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Father Of School Shooter Arrested  
User currently offlineJohnboy79 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 42 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 1919 times:

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/us/A...ool-Shooting.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

"JOPLIN, Mo. (AP) -- The father of a 13-year-old who fired a shot inside his school in a bloodless shooting was arrested Thursday and charged with being a felon in possession of a gun, authorities said.

He has two felony convictions on his record: one for burglary in Florida and one for possession of a controlled substance in California, said Marino Vidoli, assistant special agent from the Kansas City office of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.

Police found five rifles, two shotguns and one pistol during their search of White's home Monday, Vidoli said."


Can someone tell me how, with background checks, a convicted felon can own so many guns?

Another reason to ban them..... duck 


Rock Chalk Jayhawk
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User currently offlineFumanchewd From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 1919 times:

Quoting Johnboy79 (Thread starter):
Can someone tell me how, with background checks, a convicted felon can own so many guns?

Its called the Classifieds or gun shows.

He's going away for a long time. When a felon gets caught with a gun, the feds get involved, and he'll do at least 5 years in the federal pen.


User currently offlineShyFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1844 times:

Quoting Johnboy79 (Thread starter):
Can someone tell me how, with background checks, a convicted felon can own so many guns?

Laws only keep the honest people honest.


User currently offlineAirCop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1824 times:

Quoting Johnboy79 (Thread starter):
Can someone tell me how, with background checks, a convicted felon can own so many guns?



Quoting Fumanchewd (Reply 1):
Its called the Classifieds or gun shows.

Or just buying them on the street, or in this case maybe stealing them. (Prior conviction for Burglary)

Lets face it background checks etc are nothing more than a feel good solution.

Quoting Johnboy79 (Thread starter):
Another reason to ban them..... duck

Don't think you wanted to go there.

And by the way welcome to the adventures of A.net

[Edited 2006-10-14 04:10:13]

User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1819 times:

Quoting Johnboy79 (Thread starter):
Another reason to ban them.....  duck 

First off - Horseshit.

Quoting Johnboy79 (Thread starter):
Can someone tell me how, with background checks, a convicted felon can own so many guns?

I can go to downtown Anchorage - or downtown anywhere, or suburbia anywhere, or middle of nowhere - and get a gun today.

No Gun ban is going to solve that problem. The illegal weapons will still be out there.

That's all I'll say in yet another BAN THE GUNS thread posted by the ignorant out of ignorance . . .


User currently offlineQueso From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 1800 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 4):
That's all I'll say in yet another BAN THE GUNS thread posted by the ignorant out of ignorance . . .

Pretty dramatic entrance for only two posts!

Welcome to A.net.



Edited to smooth off the edges.

[Edited 2006-10-14 05:03:58]

User currently offlineAa757first From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3350 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 1798 times:

Quoting Johnboy79 (Thread starter):

Can someone tell me how, with background checks, a convicted felon can own so many guns?

Can you tell me how, with the DEA and police, methamphetamine is floating around America?

He got them illegally under these laws and he would have gotten them illegally no matter what laws were on the books.

AAndrew


User currently offlineShakeZulaNJ From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1773 times:

There will always to be criminal activity. Not amount of regulation is going to stop that from happening. And as long as the 2nd amendment stands, guns will never be banned. Good luck trying to revoke that.

I, myself, have never held nor even seen a gun in person. I probably never will, and more than likely will never own one. But if I do, then I'm going to be a responsible person about owning and using it.


User currently offlineShowerOfSparks From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1768 times:

Quoting Johnboy79 (Thread starter):
Another reason to ban them.....

Couldn't agree more, we should ban felons and execute them.

Oh and liberals as well  Smile


User currently offlineSaxdiva From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 2382 posts, RR: 41
Reply 9, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1760 times:

Quoting Johnboy79 (Thread starter):
Another reason to ban them.....

Uh-huh. You're new around here, aren't you?  Yeah sure


User currently offlineWukka From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 1017 posts, RR: 16
Reply 10, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1693 times:

Quoting ShowerOfSparks (Reply 8):
Couldn't agree more, we should ban felons and execute them.

