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Bush Prepares To Launch October Suprise?  
User currently offlineArtieFufkin From United States of America, joined May 2006, 704 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 3248 times:

First the political situation in the US.

"Some Republican strategists are increasingly upset with what they consider the overconfidence of President Bush and his senior advisers about the midterm elections November 7 -- a concern aggravated by the president's news conference this week.

"They aren't even planning for if they lose," says a GOP insider who informally counsels the West Wing.

U.S. News and World Report
October 13, 2006

Now we have an armada headed to the Strait of Hormuz: arrival date Oct 21.

"The aircraft carrier Eisenhower, accompanied by the guided-missile cruiser USS Anzio, guided-missile destroyer USS Ramage, guided-missile destroyer USS Mason and the fast-attack submarine USS Newport News, is, as I write, making its way to the Straits of Hormuz off Iran. The ships will be in place to strike Iran by the end of the month. It may be a bluff. It may be a feint. It may be a simple show of American power. But I doubt it."

Chris Hedges
Does Bush Think War With Iran is Preordained?
October 10, 2006


Sadly, given Bush's record, it's not out of the realm of possibility for a bombing campaign to commence before the November elections. Timed to bolster his party's sagging election outlook.

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User currently offlineNkops From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2660 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 3237 times:

I don't think the Republicans have much of a shot during the mid-terms this year no matter what they do.

[Edited 2006-10-16 19:04:11]


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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21530 posts, RR: 55
Reply 2, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 3219 times:

I really don't see how that would help him. Until we get one war under control, it's unlikely people will appreciate getting involved in another. If we were planning to attack Iran we'd be hearing a lot more of the "evil" talk to pump us up. A spur of the moment thing isn't likely to have much effect.

-Mir



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User currently offlineMDorBust From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 3215 times:

As I said in the previous thread on this carrier group... when was the last time there wasn't a carrier group in the Gulf? Mid '80s maybe?

User currently offlineArtieFufkin From United States of America, joined May 2006, 704 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 3208 times:

Sorry Mdor

I didn't see your thread, otherwise I would have posted there.

I don't see this as a ground campaign at all. If it occurs at all it will be guided missiles and bombs on select nuclear facilities. These US military resources that are not being utilized for the most part in Iraq right now.


User currently offlineJetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7405 posts, RR: 50
Reply 5, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 3206 times:
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Quoting ArtieFufkin (Thread starter):
Bush Prepares To Launch October Suprise?

Hardly an October Surprise.

Quoting ArtieFufkin (Thread starter):
"The aircraft carrier Eisenhower, accompanied by the guided-missile cruiser USS Anzio, guided-missile destroyer USS Ramage, guided-missile destroyer USS Mason and the fast-attack submarine USS Newport News, is, as I write, making its way to the Straits of Hormuz off Iran. The ships will be in place to strike Iran by the end of the month. It may be a bluff. It may be a feint. It may be a simple show of American power. But I doubt it."

This isn't news Artie. We have been positioning Carrier Battle Groups in the Persian Gulf for 2 month periods since the late 1970's. In the 1990's, it was called Operation Southern Watch, to enforce the no-fly zone over Iraq, but it was also to keep an eye on the Iranians. So before you have an orgasm over a US News & World Report EDITORIAL, just bear in mind that this is SOP(Standard Operating Procedure). EVERY carrier deployment goes to the PG. This isn't news.

Quoting Nkops (Reply 1):
I don't think the Republicans have much of a shot during the mid-terms this year.

All it takes, is another Al Jazeera sponsored video by Bin Laden, Al Zawahiri, Amhadinejad or any other terrorist to shake the country back into reality. The Democrats are the ones walking the fine line.



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User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11617 posts, RR: 60
Reply 6, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 3206 times:

Quoting Mir (Reply 2):
If we were planning to attack Iran we'd be hearing a lot more of the "evil" talk to pump us up. A spur of the moment thing isn't likely to have much effect.

His Poodle here in the UK hasn't said anything that would suggest we are about to need a very good reason to invade Iran, and I doubt the US would want to go it alone with a war on Iran. Are there any ships that are meant to be leaving the gulf within the next few weeks, if so then they could just be swapping over perhaps?

