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Harry Reid, Where Are All The Threads?  
User currently offlineGuitrThree From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2059 posts, RR: 8
Posted (8 years 2 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2398 times:

Just kinda wondering, with all of the repeating threads on Mark Foley, you know the ones, when a thread starts to die, a certain someone starts a new one just to keep it going...

Well anyway, I thought those intellectually honest with themselves would have started a thread on the Senate Minority leader, well, not to name names, but you know, the one who made millions on land that he didn't own anymore, oh, and that little fact of him paying Christmas bonuses to his Ritz Carlton staff with campaign funds...

Yea.. where are all the threads on this story? Humm...

[Edited 2006-10-19 05:43:13]


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User currently offlineJpetekYXMD80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 4391 posts, RR: 26
Reply 1, posted (8 years 2 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2391 times:

Why don't you be the one to start them, rather than being the one bitching about people not starting them?  Confused


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User currently offlineGuitrThree From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2059 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (8 years 2 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2381 times:

Quoting JpetekYXMD80 (Reply 1):
Why don't you be the one to start them, rather than being the one bitching about people not starting them?

Not bitching.. just pointing out the obvious..

oh, wait, I guess you didn't see it.. I'm sorry...

I was pointing out the glaring fact that the Republican Culture of Corruption that Nancy Pelosi is threatening to drain starts in the mirror..

oh wait.. yea..

Sorry.. Democrats never are corrupt. Sorry.. my fault.



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User currently offlineTedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 2 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2381 times:

It's not as salacious as child molesting. Throw in page, and put it as a breaking story on MSNBC and I'll be happy to start a thread  

[Edited 2006-10-19 05:50:47]

[Edited 2006-10-19 06:13:49]

User currently offlineJpetekYXMD80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 4391 posts, RR: 26
Reply 4, posted (8 years 2 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2372 times:

Quoting GuitrThree (Reply 2):

Sorry.. Democrats never are corrupt. Sorry.. my fault.

Yeah..... because I said that.......



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User currently offlineGuitrThree From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2059 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (8 years 2 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2367 times:

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 3):
It's not as salacious as child molesting.

Humm.

A little quiz for you Ted...

(1) Name the Child that Foley molested

(2) Not that it matters, because you CAN'T answer #1, but name the age that Child Molesting starts in DC

(3) Is IM'ing actually Child Molesting?

(4) MSNBC (Hint.. there is your answer) Which network is even MORE left than CNN? (No wonder you watch it)

(5) Is making Millions of dollars on a land deal that YOU DON'T OWN wrong, or at least a little suspicious?

(6) Is paying workers in your $750,000 hotel room using campaign funds illegal (unlike, well, let's say, IM'ing someone which isn't)?



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User currently offlineMDorBust From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (8 years 2 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2363 times:

Go here:

Countdown To Nov 7: 20 Corrupt GOPers (by ArtieFufkin Oct 18 2006 in Non Aviation)

I'm sure Artie will love to talk about it.


User currently offlineTedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (8 years 2 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2346 times:

Quoting GuitrThree (Reply 5):
(1) Name the Child that Foley molested

(2) Not that it matters, because you CAN'T answer #1, but name the age that Child Molesting starts in DC

(3) Is IM'ing actually Child Molesting?

Semantic  redflag  The question isn't if he broke any laws or not; it's a matter of which story is more interesting to the American public.

Quoting GuitrThree (Reply 5):
Which network is even MORE left than CNN?

Fox?  Wink MSNBC is a bit liberal, but saying it's more liberal then CNN is like saying all blacks or Asians look alike. I watch Fox too sometimes.. cute how they called Foley a Dem huh? Sounds very "fair and balanced" to me: NOT.

Quoting GuitrThree (Reply 5):
Is making Millions of dollars on a land deal that YOU DON'T OWN wrong, or at least a little suspicious?

It's absolutely wrong, but as you guys love to say about Frist Et al. Let's wait until there is a conviction huh?

Quoting GuitrThree (Reply 5):
Is paying workers in your $750,000 hotel room using campaign funds illegal (unlike, well, let's say, IM'ing someone which isn't)?

