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Foley Thing: "At Least No One Died."  
User currently offlineLHMARK From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 7255 posts, RR: 47
Posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2111 times:

http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/10/11/shays.kennedy.ap/index.html

I just don't believe it! Why can't Republicans in tight races just say "What Foley did was terrible, but it was the action of a disturbed individual, and doesn't represent a positionheld by the general Republican electorate?"

A lame four-decade old tit-for-tast is astounding. I hope voters aren't really that stupid.


"Sympathy is something that shouldn't be bestowed on the Yankees. Apparently it angers them." - Bob Feller
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User currently offlineDeltaGator From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 6341 posts, RR: 13
Reply 1, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2096 times:

Quoting LHMARK (Thread starter):
I just don't believe it!

I may not believe it but coming from a politician it doesn't surprise me anymore. I think he needs a little bit of water to wash his foot down with after this one.

While I shudder to think what will happen if the Democrats take control it won't come as the least bit of a surprise given the retardedness of the GOP as of late.



"If you can't delight in the misery of others then you don't deserve to be a college football fan."
User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2090 times:

Quoting LHMARK (Thread starter):
I just don't believe it!

Why not? When in serious trouble of one way or the other, the official Republican response, and that of many of their loyals, is to find something to say "well, the Democrats....". They still blame Bill Clinton for about everything, case in point lately being John McCain's pot-shots. So wny not bring up somethng that happened almost 40 years ago, that didn't involve a minor, and did involve a current member of Congress. It's the M/O for the GOP of this day and age.


User currently offlineLHMARK From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 7255 posts, RR: 47
Reply 3, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2082 times:

So what's actually expected of the voters after statements like this? Are people supposed to say "Well, yeah. I guess Ted Kennedy DID do an awful thing back then. I guess that cancels out the current GOP scandal. I'm voting republican?"


"Sympathy is something that shouldn't be bestowed on the Yankees. Apparently it angers them." - Bob Feller
User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2078 times:

New legal and political arguments by the GOP:

1. He raped your wife, but she didn't die. Let him go.

2. He buggered your 8 year old child, but he/she didn't die. Let him go.

3. Yeah, he was tortured for 24 hours, but at least he didn't die. Quit, complaining.

4. He robbed you and broke your legs, but at least you didn't die. Shut up.

They kicked you out of office, but at least you're still alive. So, get lost, Mr. Shays.

Frankly, Shays must have been having a bad day. He's one of the smarter Republicans around. The fact that he said this is tragic.


User currently offlineB777-700 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2080 times:

Disgusting? Yes. surprising? No.

Remember, this is the party that accuses war hero's of being cowards who inflicted their own wounds either on purpose or out of incompetence.

This is the party who associated Max Cleland, a decorated war hero who lost limbs in battle, to Osama bin Laden.

This is the same party who made phone calls to potential voters in South Carolina accusing ONE MEMBER OF THEIR OWN PARTY of having an illegitimate minority child.

They have no shame.

Quoting LHMARK (Thread starter):
"What Foley did was terrible, but it was the action of a disturbed individual, and doesn't represent a positionheld by the general Republican electorate?"

I actually give Reynolds in NY a lot of credit for saying the right thing. He acknowledged mistakes were made, more could have been done, and apologized. As far as I'm concerned, he's forgiven.

Instead of the 'circle the wagons' and 'deflect, blame, deflect, blame' games the GOP likes to play in these situation, they should follow Reynolds lead and grow a pair.

But they don't really have the best example in their party leader, Mr. 'I haven't made any mistakes.'

BTW, $5 American to the person who guesses the first Bush ass kisser on here who tries to get this thread off topic.  Wink


User currently offlineDeltaGator From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 6341 posts, RR: 13
Reply 6, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2072 times:

Quoting B777-700 (Reply 5):
This is the party who associated Max Cleland, a decorated war hero who lost limbs in battle, to Osama bin Laden.

While that campaign was a particularly ugly one on both sides it is a fact that Cleland didn't lose his limbs in battle. He lost them in Vietnam but he wasn't in a battle at the time. IIRC he didn't get a Purple Heart since it was not a battle related injury but rather him mishandling a grenade.



"If you can't delight in the misery of others then you don't deserve to be a college football fan."
User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2056 times:

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 6):
While that campaign was a particularly ugly one on both sides it is a fact that Cleland didn't lose his limbs in battle. He lost them in Vietnam but he wasn't in a battle at the time. IIRC he didn't get a Purple Heart since it was not a battle related injury but rather him mishandling a grenade.

Gag, what is that? Another fake moan uttered from the lips of that coked up GOP Porn starlet, Ann Coulter?

