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2012 Olympic Schedule Said To Clash With Fasting  
User currently offlineAerospaceFan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (8 years 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 2383 times:

The current schedule for the 2012 Olympics to be held in London puts adherents of certain faiths at a disadvantage because they are religiously required to fast during daytime hours for the entire period, a recent news report says.

A human rights activist claiming to speak for members of such faiths has demanded that the schedule be changed in sensitivity to the needs of athletes who would be weakened because of the fast.

The British Olympic Committee intends to discuss the matter with Olympic organizers, according to the story.

For more information, please see:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/liv..._article_id=410439&in_page_id=1770

[Edited 2006-10-15 19:36:08]

36 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineAeroflot777 From Russia, joined Mar 2004, 3011 posts, RR: 26
Reply 1, posted (8 years 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 2356 times:

I agree that this is a huge problem. Fasting is an important part of many various religions. They are going to have to deal with it in some way or another. Let's see what happens though.

Aeroflot777


User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21701 posts, RR: 55
Reply 2, posted (8 years 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 2343 times:

Surprisingly, this is one of the more legitimate beefs that the Islamic world has come up with of late.

However, I do believe that Islam carries a provision that you can eat during the day if it is necessary for you to do so, and if you make up the missed days at another time in the year. I don't think it's that big of an issue from the athletes' standpoint.

The fans' standpoint, however, I do understand. It would be nice if they could change it for that, but the organizing committee has their own logistical problems, and something is probably going to have to give at some point.

-Mir



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User currently offlineJwenting From Netherlands, joined Apr 2001, 10213 posts, RR: 19
Reply 3, posted (8 years 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 2343 times:

tough luck.
I seriously doubt Iran would change the schedule to accommodate Christians, for example by not holding events on sunday and during other periods there's normally church services.

But by 2012 the UK will likely be a muslim theocracy anyway so it hardly matters.



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User currently offlineAerospaceFan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (8 years 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 2341 times:

Quoting Jwenting (Reply 3):
But by 2012 the UK will likely be a muslim theocracy anyway so it hardly matters.

I take it you're being sardonic!


User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 984 posts, RR: 51
Reply 5, posted (8 years 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2315 times:

Quoting Mir (Reply 2):
Surprisingly, this is one of the more legitimate beefs that the Islamic world has come up with of late.

I agree. The Olympics should not force athletes to choose between their religious practices and their loyalty to their national sports teams.

It also goes to show that you don't need to burn an embassy, kill a journalist, or throw stones at a McDonalds to a make a point.


User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (8 years 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2301 times:

Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 4):
I take it you're being sardonic!

He isn't. Jwenting enjoys his role as our resident tin-foil-hat-wearing loony who lives in constant fear of anything that is foreign or different from himself. We tend not to take him too seriously though  Smile


User currently offlineAerospaceFan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (8 years 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2289 times:

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 6):
He isn't. Jwenting enjoys his role as our resident tin-foil-hat-wearing loony who lives in constant fear of anything that is foreign or different from himself.

Well, between all of us A.Netters here in this Forum, it's no wonder that the price of tinfoil is so high, then!

 Big grin


User currently offlineArt From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 3382 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (8 years 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 2275 times:

Well, the organisers could be sensitive and schedule Olympic activities at times that would not impinge on the religious sensitivities of competitors:

By avoiding Ramadan
By avoiding Friday (day of the mosque)
By avoiding Saturday (Jewish Sabbath)
By avoiding Sunday (Christian day of rest)
By avoiding all other days of the week which are special/sacred in any other religions

Then there is the gender element to deal with:

Organise same sex mixed doubles badminton (for example) Smile
In the interest of fairness to swimming competitors, oblige all female swimmers to be covered from neck to ankle. Oh, and oblige them to wear a veil, too. Smile

Alernatively, the organisers could take the view that the Olympics are by nature sporting, not religious, in character and open to all who wish to compete.


User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (8 years 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 2271 times:

The entire Olympics became a bit of a joke when they gave them to the communist, human-rights-abusing Chinese.

User currently offlineQueso From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (8 years 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 2268 times:

Quoting AerospaceFan (Thread starter):
The current schedule for the 2012 Olympics to be held in London puts adherents of certain faiths at a disadvantage because they are religiously required to fast during daytime hours for the entire period, a recent news report says.

A human rights activist claiming to speak for members of such faiths has demanded that the schedule be changed in sensitivity to the needs of athletes who would be weakened because of the fast.

