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A Fate Greater Than Light Or Darkness  
User currently offlineAerospaceFan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (7 years 11 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 1649 times:

The line between life and death for an individual is thin. We are, each of us, only a heartbeat away from death. A single heartbeat, the next one, could be the last, and in minutes thereafter, all of existence with our family, our friends, and all that we know, will ultimately cease to be.

Anyone who thinks that the world is founded on law and protected by gates of iron against the hounds of hell need to have another thought coming, and as the world faces the prospects of madmen with nukes, none of us are safe from the flash of nuclear annihilation.

In A Canticle for Liebowitz, the author ends his story with a reference to both birth and death, and he recognized that for all the illusions of mankind, there was only the constancy of historical happenstance. What we build upon our dreams of future persistence is nothing more than precisely those illusions that mark the solace we place on the excuses we give ourselves to justify the tedious process of life.

Hunter S. Thompson, the gonzo journalist, ultimately killed himself because he wanted a death as banal as life itself. But there have been many who found that life was too absurd to be lived, at least if you looked at it hard enough. Socrates, in this respect, was flat wrong: The life that was examined was, instead, that was not worth living.

And so as the world-historical events of our times unfold, the luxury of dispassionate observers is to withdraw from the world and to throw their cares to the wind.

In the famous words of John Lennon, we might as well let it be. Let it be.

The fate of the world is greater than light or darkness. The fate of the world... is nothing at all.

[Edited 2006-10-10 18:10:20]

55 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineMyt332 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 9112 posts, RR: 70
Reply 1, posted (7 years 11 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 1648 times:

What's your point dude?


One Life, Live it.
User currently offlineAerospaceFan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 11 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 1641 times:

Quoting Myt332 (Reply 1):
What's your point dude?



Quoting AerospaceFan (Thread starter):
The fate of the world is greater than light or darkness. The fate of the world... is nothing at all.


User currently offlineMyt332 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 9112 posts, RR: 70
Reply 3, posted (7 years 11 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 1637 times:

Do you actually have anything to say?


One Life, Live it.
User currently offlineAerospaceFan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (7 years 11 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 1637 times:

Quoting Myt332 (Reply 3):
Do you actually have anything to say?

Do you have a reason to doubt it?


User currently offlineMyt332 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 9112 posts, RR: 70
Reply 5, posted (7 years 11 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 1636 times:

Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 4):
Do you have a reason to doubt it?

Doubt what I say? Well not tonight although I do doubt sometimes. Why, do you doubt that I doubt or is that doubtful?



One Life, Live it.
User currently offlineAerospaceFan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (7 years 11 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 1631 times:

Quoting Myt332 (Reply 5):
Doubt what I say? Well not tonight although I do doubt sometimes. Why, do you doubt that I doubt or is that doubtful?

I don't doubt that you doubt at all.


User currently offlineTedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (7 years 11 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 1630 times:

Quoting AerospaceFan (Thread starter):
The fate of the world... is nothing at all.

Is this a suicide note?

Does this mean we don't have to read your crap threads anymore?


User currently offlineMyt332 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 9112 posts, RR: 70
Reply 8, posted (7 years 11 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 1629 times:

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 7):
Does this mean we don't have to read your crap threads anymore?

If only this were the case.



One Life, Live it.
User currently offlineAerospaceFan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (7 years 11 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 1626 times:

It seems to me that this thread may be too abtract or vague for this Forum. Fine. Then I'll explain myself.

It seems to me that we are entering an era where nihilism may be the best protection against insanity. We have, in the Middle East, an excess of belief, where religion has been hijacked for the purposes of destruction.

We have, in the Far East, a cynical exploration of nuclear technology to extract concessions from the West. In some respects, they know us better than we know ourselves.

And we have, in the West itself, a lack of confidence in its own existence, as if everyone else's interests are more important than its own. This is, I think, the straw that breaks the camel's back. The West unconciously desires its own undoing, by failing to believe in the merits of its own existence.