Oh and liberals as well

Nice one!  thumbsup 



We can agree to disagree.
User currently offlineNkops From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2665 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1656 times:

Quoting Johnboy79 (Thread starter):
Can someone tell me how, with background checks, a convicted felon can own so many guns?

So you think someone can't buy them illegally off the street?? Let me take you to Camden NJ, you can pretty much get what you want.

What we should try to ban is stupid parents like the one above.



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User currently offlineBoeing Nut From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 1645 times:

Quoting Johnboy79 (Thread starter):
Can someone tell me how, with background checks, a convicted felon can own so many guns?

Another reason to ban them.....

As the old saying goes, guns don't kill people....

Quoting ShowerOfSparks (Reply 8):
Couldn't agree more, we should ban felons and execute them.

Now THAT would be constructive!

Quoting Queso (Reply 5):

I'm sure that pic has been posted many times here on A.net, but it's the first time for me. I found that absolutely freaking hilarious!!  bigthumbsup 


User currently offlineCharlienorth From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 1122 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 1628 times:

Maybe if we had better "truth in sentencing laws" this mope would have still been behind bars,as far as gun bans go I would only give mine up if the police and military would give them up too..it's only logical right? The gun ban crowd says crime would stop...oh brother

User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 1626 times:

Quoting Boeing Nut (Reply 12):
As the old saying goes, guns don't kill people....

...people with guns kill people.


User currently offlineConfuscius From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 3863 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 1619 times:

"As the old saying goes, guns don't kill people...."

"...people with guns kill people."




Not really, bullet(s) kill people.



Ain't I a stinker?
User currently offlineEWRCabincrew From United States of America, joined May 2006, 5523 posts, RR: 56
Reply 16, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 1615 times:

Always wanted to know where the parents all were when these kids go on shooting sprees.

Why the hell don't parents have more control/knowledge/access/accountability/involvement with their kids lives? Parents should sure as hell take part of the blame for this. Just like parents who let their kids have computers in their rooms and not out in the open so parents can keep an eye on what they do on the internet. If you don't want the involvement in your child's life, should have thought about it more when you were doing the deed to make them.

Banning guns isn't the answer. But making parents more culpable and liable is a good way to start.



You can't cure stupid
User currently offlineShyFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 1603 times:

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 14):
...people with guns kill people.

...people with beer kill people.
...people with cars kill people.
...people with aircraft kill people.
...people with knives kill people.
...people with axes kill people.
...people with chainsaws kill people.
...people with bows & arrows kill people.
...people with bedsheets kill people.

Hell, if I thought about it enough, and with the proper motivation, I could probably kill someone with my farts.


User currently offlineEWRCabincrew From United States of America, joined May 2006, 5523 posts, RR: 56
Reply 18, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 1580 times:

Quoting ShyFlyer (Reply 17):
I could probably kill someone with my farts

I have come close, myself.



You can't cure stupid
User currently offlineQueso From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 1554 times:

Quoting Boeing Nut (Reply 12):
Quoting Queso (Reply 5):


I'm sure that pic has been posted many times here on A.net, but it's the first time for me. I found that absolutely freaking hilarious!!

It was my pleasure! I save that picture for only the most fitting of occasions, and I thought Johnboy79's threadstarter was a particularly good match for it.


User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13116 posts, RR: 12
Reply 20, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 1512 times:

The parent of this minor was a convicted felon and not allowed to possess any weapons with him or in his home. In this case, it was easy to arrest this particular wayward parent (I mean the guy served serious jail time, so what kind of parent was he in the first place?).
Still, the owner of the gun or the adult occupant (as named owner or named renter) where the guns were sourced from for a crime like this should also be put into jail for allowing their use as an accessory. There have been cases where minors in shooting acts in schools and on the street have broken into or got access to the keys for where their parent(s) stored the guns and ammo. Even where that is done, the parent should go to jail as they are responsible for any gun from their property. In any event, they should also face civil liability and lose their house and any assets for their acts of omission.


User currently offlineIlikeyyc From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1373 posts, RR: 20
Reply 21, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 1496 times:

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 20):
There have been cases where minors in shooting acts in schools and on the street have broken into or got access to the keys for where their parent(s) stored the guns and ammo. Even where that is done, the parent should go to jail as they are responsible for any gun from their property. In any event, they should also face civil liability and lose their house and any assets for their acts of omission.