According to Cleland's own commanding officer, Cleland was with the Battalion Forward Command Post in heavy combat involving the attack of the 1st Cavalry Division up the valley to relieve the Marines who were besieged and surrounded at the Khe Shan Firebase. The whole surrounding area was an active combat zone. As they were getting off the helicopter, Cleland saw the grenade on the ground and he instinctively went for it. It turns out that the grenade had been left lying around by another soldier.

The fact that his legs hadn't been sawed off by angry Viet Cong with a rusty knife is immaterial. He lost his limbs while serving in the military in a combat support mission.

And he was awarded the Silver Star and the Bronze Star for combat in Vietnam.

Like the other GOP political porn starlet, Michelle Malkin, Coulter prefers actors playing soldiers. She doesn't like the real kind, because they don't pay her to.


User currently offlineB777-700 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2048 times:

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 6):
IIRC he didn't get a Purple Heart since it was not a battle related injury but rather him mishandling a grenade.

Haha I was about to call BS on that, but Jay beat me to it.

The bigger point is the GOP thinks that if you're a Dem, your military service doesn't count.

Ironic, considering who they have in the White House.


User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2032 times:

I'm sorry, you just don't go around making light of the injuries people suffer while in combat. Or the fact that they fought bravely.

I never once heard of anyone contest Bob Dole's war injuries as a political ploy. Or impugn John McCain's service. Or Chuck Hagel's purple star.

Give respect where respect is due. Its something that two-bit tart Coulter doesn't know a damn thing about.

But hey, the new line is:

"So what if I made fun of his lost limbs? So what if I used the N-word? So what if he was "macaca'd?" No one died."


User currently offlineTedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2024 times:

Quoting LHMARK (Thread starter):
I hope voters aren't really that stupid.

Hope in one and and shit in the other....


User currently offlineDeltaGator From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 6341 posts, RR: 13
Reply 11, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 1991 times:

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 7):
The fact that his legs hadn't been sawed off by angry Viet Cong with a rusty knife is immaterial. He lost his limbs while serving in the military in a combat support mission.

Agreed. But to say he lost them in combat is wrong. He was not engaged with the enemy at the time. In fact he was staying behind to visit some friends at the camp.

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 7):
As they were getting off the helicopter, Cleland saw the grenade on the ground and he instinctively went for it. It turns out that the grenade had been left lying around by another soldier.

Cleland was ordered to erect a communications antenna on a nearby mountain top but decided to stay behind and have some beers with some guys he knew there. This recounting of the incident comes from his mouth.

Quoting B777-700 (Reply 8):
Haha I was about to call BS on that, but Jay beat me to it.

You can't call BS on something that is true. He did not get a Purple Heart for that incident.

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 9):
Give respect where respect is due.

I respect Cleland's service and the sacrifice he has given for this country. That campaign was dirty on both sides and turned me off to Saxby given his lack of military record.

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 9):
I'm sorry, you just don't go around making light of the injuries people suffer while in combat. Or the fact that they fought bravely.

I wasn't making light of his injuries but just pointing out that they were not directly from combat.

Quoting B777-700 (Reply 8):
The bigger point is the GOP thinks that if you're a Dem, your military service doesn't count.

Sad but true and something I'm not too keen on with their way of thinking. Quite disgusting.

Back to the original post though. The GOP has gotten pretty desperate in their attempt to hold on to power. As I said earlier I shudder to think of what the Dems will do but the GOP deserves to be tossed out on their ass the way they have acted over the past couple of years and lack of listening skills to the public.



"If you can't delight in the misery of others then you don't deserve to be a college football fan."
User currently offlineB777-700 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 1989 times:

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 11):
You can't call BS on something that is true. He did not get a Purple Heart for that incident.

Where did I say he did?


User currently offlineDeltaGator From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 6341 posts, RR: 13
Reply 13, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 1970 times:

I reread your post and see now that you were calling BS on the recount of the incident and not the issuing of a Purple Heart. My bad.


"If you can't delight in the misery of others then you don't deserve to be a college football fan."
User currently offlineBushpilot From South Africa, joined Jul 2007, 0 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 1967 times:

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 2):
It's the M/O for the GOP of this day and age.

I am certainly no Bush apologist, but the DNP blames Bush for everything as well. This is the sad game that has become all common among the juveniles running this country. God forbid someone actually talk about some real issues. Vote for me because I wont flirt with underage boys, forget that I have no plan to deal with %50 of Americans not having health insurance. No idea how to deal with a devastating war that is costing the US tax payers a billion a day. Nah I can talk in glittering generalities, I can sling mud all day...yeah vote for me. Both sides of the aisle do it, and they do it all the time. Especially a month out from the election. It is disturbing and the US voters need to figure out a viable third party.


User currently offlineAdh214 From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 358 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 1965 times:

Quoting LHMARK (Thread starter):
"What Foley did was terrible, but it was the action of a disturbed individual, and doesn't represent a positionheld by the general Republican electorate?"

