, so tightening them up more isn't going to make much of a difference. Politic
80 Post contains images ANCFlyer : From a failed .55kt test? Not likely. You're obviously kidding . . . if not you're naive . . . No one messes with North Korea, no one has messed with
81 Miamiair : Gun type weapons are very inefficient. No way a gun type will drive Mt level detonation. The physical limit for a fission weapon is in the 400-500Kt
82 HAWK21M : Apart from NK,Cuba & China.Any other communist states. regds MEL
83 VHVXB : You can add Laos and Vietnam to that list
84 Post contains images Singapore_Air : "The field of scientific research in the DPRK (North Korea) successfully conducted an underground nuclear test under secure conditions on October 9,
85 Post contains images Bcngro : Oh boy, this is scary... From what I have read N.Korea is capable of producing long-range ballistic missiles which could hit a target at 6000km. If th
86 Dtwclipper : Wow, the Euro-Appeasers have landed! Truly pathetic. My "ex" worked for UNDP in Pyongyang in the 1990's and from his descriptions of PRNK it is a hum
87 Post contains images Miamiair : Open your eyes, NK's raving mad man will sell those things to the highest bidder, and we all know who wants them. Setting one of those off anywhere o
88 Joni : AFAIK the yield was limited to 57Mt because the rest of the yield to 100Mt would have been from the last fission stage (which was omitted) and would
89 Dtwclipper : You are still defending them...amazing. I read your post, thank you very much. It's funny, when you Euros get caught in your leftist whining, you bla
90 Post contains images Usnseallt82 : He's not the only one out there....and I sure as hell don't like your attitude about it. I did, and came to the same conclusion. I don't think this i
91 ANCFlyer : Psst. Please see reply 80. Next? And just who the hell is going to invade North Korea? Better yet, who the hell WANTS to invade North Korea? I've bee
92 Joni : To the contrary, I'd say I know quite a bit about my own posts I've posted today. I think this kind of scenario "may" have occurred to NK, which is a
93 AirPacific747 : Please don't confuse his opinions with being European.
94 Miamiair : For what? To take their kimchee?
95 Singapore_Air : Presumably to get rid of this North Korean problem. And then on a less bloddy scale, Iran.
96 AGM100 : IMO we will know by the end of this week exactly what side our friends in China will come down on. This is a nuclear test all right , its a test to se
97 Post contains images PlymSpotter : Is there firm evidence that the DPRK has been trading with terrorist groups such as Al Quaida. I find it hard to believe that there is, otherwise I th
98 Beaucaire : ...as it appears North Corea are at the brink of conducting a second Nuclear test-source are South Corean Intelligence agencies..
99 MattCLE : 1. China is realistically the only country that can do any type of damage to North Korea outside a military strike. Considering China has the 2008 Oly
100 MD11Engineer : About 15 years ago I used to work as a fork truck driver for Cargo Services Berlin in SXF, a subsidary of the Berlin airport company. At this time Ko
101 Joni : That's a good question, perhaps you should ask them.
102 DrDeke : So, what do you think should come of it? I know that North Korea is quite isolated, but I really don't see how a country that can (maybe) build a nuc
103 Post contains images Windshear : hehe with a second cartoon crisis brewing, maybe the idea isn't that far fetched True, I think I still pose for a European, even though I might disag
105 Post contains images APFPilot1985 : "cheers"
106 EA CO AS : There are, however, conflicting reports of the size of the test itself. Some news agencies are sticking strongly to the .55KT yield. Russian intellig
107 F9Animal : Holy shizzle!!! That was the funniest video I have seen in some time. I wish he could see that for himself!!!!! Oh wait, he might flip out and nuke s
108 Post contains images B777-700 : I'm about as far from a neocon as you can get, and I'd be in favor of shutting that wack-job down. Too bad we took our eye off the ball. Your point?
