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A Little Computer Help, For The Experts...  
User currently offlineWaterpolodan From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1649 posts, RR: 5
Posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2059 times:

Hello everyone, I need a little help with my computer here (a homebuilt desktop). I recently had a problem shipping it to school, where my hard drives became detached and flopped around inside the case and ended up wrecking the video card. Fine, I bought a new one (Nvidia geforce 6600) and everything was cool. I've got a couple racing games that I like to play online, and they were working great as the card was alot better than my old one. So then my motherboard dies, apparently from lingering damages from the HD smashing into it. I get a "new" motherboard, which was hard to find as I've got a Socket A processor and an AGP graphics card, which are behind the times I'm told. Now, with this Epox 8KRAI-Pro motherboard (supposedly better than my old one), I've been getting noticeably reduced performance in games, as in the frames per second are way down, and in general everything in games is a little choppy. I can't figure out why, I've updated the drivers for my video card and installed the VIA 4 in 1 drivers for my MB, as that is what my old MB had, but it's getting frusturating that I spent a decent bit of $ on a new gfx card and the motherboard is dragging everything back down. Just in case, my specs are- AMD Athlon XP1800+ @ 1.5 ghz, 1.5 GB RAM, plus the MB and gfx cards mentioned above. Any ideas? Maybe some drivers to try?

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User currently offlineWSOY From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2041 times:

Download SiSoft Sandra and run the tests. It'll give you comparative data against typical systems for every PC subsystem. Asrock is one mfg that offers Socket A + AGP cards as new, btw. (K7S41GX).

User currently offlineStrasserB From Singapore, joined Nov 2005, 1541 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2030 times:

Quoting Waterpolodan (Thread starter):
Hello everyone, I need a little help with my computer here (a homebuilt desktop). I recently had a problem shipping it to school, where my hard drives became detached and flopped around inside the case and ended up wrecking the video card. Fine, I bought a new one (Nvidia geforce 6600) and everything was cool. I've got a couple racing games that I like to play online, and they were working great as the card was alot better than my old one. So then my motherboard dies, apparently from lingering damages from the HD smashing into it. I get a "new" motherboard, which was hard to find as I've got a Socket A processor and an AGP graphics card, which are behind the times I'm told. Now, with this Epox 8KRAI-Pro motherboard (supposedly better than my old one), I've been getting noticeably reduced performance in games, as in the frames per second are way down, and in general everything in games is a little choppy. I can't figure out why, I've updated the drivers for my video card and installed the VIA 4 in 1 drivers for my MB, as that is what my old MB had, but it's getting frusturating that I spent a decent bit of $ on a new gfx card and the motherboard is dragging everything back down. Just in case, my specs are- AMD Athlon XP1800+ @ 1.5 ghz, 1.5 GB RAM, plus the MB and gfx cards mentioned above. Any ideas? Maybe some drivers to try?

As well your keyboard seems to have a problem with the CR/LF key.
(That's the big one at the right hand side.)  wave 



Still, even in the most arid desert is an airport somewhere ...
User currently offlineAC773 From Canada, joined Nov 2005, 1730 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2028 times:

Quoting Waterpolodan (Thread starter):
Any ideas?

That board has something of a reputation for eating CPU cycles. If you're hell-bent on staying on the Socket A bandwagon, I'd RMA the board and get something like the ASRock K7VM3. Otherwise, consider this your golden opportunity to transfer to a socket developed after Skidmarks was born.  Wink

All kidding aside, I'm running an Athlon 2500+ (Barton) right now and it's been nothing short of magnificent over the last two years. It's attached to an ASRock K7Upgrade-880 board with a Sapphire 9600XT graphics card. I like my setup, but it's a full 3 generations behind the current AMD standard and the age really shows. For me, it's a matter of months before I upgrade to a new machine and turn the old one into a full-time FTP server.



Better to be nouveau than never to have been riche at all.
User currently offlineAC773 From Canada, joined Nov 2005, 1730 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2028 times:

Quoting WSOY (Reply 1):
Asrock is one mfg that offers Socket A + AGP cards as new, btw

I think you mean motherboards, as ASRock doesn't make graphics cards.