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User currently offlineMatt D From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 9502 posts, RR: 47
Reply 7, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 3193 times:

A spur of the moment thing isn't likely to have much effect.

I'd beg to differ. You'd be surprised at how short sighted, REactive, forgetful, seeeing with tunnel vision, and knee-jerk most Americans are.

Such a strategy just might work because of that.


User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21530 posts, RR: 55
Reply 8, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 3193 times:

Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 6):
Are there any ships that are meant to be leaving the gulf within the next few weeks, if so then they could just be swapping over perhaps?

Either that, or they're just being sensible and sending some forces to the region in case of havoc, not to cause havoc.

-Mir



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User currently offlineArtieFufkin From United States of America, joined May 2006, 704 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 3191 times:

Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 6):
His Poodle here in the UK hasn't said anything that would suggest we are about to need a very good reason to invade Iran, and I doubt the US would want to go it alone with a war on Iran

No Blair is done going along with Bush. He's tarnished his legacy forever.

But the US would be able and willing to conduct a limited bombing campaign by themselves. I just don't know if it would be a political winner this close to election day.


User currently offlineMDorBust From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 3185 times:

Seriously, conspiracy theory guys... A carrier air group wouldn't be up to the task of taking on Iran alone. Especially operating in the narrow shallow water of the Gulf.

Odd how no one mentions Diego Garcia which has been in range of Iran for... oh, forever.


User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 962 posts, RR: 51
Reply 11, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 3178 times:

Well... Bush could always reveal the capture of Osama Bin Laden the day before the election.


As some expected they might do in 2002 and 2004  Wink

Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 5):
All it takes, is another Al Jazeera sponsored video by Bin Laden, Al Zawahiri, Amhadinejad or any other terrorist to shake the country back into reality.

Who on earth takes those videos seriously to the extent that it would shake their confidence in whoever they have decided to vote for?

No, a video would not suffice. But you can bet a moderately-sized terrorist attack like the Madrid train bombings would drasticly sway the results of the election.


User currently offlineJetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7405 posts, RR: 50
Reply 12, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 3142 times:
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Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 11):
Who on earth takes those videos seriously to the extent that it would shake their confidence in whoever they have decided to vote for?

Lot's of people take those seriously. In 2004, Kerry's numbers were up against Bush, until "Sheets" Bin Laden did his little campaign stump for Kerry, Bush's numbers bumped up in key swing states, turning the election in his direction. *I think Al Qaeda wants Republican victories in elections because they fear that Democrats will withdraw forces in Iraq and Afghanistan which would force Al Qaeda terrorists to invest more money in chasing us to the US.*



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User currently offlineTurbo7x7 From United States of America, joined exactly 9 years ago today! , 266 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 3117 times:

Such an October surprise would have been possible. . .

but I think recent events regarding North Korea has basically precluded such a stunt. Because of the new NK issue, such an action would now convince the electorate that the current Admin. is definitely reckless and needs to be checked.


User currently offlineDLPMMM From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 3589 posts, RR: 10
Reply 14, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 3091 times:

You guys are too funny.

I would join in, but I can't seem to find my tin foil hat.

You know that GWB is trying to infringe on our rights by reading our inner most thoughts!

There are also chemtrails being dumped into the sky by the CIA to control our minds.


User currently offlineSearpqx From Netherlands, joined Jun 2000, 4343 posts, RR: 10
Reply 15, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 3076 times:

Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 5):
All it takes, is another Al Jazeera sponsored video by Bin Laden, Al Zawahiri, Amhadinejad or any other terrorist to shake the country back into reality.

You may have a point, but I think the public mentality has changed on this. Every time they appear, now we're just reminded that they're still on the loose and causing trouble, despite five years of efforts to track them down.

Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 12):
In 2004, Kerry's numbers were up against Bush, until "Sheets" Bin Laden did his little campaign stump for Kerry, Bush's numbers bumped up in key swing states, turning the election in his direction.