109 AndesSMF : I dont think we EVER had the eye on that ball. If we did, we wouldnt be talking about this test now.
110 Searpqx : Its been mentioned several times, but realistically, besides direct military action - what exactly can be done? NK is already under significant sancti
111 AGM100 : I disagree , I believe we have been working on this including the previous administation. NK has not lived up to any of their agreements , the UN has
112 Post contains images Falcon84 : It could also be "abused" by the Democrats, who could point out that while Mr. Bush was out playing cowboy, and chasing phantom WMD in Iraq, we let t
113 Post contains links Searpqx : I'm sure we're going to hear plenty of variations on the theme from both sides, with very little actual practical suggestions being put forth. By the
114 11Bravo : Maybe. I think it's very clear that North Korea is a much more serious threat to the United States and its allies than Iraq ever was. The real conseq
115 Falcon84 : No, we shouldn't have invaded the DRPK, any more than we should have invaded Iraq. What we should have done is NOT invade Iraq, since it was never a
116 Searpqx : Kim Jong is a master of brinksmanship, and he knows that no matter how many troops we surround the DPRK with, in the end, because of China, we would
117 Gilligan : Sorta like we built up our forces around Iraq and told them Saddam he would either open up his country for inspections with no interference or we wou
118 AGM100 : So how many divisions would it take to convince the NK's..ooops I mean Chinese that we were serious ? Falcon you have stood tall on the fact that Ira
119 Joni : My point was that whereas he may have the ability to read and comprehend English, he wasn't using it when read my post -as witnessed by the fact that
120 AndesSMF : What is forgotten in all of this is that this is NOT a problem for the US alone. After all, it has been a six-country diplomatic effort. The US is pro
121 Post contains links MCIGuy : A troop build-up around PRNK probably wouldn't yield any positive effect, especially since China essentially won round 1. My dad was there, at Chosin,
122 AGM100 : This is the twisted view of most of our countrymen now Andes .. you know that.. not to mention most from Europe. Just makes you wonder doesnt it ? We
123 MCIGuy : China will try to play both sides of the fence, for now. They know that right now, they can't win a war against the US. However, they've begun a milit
124 Post contains images Searpqx : Sorry, this is complete and utter bullshit - and a prime example of why this country is so divided. I'll lay you 10-1 odds that a majority of those t
125 AGM100 : Bullshit indeed ... but not complete and utter bullshit. Just read back over some of the other posts on this thread. Even the great Falcon is using o
126 Post contains images AndesSMF : Then I'll point out that DPRK has NOT attacked us in any way and presents no 'imminent danger' to us. I think a read of this thread will dissuade fro
127 Pyrex : Search wikipedia for "Tsar Bomba"
128 AGM100 : Andes , the problem with this theory is ..who has the most to lose? Would the Chinese risk their economy to sink us once and for all then assume econ
129 Searpqx : Not quite sure what you're getting at? I've read the thread top to bottom, and yeah, a couple of people have implied it, and I posted the link to Ira
130 AndesSMF : Dont think so, money talks. China is suffering from a problem of a very large magnitude. That is, China has a lack of women. There is a surplus of me
131 NoUFO : Maybe but his policies on isolating North Korea failed just like South Koreas "Sunshine Policy" failed, as well as China's attempt to bring North Kor
132 Searpqx : Exactly - this scenario was pretty much pre-ordained the day that Kim's father came to power. Paranoid nutcases they may be, but Kim & his father are
133 AndesSMF : Excellent points! That is a very interesting question. We'll have to see how this plays out. My fervent hope is that perhaps this test was a dud afte
134 Post contains links and images MCIGuy : The "X Factors" : X Factor X Factor too X Factor trois
135 Miamiair : As it was, this was an air burst that detonated at 12,000 feet 0330 Local time, 30 OCT 61. The fireball was in excess of 2 miles across, so this bomb
136 AndesSMF : Actually, the course followed by the US as regards to the DPRK has not worked. So either course followed would have had criticism from either side. N
137 Post contains images Searpqx : Ok, now I've gotcha, and for the most part agreed. The sadly ironic thing, in my opinion only of course, is that the path followed in regards to the
138 ANCFlyer : I would agree . . . we'll hear a lot of blather from both sides . . . no real solutions . . . a lot of posturing because it's election time, but stil
139 AndesSMF : It was all in a bit of a sarcastic tone. To clarify, I do see a danger from DPRK. But there have been several people here who are not fond of pre-emp
140 AGM100 : Thanks Miami will check it out. This is debateable but it is certainly their goal to obtain the combination.
