VHVXB From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 5529 posts, RR: 16 Posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2270 times:
Quote: SEOUL: North Korean leader Kim Jong-il expressed regret about his country's nuclear test to a Chinese delegation and said Pyongyang would return to nuclear talks if Washington backed off from its financial sanctions, a South Korean newspaper reported today.
"If the US makes a concession to some degree, we will also make a concession to some degree, whether it be bilateral talks or six-party talks," Kim was quoted as telling a Chinese envoy, the mass-circulation Chosun Ilbo reported, citing a diplomatic source in China.
Kim told the Chinese delegation that "he is sorry about the nuclear test," the newspaper reported
Windshear From Denmark, joined Mar 2000, 2362 posts, RR: 10
Reply 3, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2252 times:
Actually I am 50/50 on this. I just read an in-depth article in Newsweek and it seems NK wants to negotiate, as their main concern (manic concern) is for their own existence. Guaranteeing their existence and showing NK "respect" was the Clinton administration's strategy, and it got them far.
I bet you China beat the crap out of them, in a diplomatic tone of course
I really think the US must initiate a new strategy, not a full concession, but at least a shift in attitude.
I would how ever also remind you that Iran is watching, and this makes the room for error very small. Foreign policy is difficult
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He might regret the outcome of the test, whether it's because the Chinese are cussing him out, whether it's the Security Council's decision or whether it's the poor performance of the North Korean bomb, but I doubt he truly regrets having pressed the button.
So no, I don't believe a word he says, and I hope that nobody dealing with him will be as naive as Neville C. was in 1938 when dealing with a certain Mr Hitler.
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KaiGywer From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 12316 posts, RR: 33
Reply 9, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2180 times:
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Without being an expert by any means, I think the US could take the first step and easen the sanctions. Of course if he screws up, back come the sanctions. The same goes for Cuba in my mind, ease the sanctions here as well. Both of these countries could benefit greatly from eased sanctions, and by doing this, the US might create new friends/allies.
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PlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 12012 posts, RR: 59
Reply 11, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2162 times:
I think he's trying to work the international political scene so to speak. He's gone and done what he wants by exploding the bomb - to show to the people of North Korea that he is still their all powerful leader who they should all respect, and now he's going to try and get back in the good books of the rest of the world by back peddling a little.
It doesn't matter if he is seen as weak by the world, the people in North Korea who really need to see that he is in fact weak are not allowed to because of news and media censorship, so its almost a win win situation for him, if he handles it carefully which he seems to be doing.
I also find it very hard to believe that China did not know that the nuclear test was going to take place.
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Reply 14, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2138 times:
Quoting VHVXB (Thread starter): Kim told the Chinese delegation that "he is sorry about the nuclear test," the newspaper reported
About as sorry as I was the first time I got laid...
Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 12): Which then begs the questions... If we can't beat him with sanctions, why not attempt a partnership. Then he can have as many nukes as he wants for all I care, as he won't use them on us.
The problem is that North Korea cannot allow itself to permit South Korea to remain independent once they broadcast to their own people that they have the Bomb and can stand toe to toe with the US.
This is their version of history (taken from the DPRK tourism website)
I'll leave you to browse the rest at http://www.korea-dpr.com/menu2.htm , but my point is that their people (including those in positions of power in the military) have been brainwashed that South Korea is an aboration that must be eliminated as soon as the imperialist yankees can be made to stop supporting it. They simply will not accept making peace when they have nukes - it would be tolerating the intolerable.
BHXFAOTIPYYC From Portugal, joined Jun 2005, 1644 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2137 times:
Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 12): Then he can have as many nukes as he wants for all I care, as he won't use them on us.
And you'd be willing to take his word on that?
Quoting Windshear (Reply 3): Actually I am 50/50 on this. I just read an in-depth article in Newsweek and it seems NK wants to negotiate, as their main concern (manic concern) is for their own existence. Guaranteeing their existence and showing NK "respect" was the Clinton administration's strategy, and it got them far.
I was reading that last night. Without a doubt I would say that Kim Jung Ill's survival is the only thing on his mind. The Chinese had a "quiet word" in his ear for sure. They will not tolerate N. Korea misbehaving, and Kim knows that. I'm sure this whole nuclear issue is just a ploy to get more aid to prop up his regime.
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LTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13624 posts, RR: 17
Reply 21, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 2052 times:
Sure he is sorry, like a drunk is the morning after and saying they won't drink again...until a few hours later.
We have to find some balanced way, especially with the cooperation of China to pressure North Korea's 'deal leader' into giving up his nuke program. Kim Jong Ill ought to worry about feeding his people, rather than working on a nuke program as food will more likely keep the loyalty of his people.
Searpqx From Netherlands, joined Jun 2000, 4346 posts, RR: 9
Reply 22, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 1976 times:
Quoting VHVXB (Thread starter): What do you think? Should the world take this seriously or will we just see more tests to come from the N koreans?
Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 5): I'm sure Ole Krazy Kim got his penis smacked for this - hard - by the Chinese Gov't. Now he's almost backpeddling like a Duck coming in to Decoys.
Like a couple of others have mentioned, he's not sorry for the test, but I bet he's very sorry he's pissed the Chinese off. He completely miscalculated their reaction and now he's playing nice to calm them down. I also think he's a little taken aback by the world reaction - he was assuming he'd be treated like Iran, endless discussions but no real action.
My guess is he's very concerned about the Chinese reaction and will do whatever it takes (the apology, especially in Eastern culture, is a very big deal, even if its aimed at China) to mollify them. He also now knows what their limits are. So, I fully expect him to abide by no more tests, but he will continue to develop his capabilities in secrets (since he got away with that before). As long as the Chinese keep the current line, so will he.
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LTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 14097 posts, RR: 47
Reply 23, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 1944 times:
Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 5): What will the Gov'ts of Japan and South Korea do now?
Slightly OT, but I saw a documentary once about Japan and some of their citizens being abducted by the DPRK, where the Japanese people were demanding that the abductees were to be allowed to return to Japan. Some people were even screaming for a much tougher Japan and even for their own nuclear bomb.
Given the sensitivity of the abductions of Japanese citizens by the DPRK in their foreign and domestic affairs, I wonder how the Japanese people have reacted to Krazy Kim's nuke test and if their anger on this will have a serious effect on Japanese defence and domestic politics.
Change the "ask" with "demand". China's role in this matter will be most critical. If they can continue to keep pressure on the DPRK regarding these tests, then perhaps they PRC can even persuade them out of the nuclear programme. However, this is highly unlikely IMO. Eventually Krazy Kim might dismiss the PRC as an ally of the US.