There's always Barber College or Truck-Driving school. If they don't like it they can find something else to do, like get a job.


User currently offlineKaddyuk From Wallis and Futuna, joined Nov 2001, 4126 posts, RR: 25
Reply 11, posted (8 years 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 2263 times:

Quoting 777236ER (Reply 9):
The entire Olympics became a bit of a joke when they gave them to the communist, human-rights-abusing Chinese.

They've been a joke for alot longer than that!



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User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (8 years 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2231 times:

Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 7):
Well, between all of us A.Netters here in this Forum, it's no wonder that the price of tinfoil is so high, then!

Pardon ? What was that ? I couldn't hear you, the tin foil is blocking the mind-control space lasers by which you communicate  biggrin 


I think the point here should be that the Olympics is VOLUNTARY - the athletes can choose simply not to fast. I'm sure God won't mind, and who else is gonna know (or care ?).


User currently offlinePyrex From Portugal, joined Aug 2005, 4025 posts, RR: 28
Reply 13, posted (8 years 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2223 times:

Quoting AerospaceFan (Thread starter):
religiously required to fast during daytime hours for the entire period

There is no such thing as a "religious requirement", since professing a religion and how you do it is something completely voluntary (at least in the UK, where the Olympics will take place).



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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26619 posts, RR: 75
Reply 14, posted (8 years 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2210 times:

Quoting AerospaceFan (Thread starter):

Why are you using a rag like the Mail anyway?

Islam does have an exception to Ramadan for those who are travelling (as most Moslem competitors will be) and for those who are undergoing high physical stress (athletes). Hakeem Olajuwon unnecesessarily fasted during his NBA career, but these Olympians should be able to recognize this as an exception.



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User currently offlineMCIGuy From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 1936 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (8 years 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2187 times:

I say "tough", Islam will have to adjust, the world shouldn't be made to adjust for Islam. No special considerations for one religion, they're not "special".


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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26619 posts, RR: 75
Reply 16, posted (8 years 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2177 times:

Quoting MCIGuy (Reply 15):
I say "tough", Islam will have to adjust, the world shouldn't be made to adjust for Islam. No special considerations for one religion, they're not "special".

The world adjusts to other religions all the time.



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User currently offlineMCIGuy From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 1936 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (8 years 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2170 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 16):
The world adjusts to other religions all the time.

Really, citation?
Moses said Jews aren't supposed to do much on Sunday. Will Israel demand that no events be held on Sundays?



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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26619 posts, RR: 75
Reply 18, posted (8 years 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2170 times:

Quoting MCIGuy (Reply 17):
Really, citation?

You ever go out on Christmas?



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User currently offlineMCIGuy From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 1936 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (8 years 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2160 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 18):
Quoting MCIGuy (Reply 17):
Really, citation?

You ever go out on Christmas?

Sure, what few businesses are open on Christmas. But then, Christianity doesn't mandate that we do nothing on Christmas but celebrate Jesus' percieved birthday so, bad example. If the Winter Games were held somewhere where Christmas isn't celebrated, I have a feeling they wouldn't ask everyone else to adjust and they'd go ahead and compete on 12/25.

[Edited 2006-10-15 23:28:02]


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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26619 posts, RR: 75
Reply 20, posted (8 years 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2152 times:

Quoting MCIGuy (Reply 19):
If the Winter Games were held somewhere where Christmas isn't celebrated, I have a feeling they wouldn't ask everyone else to adjust and they'd go ahead and compete on 12/25.

Then you are naive.



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User currently offlineQR332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (8 years 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2150 times:

Quoting Mir (Reply 2):
However, I do believe that Islam carries a provision that you can eat during the day if it is necessary for you to do so, and if you make up the missed days at another time in the year. I don't think it's that big of an issue from the athletes' standpoint.

You can't skip fasting and redo it whenever you feel like it, you need a legitimate reason such as needing to take medication, travelling long distances, etc. It is a big problem for both fans and athletes.

Quoting Jwenting (Reply 3):
tough luck.
I seriously doubt Iran would change the schedule to accommodate Christians, for example by not holding events on sunday and during other periods there's normally church services.

Iran is not representitive of the Muslim world.

Quoting Art (Reply 8):
Alernatively, the organisers could take the view that the Olympics are by nature sporting, not religious, in character and open to all who wish to compete.

But there are huge amounts of Muslim athletes, and alienating them because Ramadan clashes with the Olympics goes against the spirit of the Olympics.