I don't know, I have read a few different things, none of which are credible, and I don't care. He's likely JUST another embezzling scumbag.

I thought this was a thread about STARTING thread, not an actual issues thread Guitr.. I guess you can't handle saying what you mean up front, and have to post a  redflag  thread start then ambush the responders you think are wrong.


User currently offlineAC773 From Canada, joined Nov 2005, 1730 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (8 years 2 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2346 times:

Quoting GuitrThree (Reply 5):
(1) Name the Child that Foley molested

Yes, because the last person who needs to be protected from media scrutiny and public humiliation is the page in question.  Yeah sure

Anyway if you really want a name, here's an article about more dirty IMs written by Foley: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15132294/



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User currently offlineHPLASOps From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (8 years 2 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2346 times:

Quoting GuitrThree (Reply 5):
(5) Is making Millions of dollars on a land deal that YOU DON'T OWN wrong, or at least a little suspicious?

Minor fault, I doubt he's the only congressman involved in such a situation. You're in for a major flamewar if you want to blame a Democrat for shady financial dealings without acknowledging Republican fault in this category. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black......

Quoting GuitrThree (Reply 5):
(3) Is IM'ing actually Child Molesting?

He asked an underage person to take off their clothes - argue all you want about the exact definition of "molesting," but that's not right.

Look, I live in Nevada, hate Harry Reid's guts - wish he would crawl in a hole and die (mostly because of how bad he's butchering this Yucca Mountain project). But if you're gonna harp on a politician because of suspect financial situation, well, you better get ready to harp on all of them - equally.


User currently offlineN174UA From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 994 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (8 years 2 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2339 times:

Quoting GuitrThree (Thread starter):
Well anyway, I thought those intellectually honest with themselves would have started a thread on the Senate Minority leader, well, not to name names, but you know, the one who made millions on land that he didn't own anymore, oh, and that little fact of him paying Christmas bonuses to his Ritz Carlton staff with campaign funds...

Yea.. where are all the threads on this story? Humm...

Politics 101, my friend:

Sen. Reid, however corrupt or not corrupt he may be, is exempt here for one reason, and one reason ONLY:

1. ) He is NOT the Senate Majority Leader

If #1 were not true, then he would be investigated, humiliated, and impeached faster than you could stick a $1 coin in a Las Vegas slot machine.


User currently offlineAndesSMF From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (8 years 2 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2303 times:

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 7):
Let's wait until there is a conviction huh?

Why? You and some people already convicted him for 'dirty thoughts'.

BTW, see the latest news on Foley

"After interviewing some 40 former congressional pages, FBI agents have yet to turn up any evidence of direct sexual contact between underage pages and former Congressman Mark Foley.

Instead, according to law enforcement officials and several former pages, a pattern is emerging of seduction by Foley that began when the boys were 16 and 17. In cases where actual sex followed, it was not until the boys were at the legal age of 18."

http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2006/10/fbi_yet_to_find.html

Sick puppy, but nothing illegal.


User currently offlineAloha73G From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2372 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (8 years 2 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2293 times:

How come 1 Republican Congressman who IM's and emails about sex with a minor page, and then promptly resigns and apologizes causes more outrage than the Democratic Congressmen (plural) who actually HAD SEX with underage pages? They didn't resign or apologize...they get pensions and applause.

How come a Republican Senator who uses a marginally offensive racial slur is front-page news, while a Democratic Senator who makes a comment about how you can't go into a 7-11 without seing Arabs is "just making a joke"?

How come a Republican Senator who makes mildly offensive comment praising another Senator at his 100th Birthday party is forced to resign his post as majority leader, while a Democratic Senator who actually was a member of the KKK is never asked to explain his past.

The answer to all of these questions is that the media supports the Democratic cause and therefore tries to ignore their misteps while at the same time making huge deals of similar Republican missteps. Its all about the point of view.

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User currently offlineGuitrThree From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2059 posts, RR: 8
Reply 13, posted (8 years 2 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2277 times:

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 7):
Semantic The question isn't if he broke any laws or not; it's a matter of which story is more interesting to the American public.