The answer to this confusing state of affairs is to take the long view, which is that -- particularly if science is correct, and religion is the opposite -- the universe does not give two sh*ts about the world or its future.

Only we do.

I'm afraid that there isn't a "moral of the tale" at the end of the story of Earth, nor a grand or glorious finale in which the good people of the world rise up to heaven, whether literally or not. Even Walter Miller might have been wrong about this. Nor will the righteous be rewarded, nor the evildoer punished. Nor will villains meet their end at the ends of a mythical "god". In the book of nihilism, no one is damned, but by the same token, no one should give a damn. The universe is a tale told by an idiot, all sound and fury, signifying nothing. But unlike in the case of a Shakespearean play, it is a tale told by someone who might as well not exist.

So if you think that what happens in your world is important -- your personal world, or the literal world we see on CNN or the BBC -- think again. It isn't. It really doesn't matter.

In years hence, it could very well be that there will no one who gives a damn. And it is a virtual certainty that in a hundred years, you, yourself, and I, and everyone reading this message, won't exist at all.

[Edited 2006-10-10 18:51:07]

User currently offlineAerospaceFan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (7 years 11 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 1623 times:

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 7):
Is this a suicide note?

Wouldn't that be something?

 Wink

But no, Ted. There's too much intellectualizing to be done.


User currently offlineMyt332 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 9112 posts, RR: 70
Reply 11, posted (7 years 11 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 1621 times:

Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 9):
In years hence, it could very well be that there will no one who gives a damn. And it is a certainty that in a hundred years, you, yourself, and I, and everyone reading this message, won't exist at all.

Firstly, I don't give a damn now and secondly; does my fast food, alcohol indulgent, social smoker lifestyle mean I won't live till 120? No shit!



One Life, Live it.
User currently offlineAerospaceFan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (7 years 11 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 1614 times:

Quoting Myt332 (Reply 11):
Firstly, I don't give a damn now and secondly; does my fast food, alcohol indulgent, social smoker lifestyle mean I won't live till 120? No shit!

Yeah, no sh*t. None at all.

I think it's positively hilarious that we delude ourselves that we have a stake in the future, when it's clear that, statistically, none of us here will live beyond the next complete orbit of the junior planet of Pluto.

And at some point, in light of this, I'll stop believing that the West deserves to survive as a civilization, because, goddammit, if the West doesn't believe in itself, there's not even the barest wisp of an excuse for believing it important to call for its defense.

Why don't we all take a collective suicide pill and end it all right now? It might save our enemies the trouble, and it might save on greenhouse emissions, besides.

Without belief, without conviction, there isn't a motherf*cking thing that matters. And that's pretty much the truth, any way one puts it -- in one's pipe, in a smoke, or otherwise.

[Edited 2006-10-10 18:43:59]

User currently offlineMyt332 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 9112 posts, RR: 70
Reply 13, posted (7 years 11 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 1613 times:

Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 12):
Why don't we all take a collective suicide pill and end it all right now?

Because I want a damned beer ok?



One Life, Live it.
User currently offlineAerospaceFan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (7 years 11 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 1607 times:

Quoting Myt332 (Reply 13):
Because I want a damned beer ok?

LOL. That's as good a reason as any, mate!  Smile


User currently offlineAerospaceFan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (7 years 11 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 1588 times:

Erratum:

Quoting AerospaceFan (Thread starter):
Anyone who thinks that the world is founded on law and protected by gates of iron against the hounds of hell needs to have another thought coming, and as the world faces the prospects of madmen with nukes, none of us are safe from the flash of nuclear annihilation.


Quoting AerospaceFan (Thread starter):
Socrates, in this respect, was flat wrong: The life that was examined was, instead, that which was not worth living.

As corrected.

Because. Spelling. Matters. And don't ask me why. I don't like the answer.

[Edited 2006-10-10 19:03:31]

User currently offlineMDorBust From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (7 years 11 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 1583 times:

Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 12):
Yeah, no sh*t. None at all.