Better to be nouveau than never to have been riche at all.
User currently offlineWaterpolodan From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1649 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2017 times:

Oh man, looks like I'm screwed for now with this MB. If I were to upgrade to a newish processor with a new MB, what would you guys recommend? I'd like to keep my RAM (DDR400 I think, I'm not sure) and my AGP graphics card, so I'd need a MB with AGP X8 support. Any way I could find an MB and processor that fit my requirements for less than $100?

User currently offlineAC773 From Canada, joined Nov 2005, 1730 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2005 times:

Quoting Waterpolodan (Reply 5):
Any way I could find an MB and processor that fit my requirements for less than $100?

Wow, that's a tight budget. You may want to wait a bit until you can afford about twice that for a nice dual-core 939 combo. If you need something new right now, here's what you can get for 100 bones:

ASRock K8Upgrade-NF3
AMD Sempron 64 3000+ Palermo 1.8GHz



Better to be nouveau than never to have been riche at all.
User currently offlineKaiGywer From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 12251 posts, RR: 35
Reply 7, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2002 times:
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FORUM MODERATOR

Get a Mac

Signed,
Klaus



911, where is your emergency?
User currently offlineWaterpolodan From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1649 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 1979 times:

Quoting AC773 (Reply 6):
Wow, that's a tight budget. You may want to wait a bit until you can afford about twice that for a nice dual-core 939 combo. If you need something new right now, here's what you can get for 100 bones:

Ok, I was just throwing 100 bucks out there to be cheap, but if there is something around 200 dollars or so that would give me a fantastic hi performance MB/Processor combo that would work with my RAM and my gfx card, and if it is relatively easy to install yourself, I'd love to hear some suggestions!


User currently offlineAC773 From Canada, joined Nov 2005, 1730 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 1975 times:

Quoting Waterpolodan (Reply 8):
I'd love to hear some suggestions!

Sure! Here's what I have in mind:

AMD Athlon 64 X2 4200+ Manchester 2.2GHz
ASUS A8V-MX Socket 939 VIA K8M800

At around $230 it's a little over your budget, but it's compatible with all your other stuff and that proc's no slouch. And for $20 more, you could get:

ASRock 939Dual-VSTA Socket 939 ULi M1695

It costs a bit more, but it has an AGP and a PCI Express x16 slot. That way, you won't have to get a new board if you want to upgrade to a faster graphics card down the line.

As far as self-installation, it should be cake for you. You put your existing computer together, and there's not really much difference to this.



Better to be nouveau than never to have been riche at all.
User currently offlineTmatt95 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2005, 489 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 1956 times:

Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 7):
Get a Mac

Signed,
Klaus

This would not be a genuine a.nut computer help thread without the above quote somewhere in it  Silly.

Quoting AC773 (Reply 9):


If you have the money I agree with what AC773 has put. I have yet to hear a bad comment about AMD and their processor range.  Smile

Matt


User currently offlineStrasserB From Singapore, joined Nov 2005, 1541 posts, RR: 7
Reply 11, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 1952 times:

Quoting Tmatt95 (Reply 10):
This would not be a genuine a.nut computer help thread without the above quote somewhere in it

This thread would be much more appealing the a.nutters community when Airbus and Boeing are going to supply motherboards (like MBA380 or MBB747) and all this other rubbish.



Still, even in the most arid desert is an airport somewhere ...
User currently offlineTmatt95 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2005, 489 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 1941 times:

Quoting StrasserB (Reply 11):
This thread would be much more appealing the a.nutters community when Airbus and Boeing are going to supply motherboards (like MBA380 or MBB747) and all this other rubbish.

 Wow!  no  There are enough "A V's B" battles in the computer world such as:
Mac vs Windows Vs Linux
Intel Vs AMD
Dell Lovers/ Dell neigh sayers etc
We dont want to add motherboards to the list as well  Silly
Matt


User currently offlineWSOY From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 1937 times:

Quoting AC773 (Reply 4):
Quoting WSOY (Reply 1):
Asrock is one mfg that offers Socket A + AGP cards as new, btw

I think you mean motherboards, as ASRock doesn't make graphics cards.