So breaking the law only applies if its tabloid material now? I personally find it very interesting to see the "Republican Culture of Corruption" being led by such GOP leaders as Reid, McKinney, and Jefferson.

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 7):
absolutely wrong, but as you guys love to say about Frist Et al. Let's wait until there is a conviction huh?

Oh... I'm ALL FOR waiting for a conviction. However, I tend to believe that when the person involved, in this case, Mr. Reid, actually goes back and AMENDS his Senate Ethics reporting to NOW reflect this, I do believe that is an admission of guilt. If one person, Mr. Reid, now goes back and repays his campaign fund, I do believe that also is an admission of guilt.

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 7):
I thought this was a thread about STARTING thread, not an actual issues thread Guitr.. I guess you can't handle saying what you mean up front, and have to post a thread start then ambush the responders you think are wrong.

Throw up all your little flags you want.. it's just when people get on a thread and throw around terms such as Child Molesting, when it never happened, or at least not even remotely proven yet, and say things like "lets wait for a conviction" when the person in question amended reports and paid back funds needs to be responded to, it would be foolish for me not to respond.
I'm not ambushing anything, when I'm pointing out facts.

The only true answer to my question of why there aren't any Harry Reid threads is because it makes Democrats look like the hypocrites they really are.



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User currently offlineTedTAce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (8 years 2 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2258 times:

Quoting GuitrThree (Reply 13):
I'm not ambushing anything, when I'm pointing out facts.

Your pointing out 'facts' as you choose to see them.

1+1=2 is a fact.

Whether or not any of these morons did anything illegal has yet to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt in a court of law.


User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13197 posts, RR: 15
Reply 15, posted (8 years 2 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2252 times:

With Reid, it's about money, parts may be legal but questionable, and all should be investigated. So long as one takes care of their constituents with enough pork $$$'s, protect local economic interests (casino business) or special issues (opposing the nuke dump in Nevada) they will accept a considerable amount of financial corruption. When it goes beyond a certain threshold, such as with DeLay and others, then have to face justice and/or departing from their jobs. When it involves sex or attempted sex with minors, especially over the last 10-15 years, we have zero tolerance. That may explain the difference.

User currently offlineBeefstew25 From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 675 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (8 years 2 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2241 times:

Guys---they are all dirtbags. Every single last one of them. My uncle-in-law is the mayor of the town I live in, and he is a dirtbag. It is in their nature. They don't run for office to help anyone out. They have a void of power they need to fill. I say off with all their heads. A revolution!


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User currently offlineArtieFufkin From United States of America, joined May 2006, 704 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (8 years 2 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2225 times:

Why don't you explain first what he is being charged with? Is there an investigation going on? Did he do jail time? Pay a penalty? What did he gain by his crime? Is there at least an investigation going on?


I smell desperation in the air. Research guys. You will find a few examples this session of true malfeasance on the part of Democrats. Nothing though, to compare to your boys.


User currently offlineBeefstew25 From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 675 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (8 years 2 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2207 times:

Quoting ArtieFufkin (Reply 17):
I smell desperation in the air. Research guys. You will find a few examples this session of true malfeasance on the part of Democrats. Nothing though, to compare to your boys.

Oh, so I have to play the Teddy Kennedy card?



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User currently offlineUALPHLCS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (8 years 2 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2188 times:

Quoting ArtieFufkin (Reply 17):
You will find a few examples this session of true malfeasance on the part of Democrats.

Because everyone keeps $90,000 in thier freezer.

Because everyone has land deals in Las Vegas with friends and relatives and forgets to report them. (OOOps)

Because everyone drives drunk and slams into things because of thier "medication"

Because everyone has sex with an intern. But some get semen on thier dress and some end up dead in Washington Parks. (Gary Condit Democrat CA, in case you forgot.)

Because He also forgets David Giles democrat Congressman, convicted in 2000 of Child Rape.