Quoting MCIGuy (Reply 15):
I say "tough", Islam will have to adjust, the world shouldn't be made to adjust for Islam. No special considerations for one religion, they're not "special".

Excuse me? What, just because their Muslims, their beliefs don't matter anymore? There is nothing wrong with adjusting to suit other's beliefs to a certain extent, when hundreds of athletes would be disadvantaged at the Olympics because of their timings, then you know that something has to be done.

Quoting MCIGuy (Reply 19):
Sure, what few businesses are open on Christmas. But then, Christianity doesn't mandate that we do nothing on Christmas but celebrate Jesus' percieved birthday so, bad example. If the Winter Games were held somewhere where Christmas isn't celebrated, I have a feeling they wouldn't ask everyone else to adjust and they'd go ahead and compete on 12/25.

No player would be disadvantaged during Christmas, during Ramadan, athletes wouldn't even be able to drink water.

Quoting N1120A (Reply 20):
Then you are naive.

 yes 


User currently offlineMCIGuy From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 1936 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (8 years 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2145 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 20):
Then you are naive.

Now that's rich!  rotfl 



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User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (8 years 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 2141 times:

Quoting MCIGuy (Reply 17):
Moses said Jews aren't supposed to do much on Sunday. Will Israel demand that no events be held on Sundays?

Technically, Jewish Sabbath is on Saturdays (well, Friday sunset to Saturday sunset). But it's a valid point. The same could be said of devout Christians running on a Sunday. Did you see "Chariots of Fire" ? Part of the story revolved around a deeply religious Christian runner who refused to compete in the final of his event because it was held on a Sunday. IIRC he didn't run, he didn't win, oh well, never mind - LOOOOO-ZEERRRRR !  biggrin 


User currently offlineMCIGuy From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 1936 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (8 years 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 2125 times:

Quoting QR332 (Reply 21):
Excuse me? What, just because their Muslims, their beliefs don't matter anymore? There is nothing wrong with adjusting to suit other's beliefs to a certain extent, when hundreds of athletes would be disadvantaged at the Olympics because of their timings, then you know that something has to be done.

I'm sorry, I know no such thing!
I didn't say that because they're Muslim that they don't matter, but by the same token, it seems that many in Islam feel that it needs special treatment. It seems that they feel that Islam is the only important religion in the world and that we should "make way for Islam". I say no, it's all or nothing. Everyone gets special treatment or no one does. No, I think Jewish athletes would compete on Saturday and Christian athletes would compete on Christmas. If accomodations were made for all world religions, we might as well call off the Olympics altogether.



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25 Post contains images RobertNL070 : If I am not mistaken, in 1980 the month of Ramadan began around 14th July and the Moscow Olympics began on 19th July. Despite the US lead boycot of th
26 QR332 : What is this treatment that you keep talking about? If you want the "special" treatment we've apparantly been getting, please, take it away and keep
27 MCIGuy : My point is that the IOC is not a religious organisation and NO consideration should be made for religion, Islam or other. If Muslim athletes don't wa
28 AerospaceFan : I have no opinion on this matter. I hope that the IOC and BOC make a decision and stick with it, either way. At this point, the Olympics aren't import
29 Photopilot : I'm sorry, but I say FORGET IT. Athletics, be they the Olympics or otherwise are Secular and not religious events. What happens with Fasting Periods (
30 Art : The spirit of the modern Olympics is one of uniting sportsmen and sportswomen in entirely secular competition. While I sympathise with those who obse
31 Post contains images Mir : Well, here's a legitimate reason: you're competing in an athletic endeavour that requires you to get proper nutrition. Or you're travelling long dist
32 Halls120 : The Olympics lost their luster a long time ago. Between allowing professional athletes to compete, the bribes accepted for getting the winning bid, a
33 Xwizard : Close....so no biscuit for you!! Plot Summary for Chariots of Fire (1981) (courtesy of IMDB) The story, told in flashback, of two young British sprin
34 Post contains images ANCFlyer : Schedule the Olympics at a time agreed upon by IOC . . . Althletes show up or they don't. Athletes participate or they don't. Wonder if they'll have O
35 LTBEWR : This was a serious mistake in planning by the London Olympic Committee. I would assume they didn't include persons of the Islamic faith on their commi
36 Galapagapop : That's simply a figurehead for the season. Its been a celebration time for centuries in dozens of cultures, Christian or not and as it be with the Ro
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