I think that is a bit excessive. How is it that the parent should be responsible when the parent has made an effort to lock up the guns and the child has made a deliberate effort to contravine the actions of the parent? That is like saying you should go to jail if your kid steals the spare key to your car, takes the car without you knowing and causes an accident that kills someone else.



Fighting Absurdity with Absurdity!
User currently offlineDuff44 From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 1723 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 1483 times:

Quoting Boeing Nut (Reply 12):
As the old saying goes, guns don't kill people...




 rotfl 



I'll rassle ya for a bowl of bacon!
User currently offlineCanuckpaxguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (7 years 11 months 2 weeks ago) and read 1447 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 4):

No Gun ban is going to solve that problem. The illegal weapons will still be out there. . .

So then, are you suggesting NO action should be taken at all?

Using that logic, why make ANY laws? Why ban drugs? Why ban rape? People are still going to find drugs and people. Do you think it's a GOOD thing that you can do to downtown Anchorage, or anywhere else and pick up a firearm with ease?

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 4):

... yet another BAN THE GUNS thread posted by the ignorant out of ignorance . . .

I find it wholly ironic that you'd make a comment like the one above and then accuse OTHERS of ignorance.

Many people feel QUITE strongly about guns in society. Even though a simple ban won't end the problem, it would AT LEAST be a step in the right direction. While I am well aware this problem won't be solved overnight, even a small and arguably symbollic gesture towards finding a solution is a GOOD thing.

The desire to ban guns is NOT ignorant.
I foolishly expected a bit better from you ANC.

G


User currently offlineCharlienorth From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 1122 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (7 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 1440 times:

A small and symbolic gesture that would violate the 2nd Amendmant to the Constitution,do that and that gives the ability to change or nullify the others,how about keeping the thugs off the streets,how about not releasing them on a technicality,no time for good behavior or religious conversion,too many of these judges are from the side that doesn't want honest,law abiding citizens to own firearms.

25 Post contains images Ilikeyyc : BS. You can't compare them. Owning a gun is a constitutionally protected right in this country. Rape and drugs are not. The "ban on drugs" is a perfe
26 Canuckpaxguy : Ok, I can see your point to some extent. So what's the answer? Assuming we can all agree that guns are a problem, what would you suggest happen in or
27 Queso : Incorrect assumption, invalidating the rest of your argument.[Edited 2006-10-16 00:05:04]
28 Canuckpaxguy : It wasn't an argument. It was a question. I was hoping for a real answer. If you honestly believe there is no problem with guns in society, then the
29 Post contains images Queso : You're missing the point. The problem is not with the guns, it's with the people using them incorrectly.
30 ANCFlyer : Gun Ban action - NO. Put this assmonkey in jail for violating the law - YES. Why? Anyone thinking a ban on guns would have prevented this CONVICTED F
31 Post contains images Galapagapop : Whether he's a convict or not, the parents that have kids get ahold of weapons and do stuff like this should be arrested anyway. But alas its not hard
32 Canuckpaxguy : I got that Queso. I understand ANC's point too. I don't agree with it, but I don't have to. The way I see it, you can only react once the guns are us
33 Aa757first : Background checks, mandatory gun safety courses before you buy your first gun, registering the gun and showing proof that you had a safe and secure p
34 ANCFlyer : Start with a serious, thorough background check. I don't mean this silly assed check they have now, I mean all the way live - as if you're trying to
35 Ilikeyyc : The answer is, as ANCFlyer points out, is that there is nothing that can be done to keep people 100% safe from guns. Whether guns are banned or not,
36 Charlienorth : Tougher sentencing for gun crimes.
37 MDorBust : He's a burglar, you figure it out.
38 AAden : agreed If you want to stop school shootings we should probably start teaching kids to respect one another? hmm just maybe....
39 Post contains links Queso : We'd solve a helluva lot of problems if we did that, like robbery, rape, murder, carjackings, road rage, air rage, cutting in line at the grocery sto
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