Clearly this is an accurate statement.

I think the more important issue now is who knew what when.

If high level Republicans knew about Mark Foley's behaviour, they should have taken action to stop it. However, if they did not know, (we can't expect them to have a crystal ball) then your comments are accurate.


User currently offlineNWA742 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 1952 times:

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 2):
Why not? When in serious trouble of one way or the other, the official Republican response, and that of many of their loyals, is to find something to say "well, the Democrats....". They still blame Bill Clinton for about everything,

It goes both ways, Falcon, and you know that. When cornered, the Democrats don't provide plans or solutions, they point to Republicans and place blame.

This is only more BS from another dickhead politician, so what's new? It's exactly the same as the Dems' "Nobody died when Clinton lied" nonsense.




-NWA742


User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 1949 times:

Quoting NWA742 (Reply 16):
It's exactly the same as the Dems' "Nobody died when Clinton lied" nonsense.

Nobody even got a hangnail when Clinton lied. It was a total non-event, except to the rabid Right.


User currently offlineNWA742 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 1946 times:

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 17):
It was a total non-event

Bullshit. A president going under oath, speaking directly to the people of his country and lieing right out of his mouth is a big event, no matter what the subject.

That goes for every president, too.




-NWA742


User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1942 times:

Quoting NWA742 (Reply 18):
A president going under oath, speaking directly to the people of his country and lieing right out of his mouth is a big event, no matter what the subject.

"Politician lies" has about the same shock-horror factor as "Bear shits in woods" or "Pope is Catholic". The whole impeachment thing was SUCH a pretext, it was a joke.


User currently offlineNWA742 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1936 times:

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 19):
"Politician lies" has about the same shock-horror factor as "Bear shits in woods" or "Pope is Catholic".

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But that's beyond the point, right? The point is - it's ridiculous to justify one's actions by saying that someone else did the same thing, only worse - and BOTH the Dems and Reps do it. This subject is an example of an idiot Republican politician doing it.




-NWA742


User currently offlineDiamond From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3279 posts, RR: 63
Reply 21, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1934 times:

Quoting NWA742 (Reply 18):
Bullshit. A president going under oath, speaking directly to the people of his country and lieing right out of his mouth is a big event, no matter what the subject.

That goes for every president, too.

I assume you include the current president in that opinion? Do you believe that every word he has uttered to the American people is the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth?



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User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1928 times:

Quoting NWA742 (Reply 20):
But that's beyond the point, right? The point is - it's ridiculous to justify one's actions by saying that someone else did the same thing, only worse - and BOTH the Dems and Reps do it. This subject is an example of an idiot Republican politician doing it.

Well, lying AND perving underage boys. The underage boys thing is the kicker here, especially as the perv in question was drafting laws against it at the time - "Hey, kettle - you're BLACK !"


User currently offlineNWA742 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1928 times:

Quoting Diamond (Reply 21):
I assume you include the current president in that opinion?

Of course, but what lies are we talking about? Every "lie" the Democrats push on the President is hardly exact and/or directly provable - it's subject to interpretation - that means half-truths are coming from each side. In the case of Clinton, it's hardly under question that he did in fact, lie, because he admitted everything.

Quoting Diamond (Reply 21):
Do you believe that every word he has uttered to the American people is the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth?

I haven't seen any proof or indication that he's knowingly lied to us, even if many of the things he has said have turned out to be false.

Yet, he is a politician, so it wouldn't surprise me in the least.



-NWA742


User currently onlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21530 posts, RR: 55
Reply 24, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1916 times:

They may not have killed anybody, but GOP sure is killing their chances in November every time they open their mouths now.

-Mir



7 billion, one nation, imagination...it's a beautiful day
25 Beefstew25 : They are all dirtbags, every single last one of the scum in Washington. I am not going to vote for an incumbent this year. It is time for term limits.
26 Post contains images B777-700 : Well, there's a good reason for that. Republicans have had control of all three branches for the past 6 years. Who else is to blame? The Whigs? Did a
27 Post contains links Jaysit : The Dems battle cry may have been nonsense, but you can't equate the two. Lying about Monica enjoying her protein shake and lying about seducing a te
28 NWA742 : And you completely missed the point. It's not about who's in control, it's about both sides being so partisan these days that all they do is point fi
29 Diamond : In the absence of whatever you might consider to be 'proof', what does your intuition tell you? Saying that you have no proof is a bit like discussin
30 Post contains images Srbmod : Remember folks, nobody died when Clinton lied....... Hey G.O.P.:
31 NWA742 : What do you care? Why does it matter? I mean, if you must know, my intuition tells me that GWB is a politician, and no politician is ever 100% honest
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