141 ANCFlyer : So was their ability to actually conduct a test - until 48 hours ago or so. . .
142 NoUFO : They likely tested a nuclear weapon. If the warhead worked as expected is another question, and then there is the additional question if they are sma
143 Post contains images Halls120 : For you to suggest that we have sufficient troops available to conduct sustained operations against North Korea at this time - even with assistance f
144 Dtwclipper : I understood you point very well, thank you! Never the less, your argument was and is still very weak.
145 L-188 : There is a contradiction. It is amazing how much you can learn about somebody by what they ship. Hardly, they where a one trick pony. They attacked o
146 Halls120 : Someone should send him that great photo of Madeline Albright raising a glass with her North Korean buddies.
147 MCIGuy : Yeah, but it remains that Truman wussed out and pulled out. Not to mention he wouldn't let our guys and the British win because he was worried about
148 ANCFlyer : Like I said earlier, unless someone has a half dozen US Infantry Battalions stuffed away somewhere, we're in no shape to handle that . . . thanks Pre
149 UH60FtRucker : Well... if you're going to make a dumb comment, (just like in another thread how you suggested Airbus products are inferior to Boeing products) peopl
150 11Bravo : More like half a dozen Infantry Divisions. The KPA has four Corp commands and 15 divisions in their First Echelon force structure. Add to that anothe
151 Post contains images ANCFlyer : Yeah, that's what I said the first time earlier in the thread. DIVISIONS, not Battalions. And I mean Infantry. North Korea is NOT - repeat NOT - tank
152 FlyUSCG : NEVER said it would be easy NEVER said we wouldn't NEVER said we would "whoop" their ass. NEVER showed that attitude. Saying "we'll win" is NOT being
153 Singapore_Air : Unfortunately it's been that way for ages and is occurring more and more.
154 UH60FtRucker : ahhhh bullsh*t. Says who? Even though 30,000 troops are in theater already, we're stretched thin. 20,000 are tied up in the 'Stan, 150,000 tied up in
155 Joni : I'm not kidding. Look at Israel - they feel they're a small country surrounded by powerful enemies (and who can argue with that?), therefore they've
156 VHVXB : The Taepodong-2 has a maximum range of 10000km
157 ANCFlyer : Very bad example. Why might you ask . . . well, I haven't seen Japan, South Korea, Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, China, et al, surrounding North Korea com
158 AirPacific747 : surrounded by enemies?!! Wtf are you talking about?? If North Korea started acting like a normal country, they would have no enemies.
159 Miamiair : Bad example. They are not exporting the technology to rogue states. The only negative was their collaboration with South Africa and their nuclear pro
160 Post contains images CPH-R : Given the latrest debacle over Muhammed, we certainly could use some
161 ANCFlyer : IMO, no. Although they are two different operations, both drawing different resources, both are under the same Command - USCENTCOM, same essential Th
162 Post contains images Halls120 : True. But you did say: Even with the allies you anticipate joining us, what you said above is simply wrong, and illustrates how little you really kno
163 Joni : See above: they're deterring foreign powers that are hostile to their regime - for instance the US. The reasons for this hostility are a completely d
164 AirPacific747 : Of course they wont give those guarantees! How is the world going to trust Iran and North Korea if they wont let the rest of the world look over thei
165 NoUFO : Wasn't it the other way around? Iran insisted on its enrichment program even though the west guaranteed to deliver enriched uranium and not to attack
166 AndesSMF : The question is: Do they feel threatened or are they actually being threatened. As far as I can see and read, no one has even come close to overtly t
167 Searpqx : You're only partially correct - the North is acting because they fear an attack, but that fear is based on paranoia. Its a self-induced and self perp
168 CPH-R : I doubt it helped that they were named a part of an Axis of Evil, of whom one other member was invaded and another has been more or less threatened w
169 Searpqx : As stupid as that stunt was, the DPRK was on this path long before Bush, Clinton, Bush Sr., Reagan, Carter or Nixon came to office. As I've stated be
170 Post contains images Joni : Iran hasn't been offered security guarantees, despite occasional media reports to the contrary. This is the reason diplomatic efforts have been so un
171 RichardPrice : There were no long term guarantees that came with those offers, essentially Iran would be agreeing to put the fuel supply fully in control of precise
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