Because only Republicans use dirty trick he forgets Sowande Ajumoke Omokunde - Democrat - the son of newly elected U.S. Rep. Gwen Moore, was booked on charges of criminal damage to property for allegedly slashing tires on 20 vans and cars rented by the Republican Party for use in Election Day voter turnout efforts. Eventhough Democrats ALWAYS want to get out the vote.

Here's one I had to do a little research for (just like Artie wanted)

Melvin Jay Reynolds (b. 1952) - U.S. Representative from Illinois from 1993 to 1995. In August 1994, he was indicted for having sex with a 16-year-old campaign volunteer. Despite the charges, he continued his campaign and was re-elected in November 1994. Reynolds initially denied the charges, which he claimed were racially motivated. On August 22, 1995 he was convicted on 12 counts of sexual assault, obstruction of justice and solicitation of child pornography.

Reynolds was sentenced to five years in prison and expected to be released in 1998. However, in April 1997, he was convicted on 15 unrelated counts of bank fraud and lying to SEC investigators. These charges resulted in an additional sentence of 78 months in federal prison. Reynolds served all of his first sentence and served forty-two months in prison for the later charges. At that point, U.S. President Bill Clinton commuted the sentence for bank fraud. As a result, Reynolds was released from prison and served the remaining time in a half way house. (Revised: 10-04-06)


User currently offlineGuitrThree From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2059 posts, RR: 8
Reply 20, posted (8 years 2 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2171 times:

Quoting ArtieFufkin (Reply 17):
What did he gain by his crime?

Not much... just a little tax free money... oh, and paying his employees thru funds not of his own.. keeping his wallet nice and fat.

Quoting ArtieFufkin (Reply 17):
You will find a few examples this session of true malfeasance on the part of Democrats. Nothing though, to compare to your boys.

Which is the point of this thread. If you actually DO look, you will find just about the same on both sides.


Take Harold Ford Jr., running for Senate here in Tennessee.

His Uncle, John Ford, just last year was lead out of the TN state capital, in Handcuffs for accepting bribes, about $60,000 if I remember. John didn't live in his district, either, he listed the family business, a funeral home, as his residence. Also, just last year, Harold's Aunt, Ophelia, won the seat vacated by John Ford. Problem? DEAD PEOPLE voted in that election. 12 in fact were proven to be dead. Also, in TN, when you vote, you sign a card and it is put in order on a tablet. This way they can tell who voted when. When those votes were looked at, well, all those DEAD PEOPLE just happened to vote for Mrs. Ford. Now. Do you remember what the Ford Family did for a living besides politics? Oh yea.. something about dead people.

The Senate rightfully kicked out Ophelia. A new election for that seat is happening in Nov.

My bet is not many of you Democrat supporting libs ever heard of this, huh? I bet it's not going to make one cent of difference to you wanting Ford to win over Corker. That speaks volumes of your ability to seek out right from wrong, and might explain why a lot of Democrats support rights for Terrorists, Cut and Run policies, and support people like Cindy Sheehan who is an obvious hater of this country.

Now, again, I'm not saying all Republicans are good and all Democrats are bad. They both have their bad apples. I'm just using this tread to point out the difference in the perception between the two.

And I for one, could care the hell less what Mark Foley did in Florida when it comes to who I'm voting for in TN. Foley did NOTHING to influence the two candidates here, Ford nor Bob Corker.

Those who continue to push the Foley thing as a reason not to vote Republican are lost. Those who continue to think that the Democrats are all Angels compared to the Republicans, are lost. Those that are lost, never win.



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User currently offlineAirCop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (8 years 2 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 2160 times:

Quoting GuitrThree (Reply 20):
Those who continue to push the Foley thing as a reason not to vote Republican are lost. Those who continue to think that the Democrats are all Angels compared to the Republicans, are lost. Those that are lost, never win.

As far as I'm concern the Foley incident itself isn't going to effect the vote across the country, but more likely the coverup or failure to act by the House leadership when they were made aware of the problem; which is the same leadership that continued to support like the likes of Ney and Duncan until they finally pled gulity will cause more concern with the voters.


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