No, there most certainly was one. A real grunter. I sh*t, therefore I am.


User currently offlineAerospaceFan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (7 years 11 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 1578 times:

Quoting MDorBust (Reply 16):
No, there most certainly was one. A real grunter. I sh*t, therefore I am.

A follower of "Est", I see.

 Wink


User currently offlineTedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (7 years 11 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 1561 times:

Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 10):
intellectualizing

Is THAT what you call it... yeah..

Try this:
http://www.philosophy.com/


User currently offlineAerospaceFan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (7 years 11 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 1559 times:

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 18):
Is THAT what you call it... yeah..

Reading philosophy for the sake of reading it sucks. If you don't believe me, try reading Schopenhauer. And resist the temptation to slit your wrists.

The only honest way to approach philosophy is to understand it from your own experience. And even that, at times, is questionable.

The best and most appropriate philosophy, at times, is found in this coarse and elegant phrase: "Life sucks, and then you die."

Five words, but what words they are.

 

[Edited 2006-10-10 19:33:57]

User currently offlineUH60FtRucker From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (7 years 11 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 1543 times:

Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 19):
The only honest way to approach philosophy is to understand it from your own experience. And even that, at times, is questionable.

See, but half the time I suspect you're simply ripping material off other people, and spewing it out like it's your own original thoughts.

I don't get you, AF. I mean, no matter how hard you try and convince us otherwise, you can't be that intelligent. Christ, you've frequently cited GlobalSecurity.org as a reference, do I need further proof?  Wink

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g52/UH60PilotIraq/Random/trynottoworrysomuch.gif

-UH60


User currently offlineMDorBust From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (7 years 11 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 1540 times:

Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 19):
Life sucks, and then you die."

Five words, but what words they are.

I'm sorry, but this has to be ammended to be more correct.

"Life sucks, then you fill out paperwork on the suck. Die on your own time mister."


User currently offlineAerospaceFan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (7 years 11 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 1532 times:

Quoting UH60FtRucker (Reply 20):
See, but half the time I suspect you're simply ripping material off other people, and spewing it out like it's your own original thoughts.

Yeah, I know you have that suspicion. Give me proof of any such rip-off and I'll give you $50.00 by PayPay, UH. No questions asked. But it has to be proof, and no fair telling me that I quoted stuff that I actually said I quoted, with or without permission.

The deal is, as I've said before, that I never pass off stuff written by other people as my own. Almost invariably, I give sources, etc., etc. Pretending that I wrote stuff when I didn't is intellectual dishonesty of the worst kind, and whatever the kind of bastard I am, I ain't that kind.

And I've told you -- sometimes I write as a journalist, sometimes as a law-type guy, sometimes as a pseudo-philosopher, sometimes as a quasi-scientist, and sometimes as a "real guy" who thinks of the world as a consummately f*cked-up place, because that's the way it really is, Walter Cronkite. Or whatever the hell. It depends on what side of the bed I fell off earlier that morning.

If I get any sleep at all.

And this isn't saying that I'm any more intelligent than you or anyone else here. It's just that I happen to be more interested in writing about what I think. So that oughta take care of your "intelligence" theory.

For what it's worth.

[Edited 2006-10-10 20:13:59]

User currently offlineAerospaceFan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (7 years 11 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 1521 times:

And, Jesus H. Christ, if you can find a Google reference to the title of this thread, Google must have updated itself in the last 30 seconds.

Which wouldn't surprise me, provided the reference is to this thread.


User currently offlineUH60FtRucker From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (7 years 11 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 1509 times:

Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 22):
The deal is, as I've said before, that I never pass off stuff written by other people as my own. Almost invariably, I give sources, etc., etc. Pretending that I wrote stuff when I didn't is intellectual dishonesty of the worst kind, and whatever the kind of bastard I am, I ain't that kind.

I was only yanking your chain AF.  silly  I don't really think your writing is fraudulent.