Anyone remember the '80 election Carter vs. Reagan? Admittadly, Carter didn't stand a chance anyway, but the nail in the coffin was when Brezhnev publicly came out in support of Carter of Reagan. With friends like that. . .



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User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 3074 times:

While I wouldn't put anything by this Administration-I'm not as trusting of it as JetJack-this is probably just rotating one group out, and one in, as we've had a permanent carrier presence there since the early 80's.

If Bush did launch a war, it would, I believe, backfire terribly on the GOP, as it would be seen for what it was. With the DRPK being the more immediate threat it would be seen as a sham for votes, nothing more.


User currently offlineHalls120 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 3011 times:

Quoting ArtieFufkin (Thread starter):
Sadly, given Bush's record, it's not out of the realm of possibility for a bombing campaign to commence before the November elections. Timed to bolster his party's sagging election outlook.

Hey Artie. When the november elections have come and gone, and there has been no "October surprise," are you going to be a man and post that you were wrong, or are you going to be a weasel and go silent?


User currently offlineArtieFufkin From United States of America, joined May 2006, 704 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2992 times:

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 17):
Quoting ArtieFufkin (Thread starter):
Sadly, given Bush's record, it's not out of the realm of possibility for a bombing campaign to commence before the November elections. Timed to bolster his party's sagging election outlook.

Hey Artie. When the november elections have come and gone, and there has been no "October surprise," are you going to be a man and post that you were wrong, or are you going to be a weasel and go silent?

How about you just reread my post you just cut and pasted, and ponder the words I wrote "realm of possibility"?

As an example, " it's within the realm of possibility that halls120 is a morphodite."
This doesnt mean I believe that it is likely that Halls120 is a morphodite, only that it is possible.

Comprende?


User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2973 times:

Quoting ArtieFufkin (Thread starter):
armada

Actually Artie, they're called a Task Force. Quite common these days. The US Navy has maintained a presence in that region for quite some time . . .

Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 5):
This isn't news Artie.

It is to Artie - the only time he spams here is when he thinks he can get a good Bush/Republican bash going . . . then we all laugh, and press on as usual.

Quoting MDorBust (Reply 10):
Odd how no one mentions Diego Garcia which has been in range of Iran for... oh, forever.

Or the B-2s forward deployed to GUM from Whiteman . . .  scratchchin  Part of the 509th Bomb Wing STAYS forward deployed to GUM . . . standard practice since, ohhhhh, the late 1990s?

Quoting DLPMMM (Reply 14):
I would join in, but I can't seem to find my tin foil hat.

Check with ArtieFufkin, I'm sure he has two or three - he can probably loan you one . . .

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 16):
this is probably just rotating one group out, and one in, as we've had a permanent carrier presence there since the early 80's.

Yup . . . exactly. But ArtieSpammer can't stand to let a good bash slip past him.

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 17):
Hey Artie. When the november elections have come and gone, and there has been no "October surprise," are you going to be a man and post that you were wrong

 no 

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 17):
or are you going to be a weasel and go silent?

 checkmark 

Hey, Artie, when the 1st Cav Division redelpoys to the Big Sand Box, please, post that here, it should happen fairly soon. I like keeping up on current events and troop/task force rotations. You seem to be a fairly good source for that sort of thing.  sarcastic 


User currently offlineN174UA From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 994 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2960 times:

Quoting ArtieFufkin (Thread starter):
Sadly, given Bush's record, it's not out of the realm of possibility for a bombing campaign to commence before the November elections. Timed to bolster his party's sagging election outlook.



Quoting Matt D (Reply 7):
I'd beg to differ. You'd be surprised at how short sighted, REactive, forgetful, seeeing with tunnel vision, and knee-jerk most Americans are.

Such a strategy just might work because of that.

I don't buy it, and I have to agree with Falcon here. Voters are pissed...and not just Dems...independents and some GOP-ers like me. It will be seen as a desperate attempt for votes.

I don't know what would save the GOP at this point. Maybe it's better they lose anyway. Let the GOP take a back seat and find someone decent to run two years from now. And no, I don't mean Mitt Romney, either.


