AerospaceFan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 1320 times:
(Moderators, I am bringing this issue to the attention of readers here through a new topic, but if you desire, this thread can be folded into the existing North Korea topics.)
Breaking: North Korea may have conducted a second nuclear test.
If it is confirmed that North Korea has conducted a second nuclear test, it would fly in the face of almost universal condemnation by members of the world community.
Such a test would also renew calls for strong measures to deter any further nuclear testing by North Korea and invigorate proposals for for strengthened defenses on the part of its neighbors.
Chances of a military response on the part of the United States and Japan have not been ruled out and experts raise the possibility of an arms build-up in the region. However, in the aftermath of yesterday's test, Japan has expressly re-affirmed its non-nuclear policy.
Experts also fear that a nuclear-armed North Korea may heighten the risks of proliferation of nuclear arms to terror groups.
Cfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 2, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 1292 times:
Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 1): I'm beginning to think the DRPK leadership has a suicide wish.
They've backed Bush into a corner, and if Bush does not come out swinging, and manage to convince the UN to put the screws to NK, Iran will see that the US and UN are paper tigers and will not do anything against their nuclear program, which in turn will mean that nuclear non-proliferation has ceased to be a meaningful policy.
I think the only possible response is a complete and airtight embargo on North Korea, for everything including food, and wait for the NK government to fall.
Searpqx From Netherlands, joined Jun 2000, 4343 posts, RR: 12 Reply 3, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 1286 times:
If, and at this stage its a big if, DPRK conducted another test, I think that the prospects for the sanctions Charles proposes go up significantly. Japan has already suggested a fairly radical restriction on all trade and conatct with the North Koreans, but most had said the conditions were too severe. If NK conducted another test, smack in the middle of the current wave of reaction, I think even China might be willing to abandon them.
"The two most common elements in the universe are Hydrogen and stupidity"
LTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 12338 posts, RR: 12 Reply 4, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 1286 times:
With the now possible 2nd test, to me, the horrendous leaders of the cult that is NK are in their death rattles. Much like political and religious cults, they are threating others around them, their fellow cult members, in a death wish and to take others with them.
After the 1st test, China (PRC) used the strongest and most rarely used terms of objection in their diplomacy with NK. The so-called NK leaders are insulting China, the only country they have any significant diplomatic and economic relations with. Hopefully China and the UN will take the proper measure of acts against NK for the good NK's citizens and well as those of the rest of the world.
PlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11144 posts, RR: 63 Reply 5, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 1283 times:
Quoting Cfalk (Reply 2): I think the only possible response is a complete and airtight embargo on North Korea, for everything including food, and wait for the NK government to fall.
That would work in the end, but you would kill millions and millions of people in the process. The DPRK Government is not going to be bothered so long as they, the leaders, still have food. The other side of this is that it may trigger some form of revolution within the country itself, but I doubt that it would come to anything.
BO__einG From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 2759 posts, RR: 20 Reply 6, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 1264 times:
I would like to get some more info on this second test. I have heard it take place as well but I wonder how this one had gone. Better than the first test, higher yield or another fizzle..
One thing which was done right from all of this was the immediate condemnation by various world leaders. If DPRK wanted the attention they so desperately looking for, they got it. By means of worldwide outrage by almost all nations with nuclear technology and opening themselves for some crippling punishment.
The next worst punishments after military strikes.
However I find it comical that the nation's government were looking for a different kind of attention. Their UN ambassador was gawking at the council saying that they should instead of fuss over this "nonsense" the UN should congratulate their proud and mighty country for achieving such a scientific and technological miracle for their honorable citizens. (I am exaggerating a bit but along those lines)
Despite that, dialogue should continue to be maintained to stop them from further tests. Key players in this from what I see will be primarly China as they are their only known allies, and the U.S followed by S.Korea and Japan.
I think China will have a commanding role in getting DPRK to listen and they have yet to really prove themselves to the Western world and their immediate neighbours that they can do so.
As for the U.S. A Naval blockade would be helpful but it is also risky as any signs of US Naval ships in the region might be a trigger for war.
A country such as N.Korea that has absolutely no awareness of the outside world brainwashed by their own propogandic dictator makes them just as isolated and lonely as the Moon or the Planet Mars.
Can you guys believe that somehow DPRK have windows OS Computers with encyclopedia software in their study halls? With 19 Inch CRT Monitors! They have intranet but no internet.
This country also has one of the cleanest environments in the world and one of the lowest crime rates of any country. Because they are so strict, they at least preserve the atmosphere and safety. Thats really the only thing which doesn't bother me about this country.
Expanding my global domination one spotter at a time..
MCIGuy From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 1936 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 1261 times:
Fox is now reporting it was a false alarm. Apparently, there was a small earthquake in northern Japan and the PM made some calls. If they count quakes in Japan, hell, we'll have a nuclear test every day!
BO__einG From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 2759 posts, RR: 20 Reply 8, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 1261 times:
Also another alternative is to let nature deal with them. Yeah it sounds kinda silly lol but an earthquake, asteroid impact, their own stupid mistakes like a test gone wrong or some other act of god may..."wake them up" from their long 53 years of ignorance and tyranny.
And I would hope that they would then stop what they are doing and co-operate with the UN, 6-party members and even their own citizens.
Expanding my global domination one spotter at a time..
Bushpilot From South Africa, joined Jul 2007, 0 posts, RR: 1 Reply 9, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 1249 times:
I have checked around so far Fox news is mentioning anything and that is there is no confirmation of this happening from the Japanese PM. If it did happen, this is an absolute slap in the face to the international community. I think anything short of embargoing all trade including humanitarian goods will be fruitless to stop this madman. I hope someone is seriously contemplating a decapitation strike on one of those palaces. Though I dont bet ole Kimmy is an easy target.
MCIGuy From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 1936 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 1240 times:
TedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 11, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 1224 times:
Quoting Cfalk (Reply 2): I think the only possible response is a complete and airtight embargo on North Korea, for everything including food, and wait for the NK government to fall.
Nice thought, but then you would flood China with refugees and China is not going to have any of that.
MCIGuy From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 1936 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 1214 times:
Pyrex From Portugal, joined Aug 2005, 3538 posts, RR: 28 Reply 15, posted (6 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 1085 times:
Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 5): That would work in the end, but you would kill millions and millions of people in the process.
Call me a heartless cynical but I am starting to think that wouldn't be such a bad outcome after all. Think about it, is death really such a bad prospect compared to living your entire life in North Korea? If it could free millions more of North Koreans the end result could be a positive one.
I think the world should really start preparing to help China and South Korea because when that regime falls the people there will need serious help... least of all to un-brainwash their minds.
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