Trust me... I truly believe you are legitimately that dull.  Wink

-UH60


25 Post contains images AerospaceFan : It wouldn't be the first time that you're right, UH.
26 JpetekYXMD80 : Are you really so starved for attention that you feel the need to continually post this kind of shit and *try* to sound deep on an airliners forum? Fo
27 AerospaceFan : In a word, "no". And neither do I post a number of other kinds of messages, and least of all, those that imply that a fellow member doesn't have a li
28 Post contains images 9V : AerospaceFan, I just love your posts for the comedy value. Now what I want to know is are all the other inmates allowed internet access from their ce
29 Post contains images AerospaceFan : Yeah, but I managed to bash all their heads in with my giant intellect and now I have exclusive access. They deserved it. John Ashcroft said so. Pret
30 Post contains images 9V : No please don't..you just keep posting with the pen in your mouth pressing the keys one at a time.
31 Post contains images AerospaceFan : Pen? Who needs a pen?
32 Post contains images Mir : Such a powerful five words, apparently, that they threw in a sixth for free. Because despite all the stuff that we've done to screw it up, the world
33 Mandala499 : You can't change fate, you can't change pre-destiny, but they're only valid when they occur, as each second goes by, you have the choice, right, oblig
34 Post contains images AerospaceFan : Call it the five-word discount. True, but sometimes I think that it's all part of the same fabric of illusion. It's what they teach us -- for example
35 Post contains images 9V : So what have you seen and what would you like to find?
36 Nighthawk : Intelligence: taking 20+ paragraphs to say what can be summed up in just 5 words. Or so some people seem to think....
37 Post contains images Klaus : AF, I think what you're trying to express is actually coming from a genuine crisis of conscience, just externalized and (slightly) disguised. What rem
38 Post contains images AerospaceFan : I think that the process of life is a parallel of what Weber called the disenchantment of the world. There isn't any kind of magic that one sees in t
39 9V : You still haven't answered the question.
40 AerospaceFan : It's the best I can do for the moment. You got your money's worth, I should say.
41 Post contains images BHXFAOTIPYYC : Actually Aerospace Fan, I think you got your money's worth, ... with whatever it is you're smoking today
42 Post contains images AerospaceFan : I always give these kinds of responses my Standard Answer: "Hey, baby, I'm high all right -- on life!"
43 TedTAce : Kind of like my divorce thread eh?
44 Post contains images AerospaceFan : Ted, you said not to read those threads, and I've actually complied. Seriously, I haven't read them. But they must be pretty interesting.
45 Post contains images Klaus : I'm not sure I'm following you...?
46 TedTAce : in a watching the needle go into your eye in super duper slow motion kind of way... yes. That's ok.
47 SlamClick : 1. Goldie Hawn 2. Mexican food 3. Fear of death
48 Ilikeyyc : The whole point of life is to get the entire world to notice when you are gone, just like Steve Irwin.
49 TedTAce : I disagree, and in that I must say different strokes for different folks. There are only TWO people who I want to really 'notice' me when I'm gone; m
50 Mandala499 : AF, Your correct that once you're dead, memories of the dead will eventually die too. That's why we have history books to at least immortalize the goo
51 Post contains links AerospaceFan : I very much appreciate your comments, Mandala. I retain my faith in God, so all is hardly lost. When the moment came that Pope John Paul II died, I re
52 Ilikeyyc : Or 'fame' in general. Look how many idiots do stupid stuff just to get on TV. Now that I have a little more time, let me elaborate on my previous sta
53 Post contains images JGPH1A : I've done the same thing (self-proclaimed, that is)
54 Post contains images Mandala499 : AF, Well, there is a quote I heard, "whatever and everything you do in this life, you'll get it ten-fold in the next one"... So, be good Ilikeyyc, "Th
55 Post contains images AerospaceFan : Agreed. I try to follow the Golden Rule (and by this, I do not mean, "He who has the gold, makes the rules"!). In fact, Immanuel Kant's primary ethic
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