User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13040 posts, RR: 12
Reply 21, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2949 times:

Probably a bit of saber rattling, to make the point that the USA Navy and other forces will protect shipping through and in/out of that critical waterway from terror attacks. If terrorists were to attack a ship there, it could close off a lot of the oil from Iran and Iraq, jack up oil prices and a number of other following issues.

User currently offlineMCIGuy From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 1936 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2934 times:

Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 6):
His Poodle here in the UK

If I were British, I'd completely resent that remark. PM Blair does what he thinks is right. It just happens to coincide with Bush's view a lot of the time.

This task force is going to protect oil tankers. The cartoon in Tehran has threatened to interfere with shipping in the Indian Ocean and around the Strait Of Hormuz. The task force is going to make sure he doesn't.



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User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2925 times:

Quoting N174UA (Reply 21):
I don't know what would save the GOP at this point.

MAYBE the live capture of Osama, for the world to see. But even that may be seen as a staged event, to garner votes.

The voter is very cynical right about now-except for the wide-eyed apologists, who, no matter what side they're on, will always thing the sun is shining when it's shitting cats and dogs on them.


User currently offlineSolnabo From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 851 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (7 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2884 times:

His best October suprise would be:

"I quit asap, and I´ll take Rummy and Condie with me!!"

The world would be SO  relieved  ...

