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Chavez Loses UN Security Council Bid  
User currently offlineLuisde8cd From Pitcairn Islands, joined Aug 2004, 2575 posts, RR: 31
Posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 1928 times:

After saying he had more than 150 secure votes in the UN, Chavez has received only 76 votes compared to the 109 votes that Guatemala got.

Nonetheless, Guatemala's votes falls short of the 124 needed to win the seat. A round of diplomacy is expected during the day in order to secure the 13 votes that Guatemala needs to get the seat.

The International community has given Chavez a strong message and a embarrasing defeat.

Saludos desde Caracas,
Luis

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User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 1927 times:

Quoting Luisde8cd (Thread starter):
The International community has given Chavez a strong message and a embarrasing defeat.

Still leaves 76 countries in the world who are led by complete wackos.


User currently offlineAirCop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 1914 times:

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 1):
Still leaves 76 countries in the world who are led by complete wackos.

Wackos that would have taken the money promised by Chavez and spend it on themselves and not their countries.


User currently offlineCarmenlu15 From Guatemala, joined Dec 2004, 4763 posts, RR: 30
Reply 3, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 1904 times:

Quoting Luisde8cd (Thread starter):
After saying he had more than 150 secure votes in the UN, Chavez has received only 76 votes compared to the 109 votes that Guatemala got.

No comment, other than Big grin Big grin Big grin Big grin Big grin



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User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 1857 times:

I want to see the list of countries who voted for Venezuela. Obviously North Korea, Zimbabwe and Iran voted for them, but out of 76 countries who need a whack upside the head, I want to know how many supposed "allies" voted for them.

Anyone have the list?


User currently offlineSearpqx From Netherlands, joined Jun 2000, 4344 posts, RR: 10
Reply 5, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1819 times:

Latest news has the sixth vote a tie, with Guatemala losing votes and Venezuela gaining. The analysis is that it isn't so much a case as Venezuela getting closer to winning as it is an indication that these two are deadlocked and a third party consensus candidate needs to emerge.

Be interesting to see what the next vote shows.



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User currently offlineDerico From Argentina, joined Dec 1999, 4318 posts, RR: 11
Reply 6, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1818 times:

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 4):
want to see the list of countries who voted for Venezuela. Obviously North Korea, Zimbabwe and Iran voted for them, but out of 76 countries who need a whack upside the head, I want to know how many supposed "allies" voted for them.

Anyone have the list?

I can tell you Brazil and Argentina voted for Venezuela, but mostly out of alliegence to a MERCOSUR member, and a bit of opposition to the United States, than real support for Chavez.



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User currently offlineFumanchewd From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1806 times:

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 4):
I want to see the list of countries who voted for Venezuela. Obviously North Korea, Zimbabwe and Iran voted for them, but out of 76 countries who need a whack upside the head, I want to know how many supposed "allies" voted for them.

Anyone have the list?

I'm sure Congo is in there.


User currently offlineMCIGuy From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 1936 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1797 times:

Quoting Derico (Reply 6):
I can tell you Brazil and Argentina voted for Venezuela, but mostly out of alliegence to a MERCOSUR member, and a bit of opposition to the United States, than real support for Chavez.

Don't forget where the UN is located. We could easily drop out and send them packing. Maybe a new civilian alliance, along NATO lines?

VERY good news, BTW.   

[Edited 2006-10-17 03:15:18]


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User currently offlineDerico From Argentina, joined Dec 1999, 4318 posts, RR: 11
Reply 9, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 1782 times:

Quoting MCIGuy (Reply 8):
Don't forget where the UN is located. We could easily drop out and send them packing. Maybe a new civilian alliance, along NATO lines?

I'm not sure what you meant.

As I understand it, the UN is technically not United States's territory, but I would suspect that if the bottom fellout of US-UN relations, I guess they could be forced to move. And I know some of the grievances the US has about the UN, I understand why those feelings might exist (though not all).

As for the effect, the UN is about as useful to Argentina as an improvement Turkmenistan-Uzbek relations. Argentina gets n-a-d-a out of the UN. The UN gets I would suspect millions in dues, and also by far the most military troops from any nation in Latin America for peacekeeping operations in Bosnia, Kosovo, Cyprus, Ecuador-Peru, and Haiti, where in fact there is active military operations and an Argentine chopper went down not long ago killing six soldiers. They need us more than we do them.



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User currently offlineLuisde8cd From Pitcairn Islands, joined Aug 2004, 2575 posts, RR: 31
Reply 10, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 1774 times:

Quoting Searpqx (Reply 5):
Latest news has the sixth vote a tie, with Guatemala losing votes and Venezuela gaining. The analysis is that it isn't so much a case as Venezuela getting closer to winning as it is an indication that these two are deadlocked and a third party consensus candidate needs to emerge.

The 10th vote gave Guatemala 110 votes against just 74 of Venezuela. Guatemala retains the lead and is ready to continue fighting for the seat. Voting resumes tomorrow morning.

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 4):
Anyone have the list?

MERCOSUR, Caribbean islands (nations that bend over to Chavez for a couple barrels of discounted oil), Iran, North Korea, Angola, Syria, Belarus, Russia, China, Lebannon, Vietnam, Laos, Algeria.

Saludos desde Caracas,
Luis


User currently offlineSearpqx From Netherlands, joined Jun 2000, 4344 posts, RR: 10
Reply 11, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 1770 times:

Quoting Luisde8cd (Reply 10):
The 10th vote gave Guatemala 110 votes against just 74 of Venezuela. Guatemala retains the lead and is ready to continue fighting for the seat. Voting resumes tomorrow morning.

Glad to see its swung back the other way - sounds like it'll go to Guatemala.



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User currently offlineMCIGuy From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 1936 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 1764 times:

Quoting Derico (Reply 9):
As I understand it, the UN is technically not United States's territory, but I would suspect that if the bottom fellout of US-UN relations, I guess they could be forced to move. And I know some of the grievances the US has about the UN, I understand why those feelings might exist (though not all).

Yeah, think it's mainly Chinese and Russian obstructionism that bothers us most.



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User currently offlineSoyuzavia From Australia, joined Jun 2005, 606 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 1727 times:
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Quoting MCIGuy (Reply 12):
Yeah, think it's mainly Chinese and Russian obstructionism that bothers us most.

Obstructionism? Obstructing what exactly? The American plans and goals for the world? Get over it people. Russia and China have a right to do as they please, and if that means that they want to stand up to American hegemony, then so be it.

Not only is this a 'loss' for Venezuela, but it is also a loss for the US. Many reports have quoted different UN ambassadors as saying that Guatemala could have easily won the seat with no problems, but it was US lobbying on behalf of Guatemala that caused the current impasse.

Quoting Luisde8cd (Reply 10):
MERCOSUR, Caribbean islands (nations that bend over to Chavez for a couple barrels of discounted oil), Iran, North Korea, Angola, Syria, Belarus, Russia, China, Lebannon, Vietnam, Laos, Algeria.

And don't forget most of Africa, and probably half of Asia.


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