I think so too, only I wrote "cards" pro "boards" due to my foreign influence.
Sorry everyone.
Anyway, seeing through my list I see thus:

Socket A school
ASROCK S.A NF2 ULTRA 6CH SATA RAID @ EUR 42.90
ASROCK SIS741GX,SOCKA,DDR333,VGA64,MATX @ EUR 40.00

Socket 939 school

ASROCK S939 ATX 7.1LYD PCI-E/AGP8X SATA2 @ EUR 54.90
The cheapest S939 I see is AMD ATHLON 64 3000+ S939 BOX VENICE @ EUR 64.95

 Smile


User currently offlineGo3Team From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3267 posts, RR: 16
Reply 14, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 1914 times:

Usually one would start with a clean slate, doing a format, and clean install of the OS when adding that much stuff to the computer. I would do that before spending money.


Yay Pudding!
User currently offlineWaterpolodan From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1649 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 1910 times:

Quoting AC773 (Reply 9):
As far as self-installation, it should be cake for you. You put your existing computer together, and there's not really much difference to this.

Thanks for the suggestions, that processor looks like a sweet bit of work. My brother actually built the PC for me, but after various problems over the last couple years I've gotten very familiar with all the inner workings, so I'm sure I could install a MB/processor myself, but would I need to reinstall windows? Computers can be such a dangerous thing to get into, now I'm looking at all these $300 graphics cards and dual core processors, trying to justify them in my mind...  Smile


User currently offlineAC773 From Canada, joined Nov 2005, 1730 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 1898 times:

Quoting Waterpolodan (Reply 15):
My brother actually built the PC for me, but after various problems over the last couple years I've gotten very familiar with all the inner workings, so I'm sure I could install a MB/processor myself

My advice would be to talk to your brother about it. Building your own PC is pretty easy, but there are still plenty of opportunities to fry your equipment or mess somthing up.

Quoting Waterpolodan (Reply 15):
but would I need to reinstall windows?

Absolutely. Any motherboard change pretty much requires it. Besides, it's recommended to do a clean install of Windows once a year to keep things snappy. Something tells me you're past due.  Smile

Quoting Waterpolodan (Reply 15):
now I'm looking at all these $300 graphics cards and dual core processors, trying to justify them in my mind...

As they say in the pro audio world, sorry about your wallet.  biggrin 



Better to be nouveau than never to have been riche at all.
User currently offlineWSOY From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 1890 times:

Quoting AC773 (Reply 16):
Quoting Waterpolodan (Reply 15):
but would I need to reinstall windows?

Absolutely. Any motherboard change pretty much requires it

Well, actually it does not require it as such. You can install on top or "repair" any Windows installation by booting from the CD (but hit no "Repair" as you'd expect, just continue and you'll be asked whether you want to repair the existing installation). The installation will nag when it's finished and booting up, you will then have to call the MS people by phone and tell them you have replaced your motherboard, and you'll get a new activation number. Been there more than a couple of times.

[Edited 2006-10-13 19:36:04]

User currently offlineAC773 From Canada, joined Nov 2005, 1730 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 1867 times:

Quoting WSOY (Reply 17):
Been there more than a couple of times.

I haven't, thankfully. I have an "educational" version of Win XP Pro from my college. Not only was it free, but it came with unlimited licenses. I've completely lost track of how many I've used over the past year, but let's just say it was "a lot".  Wink



Better to be nouveau than never to have been riche at all.
User currently offlineAC888YOW From Canada, joined Jan 2005, 535 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (7 years 11 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 1810 times:

- Ensure you're using the latest and greatest video drivers from Nvidia.com, duh.

- Check your BIOS settings to ensure AGP is enabled and set to it's fastest setting.

- Ensure you're using the latest chipset drivers. Intel.com explains how, and if you need them you can download a "Chipset Installation Utility".


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