Micke//  santahat 



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25 MCIGuy : ...from the country that exported Yngwie Malmsteen.
26 Post contains images Solnabo : @MCIGuy Who the eff is Yngwie Malmsteen??? The name sound swedish. Dont you like him....your lover? Micke//
27 Post contains links and images MCIGuy : It's pretty sad when an "outsider" knows more about your country than you do. Yngwie Malmsteen
28 Post contains images Solnabo : OMG, a headbanging pudle rocker with guitar solo´s going on for hours! You can keep him, hate hardrockers! Gimme soul n disco anytime, then we can ta
29 Post contains images MCIGuy : I like lots of music, pretty much all, I try not to limit myself. Except country, I couldn't ever get wrapped around that. Not really fond of rap eit
30 Post contains images Solnabo : Rap music!?! Rap in swedish means burp, that´s exactly what the´re doing, gonna get flamed....*lol* Great exports to US: Greta Garbo Ingrid Bergman
31 BigOrange : You're right Blair does what he thinks is right, it's just never the right thing to do in anyone elses eyes apart from George Bush and his right wing
32 Jetjack74 : Yep, they are. Proud SAAB owner myself
33 Post contains links Jaysit : Here's that crazy coot Conrad Burns. He claims that Bush has a plan to win the war in Iraq. BUT HE'S NOT GOING TO TELL US!!!!!!! HELENA, Mont. (AP) --
34 Jetjack74 : Burns is fighting for his political life at the moment, but I think he's going to be unemployed come November. His seat is gone. He kinda reminds me
35 N174UA : Whatchooo talkin' 'bout, Mr. Jetjack74? Classic man...LOL. Sorry, I just couldn't let that one go.
36 Post contains images DavestanKSAN : You should have given us your list in a box and made us assemble it just kidding, IKEA is great. Dave
37 Post contains images MCIGuy : Absolutely! We all know that (Hill)Billy did all he could to stop terrorism 'cause he said so. He got really mad at Chris Wallace 'cause he'd never h
38 Post contains links and images FXramper : If Slick Willie can make it work so can Dubya! Maybe they'll send The Theodore Roosevelt CVN 71 and her attack group off the coast of Japan!
39 Jetjack74 : My first an only ship. 12/89-03/91. I still remeber the chow line all the way up to the 03 level. Looks like a weapons and munitions onload
40 Bushpilot : I dont think youll get much in the way of actual surprises. I think youll get some desperate scare tactics like the NFL stadium hoax that was the lead
41 Post contains images SFOMEX : Let me see. The war in Iraq, among other things, is causing what many predict will be the worst election result for the GOP in decades. The GOP needs
42 Post contains images Halls120 : Actually, tax cuts are not what we need right now. What we need is some control of government spending. BTW, Notice how the democrats aren't harping
43 MCIGuy : Iran is accusing us of "provoking a situation" now. I don't see that happening but I'm beginning to think they might just be crazy-brave enough to att
44 Post contains images Oldeuropean : On 31st of October he will declare the "mission" as accomblished again. Axel
45 Post contains images Scbriml : Blair is a has-been (or even never-was) politician who has lost all credibility in the UK (even more than GW Shrub!) His biggest wish was to be seen
46 Baroque : If Scbriml had not wanted it, we would be happy to use it down here for Howard. Remember Latham and his conga line of ---- modesty forbids, but a gre
47 Bushpilot : Yes the GOP is open to all unless you are...non-christian, a homosexual, without health insurance, not an immigrant, or poor.[Edited 2006-10-30 22:27
48 ArtieFufkin : Only a true idiot could not notice the (?) at the end the Title of this thread. Here I'll paste it. "Bush Prepares To Launch October Suprise? " Then,
49 DLPMMM : You are being disingenious Artie. You start a thread with about an "October Suprise?" with and state a few facts as possible evidence of your theory,
50 ANCFlyer : Artie, it's the 31st of October. Your favorite target, the Bush administration, hasn't started bombing anyone yet. Are you going to finally admit that
51 Post contains images Scbriml : I'm a lady! Want that one. Yeah but, no but.
52 JGPH1A : Don't forget the fly that attacked Nighthawk ! That could have been a pre-emptive strike prior to the main attack...
53 Post contains images Allstarflyer : Personally, I believe the GOP could use a butt-whipping at the polls next week. But after reading fluff (excuse the pun) like this and from others, it
54 ArtieFufkin : Nope. "in the offing" means likely to occur. I said no such thing. You right wing crybabies will just have continue with your make believe Artie argu
55 UALPHLCS : Artie I've NEVER seen you in any of your lame brained thread ever try to debate on points, even when you've been shown the facts.
56 ANCFlyer : It's a simple question really, Artie. There's nothing left to debate. Bottom line, you're left hung out to dry by your own vitriolic hatred of anythi
57 Miamiair : IMHO, I think that the cranial constipation has had its wires crossed with a fortune teller's crytal ball. It is entertaining at least to read the dri
58 DLPMMM : And although I am a Libertarian, I continue to speculate on your Pedophila actions. I heard that you often are seen talking to young boys. I have nev
59 Allstarflyer : Artie, you're the prototypical internet duck-and-run poster. You accuse others of being unable/unwilling to debate the main issues, yet you are unabl
60 NorthstarBoy : at this point an october surprise is not going to help the GOP, people are fed up with them, people want someone new in congress. as for the persian g
61 Pope : From the lead story in today's news cycle it seems to me that all the GOP had to do was let the Democrats speak. Way to go Senator Kerry! It seems tha
62 Baroque : More "computer says no", but then I am the only homosexual infidel in Tehran would work!
63 Post contains images Halls120 : Well, I'm back after a short business trip. Didn't get a chance to stay current with the news. Did we bomb anyone while I was gone?
64 Pope : The only bombs dropped destroyed Senator Kerry's 2008 Presidential run before he even announced. Call it friendly fire. Reports say he's already appl
65 Baroque : Oil price says "NO"! (For Key see reply 62)
66 Post contains images ANCFlyer : Ha Ha Ha . . . . I guess not. I have been commuting to BHM from ANC . . . for a day literally . . . and there's no breaking news that I'm aware of .
67 ANCFlyer : Heya, Artie . . . . It's now 11/3/06 . . . You know when I'm wrong, I say so. When DL021 is wrong, he says so. When Falcon is wrong, he says so. When
68 Halls120 : Maybe Artie can recycle his prediction....oops, possibility into a "November Suprise." When that fails, a "December Surprise." Or maybe a January....
69 Scamp : "And just to show you what a great guy I am, I'm going to blow my brains out on the Truman Balconey" Yay!
70 Miamiair : Might as well post it in the correct thread, as the Fluffer is chirping in other threads... Fluffer, where is the surprise? You should try being a for
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